RE: [leaf-user] CISCO 1600 Router Replacment
Sorry to respond to my own message, but I wanted to correct a typo that Chris might be confused by. See below. At 10:52 PM 8/13/2004 -0700, Ray Olszewski wrote: Chris -- I don't have your prior messages, so I can't refer back to your routing table from the Cisco. Without it, I can give you only a partial answer to your questions. See below. At 12:25 PM 8/14/2004 +0800, Chris Lee wrote: Dear Ray, Many thanks for your details reply. Let discuss the NAT? part first. Ethernet0 10.0.108.254/255.255.255.0 203.198.77.78/255.255.240 Ethernet1 172.23.76.154/255.255.255.252 I try to use uClibc 2.2RC1, but I don't know how to setup the eth0 (WAN) and eth1 (LAN) for about settings at /etc/network/interfaces. Assume leaf's eth0 is CISCO Ehernet1 and eth1 is Ethernet0 auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 172.23.76.15_ ?? presumably .154, if it is to replace the Cisco. netmask 255.255.255.252 gateway 172.23.76.15_ ?? Well, since the netmask is /30, the only other available host address is .153 (.162 is the network address, .155 the broadcast address). So IF (big IF) this netwotk contains your default gateway, that must be its address. Meant to write that .152 (not .162) is the network address. But check the Cisco's routing table. As I recall, it had a VPN interface of some sort, and the default gateway listed in the routing table was on that interface, not on Ethernet1. So as I (and others) have said before, you have to find out from your ISP what is going on with that interface. autho eth1 That;s a typo. Should read auto. address 203.198.77.7_ ?? Presumably .78, if the intent is for this router to replace the CIsco. netmask 255.255.255.240 gateway 203.198.77.7_ ?? This is your internal interface, so it has no gateway entry. A gateway is a default route ... where the router should direct any traffic that it does not have a direct route to. Only one interface has a gateway entry under normal circumstances. Any Hints? If you plan also to have the router handle (route or NAT) the 10.0.108.254/255.255.255.0 network, you'll net an eth0 entry for that as well. Look in the Shorewall guides for help in assigning multiple IP addresses to an interface. Regards, Chris Lee --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] CISCO 1600 Router Replacment
Dear Ray, Many thanks for your details reply. Let discuss the NAT? part first. Ethernet0 10.0.108.254/255.255.255.0 203.198.77.78/255.255.240 Ethernet1 172.23.76.154/255.255.255.252 I try to use uClibc 2.2RC1, but I don't know how to setup the eth0 (WAN) and eth1 (LAN) for about settings at /etc/network/interfaces. Assume leaf's eth0 is CISCO Ehernet1 and eth1 is Ethernet0 auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 172.23.76.15_ ?? netmask 255.255.255.252 gateway 172.23.76.15_ ?? autho eth1 address 203.198.77.7_ ?? netmask 255.255.255.240 gateway 203.198.77.7_ ?? Any Hints? Regards, Chris Lee --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] CISCO 1600 Router Replacment
Chris -- I don't have your prior messages, so I can't refer back to your routing table from the Cisco. Without it, I can give you only a partial answer to your questions. See below. At 12:25 PM 8/14/2004 +0800, Chris Lee wrote: Dear Ray, Many thanks for your details reply. Let discuss the NAT? part first. Ethernet0 10.0.108.254/255.255.255.0 203.198.77.78/255.255.240 Ethernet1 172.23.76.154/255.255.255.252 I try to use uClibc 2.2RC1, but I don't know how to setup the eth0 (WAN) and eth1 (LAN) for about settings at /etc/network/interfaces. Assume leaf's eth0 is CISCO Ehernet1 and eth1 is Ethernet0 auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 172.23.76.15_ ?? presumably .154, if it is to replace the Cisco. netmask 255.255.255.252 gateway 172.23.76.15_ ?? Well, since the netmask is /30, the only other available host address is .153 (.162 is the network address, .155 the broadcast address). So IF (big IF) this netwotk contains your default gateway, that must be its address. But check the Cisco's routing table. As I recall, it had a VPN interface of some sort, and the default gateway listed in the routing table was on that interface, not on Ethernet1. So as I (and others) have said before, you have to find out from your ISP what is going on with that interface. autho eth1 That;s a typo. Should read auto. address 203.198.77.7_ ?? Presumably .78, if the intent is for this router to replace the CIsco. netmask 255.255.255.240 gateway 203.198.77.7_ ?? This is your internal interface, so it has no gateway entry. A gateway is a default route ... where the router should direct any traffic that it does not have a direct route to. Only one interface has a gateway entry under normal circumstances. Any Hints? If you plan also to have the router handle (route or NAT) the 10.0.108.254/255.255.255.0 network, you'll net an eth0 entry for that as well. Look in the Shorewall guides for help in assigning multiple IP addresses to an interface. Regards, Chris Lee --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] CISCO 1600 Router Replacment
