Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
A misconception that Batty didn’t contribute immensely going forward. A
refusal to surrender the ball, yes - but did play positively.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 at 21:40, Ed Morrish wrote:
> Isn't Batty one of the most accurate passers of the ball in Premier
> League history?
>
> Ed.
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 at 20:52, Jim Moran wrote:
> >
> > Can’t read into stats in isolation. If every pass goes backwards and
> meets
> > the man but results in nothing… literally pointless.
> >
> > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 at 20:38, Mark wrote:
> >
> > > I think Jaap Stam’s Reading were the highest ever pass completion.
> > > Cheers
> > > Mark
> > > El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
> > > Leeds United
> > > Chicago Fire
> > >
> > > From: Leedslist on behalf of Nigel
> Sykes <
> > > ni...@sykesonline.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:32:39 PM
> > > To: 'Leeds List'
> > > Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
> > >
> > > You can’t base everything on stats, but for what it’s worth our stats
> show
> > > that our pass accuracy over the past several years is pretty stable at
> > > around 74%. Our average in the first two games was 73.6%, so
> basically the
> > > same. No stats for last night, but I suspect it would be slightly
> less, if
> > > anything.
> > >
> > > For comparison, the better Premier League teams generally run well into
> > > the 80’s. I suspect that Bielsa will want us to at least improve on
> > > previous seasons.
> > >
> > > Nigel
> > > (the Dublin one)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Nicholas Armit [mailto:arm...@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: 15 August 2018 17:38
> > > To: 'Leeds List'; Nigel Sykes
> > > Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Didn't see yesterday's game much but from the first two games I thought
> > > our passing has been excellent. Way ahead of previous years.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 5:49:21 AM EDT, Nigel Sykes <
> > > ni...@sykesonline.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yep - pretty much totally agree.
> > >
> > > I thought we looked fairly good in the first half, though without
> quite as
> > > much 'zip' as in the previous 2 games. In the 2nd half though, the
> 'zip'
> > > had gone and I commented that it was much more like watching us last
> > > season. It was a pretty even 2nd half and could have easily ended in
> > > penalties.
> > >
> > > Apart from the lower energy of the B-team, the biggest problem this
> season
> > > is passing. We got away with the passes to the opposition in the
> first two
> > > games because we hustled so much to get the ball back. But last night
> the
> > > passing was even worse and the hustle wasn't enough to balance it out.
> > >
> > > Nigel
> > > (the Dublin one)
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
> > > {broken-address} Richard Walker
> > > Sent: 15 August 2018 09:30
> > > To: Leeds List
> > > Subject: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
> > >
> > > Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We
> > > started like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I
> thought we
> > > looked good with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs.
> > > But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference
> in
> > > fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I
> thought
> > > we returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the
> back
> > > that we have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and
> > > midfield got wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton
> then
> > > began to cause a threat and in the end they could have got a result
> and you
> > > have to remember they made 9 changes too !
> > > So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that
> maybe
> > > some of our squad players are not going to be able to support a
> promotion
> > > push this season.
> > > Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them.
> > > Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a
> few
> > > times and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's
> got
> > > quality.
> > > Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely
> > > second choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times.
> > > Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed
> his
> > > strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do
> enough
> > > though to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper
> and
> > > Beradi and I never thought I would say that.
> > > Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling.
> > > Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective
> in
> > > his role which is suiting him down to the ground.
> > > Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class
> above
> > > and scored a great goal.
> > > Harrison - 7. Tric
Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
Wasn't that guy from Swansea the highest in Europe (Britton?)
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 4:41:08 PM EDT, Ed Morrish
wrote:
Isn't Batty one of the most accurate passers of the ball in Premier
League history?
Ed.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 at 20:52, Jim Moran wrote:
>
> Can’t read into stats in isolation. If every pass goes backwards and meets
> the man but results in nothing… literally pointless.
>
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 at 20:38, Mark wrote:
>
> > I think Jaap Stam’s Reading were the highest ever pass completion.
