Re: [LU] Championship

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Yep, been to 4 ‘finals’ now with Leeds and have yet to see us score. I can’t be 
doing that any more. Combined with whole shithousery that being in London and 
Wembley just is. 

Still it was nice to see a few familiar faces in some pub in Marylebone.

Southampton have us properly figured out this season. Sharp attacks, good 
finisher, and then a bus parked across the back. Some of their tackling was 
borderline, to say the least. But they knew they needed to keep Gnonto, 
Summerville and Rutter quiet and the rest would take care of itself. They only 
wobbled those few times when we upped the tempo, and brought a little chaos to 
things - mainly around Dan James - up to that point Firpo had been just about 
our best attacking threat. Kamara, is half a midfielder - he does the defensive 
stuff fine, but he is gash at going forward - Batty, Dacourt, Philips all knew 
a good forward pass when it presented itself. This is one of the reasons Archie 
must be midfield regular next season.

The idea of replacing Farke is nonsense. That points tally is a record for not 
achieving promotion. 

Massively fucked off on the game, but the longer outcome is not so bad, 
supposing we keep a decent core of these players, and the finances are not shot 
to shit by this failure to get promoted, as is being mooted in some places.

Nick


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> On 27 May 2024, at 11:43, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
>  It was interesting arriving at Baker Street - the Globe was packed and the 
> atmosphere frantic with the expectation levels high. Couldn't get a drink so 
> went over the road to the Soton pub and in there it was easy to get a drink 
> and felt like it a relaced Sunday afternoon in a beer garden with the 
> occassionally when the Saints go marching in. Maybe it's that level of 
> expectancy that get's to the players and causes our downfall. The Saints fans 
> seemed much more relaxed to me  and so did I after 6 pints 
>On Monday 27 May 2024 at 11:22:44 BST, nattan--- via Leedslist 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Well this was the archetypal " a great weekend spolit by 90mins football " - 
> been there  , done that so many times in the past , including but not limited 
> to 3 play off finals this century without a single goal to cheer
> Despite misgivings over the stuff surrounding this  " final" i was fully on 
> board and was massively up for it. The area around Paddington and then Covent 
> Garden were turned into leeds united territory as our fans massed together 
> and, much to the delight of tourists taking photos,  we sang, danced and 
> jumped around going ' fuc8ing mental" 
> So a great Saturday evening,  followed by a 50/50 split in afew pubs on Baker 
> Street and 100% leeds united Globe ( when it emptied enough for us to get in) 
> We all wanted to win, obviously , but were not so impressed with what would 
> come next - an attempt to be the 4th worst team in the prem, hardly a great 
> ambition , 
> As for the game, as they say in boxing , styles make fights, well ours and 
> Southampton styles make a bore- fest in which they always had the edge. once 
> they scored it genuinely felt like game over, DJ tried his best to change 
> that but we never really looked like getting the goal(s) we needed. 
> So LUFC set another unwanted record ( most play offs without a victory,  so 
> ive been told) and its another year ( my last on my 20yr ST) in the champo. 
> Such is life.
> I have got up today in absolute agony due to various health issues and did 
> amuse myself by singing " for  the sake of leeds United i have broke (sic)  
> myself in two" even if im not a red headed dynamo. 
> Final point i hope Saints fans can learn at least one other song , the only 
> time i heard them in the pub or in the ground was that dirge , oh when the 
> saints, sung at half speed- tedious 
> Roll on 24/25 season   it will be our year ( honest)
> Dave 
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Re: [LU] Saints - crowd reaction

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

I hope they / we will reflect that 90 points is the current record for a team 
finishing 3rd.

The average is 83.

90 points is the average total for the Champions
With 85 for 2nd.

By any measure we have had a very good season, the problem is that Leicester & 
Ipswich have had exceptional seasons.

I hope for this, but I doubt it will happen.

Nick

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> On 1 May 2024, at 11:59, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> I think a lot will depend upon the first few minutes.
> If we come out in a positive manner and look good I think the fans will be 
> supportive.
> If we see a repeat of the QPR or Sunderland games I think the crowd will get 
> a bit tetchy.
> It will also be interesting to see the team he picks. I read before that some 
> of the fringe players like Joffy have been withdrawn from the 23s this week.
> 
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> From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 11:49:18 AM
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] Saints - crowd reaction
> 
> I wonder what mood ( apart from resignation) the crowd wil be in on Saturday. 
> Will the players and Farke be treated as heroes for turning a season around, 
> getting to within an inch of automatic promotion despite the huge points gap 
> at times, and gaining an unbelievable 90pts ORWill they be treated as bottle 
> jobs who let us and themselves down when it really counted especially the 
> abject capitulation at QPR ?
> Both reactions are understandable and reasonable.
> Will it be affected by anything happening at Ipswich? How leeds would it be 
> to hear Huddersfield have won then concede a last minute equaliser anyway ?
> Personally i think overall they have done a fantastic job and need our full 
> backing in the play offs but i totally understand the opposite point of view 
> that they failed ( so far ) when it really mattered.
> I know which of my match going mates will take which  view
> 
> Been seeing/ hearing a lot re play off statistics - 36 % of teams coming 3rd 
> get promoted but leeds have lost all 5 play off attempts and have lost every 
> final since 1972 in various competitions,  so it is very much a lottery
> Finally i want to put on record (again) what a fraud the play off final is . 
> It gets all the razzmatazz and build up of a real final but should be 
> something we are ashamed to be at - 2 teams not good enough to go up 
> properly.  Yes i will really enjoy the victory if we manage it but still 
> think it is a fraud
> 
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Anyway

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Aye, in the Keys we keep coming back round to that “We could really do with X 
being a better player… yeah, but if he were a better player, he wouldn’t be 
playing for us” conversation.

Football fans. We’ve got to have some bollocks to blather about, or else we 
might just focus on overthrowing the corrupt political system.


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> On 23 Apr 2024, at 18:44, bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> 
> And of course Nick, despite a couple of ropey games, I wouldn’t have dropped 
> him either, despite saying it! Just frustration talking!
> 
> Me and DRB had a chat about the perils of expecting our players to be 
> top-quality, rather than Championship/League 1 level - I need to remind 
> myself of that at times!
> 
> 
> 
>> On 23 Apr 2024, at 16:58, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I think it is at least some of the story, John.
>> 
>> He’s the outstanding player in the league, closing in on 20 goals (at 1 in 
>> every 2 games) plus another 10 or so assists, that is a season of consistent 
>> returns. The fact that he has had a couple of bad games - at the same time 
>> as the team is struggling - doesn’t change that.
>> 
>> I suppose where my tetchiness comes from is listening to knuckle-heads on 
>> the Kop berating Summerville, Rutter and Rodon for being “lazy”, “not fit to 
>> wear the shirt” etc in the last couple of games.
>> 
>> At this point all that matters is winning, and if you got to win ugly 
>> (Gnonto’s offside goal!) so be it. To do that you don’t drop a guy with a 
>> hand in nigh on 30 goals. He might well not have been our best player 
>> yesterday, but there is an argument that he was the most effective.
>> 
>> Anyway, on to London… which is always easy!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On 23 Apr 2024, at 11:31, bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> That’s hardly the story though is it Nick? But to humour you, if he’d 
>>> played like his last match then yes, but he didn’t - for most of the game 
>>> he turned up, scored 2 vital goals, still gave some cheap ball away, but 
>>> not as much as others, and if we hadn’t adopted the 11 men behind the ball 
>>> tactic he may have scored more? Or not? Who knows?
>>> 
>>> The story is we got 3 points, are now 2nd in the table, and have given 
>>> ourselves a chance of going up automatically.
>>> 
>>> There are any number of words to describe a game like that - hugely 
>>> entertaining, defensively awful, defensively strong, clinical in front of 
>>> goal, some really sh*te lost balls (2 of which cost us goals), wasteful 
>>> going forward, tactically perverse, frustrating as hell - in short, the 
>>> story of our season.
>>> 
>>> That we held out, and scored an offside winner, was amazing. Often, it 
>>> seems, we never get breaks like that? I’d have liked to see Bamford’s 
>>> ‘offside’ goal again though - maybe we were robbed of that one?
>>> 
>>> Lots of chatter about tonights game - seems simple to me - Leicester need 
>>> to lose - Southampton may come to the last game on a roll, but that is for 
>>> another day - if we beat QPR and Leicester lose then some remarkable 
>>> variants are possible?
>>> 
>>> All Leeds Arn’t We :-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>>> On 23 Apr 2024, at 09:57, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> We should have dropped Summerville, yeah?
>>>> 
>>>> Nick
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [LU] Anyway

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I think it is at least some of the story, John.

He’s the outstanding player in the league, closing in on 20 goals (at 1 in 
every 2 games) plus another 10 or so assists, that is a season of consistent 
returns. The fact that he has had a couple of bad games - at the same time as 
the team is struggling - doesn’t change that.

I suppose where my tetchiness comes from is listening to knuckle-heads on the 
Kop berating Summerville, Rutter and Rodon for being “lazy”, “not fit to wear 
the shirt” etc in the last couple of games. 

At this point all that matters is winning, and if you got to win ugly (Gnonto’s 
offside goal!) so be it. To do that you don’t drop a guy with a hand in nigh on 
30 goals. He might well not have been our best player yesterday, but there is 
an argument that he was the most effective.

Anyway, on to London… which is always easy!

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> On 23 Apr 2024, at 11:31, bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> That’s hardly the story though is it Nick? But to humour you, if he’d played 
> like his last match then yes, but he didn’t - for most of the game he turned 
> up, scored 2 vital goals, still gave some cheap ball away, but not as much as 
> others, and if we hadn’t adopted the 11 men behind the ball tactic he may 
> have scored more? Or not? Who knows?
> 
> The story is we got 3 points, are now 2nd in the table, and have given 
> ourselves a chance of going up automatically.
> 
> There are any number of words to describe a game like that - hugely 
> entertaining, defensively awful, defensively strong, clinical in front of 
> goal, some really sh*te lost balls (2 of which cost us goals), wasteful going 
> forward, tactically perverse, frustrating as hell - in short, the story of 
> our season.
> 
> That we held out, and scored an offside winner, was amazing. Often, it seems, 
> we never get breaks like that? I’d have liked to see Bamford’s ‘offside’ goal 
> again though - maybe we were robbed of that one?
> 
> Lots of chatter about tonights game - seems simple to me - Leicester need to 
> lose - Southampton may come to the last game on a roll, but that is for 
> another day - if we beat QPR and Leicester lose then some remarkable variants 
> are possible?
> 
> All Leeds Arn’t We :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 23 Apr 2024, at 09:57, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
>> 
>> We should have dropped Summerville, yeah?
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> 
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[LU] Anyway

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We should have dropped Summerville, yeah?

Nick


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Re: [LU] Scared

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Anyway I see that those players who “should be dropped” all won awards last 
night.

Including Summerville, player of the season in Champs.

Still eh. What do they know.

I’d rather they were lining up for us, than against us.