Dear Ray, Thanks for your reply. Here is the existing setup Internet -- NetDSL Cable Modem -- CISCO Router -- Intranet What I want is: Internet -- NetDSL Cable Modem -- leaf -- Intranet There is two port (DSL, Ethernet) for ARESCOM NetDSL 1000 Cable Modem, which I think work like this: ISP -- DSL port -- NetDSL -- Ethernet -- CISCO 1605 Ethernet port 1 For CISCO, it only use two port, Ethernet Port 1 (From NetDSL) and Ethernet Port 0 to Internat Hub. As I don't know how to config CISCO, I use Getif to peek the config via SNMP. For Interface, it show: descr. ip address Ethernet0 10.0.108.254/255.255.255.0 203.198.77.78/255.255.240 Ethernet1 172.23.76.154/255.255.255.252 Tunnel5 192.168.79.94/255.255.255.252 I think Ehternet1 is the WAN IP address?? And don't know what is Tunnel5? For Address: int.address/mask 1 10.0.108.254/255.255.255.0 5 172.23.76.154/255.255.255.252 4 192.168.79.94/255.255.255.252 1 203.198.77.78/255.255.255.240 * Don't know what int. column stand for? For Routing Table: int.dest. next hopmasktype proto age 4 0.0.0.0 192.168.79.94 0.0.0.0 direct local 0 1 10.0.108.0 203.198.77.78 255.255.255.0 direct local 0 0 172.16.0.0 172.23.76.153 255.240.0.0 indirect local 10 0 172.22.254.49 172.23.76.153 255.255.255.255 indirect local 11 2 172.23.76.152 172.23.76.154 255.255.255.252 direct local 0 4 192.168.79.92 192.168.79.94 255.255.255.252 direct local 0 1 203.198.77.64 203.198.77.78 255.255.255.240 direct local 0 First I want leaf to peform normat NAT router for range of internet ip address Then, I want to setup SNMP to collect networking perform per ip Finally, setup QOS for each ip. It is possible? Regards, Chris Lee --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] CISCO 1600 Router Replacment
hi Chris, List regarding the SNMP stuff, I am afraid I cannot answer. I don't know if leaf is capable of doing this. (might be) for what is of NAT'ing the LAN, it is quite easy. and for QoS, you wouldn't normaly have to worry about this. Shorewall can do this (check shorewall.net for more details) or should I say there are some parameters in shorewall relating to QoS. Tom E is the best to reply on that one. Cheers Livio --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] CISCO 1600 Router Replacment
Chris Lee wrote: As I don't know how to config CISCO, I use Getif to peek the config via SNMP. For Interface, it show: descr. ip address Ethernet0 10.0.108.254/255.255.255.0 203.198.77.78/255.255.240 Ethernet1 172.23.76.154/255.255.255.252 Tunnel5 192.168.79.94/255.255.255.252 I think Ehternet1 is the WAN IP address?? And don't know what is Tunnel5? Woopsie. Tunnel5 is your default gateway interface. It's either an IPSec or PPTP tunnel from your location back you your ISP, and that means a couple of things: 1. Your ISP is likely to get grouchy if they don't own the system connecting to them via the tunnel; 2. You'll need the information your ISP is using to form the tunnel, obtainable probably from the ISP only, especially if you're not familiar with configuring a Cisco. First I want leaf to peform normat NAT router for range of internet ip address Then, I want to setup SNMP to collect networking perform per ip Finally, setup QOS for each ip. It is possible? It is, but is there any reason that it HAS to replace the Cisco? LEAF would work quite well sitting right behind the Cisco, and while it might be a bit redundant, at least you wouldn't have to worry about your ISP wanting access to your firewall - something nearly guaranteed to mess it up. You might get lucky and have a good ISP who would be willing to work with you on the subject, so it can't hurt to ask them - you'd need to get all the tunnel info anyhow - but from personal experience, most commercial internet companies are really leery of letting their customers control whatever the inbound side of the line is connected to, simply because it makes their lives far harder. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] CISCO 1600 Router Replacment