> > Cheers
> > Mark
> > El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
> > Leeds United
> > Chicago Fire
> >
> > From: Leedslist on behalf of Nigel Sykes <
> > ni...@sykesonline.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:32:39 PM
> > To: 'Leeds List'
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
> >
> > You can’t base everything on stats, but for what it’s worth our stats show
> > that our pass accuracy over the past several years is pretty stable at
> > around 74%. Our average in the first two games was 73.6%, so basically the
> > same. No stats for last night, but I suspect it would be slightly less, if
> > anything.
> >
> > For comparison, the better Premier League teams generally run well into
> > the 80’s. I suspect that Bielsa will want us to at least improve on
> > previous seasons.
> >
> > Nigel
> > (the Dublin one)
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Nicholas Armit [mailto:arm...@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: 15 August 2018 17:38
> > To: 'Leeds List'; Nigel Sykes
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
> >
> >
> >
> > Didn't see yesterday's game much but from the first two games I thought
> > our passing has been excellent. Way ahead of previous years.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 5:49:21 AM EDT, Nigel Sykes <
> > ni...@sykesonline.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yep - pretty much totally agree.
> >
> > I thought we looked fairly good in the first half, though without quite as
> > much 'zip' as in the previous 2 games. In the 2nd half though, the 'zip'
> > had gone and I commented that it was much more like watching us last
> > season. It was a pretty even 2nd half and could have easily ended in
> > penalties.
> >
> > Apart from the lower energy of the B-team, the biggest problem this season
> > is passing. We got away with the passes to the opposition in the first two
> > games because we hustled so much to get the ball back. But last night the
> > passing was even worse and the hustle wasn't enough to balance it out.
> >
> > Nigel
> > (the Dublin one)
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
> > {broken-address} Richard Walker
> > Sent: 15 August 2018 09:30
> > To: Leeds List
> > Subject: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
> >
> > Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We
> > started like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we
> > looked good with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs.
> > But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in
> > fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought
> > we returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back
> > that we have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and
> > midfield got wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then
> > began to cause a threat and in the end they could have got a result and you
> > have to remember they made 9 changes too !
> > So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe
> > some of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion
> > push this season.
> > Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them.
> > Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few
> > times and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got
> > quality.
> > Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely
> > second choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times.
> > Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his
> > strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough
> > though to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and
> > Beradi and I never thought I would say that.
> > Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling.
> > Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective in
> > his role which is suiting him down to the ground.
> > Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class above
> > and scored a great goal.
> > Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I think
> > he'll be pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon.
> > Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward runs but
> > not as solid as Kiltch.
> > Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left foot
> > but he sho
Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
Then maybe just the type of passing has been more dangerous? Seems a lot less
sideways and backwards and more offensive. Also the passing seems quicker and
crisper, moving the ball faster (which to me would probably be harder to do so
if they are as accurate that would be an improvement). Or maybe it has all gone
to my head!
Nick
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 3:33:21 PM EDT, Nigel Sykes
wrote:
You can’t base everything on stats, but for what it’s worth our stats show
that our pass accuracy over the past several years is pretty stable at around
74%. Our average in the first two games was 73.6%, so basically the same. No
stats for last night, but I suspect it would be slightly less, if anything.
For comparison, the better Premier League teams generally run well into the
80’s. I suspect that Bielsa will want us to at least improve on previous
seasons.
Nigel
(the Dublin one)
From: Nicholas Armit [mailto:arm...@yahoo.com]
Sent: 15 August 2018 17:38
To: 'Leeds List'; Nigel Sykes
Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
Didn't see yesterday's game much but from the first two games I thought our
passing has been excellent. Way ahead of previous years.
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 5:49:21 AM EDT, Nigel Sykes
wrote:
Yep - pretty much totally agree.
I thought we looked fairly good in the first half, though without quite as much
'zip' as in the previous 2 games. In the 2nd half though, the 'zip' had gone
and I commented that it was much more like watching us last season. It was a
pretty even 2nd half and could have easily ended in penalties.