Nick

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> On 14 Apr 2024, at 20:47, Damian WALSH  wrote:
> 
> I think that Farke has been brilliant and I hope that he long continues to
> be so for Leeds United.
> 
> But I'm pretty sure that the dropped points these last matches are down to
> him and not the players. They are good enough to go (& stay) up but they
> need to be let off the leash because they're not good enough to play with
> the metaphorical hand tied behind their back. The team has got to move up a
> couple of gears and the handbrake has to come off (preferably the other way
> round or there'll be a horrible smell of burning) - that's almost certainly
> down to the manager ...
> 
> BTW I don't want to lose any of the players - I've even warmed to Firpo :)
> 
> Damian
> 
> 
> Le dim. 14 avr. 2024 à 18:50, John Lee via Leedslist 
> a écrit :
> 
>> We will lose some/all those named, but of course if they’re not good
>> enough to get us out of this league, then so be it!
>> 
>> 
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Re: [LU] Scared?

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

   Just reflecting a bit more:

   Piroe - was pish yesterday, anonymous. He is probably the best pure
   finisher we have…and brings nothing else.
   Summerville… given the ball standing still, with 3 men to beat, because
   half-decent coaches know if they stop him they go half way to stopping
   us… and this is the problem with the relentless passing across the back
   5, our best front guys need to hit the defence at speed, get them off
   balance, cause some chaos, but with this pass pass pass, they can set
   their defence, get organised and are much harder to break down. On
   paper we have by far the best attacking threat in the league (include
   Byram, Firpo and Roberts in that too)… what we should do for the last 3
   games is let them loose, get the ball to them and risk it. It all
   depends how tired (mentally and physically) they are, and also how
   scared we are as a team
   Bamford - someone described him as a “streaky” player… and we are in a
   downturn, whereas 2 months ago he was on a goal a game… I can see this
   being his last season with us. He moves defences around, but he needs
   service to score, he won’t create chances for himself.
   James. - A good full back who marks him properly, deals with him
   Rutter - who I do really like - is however currently in the running for
   the Paolo Wanchope award of no can mark him because no one, least of
   all himself, knows where he’s going or what he is about to do
   Gnonto - looked most likely yesterday, then got subbed (maybe he was
   struggling), but he is at least direct and willing to pop a shot
   Anthony - looks decent, but is behind the other 3 wingers
   Joseph - nice cameos…do we go with a raw 20 year at this stage?
   Joffy - does a lot of warming up…
   Also, taking Gruev off, left a huge hole that they walked through.
   Devon Lock, Devon Lock riding through the glen…
   Nick
   PS: it doesn’t take much for ‘the best supporters in the league’ to
   become a right bunch of moaning bastards.
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 On 13 Apr 2024, at 18:16, Richard Walker 
 wrote:

    Harsh. Yes he had a really bad game today but over the last few
   weeks, when we’ve looked shit, he’s been the only one who looks like he
   can still make things happen. In fact, it must be difficult
   for him when our main tactic is to give the ball to him and ask him to
   beat 2 or 3 men consistently.
   I think if you’re looking for disappointing players you’ve got to look
   at Piroe, who offered nothing as a no 9 and I’d offload him now or
   Bamford (and I was a fan) who came on and did nothing other than look
   for a pen.
   Or Rutter, who looked like a world beater a month ago , but now looks
   like a non-league trier. I was actually starting to think that this guy
   was another Cantona but what’s happened? You can’t blame it on the
   operation because it started before then - he was awful against Town.
   Maybe it’s an injury ? Not sure but he’s not worth his place in the
   team at the moment.
   Very disappointing today, I couldn’t even stay out for drinks I was
   that pissed off. Farke’s substitutions were mystifying and totally
   messed with our rythmn. How can you take out 2 best players off -
   Gnonto and Gruev ? Were they both struggling? Didn’t look like it to
   me.
   You don’t get more Leeds than today.
   Can’t see us winning another game - I put that in to make me look like
   a cunt when we get promoted !
   Chateauneuf-du-Pape tonight - got to cheer yourself somehow on days
   like this. FFS !
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   On Saturday, April 13, 2024, 5:57 PM, John Lee via Leedslist
wrote:

   Summerville has the potential to play at a higher level, and has
   demonstrated that on a few occasions this season. He also ‘appears’ to
   have an inflated opinion of his own abilities. He is no dead-ball
   expert, his passing is conditional on whether nothing is on for him, he
   gives the ball away consistently, dives ALOT, and his shooting is
   patchy. I find him really frustrating to watch and I am surprised
   players don’t give him a bollocking for not passing quicker. I hope he
   refinds the form of 2 months ago, because on todays form, he’s a waste
   of a shirt.
   I think he’ll leave whatever happens this season?
   Other opinions are available :-)
   > On 13 Apr 2024, at 15:25, Nick Allen <[2]n...@6haroldplace.co.uk>
   wrote:
   >
   > Why? He’s been outstanding.
   >
   > Regularly touted by non-Leeds people as the best in the league.
   >
   > Nick
   >
   >> On 13 Apr 2024, at 14:36, Jim Moran <[3]j...@jimmoran.co.uk> wrote:
   >>
   >> I think he lost himself today
   >>
   >>>> On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 at 14:32, Ed Morrish <[4]edmorr...@gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >>>
   >>> UPDATE:
   >>>
   >>> I’m no longer worried about losing Summerville.
   >>>
   >>> Sent 

[LU] Sunderland

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Notable lack of comments on here since Saturday.

Ampadu - Meslier - Rodon

My foremost impression from last night was how tired everyone in the starting 
outfield 10 looked. With the exception of Gruev, and possibly Gray, they were 
listless, not just physically less sharp - slower to the loose ball, less 
running into space, slower to close down, less movement for the guy with ball - 
but we seemed mentally off it as well. All the things people tried didn’t come 
off. It doesn’t make them bad players all of a sudden. 

Ampadu - Rodon - Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu

A combined total of 4 shots on goal, is poor by anyone’s reckoning.

Meslier - Rodon - Meslier - Ampadu

Unbelievably though, for a team moving up to second with four games to go, 
there were scattered boos in the Kop at the final whistle.

We don’t have to finish above both Ipswich and Leicester, just one of them will 
do.

Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu - Rodon

Onto Saturday then. We can still do this. 

Nick


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Re: [LU] Hull

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Gruev was a much bigger miss.

Dan James’ goal… how long have I waited to see a keeper up for a corner, caught 
out.

Just keep ploughing on, it’s all we can do.

Nick

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> On 2 Apr 2024, at 13:16, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> Dave,
> 
> You didn't mention Connor, do you think we missed him too? From the comfort 
> of the armchair I pondered this at length.
> 
> Betty
> 
>> On 02/04/2024 11:15, nattan--- via Leedslist wrote:
>> We were chasing shadows a bit, Kamara having a mare, Gray showing why he
>>  is not first choice midfield yet. Bamford got no service as the whole
>> team struggled.  Hull were very comfortable apart from one scramble when
>>  Georginio,  Summerville and Firpo all had shots blocked.
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Re: [LU] Millwall

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

…all of which has just reminded me of the best reason not to go up - fucking 
VAR. I have not missed it for one second this season. Not even that ridiculous 
decision.

(Of course I want to go up)

Nick


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> On 18 Mar 2024, at 11:00, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
> 
> Thanks Dave, agree with that.
> 
> The non-penalty was difficult to see from the Kop, but when you see the 
> replay and the ref’s positioning - which was good - it is impossible to 
> understand how he didn’t give it.
> 
> Having then let play run until they got a free kick on the edge of our box, 
> he then gave the softest offside to halt their attack, once the free kick was 
> taken.
> 
> It was absurd.
> 
> Also understand that Ayling was in The Peacock buying beers …
> 
> Nick
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 18 Mar 2024, at 10:20, nattan--- via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The " no-one likes us" derby as some repoter called jt, ended as it should 
>> with 3pts and us " top top top of the league"
>> It was a bitter sweet day for me, arrived in the pub to the news that my all 
>> time musical hero Steve Harley had died , but left Leeds train station with 
>> us no1
>> This was a game that on paper we should have won, and we all knew the type 
>> of game it would be, the typical championship grind it out v a physical time 
>> wasting team who had come to spoil not entertain.  We needed to make sure we 
>> stood up to them at corners and give them nothing , and then take at least 
>> one of the chances that would inevitably come our way.
>> Thats exactly how it unfolded. I dont recall them creating a single decent 
>> chance, a couple of corners gave some cause for concern,  and Mes had a 
>> couple of regulation saved to make , but this was as straightforward as it 
>> gets.
>> We controlled things from start to finish,  though at 1-0 things are always 
>> going to be a bit nervy but our defence is rock solid so no real panic.
>> Our goals were great - the first a nice ball by Georginio,  well controlled 
>> at pace by Gnonto who powered on and unleashed a thunderbolt into the corner 
>> of the net, no stopping those and 2 in 2 for the prodigal son.  Whilst willy 
>> is making the most of things, his mate Cree is having a hard time,  nothing 
>> quite working - he has gone 5 or 6 now with no goals or assists.  He came 
>> close at the end of the first half with his trademark cutting inside and 
>> bending his shot into the far corner, unfortunately,  and typical at the 
>> moment the keeper pulled off a great save.
>> Second half they made the first quadruple sub ive ever seen but to no avail, 
>>  we replaced Gnonto with the equally good Dan James and he soon got our 
>> second,  the decisive goal and the one that takes us top. He made a meal of 
>> it, Georginio with  more magic and his 2nd assist,  pulled it back and all 
>> DJ had to do was fire home. Instead he trapped the ball,  took another touch 
>> to send the defender the wrong way and fired home through a defender and the 
>> keeper, strange way to do it but it worked.
>> We then hit the post twice, first Georginio having his first attempt saved 
>> chased the ball down and his cut back bounced off the keeper onto the post. 
>> In  the dying minutes DJ let fly with another shot and it hit the post and 
>> went wide.
>> So a fairly comfortable and basic championship win, but a vital one. Now the 
>> pressure is on us to stay there
>> Final comment, we had a huge shout for a penalty and probably second yellow 
>> for them when Roden was flattened,  but i did not really see it.
>> DaveRIP STEVE HARLEY
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Re: [LU] Millwall

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Thanks Dave, agree with that.

The non-penalty was difficult to see from the Kop, but when you see the replay 
and the ref’s positioning - which was good - it is impossible to understand how 
he didn’t give it.

Having then let play run until they got a free kick on the edge of our box, he 
then gave the softest offside to halt their attack, once the free kick was 
taken.

It was absurd.