Thanks for the additional details, Chris. As you'll see in my comments below, you don't need LEAF to do everything the Cisco can do. What you need is much easier to achieve than some of us had guessed based on your earlier, more general question. Whether LEAF (or any Linux-based routing) is a good choice for this setting, though, remains uncertain, due to some residual vagueness in your report. At 03:54 PM 8/12/2004 +0800, Chris Lee wrote: Dear Ray, Thanks for your reply. Here is the existing setup Internet -- NetDSL Cable Modem -- CISCO Router -- Intranet What I want is: Internet -- NetDSL Cable Modem -- leaf -- Intranet There is two port (DSL, Ethernet) for ARESCOM NetDSL 1000 Cable Modem, which I think work like this: ISP -- DSL port -- NetDSL -- Ethernet -- CISCO 1605 Ethernet port 1 For CISCO, it only use two port, Ethernet Port 1 (From NetDSL) and Ethernet Port 0 to Internat Hub. OK. This is good. You are not using any of the more esoteric interface possibilities available with the 1600 series (ISDN, DS1), so the concerns raised in yesterday's messages are irrelevant to your actual needs. At the physical interface level, the router exchange should be a straight swap. As I don't know how to config CISCO, I use Getif to peek the config via SNMP. Is SNMP important to your requirements? I believe LEAF *can* provide SNMP (I know Linux can, but I don't recall if the required stuff has been packaged for, for example, Beting-uClibc). But SNMP is not a particular strength of Linux or LEAF. For Interface, it show: descr. ip address Ethernet0 10.0.108.254/255.255.255.0 203.198.77.78/255.255.240 Ethernet1 172.23.76.154/255.255.255.252 Tunnel5 192.168.79.94/255.255.255.252 I think Ethernet1 is the WAN IP address?? And don't know what is Tunnel5? From examination of your routing table below, I'd infer that A. Your LAN uses two address ranges: 10.0.108.0/24 -- a private range that needs to be NAT'd 203.198.77.78/27 -- a public range that can be routed directly (without NAT) B. Your physical external network is 172.23.76.152/30. I suspect that this communicates with the DSL modem, which probably has IP address 172.23.76.153. It in turn routes to the external private address range 172.16.0.0/20, whcih you ISP probably uses for some internal purposes. C. Your true external connection (the one with your default gateway) is the Tunnel1 interface. From its name, I'd guess it is some sort of VPN. There are many standards for VPNs, and there is no way to know if you can use LEAF, or even Linux in any form, with yours until you find out what sort of VPN this is. You find this out from your ISP. Also note that this true external connection is a private-range address. Your ISP is doing something special with this ... either upstream NAT'ing, though your use of a real /28 internal network makes this unlikely, or some non-standard routing ... to let it connect to the Internet. Before you switch routers, you simply must get your ISP to explain what it is doing here. For Address: int.address/mask 1 10.0.108.254/255.255.255.0 5 172.23.76.154/255.255.255.252 4 192.168.79.94/255.255.255.252 1 203.198.77.78/255.255.255.240 * Don't know what int. column stand for? For Routing Table: int.dest. next hopmasktype proto age 4 0.0.0.0 192.168.79.94 0.0.0.0 direct local 0 1 10.0.108.0 203.198.77.78 255.255.255.0 direct local 0 0 172.16.0.0 172.23.76.153 255.240.0.0 indirect local 10 0 172.22.254.49 172.23.76.153 255.255.255.255 indirect local 11 2 172.23.76.152 172.23.76.154 255.255.255.252 direct local 0 4 192.168.79.92 192.168.79.94 255.255.255.252 direct local 0 1 203.198.77.64 203.198.77.78 255.255.255.240 direct local 0 First I want leaf to peform normat NAT router for range of internet ip address No problem. This is one of the main things stock LEAF, any variant, does, Then, I want to setup SNMP to collect networking perform per ip As I said above, SNMP support is not s strength of Linux. It can be done, and probably some LEAF variants support SNMP. But collect networking perform per ip is a wee bit vague as to details, so I can't say how easy it would be to do what you actually want (or to replicate whatever the Cisco is now doing for you). Finally, setup QOS for each ip. Some LEAF variants support this in some fashions. Again, you'll want to be a bit more specific about what you hope to accomplish (or what you're doing now, if the Cisco does this) to get good feedback. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink
RE: [leaf-user] CISCO 1600 Router Replacment
Dear Mohan, As far as I can see, the CISCO only connect to the ARESCOM NetDSL 1000 Cable Modem via Ethernetk, so I think T1/E1 or Sync Serial is not a problem (between what is sync serial?). However I don't know how to setup the network interface card setting. There is a label on top of CISCO marked down: WAN IP: 172.23.76.154 LAN: 203.198.77.78 / 255.255.255.240 1. How do I define WAN setting? 172.23.76.154/255.255.255.255? how about the default gateway? 