Apart from the lower energy of the B-team, the biggest problem this season is
passing. We got away with the passes to the opposition in the first two games
because we hustled so much to get the ball back. But last night the passing
was even worse and the hustle wasn't enough to balance it out.
Nigel
(the Dublin one)
-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
{broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: 15 August 2018 09:30
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We started
like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we looked good
with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs.
But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in
fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought we
returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back that we
have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and midfield got
wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then began to cause a
threat and in the end they could have got a result and you have to remember
they made 9 changes too !
So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe some
of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion push this
season.
Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them.
Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few times
and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got quality.
Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely second
choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times.
Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his
strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough though
to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and Beradi and I
never thought I would say that.
Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling.
Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective in his
role which is suiting him down to the ground.
Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class above and
scored a great goal.
Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I think he'll be
pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon.
Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward runs but not
as solid as Kiltch.
Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left foot but he
should have had a hat-trick. Bit of a dilemma here because I think he needs
games but it looks like he'll be stuck on the bench for a while.
3 games, 3 wins so all good but I think there's a few concerns.
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Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
Isn't Batty one of the most accurate passers of the ball in Premier
League history?
Ed.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 at 20:52, Jim Moran wrote:
>
> Can’t read into stats in isolation. If every pass goes backwards and meets
> the man but results in nothing… literally pointless.
>
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 at 20:38, Mark wrote:
>
> > I think Jaap Stam’s Reading were the highest ever pass completion.
> > Cheers
> > Mark
> > El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
> > Leeds United
> > Chicago Fire
> >
> > From: Leedslist on behalf of Nigel Sykes <
> > ni...@sykesonline.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:32:39 PM
> > To: 'Leeds List'
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
> >
> > You can’t base everything on stats, but for what it’s worth our stats show
> > that our pass accuracy over the past several years is pretty stable at
> > around 74%. Our average in the first two games was 73.6%, so basically the
> > same. No stats for last night, but I suspect it would be slightly less, if
> > anything.
> >
> > For comparison, the better Premier League teams generally run well into
> > the 80’s. I suspect that Bielsa will want us to at least improve on
> > previous seasons.
> >
> > Nigel
> > (the Dublin one)
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Nicholas Armit [mailto:arm...@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: 15 August 2018 17:38
> > To: 'Leeds List'; Nigel Sykes
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
> >
> >
> >
> > Didn't see yesterday's game much but from the first two games I thought
> > our passing has been excellent. Way ahead of previous years.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 5:49:21 AM EDT, Nigel Sykes <
> > ni...@sykesonline.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yep - pretty much totally agree.
> >
> > I thought we looked fairly good in the first half, though without quite as
> > much 'zip' as in the previous 2 games. In the 2nd half though, the 'zip'
> > had gone and I commented that it was much more like watching us last
> > season. It was a pretty even 2nd half and could have easily ended in
> > penalties.
> >
> > Apart from the lower energy of the B-team, the biggest problem this season
> > is passing. We got away with the passes to the opposition in the first two
> > games because we hustled so much to get the ball back. But last night the
> > passing was even worse and the hustle wasn't enough to balance it out.
> >
> > Nigel
> > (the Dublin one)
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
> > {broken-address} Richard Walker
> > Sent: 15 August 2018 09:30
> > To: Leeds List
> > Subject: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
> >
> > Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We
> > started like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we
> > looked good with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs.
> > But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in
> > fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought
> > we returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back
> > that we have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and
> > midfield got wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then
> > began to cause a threat and in the end they could have got a result and you
> > have to remember they made 9 changes too !
> > So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe
> > some of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion
> > push this season.
> > Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them.
> > Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few
> > times and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got
> > quality.
> > Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely
> > second choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times.
> > Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his
> > strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough
> > though to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and
> > Beradi and I never thought I would say that.
> > Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling.
> > Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective in
> > his role which is suiting him down to the ground.
> > Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class above
> > and scored a great goal.
> > Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I think
> > he'll be pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon.
> > Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward runs but
> > not as solid as Kiltch.
> > Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left foot
> > but he should have had a hat-trick. Bit of a dilemma here because I think
> > he needs games but it looks like he'll be stuck on the bench for a whil
Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
Can’t read into stats in isolation. If every pass goes backwards and meets
the man but results in nothing… literally pointless.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 at 20:38, Mark wrote:
> I think Jaap Stam’s Reading were the highest ever pass completion.
> Cheers
> Mark
> El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
> Leeds United
> Chicago Fire
>
> From: Leedslist on behalf of Nigel Sykes <
> ni...@sykesonline.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:32:39 PM
> To: 'Leeds List'
> Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
>
> You can’t base everything on stats, but for what it’s worth our stats show
> that our pass accuracy over the past several years is pretty stable at
> around 74%. Our average in the first two games was 73.6%, so basically the
> same. No stats for last night, but I suspect it would be slightly less, if
> anything.
>
> For comparison, the better Premier League teams generally run well into
> the 80’s. I suspect that Bielsa will want us to at least improve on
> previous seasons.
>
> Nigel
> (the Dublin one)
>
>
>
> From: Nicholas Armit [mailto:arm...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: 15 August 2018 17:38
> To: 'Leeds List'; Nigel Sykes
> Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
>
>
>
> Didn't see yesterday's game much but from the first two games I thought
> our passing has been excellent. Way ahead of previous years.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 5:49:21 AM EDT, Nigel Sykes <
> ni...@sykesonline.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Yep - pretty much totally agree.
>
> I thought we looked fairly good in the first half, though without quite as
> much 'zip' as in the previous 2 games. In the 2nd half though, the 'zip'
> had gone and I commented that it was much more like watching us last
> season. It was a pretty even 2nd half and could have easily ended in
> penalties.
>
> Apart from the lower energy of the B-team, the biggest problem this season
> is passing. We got away with the passes to the opposition in the first two
> games because we hustled so much to get the ball back. But last night the
> passing was even worse and the hustle wasn't enough to balance it out.
>
> Nigel
> (the Dublin one)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
> {broken-address} Richard Walker
> Sent: 15 August 2018 09:30
> To: Leeds List
> Subject: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
>
> Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We
> started like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we
> looked good with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs.
> But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in
> fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought
> we returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back
> that we have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and
> midfield got wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then
> began to cause a threat and in the end they could have got a result and you
> have to remember they made 9 changes too !
> So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe
> some of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion
> push this season.
> Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them.
> Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few
> times and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got
> quality.
> Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely
> second choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times.
> Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his
> strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough
> though to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and
> Beradi and I never thought I would say that.
> Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling.
> Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective in
> his role which is suiting him down to the ground.
> Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class above
> and scored a great goal.
> Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I think
> he'll be pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon.
> Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward runs but
> not as solid as Kiltch.
> Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left foot
> but he should have had a hat-trick. Bit of a dilemma here because I think
> he needs games but it looks like he'll be stuck on the bench for a while.
> 3 games, 3 wins so all good but I think there's a few concerns.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
I think Jaap Stam’s Reading were the highest ever pass completion.
Cheers
Mark
El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
Leeds United
Chicago Fire
From: Leedslist on behalf of Nigel Sykes
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:32:39 PM
To: 'Leeds List'
Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
You can’t base everything on stats, but for what it’s worth our stats show that
our pass accuracy over the past several years is pretty stable at around 74%.
Our average in the first two games was 73.6%, so basically the same. No stats
for last night, but I suspect it would be slightly less, if anything.
For comparison, the better Premier League teams generally run well into the
80’s. I suspect that Bielsa will want us to at least improve on previous
seasons.