Also understand that Ayling was in The Peacock buying beers …

Nick

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> On 18 Mar 2024, at 10:20, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> The " no-one likes us" derby as some repoter called jt, ended as it should 
> with 3pts and us " top top top of the league"
> It was a bitter sweet day for me, arrived in the pub to the news that my all 
> time musical hero Steve Harley had died , but left Leeds train station with 
> us no1
> This was a game that on paper we should have won, and we all knew the type of 
> game it would be, the typical championship grind it out v a physical time 
> wasting team who had come to spoil not entertain.  We needed to make sure we 
> stood up to them at corners and give them nothing , and then take at least 
> one of the chances that would inevitably come our way.
> Thats exactly how it unfolded. I dont recall them creating a single decent 
> chance, a couple of corners gave some cause for concern,  and Mes had a 
> couple of regulation saved to make , but this was as straightforward as it 
> gets.
> We controlled things from start to finish,  though at 1-0 things are always 
> going to be a bit nervy but our defence is rock solid so no real panic.
> Our goals were great - the first a nice ball by Georginio,  well controlled 
> at pace by Gnonto who powered on and unleashed a thunderbolt into the corner 
> of the net, no stopping those and 2 in 2 for the prodigal son.  Whilst willy 
> is making the most of things, his mate Cree is having a hard time,  nothing 
> quite working - he has gone 5 or 6 now with no goals or assists.  He came 
> close at the end of the first half with his trademark cutting inside and 
> bending his shot into the far corner, unfortunately,  and typical at the 
> moment the keeper pulled off a great save. 
> Second half they made the first quadruple sub ive ever seen but to no avail,  
> we replaced Gnonto with the equally good Dan James and he soon got our 
> second,  the decisive goal and the one that takes us top. He made a meal of 
> it, Georginio with  more magic and his 2nd assist,  pulled it back and all DJ 
> had to do was fire home. Instead he trapped the ball,  took another touch to 
> send the defender the wrong way and fired home through a defender and the 
> keeper, strange way to do it but it worked.
> We then hit the post twice, first Georginio having his first attempt saved 
> chased the ball down and his cut back bounced off the keeper onto the post. 
> In  the dying minutes DJ let fly with another shot and it hit the post and 
> went wide.
> So a fairly comfortable and basic championship win, but a vital one. Now the 
> pressure is on us to stay there 
> Final comment, we had a huge shout for a penalty and probably second yellow 
> for them when Roden was flattened,  but i did not really see it.
> DaveRIP STEVE HARLEY 
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[LU] Short post

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Archie Gray in midfield.

That is all.

Nick


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Re: [LU] Meslier

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Also, the graft of Rutter set up the chaos in the Leicester defence for each of 
our goals.

Brilliant stuff.

Good use of subs by Farke.

Nick


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> On 23 Feb 2024, at 22:54, Nick Allen  wrote:
> 
> Kept us in it when the going was tough.
> 
> Fucking get in.
> 
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Re: [LU] Risible

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Finally met Big Al around this time last year. A good lad.

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> On 22 Jan 2024, at 19:26, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> Surprised that none of my fellow armchair fans noticed Peter Risible in the 
> stands for Sunday's game. He looked very drawn.
> 
> My mate Big Al was also shown before the match.
> 
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Re: [LU] Preston

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Firpo’s cross was a thing of beauty. 

Preston, second half, were horrible.

We earned that win.

Nick

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> On 21 Jan 2024, at 17:44, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> This was more a game of 2 prestons than a game of 2 halves.
> 
> First half they were as good as any team that has been to ER , nullified us 
> in attack, apart from the goal, a header by Bamford and a free header missed 
> by Georginio,  at the other end , they scored,  forced Meslier into a good 
> save , gave Gray a torrid time and pretty much matched us . 
> Second half they were the dirtiest , niggliest, most time wasting team we 
> have seen , aided by an incompetent ref and a fair amount of good fortune .
> Thankfully justice triumphed in the end with our injury time penalty goal 
> winner to send us all home happy. 
> The atmosphere suffered from the early kick off , made worse by us going 
> behind in the second minute. A long hoof ended with a foul by Ampadu (?) 
> inside our half . They were making use of the gusting wind fron the first and 
> pumped the ball high into our area, winning the header and 2 knock downs 
> before the lad hit it in from close range.We equalised fairly quickly, Gray 
> winning the ball and beating a player close to the by line, he fed Gruev who 
> beat another before giving it to Summerville who played it through to Firpo ( 
> impressive again going forward today) and his cross was met at the back post 
> by probably our man of the match, Dan James who nodded home.Second half we 
> started like a house on fire creating three or four good chances, the best 
> being a brilliant run in the box by Summerville whose cut back was hit 
> against the post by Georginio,  then  Bamford played it over the top for DJ 
> to run onto but his clever lob landed on the roof of the net.Their spoiling 
> tactics and bits of good fortune ( twice the ball somehow stayed out ) meant 
> as we went into time added on a draw looked most likely, so much so a lad 
> near us left with the parting words " its not going to happen 
> today".Thankfully his pessimism was misplaced as a bouncing ball hit a 
> Preston defender on the arm and we got a penalty,  put away with aplomb by 
> Piroe so we could all laugh at their keeper ( who had eventually been booked 
> for persistent time wasting) and go mental.Another vital 3 points and a win 
> for football over thuggery and cynicism 
> DaveRoll on Wednesday 
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Re: [LU] Coventry

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Exactly, Paul.

Oh, and Dan James’ sitter at the end…

Nick


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> On 17 Dec 2023, at 20:29, Paul Cundell  wrote:
> 
> Let's not blame the goalkeeper because Rutter and Cree missed more chances
> in one half than Bamford has missed all season and conveniently forget
> Mesliers first half save that in the end preserved our unbeaten home
> record.
> There's two defenders on the attacker but the keeper should've come for it?
> Why? So you could have blamed him for not leaving it to the defenders?
> Let's not look for scapegoats when the fault clearly lies with us failing
> to convert our chances.
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 17 Dec 2023, 17:38 Scott1cairns1,  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s a vote of no confidence in meslier for me.
>> Best regards,Scott.
>> 
 On 17 Dec 2023, at 12:59, Robert Heath  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dead right about the ref. I noticed when the res were doing their
>> pathetic
>>> "warmup" that he was out of breath and struggling to keep up with his
>>> linesmen after simply jogging a lap of half the pitch!
>>> 
 On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 11:23 AM Simon McNally via Leedslist <
 leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
 
 Mostly agree, especially that song.
 
 I think it was Struijk that loses the header for the goal.
 Having watched it back, I’m not convinced by Meslier on the goal either.
 It’s a high, looping cross that is headed in from within the six yard
>> box.
 I’d think the keeper should be claiming that.
 I thought he could’ve done better with the Sunderland goal too.
 Shopping list for January for me would be : 1) left back and 2)
>> goalkeeper
 
 
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 Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2023 10:28:25 AM
 To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
 Subject: [LU] Coventry
 
 I'd forgotten that God awful song that they sing  'We all sing
 together  la la la' - took me right back to the Hillsborough
 semi-final. Rubbish song, rubbish city, rubbish fans and they had the
>> cheek
 to sing "Leeds is a shithole I want to go home". Made me laugh and
>> think of
 Ghost Town.
 To be fair to their team I thought they were ok. A bit like Sunderland,
 they came with damage limitation in mind and to kick everything that
>> moved
 which they got away with due to a really, really poor ref. He didn't
>> look
 in shape and his brain was obviously running slow because time and time
 again they hacked at our players and he didn't take any action. I think
 this is the way to play us, be solid, get everyone behind the ball and
>> then
 get us on the counter, which is what happened.
 First half I thought we huffed and puffed and got into some good
>> positions
 but poor finishing cost us. Rutter spent most of the half on his arse as
 usual and when he did get a chance he fluffed it. My mate said he's
>> either
 world class or a spastic. He was a spastic in that first half. Very
 frustrating. Most of our best work was down the left with Spence and
 Summerville but  when we did manage to work our way  into the box the
>> last
 pass or cross was lacking. At the other end Coventry did have numerous
 counters and their tricky right winger skinned Spence to create a good
 chance. Meslier also made a decent save from a shot outside the box.
>> They
 were dangerous on the counter and I think as a team it's far too to pass
 and progress through our midfield. This is obviously the downside to
 playing 4 attackers with one of them (Piroe) in midfield. Piroe is
>> never a
 midfielder, not even close. Yes he's tidy on the ball at times but most
>> of
 the time without the ball he's a passenger.
 I think we need to look at playing with 3 midfielder (proper
>> midfielders)
 in some games especially away from home. New left back in Jan, spence to
 right back , Archie into midfield. Bidwell for them must be 30+ but he's
 solid , can defend and get forward. That's all we need from a left back
>> in
 this league.
 Then there's the argument about who to play up front ? For me, Rutter is
 great to watch (the world class version not the spastic) but there's no
>> way
 he's a number 9. He misses chance after chance after brilliantly setting
 them up. He's a great passer of the ball and for someone who at times
>> looks
 like he's on cloud 9 (he doesn't watch the offside line for instance) he
 does have great awareness. If he's gonna play I think he is the one to
>> play
 as a 10 or a winger but NOT as a no 9. Rutter's assist for Summerville's
 2nd half goal was fantastic.Maybe an unopular view, but I would play
 Bamford at no 9. Ok, he's coming on and looking like he's never played
>> as
 he loses possession and the ball bobbles of his shin. He's trying too
>> hard

[LU] Fwd: Boro

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

I have now missed both the ‘against’ early goals, but at least for this one was 
able to say to the regulars heckling us this time, “well it worked out last 
time didn’t it?”… and lo…!

We should not forget that Archie isn’t a right back, he is a very gifted young 
midfielder and the sooner we can have him back in the middle, the better.

I agree with the report Dave, the thing I’d add is that either Boro had sussed 
a weakness or our CHalfs were having a bad one, because they got repeatedly 
pulled upfield and out of position, following “their man”. Leaving big holes in 
the back row.

Yeah headed goals from the two shortest guys on the pitch - their defenders 
need a word with themselves, twice in 5 minutes.

Our front 4 are pretty much unplayable for the defenders at this level, and 
relentless with it. Their #9 was good too.  I was glad to see Piroe step up for 
the penalty.

Another 3 points.

> From: nattan--- via Leedslist 
> Date: 3 December 2023 at 10:01:17 GMT
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] Boro
> Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com" 
> 
> Another 3 points and another absolutely frantic first 5 minutes.Anyone  who 
> get in just after kick off is missing all the best bits. Luckily ( or years 
> of honing my skills ?) I was stood in my spot just letting on to those around 
> me as the Boro attacker skipped past Gray ( who was otherwise excellent) and 
> fired past Meslier 0-1 and barely a minute on the clock But just like 
> Wednesday this was just rattling our cage and waking the beast. Immediately 
> we took the game to them, Georginio had a shot saved by the keepers feet but 
> we kept the ball alive and byram crossed for Dan james , smallest player on 
> the pitch to head home. I has heard a stat earlier that he was the first 
> Welshman since John Charles to score in 4 consecutive home games - well now 
> its 5 - " no end product,  hah!" 
> We were not done yet as minutes later Gray got his own back by running down 
> the wing and crossing via a deflection,  for Summerville,  the second 
> smallest on the pitch to also head home. Complete turnaround and less thsn 10 
> mins gone. 
>  Boro showed they were the best side to visit and caused us problems,  even 
> coming  close when mes had to save with his feet and the rebound was blasted 
> over.
> We then hopefully put the game to bed when Georginio had his ankle grabbed - 
> penalty- and piroe showed how its done.Unfortunately they scored form a 
> simple corner on half time 3-2
> Second half not much happened- Georginio missed a chance, Bamford with mad 
> blonde hair nearly headed a 4th. They got a deserved red and almost an 
> undeserved equaliser but the ball ricocheted off Struik onto the post and 
> Rodon blocked  the follow up 
> So a good win v a decent team to continue our great home form
> Roll on Blackburn and my first away game since covid 
> 
> Dave 
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[LU] Venables

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A moment for ex-manager Terry Venables who died today. Didn’t achieve much for 
us - which probably says more about the chaos surrounding him - but was one of 
the best managers of his time, for many others.


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[LU] Fwd: Rotherham Game

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…and still, we gained a point on Ipswich. And it isn’t yet December.


