Re: List subject prefix?

2016-05-05 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2016-05-05 at 10:23 +0300, Hannu Nyman wrote:
> On 5.5.2016 9:59, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > It's the Mailman default, but it is deliberately disabled on this list
> > (as on many other technical lists where the members are expected to be
> > able to drive their email client properly).
> 
> That sounds pretty funny on 2010s when most of us use multiple devices to 
> read mail. The list prefix makes it easier to quickly identify the general 
> nature of a message on tablet/phone screen

Each of us has different use cases, of course. But for me, having it in
a different folder is even easier — since most of the time when I'm not
at a real computer, I don't even want to *see* the list traffic — and
when I'm out of the country, I *certainly* don't want to pay roaming
data rates for downloading it!

It can go into one of the dozens of mailing list folders. On the *rare* 
occasion that I actually do want to look at list traffic from a mobile device, 
it's hardly difficult to switch to that folder (after I make sure I find wifi).

> Sure, we all can tinker with the desktop mail client classification rules, 
> but not all mobile apps are that well adjustable. A short list prefix would 
> make life more easy.

Yeah, filtering on the *client* side only ever made sense in the POP3
days — where you had only one mail client, on only one machine. You
really do want the *server* to put it in the right place on delivery,
not mess around with it afterwards.

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Re: List subject prefix?

2016-05-05 Thread Hannu Nyman

On 5.5.2016 9:59, David Woodhouse wrote:

It's the Mailman default, but it is deliberately disabled on this list
(as on many other technical lists where the members are expected to be
able to drive their email client properly).


That sounds pretty funny on 2010s when most of us use multiple devices to 
read mail. The list prefix makes it easier to quickly identify the general 
nature of a message on tablet/phone screen


Sure, we all can tinker with the desktop mail client classification rules, 
but not all mobile apps are that well adjustable. A short list prefix would 
make life more easy.



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Re: List subject prefix?

2016-05-05 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2016-05-04 at 17:31 -0400, Aaron Z wrote:
> On many (most?) mailing lists, there is a prefix on all subjects
> which has the list name (such as [OpenWRT-Devel])
> Can this prefix be added for this list (or is that an option that I
> missed when I signed up)?

It's the Mailman default, but it is deliberately disabled on this list
(as on many other technical lists where the members are expected to be
able to drive their email client properly).

There are much better things to filter list traffic on — the SMTP
reverse-path (often in a Return-Path: header after delivery) is most
reliable, or the various standard List-* headers that the list adds,
which kind of work for most of the common cases.

If you really want list traffic in your inbox instead of a separate
folder, and you want to mark it differently, then you should be able to
do that locally instead of polluting the Subject header with redundant
information that obscures the *real* subject that the sender typed, for
everyone.

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