Nigel
(the Dublin one)
From: Nicholas Armit [mailto:arm...@yahoo.com]
Sent: 15 August 2018 17:38
To: 'Leeds List'; Nigel Sykes
Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
Didn't see yesterday's game much but from the first two games I thought our
passing has been excellent. Way ahead of previous years.
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 5:49:21 AM EDT, Nigel Sykes
wrote:
Yep - pretty much totally agree.
I thought we looked fairly good in the first half, though without quite as much
'zip' as in the previous 2 games. In the 2nd half though, the 'zip' had gone
and I commented that it was much more like watching us last season. It was a
pretty even 2nd half and could have easily ended in penalties.
Apart from the lower energy of the B-team, the biggest problem this season is
passing. We got away with the passes to the opposition in the first two games
because we hustled so much to get the ball back. But last night the passing
was even worse and the hustle wasn't enough to balance it out.
Nigel
(the Dublin one)
-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
{broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: 15 August 2018 09:30
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We started
like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we looked good
with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs.
But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in
fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought we
returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back that we
have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and midfield got
wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then began to cause a
threat and in the end they could have got a result and you have to remember
they made 9 changes too !
So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe some
of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion push this
season.
Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them.
Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few times
and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got quality.
Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely second
choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times.
Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his
strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough though
to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and Beradi and I
never thought I would say that.
Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling.
Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective in his
role which is suiting him down to the ground.
Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class above and
scored a great goal.
Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I think he'll be
pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon.
Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward runs but not
as solid as Kiltch.
Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left foot but he
should have had a hat-trick. Bit of a dilemma here because I think he needs
games but it looks like he'll be stuck on the bench for a while.
3 games, 3 wins so all good but I think there's a few concerns.
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Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
You can’t base everything on stats, but for what it’s worth our stats show that
our pass accuracy over the past several years is pretty stable at around 74%.
Our average in the first two games was 73.6%, so basically the same. No stats
for last night, but I suspect it would be slightly less, if anything.
For comparison, the better Premier League teams generally run well into the
80’s. I suspect that Bielsa will want us to at least improve on previous
seasons.
Nigel
(the Dublin one)
From: Nicholas Armit [mailto:arm...@yahoo.com]
Sent: 15 August 2018 17:38
To: 'Leeds List'; Nigel Sykes
Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
Didn't see yesterday's game much but from the first two games I thought our
passing has been excellent. Way ahead of previous years.
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 5:49:21 AM EDT, Nigel Sykes
wrote:
Yep - pretty much totally agree.
I thought we looked fairly good in the first half, though without quite as much
'zip' as in the previous 2 games. In the 2nd half though, the 'zip' had gone
and I commented that it was much more like watching us last season. It was a
pretty even 2nd half and could have easily ended in penalties.
Apart from the lower energy of the B-team, the biggest problem this season is
passing. We got away with the passes to the opposition in the first two games
because we hustled so much to get the ball back. But last night the passing
was even worse and the hustle wasn't enough to balance it out.
Nigel
(the Dublin one)
-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
{broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: 15 August 2018 09:30
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We started
like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we looked good
with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs.
But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in
fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought we
returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back that we
have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and midfield got
wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then began to cause a
threat and in the end they could have got a result and you have to remember
they made 9 changes too !
So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe some
of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion push this
season.
Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them.
Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few times
and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got quality.
Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely second
choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times.
Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his
strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough though
to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and Beradi and I
never thought I would say that.
Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling.
Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective in his
role which is suiting him down to the ground.
Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class above and
scored a great goal.
Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I think he'll be
pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon.
Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward runs but not
as solid as Kiltch.
Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left foot but he
should have had a hat-trick. Bit of a dilemma here because I think he needs
games but it looks like he'll be stuck on the bench for a while.
3 games, 3 wins so all good but I think there's a few concerns.
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Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
Didn't see yesterday's game much but from the first two games I thought our
passing has been excellent. Way ahead of previous years.
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 5:49:21 AM EDT, Nigel Sykes
wrote:
Yep - pretty much totally agree.