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> From: Paul Cundell 
> Date: 26 November 2023 at 00:24:54 GMT
> To: John Lee 
> Cc: Leeds List 2010 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Rotherham Game
> 
> Tbf, again, they are mostly the same players - hence, I assume, Farke's
> safety first approach, but what do I know.
> Personally, I blame Sky comms for telling us that we'd always won when
> scoring first.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, 25 Nov 2023, 22:43 ,  wrote:
>> 
>> I think that’s a fair point Paul, although there was plenty of evidence to
>> suggest the tide might turn yesterday? I don’t think I was alone in not
>> being exactly gushing about some of our defender’s ‘abilities’ - all the
>> old doubts came back to worry me :-(
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 25 Nov 2023, at 22:06, Paul Cundell  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I think we're in danger of very quickly forgetting how badly we were
>> shipping goals pre-Farke.
>> 
>> On Sat, 25 Nov 2023, 21:46 Nicholas Armit via Leedslist, <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Totally agree! It is very frustrating.
>>> Nick
>>>On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:55:15 AM EST, John Lee via
>>> Leedslist  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think this insistence on re-setting the entire team every time we get
>>> possession, by playing it back to Cooper/Rodon/Meslier cripples one of our
>>> key strengths - our attacking speed. I would definitely have Gray in the
>>> middle, and I hope Farke is beginning to see that this ultra- cautious
>>> defensive set up is costing us points? There’s zero point in having 80%
>>> possession if 90% of that is within 30 yards of our goal!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On 25 Nov 2023, at 13:09, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
>>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
 
 Last night showed to me how much we need the creative midfield player
>>> to
 turn promising positions into the type of chances that even our strikers
 can’t miss.  Then pick whichever of Rutter, Piroe and Bamford looks like
 they may eventually score a goal. None of them does at the moment.
>>> Bamford
 in particular has missed the ball, missed a penalty and wandered
>>> offside in
 his last 3 significant contributions.
 
 I was looking forward to seeing Firpo last night to give the team an
 overlapping option down the left. Sadly it looks like his attacking,
 defending, desire and reliability to keep possession are lacking even at
 this level.
 
 Despite that Leeds are still probably 5 points ahead of where I expected
 them
 to be, considering the state of the squad when Farke came in, and at the
 end of the transfer window.
 
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Re: [LU] Everton

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Yeah, but it would have been Leicester staying up.

Still should sue them.

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> We should sue the bastards 
> https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/nov/17/everton-deducted-10-points-premier-league-guilty-financial-fair-play-breach?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
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Re: [LU] FT one nil to the mighty Leeds

[N H]

 Yes indeed, and by more. MOT!
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 06:01:02 PM EDT, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Get the fuck in Leeds!

Great save from Meslier at the end!

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Deserved to win this
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[LU] Fwd: Dog botherers

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Agreed Dave. That first half was as good as anything since Bielsa’s good days… 
although, Huddersfield were hapless. A special mention for the number 16 who is 
still rocking in a cupboard somewhere in the away changing room after trying to 
contain Summerville for 45 minutes.

I’ve got no problem with taking the foot off the gas and essentially ‘resting’ 
everyone, with Leicester coming up on Friday.

One thing to mention was how much off the pace the old guard looked when they 
came on Bamford, Cooper and especially Ayling.

I would hate to try and mark Rutter.


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> From: nattan--- via Leedslist 
> Date: 28 October 2023 at 16:48:40 BST
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] Dog botherers
> Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com" 
> 
> That was excellent  ( well first half anyway) we totally destroyed them for 
> 45 exhilarating minutes and then played the second half at half pace as we 
> criused to victory Everything that was poor in the turgid display on 
> Wednesday was brilliant today.We were on fire with Georginio and Summerville 
> unplayable as they attacked with pace and precision ably assisted by James 
> and Piroe and backed up by Ampadu and Kamara.It was scintillating stuff and 
> there was only ever going to be one winner after they did the stupid trick of 
> making us kick towards the Revie Stand first half, wow how that backfired 
> We were all over them and Piroe fired home only to be denied by an off side 
> flag. But it only delayed the inevitable as we took them apart.
> Georginio got the ball on the edge of our box, played a lovely weighted pass 
> to Summerville who controlled it with the outside of his foot and sprinted 
> forward before playinh it across to James who took a couple of touches and 
> fired home,  what a great counter attacking goal 
> Then Summerville was played into the box danced around a few players and put 
> it through the crowd of Huuds players and past the keeper . He loved it and 
> him and Gnonto ( who ran onto the pitch) did some weird dance in celebration 
> as he crowd went mad."F  off home and shag your dogs " echoed round the 
> stadium 
> Things went from great to sublime as we then rattled in 2 more, Summerville 
> carrying the ball from the half way line to the edge of the area and fed in 
> james for his second.  Georginio then danced into the box gave it to 
> Summerville who turned a couple of defenders inside out and out it in the 
> bottom corner . We were in heaven , Georginio was totally running the show
> Second half was a non event as we just kept the ball without doing much with 
> it , subs came on, Ayling,  cooper, Gnonto,  Anthony and Bamford  ( his name 
> was sung loud and proud,  Wednesday penalty a distant memory) Summerville 
> James and Georginio all went off to deserved ovations. Only sour note Rodon 
> limped off after treatment,  hope hes ok.
> They offered nothing until a long shot was spilled by Meslier and was put 
> into the net by a lad who looked well offside.  The game petererd out as we 
> treated it like a practice but all the damage had been done in the blistering 
> first half 
> No team in this division can live with Georginio Summerville and James when 
> they are on fire like this - it was class. Georginio is starting to look 
> worthy of every pennh of his fee, a real joy to watch
> Happy days - bring on Leicester 
> 
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Watford

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Aye all that Dave… “and Farke continues to impress, including with his first 
touch, brining down a high ball very neatly, before laying it off…”

Yesterday was good. 

Nick

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> On 24 Sep 2023, at 10:49, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Well the good times are back at ER , after the dross of last season and 3 
> draws this , we returned to winning ways, and how. It will never make up for 
> the play off final humiliation  but yesterday put Watford back in their box. 
> We hammered them   totally outclassed them from start to finish and 3-0 
> flattered them. 
> We did it with some lovely football and very good goals,  and Georginio was 
> at the heart of it all, fast becoming a fan favourite with his step overs , 
> fancy footwork and a huge smile on his face.  Not worth £30m ( very few , if 
> any,  are) but looking an excellent and exciting player at this level.
> Watford were as poor a side as i have seen for many a season but we made them 
> look worse as Ampadu and Kamara  ( looking a good buy on this evidence) 
> totally dominated possession and the midfield battle, allowing our flair 
> players to shine, Georginio,  Summerville and James , with 2 assists - would 
> have been 3 but Georginio missed a sitter and perhaps should have had a 
> penalty after being put through by an amazing ball by Piroe , end product at  
> last- did indeed shine,  and Piroe showed he is going to score loads 
> The defence was solid Byram and Shack marauding forward at times and busy 
> throughout , Cooper and Struik mopped everything up and Meslier,  such a 
> change after being bombarded with shots,  most of which he failed to save, 
> last season,  got out of his deckchair and put out his cigar ( so easy had 
> his afternoon been) to pull off a great save right at the end to keep a 4th, 
> count them, 1 2 3 4 clean sheet.
> Jaiden Anthony came on to top the afternoon off with 2 bits of skill, beating 
> 2 players and having a shot saved, then running onto Georginio' s brilliantly 
> weighted through ball to finish with aplomb , who the f is Sinisterra? 
> A great afternoon,  a bit nervy first half when a miss by Georginio , a 
> disallowed goal by the same player, and good saves from Ampadu  and 
> Summerville 3 times, had us wondering if this would be a repeat of the Sheff 
> Wed game.
> A great first goal , another to " copy and put in the book " settled nerves, 
> Georginio  beat 2 players, fed James who ran forward and picked out Piroe, 
> stood where the best goal hangers stand and he finished from a yard out. If 
> the result was ever in doubt that changed 3 minutes later when a James corner 
> was well met by Byram who headed home from the penalty spot.Then the icing on 
> the cake- Georginio got the ball in midfield beat a few defenders with an 
> audacious step over and other fantastic footwork to then feed Anthony who 
> fired home
> We knew August would be a car wreck, but we came through it relatively 
> unscathed in terms of results, and now have a team and manager who we can 
> grow to love and  who, on recent showings,  have enough quality and strength 
> in depth to really tear up this league. We won easily yesterday without Gray 
> and Rodon ( along with Ampadu) our players of the season,  and without 
> Gnonto.  We have still not seen  Cresswell this season or Bamford,  and Gruev 
> is still waiting to start, plus Spence
> Things are looking good and Farke cotinues to impress. 
> Happy times are back at ER
> 
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Re: [LU] Return to Yesteryear

[N H]

 
A fine innings so far, Sir. Keep it up. Cheers!On Saturday, September 2, 
2023 at 07:52:56 AM EDT, Brendan McWilliams  
wrote:  
 
 Happy Birthday John Boocock!

Have a(nother) great party!

All the best,

BMW


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Subject: Re: [LU] Return to Yesteryear

John,
I thought you were 80 ;-).

James.
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As part of my 70th Birthday year celebrations (my family have insisted

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Re: [LU] To who this may concern

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Cheers Scott,

Me, Niggy & Toby had dinner with her - eventually! - but Wiggy & Adie T were 
also at the pub… The Cross Keys, which for future reference has closed its 
kitchen and is in the process of cutting a deal with a Spanish restaurant 
nearby.

It was a good day except for the football.
Nick


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> On 2 Jun 2023, at 22:24, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys I’m not 100% who was there pretty sure Nick was, but a bunch of you 
> took  our Trace to the spurs game and made a special effort for her on her  
> birthday. You have no idea how much it meant to her. 
> Especially nicks dedication in his new book. 
> Very stylish lads. 
> Thank you. 
> 
> Best regards,Scott. 
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Re: [LU] Sam Gone!

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

   Really glad to hear that.

   Tracy got in touch with the club to get Dave’s name up there, but the
   font was so small we couldn’t read it / any of them from the Kop.

   Another shambolic thing.

   Nick
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 wrote:

   
   P.S. Watching the Tott match live (on TV) the camera swung round to
   show the list of the Leeds fans who had died over the last 12 months
   (and who were being applauded by players and crowd.) The shot only
   lingered on the list for a millisecond I was able to read and
   register one name only...and that name was David Dowden.
   On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 4:40 PM Nicholas Armit via Leedslist
   <[1]leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

  Not seen it yet as I was traveling. Not sure I want to put myself
 through that. The highlights were horrific enough.
 Nick
 On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 09:30:29 AM EDT, Nick
     <[2]n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
  Never wanted him anywhere near the club… busted flush years
 ago…dinosaur tactics / mentality
 His only use was an indicator of how far we have slipped in 15
 months
 Still, he has nicked off with half a million of our dosh, for sweet
 FA.
 Nick
 > On 2 Jun 2023, at 14:27, John Lee via Leedslist
 <[3]leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
 >
 > Glad to see the back of him to be honest Kev, and I suspect we’ll
 have an announcement re a new manager long before a month has
 passed? Quite what happens next will be intriguing.
 >
 > I finally got to watch the Spurs game this morning, having been
 away all week. Really, the defending is shocking - how can you leave
 Kane simply standing on his own?
 >
 > Irrelevant now, of course, but embarrassing!
 >
 > Sent from my iPad
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 >> On 2 Jun 2023, at 12:17, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist
 <[4]leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
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 >> So Fat Sam has gone then!
 >> I think that has put the nail in any prospect of an immediate
 return.
 >>
 >> Whilst never being delighted about him being there in the first
 place, if
 >> he’d been given a season, with a bit of authority over transfers
 during the
 >> ownership wrangle, we would at least have been able to start
 preparing for
 >> next year.  It is going to take at least a month to put anyone in
 place
 >> now, one would think, leaving very little time to get the players
 in to
 >> replace those who will leave.
 >>
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Re: [LU] Finally all over.