2. How do I define LAN setting for an range of IP? Many thanks in advance. Regards, Chris Lee -Original Message- From: S Mohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:45 AM To: 'Chris Lee'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [leaf-user] CISCO 1600 Router Replacment It can replace and perform much better except for interface support. Supporting T1/E1 or Sync serial etc on LEAF is not an easy proposition. IMHO, it is more an issue of driver support than anything else. An ideal situation would be to have the 1600 and the LEAF system behind it for firewalling, VPN etc. Regards Mohan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Lee Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 7:47 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [leaf-user] CISCO 1600 Router Replacment Hi, My company using CISCO 1603 Router http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps214/ps218/ provided by ISP for internet access. Question: Is it possible use leaf to replace all the function for that router? Regards, Chris Lee --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 -- -- leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] CISCO 1600 Router Replacment
Hello Chris, By the look of it, you will replace the Cisco equipment ;-) Regarding the WAN IP, I understand that what is marked is your public IP address, to get Leaf working in your environment you will probably have to set its WAN interface to 172.23.76.154. I suspect your gateway will show if you do a traceroute. As to what to use for DNS, it should all be visible under the Cisco interface(never seen those, I am using Leaf) Then you will have to setup the LAN on the leaf box. I believe the recent versions use DHCP on the LAN interface, so the IP addresses will be set automaticaly. If you want to use the same LAN IP/Range, you could configure the dhcp server on the leaf box. Cheers and enjoy Leaf Livio _DOT Ravetto DOT_ org Chris Lee wrote: Dear Mohan, As far as I can see, the CISCO only connect to the ARESCOM NetDSL 1000 Cable Modem via Ethernetk, so I think T1/E1 or Sync Serial is not a problem (between what is sync serial?). However I don't know how to setup the network interface card setting. There is a label on top of CISCO marked down: WAN IP: 172.23.76.154 LAN: 203.198.77.78 / 255.255.255.240 1. How do I define WAN setting? 172.23.76.154/255.255.255.255? how about the default gateway? 2. How do I define LAN setting for an range of IP? Many thanks in advance. Regards, Chris Lee --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] CISCO 1600 Router Replacment
At 10:16 AM 8/11/2004 +0800, Chris Lee wrote: Hi, My company using CISCO 1603 Router http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps214/ps218/ provided by ISP for internet access. Question: Is it possible use leaf to replace all the function for that router? I've been reading the responses in this thread. While I don't want to be a wet blanket or otherwise discourage use of LEAF routers, someone should note that Cisco routers do a lot of things, and few (none?) of us here are truly expert in their use. It is unlikely that a LEAF router can replace all the function of the 1603. It is likely, though, that a LEAF router can replace the functionality that you actually use ... at least if the interface issue is addressed successfully. But to confirm that, you really do have to describe your setup in more detail. And please do understand that the interface issue that has been raised is a big deal. ISDN support in Linux, LEAF included, is particularly weak, and support for direct connections to DS1 or similar service isn't great (in particular, the hardware is expensive). LEAF is at its best when its external connection uses a NIC to connect to some external hardware, or when it handles a standard dial-up connection. For more on this, you might want to tell us what interface your external connection now uses, and if you plan to change that as part of the contemplated change of router. Then you might get some feedback from one of the (relatively few, I think) people here who use whatever external connection you have, feedback that will let you make a realistic judgment about the practicailty of the swap (including an estimation of its cost). --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] CISCO 1600 Router Replacment
It can replace and perform much better except for interface support. Supporting T1/E1 or Sync serial etc on LEAF is not an easy proposition. IMHO, it is more an issue of driver support than anything else. An ideal situation would be to have the 1600 and the LEAF system behind it for firewalling, VPN etc. Regards Mohan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Lee Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 7:47 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [leaf-user] CISCO 1600 Router Replacment Hi, My company using CISCO 1603 Router http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps214/ps218/ provided by ISP for internet access. Question: Is it possible use leaf to replace all the function for that router? Regards, Chris Lee --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 -- -- leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