I thought we looked fairly good in the first half, though without quite as much
'zip' as in the previous 2 games. In the 2nd half though, the 'zip' had gone
and I commented that it was much more like watching us last season. It was a
pretty even 2nd half and could have easily ended in penalties.
Apart from the lower energy of the B-team, the biggest problem this season is
passing. We got away with the passes to the opposition in the first two games
because we hustled so much to get the ball back. But last night the passing
was even worse and the hustle wasn't enough to balance it out.
Nigel
(the Dublin one)
-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
{broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: 15 August 2018 09:30
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We started
like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we looked good
with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs.
But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in
fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought we
returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back that we
have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and midfield got
wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then began to cause a
threat and in the end they could have got a result and you have to remember
they made 9 changes too !
So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe some
of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion push this
season.
Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them.
Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few times
and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got quality.
Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely second
choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times.
Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his
strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough though
to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and Beradi and I
never thought I would say that.
Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling.
Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective in his
role which is suiting him down to the ground.
Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class above and
scored a great goal.
Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I think he'll be
pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon.
Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward runs but not
as solid as Kiltch.
Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left foot but he
should have had a hat-trick. Bit of a dilemma here because I think he needs
games but it looks like he'll be stuck on the bench for a while.
3 games, 3 wins so all good but I think there's a few concerns.
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Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
The one thing Lampard did right on Saturday was, at half time, put old Bradley man to man on Saiz - That will happen, pretty much, from the off soon - Anyone worth his salt will notice it. The promising thing is, having had 10-15 minutes whereby we did go a bit quiet due to that, we found other ways around it. All for full second string now if, as I understand, from U18's upwards Bielsa has got everyone playing this way, hopefully everyone can then catch up on the pace and accuracy and we'll have backup. On 15.08.2018 11:22, nick wrote: I wouldn't have Pontus (yet) - he was not playing the same game that our first 11 have played these last two weeks...he was sloppy in the first half making several mistakes that would have been punished against better opposition...he might get up to speed but, his concentration has always been suspect and what have the current defence done wrong to make way for him - you don't get in the team because you've got a funny song. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
I wouldn't have Pontus (yet) - he was not playing the same game that
our first 11 have played these last two weeks...he was sloppy in the
first half making several mistakes that would have been punished
against better opposition...he might get up to speed but, his
concentration has always been suspect and what have the current defence
done wrong to make way for him - you don't get in the team because
you've got a funny song.
On 15 August 2018 at 10:08 Ted <[1]tedhea...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep - totally agree Rich.
Like you as well, I'd have Pontus in but he does annoy me how he
goes down
so easy (for a big bloke) and stays down trying to get the foul. If
I was
a big bloke like him I'd want to show that I wasn't hurt at all.
Modern
players I guess.
Being a Leeds fan- I've still got his nagging doubt. We've been here
before playing the "pressing" game (under Christianson), although in
Bielsa's defence the opposition we've played has been slightly
better than
last season. Will it last? Will teams suss us out? Will we run out
of
steam? Is our squad good or fit enough to last?
On the plus side - it's entertaining!!! And that's what I pays me
money
for.
Also, I heard yesterday that 3 wins at the beginning of the season
is the
best we've done since Armfield's days - can that be right?!?!?!
Ted H
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 at 09:38, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
[2]richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We
started like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I
thought we
looked good with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs.
But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the
difference in
fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I
thought
we returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the
back
that we have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence
and
midfield got wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton
then
began to cause a threat and in the end they could have got a result
and you
have to remember they made 9 changes too !
So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that
maybe
some of our squad players are not going to be able to support a
promotion
push this season.
Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them.
Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession
a few
times and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see
he's got
quality.
Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and
definitely
second choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at
times.
Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half
showed his
strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do
enough
though to convince the manager he should be playing instead of
Cooper and
Beradi and I never thought I would say that.
Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling.
Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and
effective in
his role which is suiting him down to the ground.
Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class
above
and scored a great goal.
Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I
think
he'll be pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon.
Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward
runs but
not as solid as Kiltch.
Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left
foot
but he should have had a hat-trick. Bit of a dilemma here because I
think
he needs games but it looks like he'll be stuck on the bench for a
while.
3 games, 3 wins so all good but I think there's a few concerns.
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Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
Yep - pretty much totally agree.
I thought we looked fairly good in the first half, though without quite as much
'zip' as in the previous 2 games. In the 2nd half though, the 'zip' had gone
and I commented that it was much more like watching us last season. It was a
pretty even 2nd half and could have easily ended in penalties.
Apart from the lower energy of the B-team, the biggest problem this season is
passing. We got away with the passes to the opposition in the first two games
because we hustled so much to get the ball back. But last night the passing
was even worse and the hustle wasn't enough to balance it out.
Nigel
(the Dublin one)
-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
{broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: 15 August 2018 09:30
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We started
like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we looked good
with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs.
But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in
fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought we
returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back that we
have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and midfield got
wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then began to cause a
threat and in the end they could have got a result and you have to remember
they made 9 changes too !
So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe some
of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion push this
season.
Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them.
Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few times
and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got quality.
Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely second
choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times.
Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his
strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough though
to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and Beradi and I
never thought I would say that.
Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling.
Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective in his
role which is suiting him down to the ground.
Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class above and
scored a great goal.
Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I think he'll be
pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon.
Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward runs but not
as solid as Kiltch.
Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left foot but he
should have had a hat-trick. Bit of a dilemma here because I think he needs
games but it looks like he'll be stuck on the bench for a while.
3 games, 3 wins so all good but I think there's a few concerns.
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Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
Yep - totally agree Rich.
Like you as well, I'd have Pontus in but he does annoy me how he goes down
so easy (for a big bloke) and stays down trying to get the foul. If I was
a big bloke like him I'd want to show that I wasn't hurt at all. Modern
players I guess.
Being a Leeds fan- I've still got his nagging doubt. We've been here
before playing the "pressing" game (under Christianson), although in
Bielsa's defence the opposition we've played has been slightly better than
last season. Will it last? Will teams suss us out? Will we run out of
steam? Is our squad good or fit enough to last?
On the plus side - it's entertaining!!! And that's what I pays me money
for.
Also, I heard yesterday that 3 wins at the beginning of the season is the
best we've done since Armfield's days - can that be right?!?!?!
Ted H
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 at 09:38, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
> Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We
> started like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we
> looked good with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs.
> But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in
> fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought
> we returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back
> that we have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and
> midfield got wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then
> began to cause a threat and in the end they could have got a result and you
> have to remember they made 9 changes too !
> So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe
> some of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion
> push this season.
> Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them.
> Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few
> times and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got
> quality.
> Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely
> second choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times.
> Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his
> strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough
> though to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and
> Beradi and I never thought I would say that.
> Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling.
> Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective in
> his role which is suiting him down to the ground.
> Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class above
> and scored a great goal.
> Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I think
> he'll be pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon.
> Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward runs but
> not as solid as Kiltch.
> Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left foot
> but he should have had a hat-trick. Bit of a dilemma here because I think
> he needs games but it looks like he'll be stuck on the bench for a while.
> 3 games, 3 wins so all good but I think there's a few concerns.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We started like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we looked good with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs. But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought we returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back that we have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and midfield got wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then began to cause a threat and in the end they could have got a result and you have to remember they made 9 changes too ! So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe some of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion push this season. Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them. Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few times and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got quality. Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely second choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times. Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough though to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and Beradi and I never thought I would say that. Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling. Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective in his role which is suiting him down to the ground. Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class above and scored a great goal. Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I think he'll be pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon. Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward runs but not as solid as Kiltch. Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left foot but he should have had a hat-trick. Bit of a dilemma here because I think he needs games but it looks like he'll be stuck on the bench for a while. 3 games, 3 wins so all good but I think there's a few concerns. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