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

There’s no explanation / excuse for that line up.

Yesterday was a farce.

So many defenders and still 4 soft goals.

Also, perhaps the keeper wasn’t the problem after all.

Nick

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> On 29 May 2023, at 08:00, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
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> Can anyone explain that team Big Sam picked yesterday? 6 defenders ? And 
> then he came out with the same team for the 2nd half. I’m not blaming BS for 
> this mess but how on earth you can go into a game like this defensively 
> minded is beyond me.6 defenders and we’re 1 down within seconds. Desperate 
> day.
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023, 11:55 pm, Alec McQueen  wrote:
> 
> Time to try to clear the decks, but all depends on who they can persuade to 
> manage us in the Championship. It won’t be easy, and I foresee around 6th or 
> so next season. Leicester will come straight back up as Champions. 
> 
> The Rutter signing now looks utterly ridiculous from the perspective of the 
> Championship. What a waste. 
> 
> The main bright point: I think we signed quite a few good young players who 
> have been playing well in the U23s… if we can get them to stay, get them into 
> the first team asap, and sell/terminate the old guard. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 29 May 2023, at 08:15, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Meant to say we are ‘not quite’ in the same financial shit as with previous
>> relegations, so at least we’ll get good money for some of those who will
>> want to leave. The worry is that some of the rubbish won’t.
>> 
 On Sun, 28 May 2023 at 22:59,  wrote:
>>> 
>>> At least we are not in a Ridsdale scenario? Undoubtedly some
>>> average>hapless players bought, but we were gambling, and eventually our
>>> luck ran out. We deserve to go down, we have not been competitive enough
>>> consistently, and the club needs rodding through to clear the sh*te!
>>> 
>>> What comes next will be interesting to see - I’m really hoping some of the
>>> recently acquired ‘stars’ leave asap - I don’t see them even being
>>> Championship quality!
>>> 
>>> They think it’s all over - it is now! And thank god for that!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 28 May 2023, at 23:06, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
>>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
 
 Well that was underwhelming.
 The same individual defensive errors that have been prevalent for the
>>> last
 4 years have finally taken their toll.
 Coupled with the ability to give away possession softly when committing
 people forward which no manager pr team selection has been able to stop.
 
 Is anything remaining of the rise under Bielsa, or are we back to the 8
 years of dross that preceded him?
 
 Radrizani has sorted out a lot of stuff off pitch to be fair, and we are
>>> in
 the same financial shit as with previous relegations,  but his (and
>>> Orta’s
 before he left) decisions and actions around players and managers over
>>> the
 past few years have been abysmal. Somehow he now has to appoint the right
 people and sign the right players to reverse it.
 
 KOT
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Re: [LU] Firpo has one match ban

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Thanks Wiggy, if you could arrange for him to miss the Newcastle game, I think 
we’d all be grateful.

Nick

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> On 15 May 2023, at 12:48, Wiggy  wrote:
> 
> Matt wrote:
> 
>> I wasnt sure if it was a 2nd yellow or straight red - but both are one 
> game bans i think, so he could be back for Spurs.
> 
> Adam Pope just confirmed it was a second yellow (persistent misconduct), so 
> he'll just miss the Newcastle match.
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[LU] Twitter & Bamford

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Can’t get my head round the “Leeds fans” on Twitter telling Bamford to top 
himself and wishing bad stuff on his family.

These daft bastards were also singing for Gary Speed during the match.

It is a game of football.

Nick

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[LU] Fwd: Geordies

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Can we just take a moment to salute the ball-juggling part that Jack Harrison 
played in the first goal.

Rodrigo had to take that penalty.

Allardyce’s genius to pick both free scoring full backs in the same team, has 
to be acknowledged.

That 4 points dropped in the last two home games, and yet, and yet…when you 
look at who the other teams have got to play… it’s going down to the last game 
isn’t it?

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> Date: 13 May 2023 at 17:45:08 BST
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> Subject: [LU] Geordies
> Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com" 
> 
>  A point gained or more like 2 missed , only time will tell. Sam did what RW 
> had wanted for ages and dropped Roca, bringing in Greenwood for the first 
> half and Forshaw the second. Koch and Rodrigo were also recalled in place of 
> Gnonto. Robles kept his place in nets, and he loved every minute of it, 
> geeing up the crowd etc.We seemed to have 3 at the back with Wober, koch and 
> Krisetensen, Firpo and Ayling at wing  backs alongside Mckennie,  Harrison  
> Greenwood and Rodrigo with Bamford up top.
> It did work up to a point, apart from the 2 penalties I can only recall the 
> disallowed goal and a shot, well saved at the end, that can be called real 
> chances .
> They were nothing  special but we showed an inability to retain possession 
> and kept giving the ball away cheaply 
> Not much had happened when a cross was well met by Rodrigo,  the keeper saved 
> well but Ayling was on hand to smash home the rebound. A great start and the 
> crowd really got behind the team.
> The atmosphere was electric and we wondered if we could hold on for 80 mins 
> against a better team , especially given how wasteful we were in possession. 
> Then the game turned, Greenwood beat two men and fed the ball to Firpo as he 
> charged into the box and was brought down. 100% penalty.  " let Rodrigo take 
> it , oh no not Bamford " were the comments near me as Paddy stepped up , come 
> on 2 nil and we could win this.  Unfortunately the fans were correct as Paddy 
> took as weak a pen as you will ever see, no power and no placement,  keeper 
> dived the right way and made an easy save.Minutes later and Firpo was falling 
> in our area,  Wober missed the ball and brought down the attacker. Wilson 
> showed Bamford how it should be done and 2-0 was suddenly 1 -1 
>  A different game.
> Thankfully we clung on to half time still level.  The second half followed 
> the pattern of the first, with us under some pressure but nothing too bad. 
> WACCOE and Billy Bremner's barmy army,  echoed round the ground 
> Then an aimless cross into our box,  one of them screamed at the ref and off 
> it went to VAR , they called the ref to have a look and  bingo  they get 
> another penalty,  hand ball by Firpo. This one despatched down the middle 
> Fair play to the team, instead of folding as they have in  many recent games, 
>  they stuck to the task and after a bit of pinball,  it fell to Rasmus who 
> hammered a  deflected shot into the bottom corner.  2-2. Not what either side 
> wanted but let's us live to fight again , though we now probably need 6 pts 
> from 6.
> One final point, Newcastle are the worst set of divers I have seen this 
> season,  awful.
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Sunk

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

   Apparently we just set the record for most Prem goals conceded in a
   month, breaking the record held by… us, Feb 2022.

   Nick
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 On 30 Apr 2023, at 17:03, Simon McNally 
 wrote:

   

   Dreadful, an absolute shambles.
   At least we’ve got an easy game next ….
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   Subject: [LU] Sunk

   Well if this isn’t the sorriest shower of shite, I don’t want to see
   what is.
   Board - bunch of chancers who go lucky once (twice if you count
   Raphinha).
   Manager - simply clueless about what to do, what his best XI is, or the
   best formation
   Players - who have more or less given up…was there a bust up at half
   time v Palace?
   Still, we’ll get good money for Harrison, Gnonto, Adams, Sinisterra,
   Somerville
   And still have the remains of the lot that overperformed under Bielsa,
   and are now 3 years older and beaten.
   FFS
   Nick
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[LU] Sunk

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Well if this isn’t the sorriest shower of shite, I don’t want to see what is.

Board - bunch of chancers who go lucky once (twice if you count Raphinha).
Manager - simply clueless about what to do, what his best XI is, or the best 
formation
Players - who have more or less given up…was there a bust up at half time v 
Palace?

Still, we’ll get good money for Harrison, Gnonto, Adams, Sinisterra, Somerville
And still have the remains of the lot that overperformed under Bielsa, and are 
now 3 years older and beaten.

FFS

Nick

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[LU] Fwd: Prolonging the agony

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Hard to know what to say.

Our goal was pure class.

We almost scored at the end, but their keeper made a hell of a save.

Bamford’s miss.

But we needed to win that.

So we bring Aaronson on.

And leave Gnonto & Rutter on the bench.

It’s going to be a case of who is shitter, isn’t it?

Fucking grim

Nick


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> From: John Lee via Leedslist 
> Date: 25 April 2023 at 22:44:15 BST
> To: Leeds List 2010 
> Subject: [LU] Prolonging the agony
> Reply-To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
> 
> Not quite bad enough to lose, definitely not good enough to win, and so the 
> game of will we/won’t we goes on. A fair result in many ways, although how 
> Bamford didn’t score near the end I don’t know - he looked embarrassed 
> himself. That said, I also think he might have been offside?
> 
> Our passing was woeful at times. Roca was woeful much of the time! The 
> performance overall seemed more committed, albeit with little end product.
> 
> Giving Madison MOTM, with his diving, simulation and constantly whining to 
> the ref is everything that’s wrong with football.
> 
> I don’t understand Sinisterra’s physiology? It seems even the slightest touch 
> makes him give up. Great goal, but the flimsiest of players!
> 
> I still can’t see us staying up, but as long as it’s still possible there’s 
> still hope!
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Re: [LU] Any improvement?

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

We’ll go down for sure, if he keeps picking Aaronson, Roca & McKennie.

And not starting Gnonto.

We miss Adams.

Nick

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> On 23 Apr 2023, at 14:22, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Agree entirely John.  The team has gone back to the pre Bielsa years.
> Marsch’s system was such that some of the Bielsa spirit was still there.
> One iteration and a few signings on and it has all gone, and I’m not sure
> the players believe in whatever plan there is. I think it stems from the
> fact that Gracia was about 7th choice at the time, and the players kind of
> know it.
> KoT
> 
>> On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 00:03,  wrote:
>> 
>> I for one have no clue as to how we are trying to play, but whatever it is
>> it isn’t effective. Our midfield is clueless - I agree about Greenwood -
>> more of a presence than the others, and strikes a much better dead-ball. I
>> thought Aaronson showed some decent touches today, but the crumpling to the
>> deck act is infuriating and ridiculous. The shape of the team is all wrong,
>> and whoever thinks Rodrigo can lead the line is very, very wrong.
>> 
>> As for Gracia, he either doesn’t know what he’s doing, didn’t realise the
>> players limitations, or just cannot motivate them, but he isn’t working!
>> After only 10 games in charge the calm, considered responses now look like
>> hollow, vacuous confusion.
>> 
>> While there are still points to play for anything is possible, but I don’t
>> see us avoiding the drop this time round. Quite what the financial impact
>> of that will be, even given the parachute payment, I don’t know, but I
>> could see us near the bottom of the championship if some kind of fire-sale
>> has to take place.
>> 
>> Very depressing times!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Apr 2023, at 22:59, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d say a bit, but not much!
>>> Gracia made a few changes, but the worst midfield in the history of the
>>> premier league remained intact. Roca was a bit better today, but McKennie
>>> and Aaronson were abysmal.  Surely Gyabi and Greenwood could not have
>> been
>>> worse. I’ve never seen a team so vulnerable when attacking.  Nobody holds
>>> the opposition up when they are breaking and those caught forward are not
>>> trying hard enough to get back. Rodrigo is back to his worst from 18
>> months
>>> ago.
>>> Somehow they did actually put a bit of football together in the last 20
>>> mins, but the killer pass was always crap, even when it was not a
>> difficult
>>> one.
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Re: [LU] Scouse debacle

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Exactly that Dave, me and fellow ST holders round us reduced to wistful chat of 
the “Ah well, at least we had those years under Bielsa…” kind.

Nick

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> On 18 Apr 2023, at 10:49, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Well it doesn't get much worse than that. Forget it was liverpool, we were 
> playing a team in 8th place who had scored ZERO , NIL , NOT ONE  goals away 
> from home v bottom half teams this season.  Yet our plan was to sit back and 
> just let them have the ball, madness. Ok it sort of worked for 30 minutes but 
> the general feeling was one mistake would cost us the game , we did not 
> realise the mistake would be the referees, and we all knew this team could 
> not go 90minutes without making lots of mistakes 
> The first goal, always going to be crucial was a farce, I have heard that the 
> handball was too far away from the actual goal for VAR to bother . WTF  he 
> hand balls it , and 3 passes later it is our net - absolutely dreadful 
> decision 
> Having said that it is like the old joke where someone is moaning 2 of their 
> goals were offside in a 12-0 defeat.  
> Once we went behind we had no clue,  our only  bit of joy was when Sinisterra 
> ro bed their defender and finished with style. Game on we thought, but 2 
> minutes later it was game off. From that moment on it was just a case of how 
> many.
> We have messed up our GD stats in 3 games with minus 12 ( arse palace and 
> last night)
> Bit like the players I cant be bothered with the rest of the game other than 
> Summerville came on and looked lively, Forshaw came on and looked lost  , 
> Rutter came on and looked like he had never seen a football 
> Highlight of the evening 2 gobby scouse birds, who thought the whole carriage 
> wanted to listen to their inane filming of themselves arrived in Manchester 
> to find their only train home at 12.30am was cancelled- only time i smiled 
> all night
> So desperate times indeed,  somehow,  from somewhere we need at least 5 pts 
> from our next 3 games or we are down I reckon 
> The fun times under Bielsa feel a long time ago Dave
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[LU] Well

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

I’m just sitting here drinking, because that was as fucking woeful and clueless 
as anything I have ever seen in a Leeds shirt.

Dreadful. 

Only possibly Koch, Firpo and Harrison deserve to even be considered for the 
next game.

Nick



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Re: [LU] Worst 45 minutes for a long time

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Oh yeah, and if our fans are so great, why did half the fuckers leave at 3-1?

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> On 9 Apr 2023, at 17:42, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
> 
> After a pretty even first half. Both teams having chances to score more, but 
> then WTF happened. I mean, if they had called the game off at HT, and award 
> one point each, we would have felt robbed…
> 
> Roca & McKennie lost the midfield - Eze gave them a lesson. We stopped in 
> just about every department. Lost shape, confidence, movement, belief. It was 
> horrible.
> 
> Possibly the only ones with limited blame from the starting eleven would be 
> Firpo and maybe Harrison. But even that is a stretch.
> 
> Completely shocking. 
> 
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[LU] Worst 45 minutes for a long time

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

After a pretty even first half. Both teams having chances to score more, but 
then WTF happened. I mean, if they had called the game off at HT, and award one 
point each, we would have felt robbed…

Roca & McKennie lost the midfield - Eze gave them a lesson. We stopped in just 
about every department. Lost shape, confidence, movement, belief. It was 
horrible.

Possibly the only ones with limited blame from the starting eleven would be 
Firpo and maybe Harrison. But even that is a stretch.

Completely shocking. 

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Re: [LU] Concentrate on the league now!

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Yes, am puzzled by McKennie too… does lots of good stuff, well, right up until 
the last ball in an attacking position when it inevitably all goes to shit.

Also, Rasmussen last night proved that Ayling should be the right back for the 
rest of the season.

Rutter was unlucky - 1 soft disallowal, and 1 off the post.

Other than a much more on it midfield, there wasn’t much that could be done 
about either goal.

Ah, well. All will be forgotten when we do the double over Chelsea.

Nick

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> On 28 Feb 2023, at 22:05, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, some positive signs but some of the same old issues.
> Adams, for all the good work he does, is very limited when passing the ball 
> and that mistake that led to their first was dreadful.
> Same with McKennie. Good energy, got into decent areas but gives the ball 
> away too much it makes the wrong decision.
> I honestly forgot that Roca was playing until he gave the ball away. I don’t 
> care what the hipsters on social media say about “progressive passing” , he’s 
> shite.
> Not convinced by Jimmy for their second, or Kristienson or Meslier for that 
> matter.
> I thought Koch played well, Rutter looks like he’s getting sharper and 
> overall out shape looks better.
> If we could finish our chances we’d have been bang in that game though!
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 9:57:17 PM
> To: Leeds List 2010 
> Subject: [LU] Concentrate on the league now!
> 
> For 65 minutes some promising signs, albeit the same old problems/bad luck as 
> far as sticking it in the net! Fulham changed tactics, played a high press, 
> and we fizzled out.
> 
> For all the moaning about Bamford, Summerville is becoming my scapegoat at 
> times - he gets into good positions, but he misses loads. His feeble attempt 
> to block the shot for their 2nd was poor too.
> 
> Hey ho
> 
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Re: [LU] Gone- confirmed by pope

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Yep. 

Leeds doing it weird again. Back the manager with big spending in the 
window…then sack him. But 2 wins in 18 is hard to defend. 

Is it to be Carlos C or the second coming?

Nick

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> On 6 Feb 2023, at 14:47, nattan--- via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
>  Seen Adam pope confirm on twitter 
>On Monday, 6 February 2023 at 14:37:37 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Jessie gone ! 
> According to some Twitter reports but I remember them reporting Peter Lorimer 
> was dead when he wasn't.
> Waiting for official confirmation from Popey and Hay 
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Re: [LU] Dave Dowden.

[N H]

 Thank you, John, for the tasteful delivery of sad news.
RIP Dave and my condolences to family and friends around the world.
Cheers,
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 02:24:27 PM EST, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 
Beautifully done John


A sad loss - i have mates who still think South Leeds runs on a pork pie 
based economy

David's Lards performances will remain legendary - even when he prepared 
for them by cycling there - from another country

Matt


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Sent: Monday, 9 Jan, 23 At 19:18
Subject: Re: [LU] Dave Dowden.
Thanks John,
A huge loss…any man that can negotiate years of parking at ER at the 
cost of a pork pie a time, is a genius…twisted perhaps, but a genius 
nonetheless.
Nick
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On 9 Jan 2023, at 19:10, John Boocock  wrote:
Dear all,
Quite a few of you will know that lister and member of the Leeds Lards 
worldnet team, Dave 'Lido' Dowden has been ill with cancer this past two 
years. His illness finally got the better of him late on Sunday night. 
He was at home with his family having turned what was a six month 
assessment into two very full years.
Those of you who knew Dave would know that he was a devoted Leeds fan 
but there was so much more to him. He was a munroist, he enjoyed 
cycling, and took an active part in politics in Pudsey. In recent years 
he was a leading light in the Pudsey Greenside Greenway project. He also 
liked a good fire!
A committed traveller, there were few places he had not visited and 
anyone who shared those trips will confirm that they were always er, 
eventful. He made many of the matches abroad during our most recent 
European campaigns and quite a few of us shared those trips. (Anyone 
going to the Barca game will remember him and Chris Fitz staying above a 
sex shop which they were convinced was run by nuns).
I can not begin to list all the adventures, stories and mishaps he was 
involved in (he was short of a big toe after an accident with a lawn 
mower). One thing I can say is they were many. Maybe one day someone 
will collect them.
Anyway, he now joins the other listers in the great list retirement home 
in the sky. Dave was a one off and will never be forgotten.
Betty
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Re: [LU] Dave Dowden.

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Thanks John,

A huge loss…any man that can negotiate years of parking at ER at the cost of a 
pork pie a time, is a genius…twisted perhaps, but a genius nonetheless.

Nick

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> On 9 Jan 2023, at 19:10, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Quite a few of you will know that lister and member of the Leeds Lards 
> worldnet team, Dave 'Lido' Dowden has been ill with cancer this past two 
> years. His illness finally got the better of him late on Sunday night. He was 
> at home with his family having turned what was a six month assessment into 
> two very full years.
> 
> Those of you who knew Dave would know that he was a devoted Leeds fan but 
> there was so much more to him. He was a munroist, he enjoyed cycling, and 
> took an active part in politics in Pudsey. In recent years he was a leading 
> light in the Pudsey Greenside Greenway project. He also liked a good fire!
> 
> A committed traveller, there were few places he had not visited and anyone 
> who shared those trips will confirm that they were always er, eventful. He 
> made many of the matches abroad during our most recent European campaigns and 
> quite a few of us shared those trips. (Anyone going to the Barca game will 
> remember him and Chris Fitz staying above a sex shop which they were 
> convinced was run by nuns).
> 
> I can not begin to list all the adventures, stories and mishaps he was 
> involved in (he was short of a big toe after an accident with a lawn mower). 
> One thing I can say is they were many. Maybe one day someone will collect 
> them.
> 
> Anyway, he now joins the other listers in the great list retirement home in 
> the sky. Dave was a one off and will never be forgotten. 
> 
> Betty
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Re: [LU] last night

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I did Matt, well spotted. I think you are correct in all the rest as well.

Cheers
Nick 

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> On 5 Jan 2023, at 15:47, MATTHEW GAYNOR  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> .
> And you've left out Sinisterra who i suspect is the best of all our attackers
> Given that Jesse seems to prefer Aaronson out wide, we've basically got 5 
> wide players for a team that tries to play everything through the middle.
> The best No.10 at the club was probably Klich but we've let him go as his 
> knack of holding the ball and passing to a player in a wide shirt isnt what 
> we want to do anymore.
> 
> Matt
> 
> ---
> 
> So if we have everyone fit, our choice of forwards is: Rodrigo (leading 
> scorer this season); Gnonto (a class apart); Summerville (developing into a 
> real threat); Harrison (when he’s good he’s very good, when he’s not… 
> nevertheless he has a great record of assists); Aaronson (lightweight, 
> unproven but flickers of quality); Bamford (mainly injured, but when not a 
> good premier league #9); Gelhardt (looks like dynamite when given 10 minutes 
> from the bench; given 90 minutes seems to struggle for impact - but clearly 
> looks like a bright future is there for the taking)
> 
> That’s 3 who are mainly left wingers and only Aaronson on the right. Gelhardt 
> who no one seems to trust to start a game. Rodrigo who is all heart and doing 
> well as the front man but who we know will get pushed back to a “false 9” 
> position once we get a “proper #9”. Its a mess. And yet there are some really 
> good players in there.
> 
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Re: [LU] Meslier - Spurs

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A good young keeper, behind a porous defence.

Nick


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> On 13 Nov 2022, at 17:18, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> 
> 
> 7 from 33 is a bad return
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:58:35 AM EST, Nick 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Having just watched the MOTD playback, I just wanted to express some sympathy 
> for our Keeper, the records show he let 4 in, when in reality there was 
> nothing he could do about the first 3:
> 
> 1 - a clear foul - that it is not even (apparently) looked at by VAR is 
> ludicrous, especially when you consider Bamford’s disallowed effort vs 
> Arsenal 3 weeks ago.
> 
> 2 - having moved across the goal to cover the first effort, there is a 
> clearance that falls to some guy in 10 yards of space on the edge of the box, 
> his shot goes beyond Meslier, moving back across goal when Rasmus on the line 
> tries to clear it, kicks it into Meslier and that bounces into the goal
> 
> 3 - a deflected shot (when the guy should been closed down again).
> 
> 
> Feel real sorry for the keeper.
> 
> Still, 6 points from those 3 games is not a bad return.
> 
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Villains

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I think it’s a bit more nuanced, if we can get a head of steam up, then the 
movement is there, and the ball pings about and we look dangerous. If the game 
is broken up and that gets stymied, then we look pedestrian. This is what 
Wolves & Everton did and Villa copied that blueprint - all dreadful opponents. 
I can’t imagine being happy watching that way of playing.

Crying out for a Pablo-type who does the unexpected, sees the pass etc - Adams 
is very good at breaking up the opposition play - and full of running - but we 
lack the killer pass, the swift change of direction. Perhaps Rosa will deliver 
that, perhaps Bamford movement will help.

In other thoughts, now that Ayling appears to be fit, I hope Rasmussen is moved 
to the bench.

And what of Joffy, now we have Rodrigo, Bamford, our new Italian guy, not to 
mention Perkins scoring easy as breathing in the U-21s?

Nick

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> On 3 Oct 2022, at 17:06, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
>  I am very concerned about the lack of movement. Everything seems so static. 
> Bielsa's team also played out from the back but there was constant motion in 
> front of the defence to create the opportunity to move the ball. Now we just 
> seem to stand still and wait for the punt forward. Maybe on TV I am not 
> seeing the movement but it appears that way.
> Nick
>On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 07:08:43 AM EDT, John Lee via Leedslist 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Pretty accurate assessment - it was definitely up there in terms of worst 
> games (both sides included) I’ve seen in many a year. Marsch now knows how 
> teams who are battling will play at Elland Rd - diving, wasting time, nagging 
> the ref etc. We have to try and play some football! The continual playing it 
> across the backline only for Cooper/Meslier to hoof it long underscores our 
> lack of creativity playing from the back. Much as Llorente has been a 
> defensive liability of late, he breaks forward well, as does Struijk if at 
> centre back. That is a problem that needs working on. 
> 
> I absolve none of the players for sinking down to Villa’s depths yesterday - 
> apart from maybe Bamford who we desperately need to be involved from the 
> start of games. The ref was poor, but we aided and abetted our own demise. 
> Ditto the fans, who’s constant singing of ‘Tyrone Mings - f***ing sh*t’ must 
> have been music to their ears! 
> 
> Sinisterra looked the only likely one to break the deadlock, so to see him 
> fall foul of a nit-picking referee like that was infuriating, but just about 
> summarised the afternoon.
> 
> We got a point when we may have got beaten so that was good.
> 
> Finally, and I know this will not be a universally held view, but the time 
> for a player to be sacrificed against Villa has come - by sacrificed I mean 
> they should cripple McGinn! That f***er is going to end someone’s career 
> before long, and we need to get our retaliation in first. I don’t mean just 
> foul him either - broken leg/legs - he’s a twat who needs sorting out! 
> 
> Love, peace and United :-) 
> 
> 
>> On 3 Oct 2022, at 10:27, nattan--- via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well you can add Villa to Everton and Wolves to the list of teams who , if 
>> they were playing in my garden I would draw the curtains rather than watch.
>> This was a real game of two halves and both were terrible in different ways.
>> Villa showed in the first minute what their game plan was, waste time, take 
>> minutes out of the match, dive, whinge , play act and get at the ref.  First 
>> free kick of the game and one of theirs kicks the ball from the half way 
>> line to behind our goal after the whistle has blown, the inept ref has a 
>> quiet word, no card. Later Pantomime villain ( pun intended) Mings, picks 
>> the ball up to take a free kick then leaves it , then goes back to it , all 
>> just time wasting and killing the game. Add the fact that they rolled around 
>> after every tackle and they were constantly at the ref and you get the 
>> general impression that they were not here to play football. 
>> We did nothing to help ourselves in the main because we got involved in all 
>> the petty squabbles and mini vendettas, rather than playing football 
>> When we did play, Sinisterra looked a real handful and Roca pulled the 
>> strings. Having said that  a thunderbolt by the otherwise poor Rodrigo that 
>> flew just wide and a cross into the 6 yd box that he just failed to get on 
>> the end of was all we had to show for a turgid first half.  Villa had 2 or 3 
>> breakaways saved / smothered by Mes.
>> On the concourse at half time I heard one lad say " that's the worst game I 
>> have ever seen" . I am sure I have seen worse but it was dire.
>> Second half and all to play for till stupidity by Sini cost us the chance of 
>> 3 points. Having seen it on TV it was a ridiculous thing to do and many refs 
>> would give a yellow,  though more would have given a warning rather than a 
>> second yellow however 

Re: [LU] Wolves

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Plus…when did we last have a positive goal difference?

Nick

> 
> Anyone able to find the new rule that says Keepers can punch forwards in the 
> face and not give away a penalty?
> 
> Thought not.
> 
> Good three points. New lads look promising.
> 
> Nick
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Re: [LU] D Day

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I know what you’re saying Dave, but I don’t agree that today will decide how we 
remember Bielsa. It will decide whether it was ‘all for nought’. 

The first 3 years brought us both brilliant football, and a sense of pride in 
the way it was achieved: he showed that it was still possible to do things the 
right way on and off the field. To me there was an element of grace to it - not 
a word often associated with Leeds.

JM doesn’t bring that and whatever the results today (and it is a 38 game 
season) it is unfair to expect that from him. Staying up being the natural / 
default desire of any team in our position, but without massive change it will 
likely mean we will be in for another season like this one…without our best 
players. Going down might give us a better season to watch as a supporter.

To be honest though, what I’ll miss if we do go down is the joy not the 
‘status’, and that has gone either way.

Nick

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> On 22 May 2022, at 10:20, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Well today is D day for Bielsa and his legacy - does he go down in history 
> as the man who got us back on track or just as a 3 season oasis in a sea of 
> mediocrity?I will always admire and respect him and he will go down as my 
> favourite ever manager ( 31 and counting) both for what he did on the pitch 
> and his persona and behaviour off it ( like Chile fans I count myself as a 
> Bielsa 'widow') . However relegation today makes his football achievements as 
> just a footnote. 
> There is no point debating if he would have kept us up although one of my 
> concerns for today is the fact that Marsch only has one result that was 
> unexpected- a victory at wolves away- and I am not sure how much credit he 
> actually deserves for that one?Wins over Norwich and Watford are to be 
> expected,  as are defeats v Man city, Chelsea and Arsenal,  so it is whether 
> the draws v Southampton,  Palace and Brighton are good points or should and 
> would have been better under Bielsa - but as I say a pointless debate. All 
> that counts now is what happens today - if we stay up I will give Jesse the 
> credit and hope he goes on to better things with us, and I will also thank 
> him for protecting Bielsa's legacy , if we go down then the blame is to be 
> spread around .
> I want us to stay up but as my wife keeps saying " you enjoyed the 
> championship,  you will win more, and you will be going to games whatever  so 
> it makes little difference " - all true , but fuck me, relegation will hurt 
> Dave 
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[LU] Stats

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Apparently we have won 4 league games at ER this season: our worst ever return.

Four.

Nick

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[LU] That was dreadful

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The single redeeming feature was Watfords draw.

The players look lost, the club is drifting, the previous three years’ effort 
going up in smoke.

Fuck sake.

Nick

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Re: [LU] VIlla

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Agree with that Rich - I swear if I have to watch another lofted ball from 
Koch, dropped into the box from 50 yards out, with no one in sight but their 
keeper…

How bad was that? I left bang on the whistle and walked straight on to the 
first bus in the station and got a seat…no mad queues watching the first 5 or 6 
buses leave, all the folk buzzing and chattering about something brilliant in 
the game. Flat. We have forgotten what it was like before and become inured.

A wise woman once sang ‘you don’t know what you got til it’s gone’.

Nick

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> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:15, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Couldn't get to sleep last night after that performance. Yes I felt it was 
> time for Bielsa to go but not to be replaced by this, which is the worst of 
> Heckingbottom, Blackwell and Warnock. Marsch has a difficult job but when it 
> was said that he is the ideal person to replace Bielsa because he plays the 
> same pressing, attacking style nothing could be further from the truth. 
> He is trying to make us compact by packing the midfield and bringing the 
> wingers more central. This totally negates any attacking options we have. We 
> were all about fast movment from defence to attack, down the wings with 
> overlapping wing backs. That's gone, Bielsa ball is dead and we're left with 
> midfielders who are not midfielders on the ball not knowing what to do. As 
> performances go that's the most clueless I've seen us since the Heckingbottom 
> days. Ok we've suffered some bad defeats under Bielsa recently but in those 
> games we kept going and still created chances. We didn't create anything that 
> troubled their keeper last night. The crowd got on the backs of the players 
> and when their 3rd went in a chant of Marcelo Bielsa echoed around the ground 
> and then a large number of fans actually left. The ground was half empty by 
> the final whistle. 
> A bloke behind me shouted "This is the sort of shit we used to see before 
> Bielsa came" - he was spot on. Clueless, pedestrian with players playing out 
> of position. Koch is a disaster in midfield. All the fans can see it but yet 
> the coach can't. Bielsa was the same although I'd argue he had a specific 
> role ('the Philips') role which is more of a sweeper  whereas Marsch is 
> playing Koch as a fully fledged midfielder who was actually playing in an 
> advanced role at times and actually had one of our best chances second half. 
> In a true central defender playing in midfield style he blasted into the safe 
> seating rail section (whatever the feck that is !?).
> Then we've got Ayling playing a centre back. Who told Marsch that Ayling was 
> a centre back ? Yes he filled in at times under Bielsa but only when we've 
> had injuries to most of our central defenders. Now we've got a German 
> international defender playing in midfield and a Spanish international 
> defender on the bench. Surely Ayling to right back, Koch to central defence 
> and Dallas into midfield would have been the obvious ?
> Ayling and Struijk for me would worry me in the championship but against 
> Countinho and Ings we're always going to be in trouble. It could have been 
> more than 3. Struijk continues to disappoint me and he was skinned badly on 
> one occassion. I don't think he's premiership ... yet 
> The main problem for Marsch is that he's packing the midfield but we haven't 
> got any midfielders ! He's a manager who needed to get players in January to 
> meet his tactics. There's little point in asking Raph to play central 
> midfield which is where he found himself. 
> My overall view is of complete depression knowing that the Bielsa years are 
> over and we're back to this type of football. Maybe Marsch will get it right 
> in the Summer but I just can't see him turning this team around and playing 
> the tactics he wants. Bamford will help but is he fit ? 
> We need to get behind the players and manager for the Norwich game. THe crowd 
> were quick to get on their backs last night and the boos at half-time were 
> the loudest for many a year. There was no 2nd half rallying after the initial 
> promising 10 mins and we threw in the towel. 
> It's going to be hard. 
> scores:
> Miesler - 7. Some decent saves  to keep us in it first half 
> Dallas - 4. Really struggled at right back 
> Firpo - 1. He's been a disaster. Eitehr injured or ineffective. Always 
> fouling and getting booked because he doesn't know how to defend. He's njured 
> now and I think that's the best for the team. We have missed Allioski this 
> season. I'dtry to get him back but then again Marsch would probably play him 
> in central midfield. 
> Sruijk - 3. Passsing poor, defending poor. Has been poor for a few games now. 
> 
> Ayling - 5. At least he put some tackles in and tried to push forward but 
> he's no central defender 
> Forshaw - 4. That was his worst game for Leeds
> Koch - 2 Awful / out of position 
> Raphinha - 6. Our best player on the 

[LU] Abject

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

That was fucking abject.

Still at least 4 players out of position. Dallas had his worst game in a Leeds 
shirt.

We cannot rely on everyone else being as bad as us.

Nick

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Re: [LU] Fwd: Official hes gone

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

This is day that sealed the departure on Kalvin, Raphinha, Meslier, Struijk, 
Bamford, probably Rodrigo, Koch and Gelhardt.

That level-headed enough for you?

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> On 27 Feb 2022, at 12:11, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> Guys, let us be clear-headed. 
> Marcelo, the man, is one thing. But as to our nigh on the moribund state -- 
> was he part of the problem or part of the solution? No one knows-so why 
> gamble? 
> It took courage to hire him and the same courage to fire him.  
> We need to accept the decision and move forward. 
> 
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Ted
> Sent: Sunday, 27 February 2022 14:01
> To: Robert Heath 
> Cc: Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Official hes gone
> 
> I'm absolutely gutted.
> Not only a shameful decision by Radrizzani but a wrong one in my opinion.
> 
> I loved everything about Bielsa - we'll never see the like of him again.
> These last 3 to 4 years has been brilliant, it just won't be the same.
> 
> I'm seriously thinking of jacking it in.
> 
> Ted H
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Official hes gone

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Me too, Ted, me too.

With Bielsa it was about love and honour, and they have shown the only they 
have is for the dollar sign. Fuck them.

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> On 27 Feb 2022, at 12:01, Ted  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm absolutely gutted.
> Not only a shameful decision by Radrizzani but a wrong one in my opinion.
> 
> I loved everything about Bielsa - we'll never see the like of him again.
> These last 3 to 4 years has been brilliant, it just won't be the same. 
> 
> I'm seriously thinking of jacking it in.
> 
> Ted H
> 
> 

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[LU] We’re in trouble

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Clueless, shapeless without a leader on the field, trying to play a system that 
the defenders don’t understand, which leaves them exposed…Ayling man to man on 
Son was laughable today…Son just dragged him all over but he never got within 5 
yards of him. And this is the problem - man to man works if the players are 
individually evenly balanced. Son is world class, Ayling is good Championship… 

So Son beats Ayling, they have a man over and everyone is in panic mode. At 
least zonally there is a shape and a coherence. 

We could have had 4 today…woodwork twice, Dallas froze when through on goal and 
Ayling missed a sitter of a header…that’s before we mention James or Rodrigo or 
Dallas’s shots…but they could have had 7. Meslier made three or four top drawer 
stops.

Meslier - kid will be good, but he has to be given a chance.
Ayling, Klich, James and Harrison are out of their depth…but OK when the 
confidence is good. Dallas, is on the edge of this club too.
Llorente was very good last year…he is currently defending like Frank Spencer 
in a gale.
Firpo is either great or a liability, and there’s no way to determine which one 
will turn up.
Struijk has been our best defender, I don’t know why he was taken off.
Koch, is a defender not a midfielder.
Forshaw was worth his place today, but he can’t stem the tide alone.
Rodrigo came on and gave it a go. But he is a 10 if he’s anything, not a 9.

Raphinha will leave at the end of the season, whether we stay up or not. He 
can’t let what he has be squandered like this week after week.

That’s 12 goals conceded without reply, in less than 2.5 games.

We need to make the last 11 games a season of their own and pray for some luck.

I still stick with Bielsa because no one will do any better with these players. 
But the dressing room needs winning back - they need belief again and a system 
that they can play to that works…

The return of Kalvin and Bamford and Cooper can’t come too soon.


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[LU] Today

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Just to say Hjelde had a good game. 

Nick

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Re: [LU] West Ham 1 Leeds 0 33 mins

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Offside goal. 

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> On 9 Jan 2022, at 14:38, john  wrote:
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Re: [LU] Has April fools day come early?

[N H]

 Right back at ya, old lad and to the rest of the list! Cheers...
On Sunday, December 26, 2021, 08:07:28 AM EST, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 Merry Xmas and a Happy, successful, New year to all.

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Subject: Re: [LU] Has April fools day come early?

All the best Damian, and everyone else. Still feeling slightly relieved that 
our game is postponed tomorrow.Merry Christmassing on together people.BettySent 
from the passenger seat of an imaginary Austin A40..
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Date: 25/12/2021  19:59  (GMT+00:00) To: leedslist  
Subject: Re: [LU] Has April fools day come early? Just seen this post - sorry 
for the delay :)Merry Christmas everybody - here's wishing that Sr. Bielsa will 
see itthrough, which means at least another year.Fat Frank? 'ck Off!MOT 
DamianOn Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 3:19 PM nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:>  I quite often go on newsnow Leeds United page 
and then try and avoid the> click bait headlines but the latest was just too 
enticing- supposedly Frank> Lampard is the Betfair bookmakers favourite to take 
over from Bielsa> WTF Replce Bielsa with Fat Frank ,- words fail me>> Frank 
Lampard - 5/2>> Jorge Sampaoli - 6/1>> Marcelino - 8/1>> Lee Bowyer - 8/1>> 
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Re: [LU] Arse

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Thanks for the report Dave, reflected how I felt leaving the game. Shame about 
that 4th goal, we had a bit of fight for a while around the time we scored. I 
felt quite sorry for some of the younger players - what an environment to have 
to step into, but I thought they all performed at least creditably. I 
particularly liked the way Drameh at R Back didn’t let it all phase him - 
because he had some difficult moments but he dug in and made some decent 
contributions. Gelhardt took a difficult game with thin pickings on the chin 
and kept at it, causing problems right to the end…but yeah, our player of the 
year so far has to be Meslier. If he goes into the Physio’s room it will be for 
shellshock.

Onwards with MB.

Nick

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> On 19 Dec 2021, at 11:48, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Weird to say that my thought  on leaving the ground was how proud I am to be 
> Leeds . The fans, all game, but especially last 10 minutes and the 5 after it 
> finished showed how we are in fact special . Brighton were booed off after a 
> 0 0 draw with us, I saw Everton players receiving so much abuse from their 
> travelling fans they stopped half way to applauding them , scum fans rushing 
> for the exits with 20mins to go etc, and yet here we were 1-4 down being 
> hammered following our biggest defeat in living memory and yet 90%of fans 
> stayed to the end and beyond with all four stands proudly singing Bielsas 
> name “ and we all love Leeds” - amazingLike many the latest covid outbreak 
> made me ( or at least my wife) consider if I should even go - we compromised 
> on me staying out of the pub to limit the risk , so I could easily have come 
> home wishing I had not bothered - instead I was so pleased to have been there 
> not watching on tv
> As for the match - we were hammered , with only 4 outfield players being part 
> of our best XI -  Raph , Forshaw , Dallas and Ayling, with the latter two out 
> of position, it was always going to be hard v a resurgent Arsenal. We made it 
> even harder for ourselves as our experienced players had nightmares , Klich 
> the main culprit, and we kept giving the ball away. 
> The only good takeaways on the pitch were Meslier who kept it down to 4 and 
> Gelhardt who has to become a regular starter
> We will be stuffed by Liverpool and then come the games that will proove if 
> we are done or staying up - especially Newcastle and Burnley st home , win 
> them and we will be fine , and if the fans stay behind them as they were 
> yesterday then with a few players getting fit we can win both
> Not much else to say - once again Arsenal put 4 past us like they used to in 
> Thierry Henry’s day, so who cares
> “We all love Leeds “ enough said 
> Dave
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[LU] Late penalties…

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

In the scheme of things, while the Chelsea one was a bastard (and a dodgy 
bastard at that), when you think about the point it cost us, versus the 2 
points gained vs Palace, we are a point better off than we would have been 
without both.

Nick

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[LU] Hellerball Re coach22

[N If]

I guess its interesting times for Marcelo and i hope he has the appetite
for the challenge.

Has he been found out? (i fancy he has the wherewithal to fathom suitable
tweaks to plan A whilst maintaining the spirit and passion of the beautiful
game he loves and the world loves too).
Has the upward trajectory, the belief, the desire begun to wane in his
group and can the be reinstilled...is it time to consider a more committed
jaunt at batch 2: the youth the llorentes jameses and firpos and find a new
group to inspire..albeit at a much higher , premier league, altitude?
Wasnt it after his first season that he spoke about it being difficult for
the players to reach the same heights another year.. they magnificently
proved him wrong for those two glorious years.
Anyway, its all speculation, i just hope he remains engaged and with us for
as long as he sees the way.  For me, and i adored the Don and Wilko in
their primes, but Bielsa has been the best of them all.

xx
Nif
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Re: [LU] view from the Kop

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Definitely take that point about the man marking system, Matt…so perhaps it 
should not be that Firpo was out position, more that there was huge gap into 
which Bowman moved and no one was within 20 yards…either way, it was a gift…and 
not mention allowing him then to cut back onto his left foot.

Nick

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> On 27 Sep 2021, at 14:42, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I think Firpo has a bit of tendency to follow the ball once an attack breaks 
> down, which can lead him into some unexpected positions.
> But having said that with the Bielsa man-marking system - just because a gap 
> appears that doesnt necessarily mean that the player in that position is at 
> fault - as he may have 'correctly' followed his man elsewhere.
> 
> Matt
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Nicholas Armit via Leedslist" 
> On one of the podcasts they were saying that the team were shouting at 
> Harrison as in that attack he was his man (?)
> Nick
>On Monday, September 27, 2021, 07:39:29 AM EDT, Wiggy 
>  wrote:
> Nick wrote:
> Yeah, on Firpo, I hadn’t how badly out of position
> he was for their first goal, until I saw the
> playback yesterday…that was woeful.
> Yup, Alan and I had the same chat at the time. He wondered where the f**k he 
> was to let the cross over, and I was surprised to spot him on the edge of the 
> 6 yard box…
> Given what we also saw against Fulham, we need the likes of Cooper etc to 
> reign him in a bit to stop his random wanderings…
> Wiggy.
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Re: [LU] W Ham as seen from the Kop

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Yeah, on Firpo, I hadn’t how badly out of position he was for their first goal, 
until I saw the playback yesterday…that was woeful.

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> On 26 Sep 2021, at 22:34, bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> 
> A very upbeat assessment Nick - I really hope that is the reality?
> 
> Firpo seems continuously out of position, but then so did/do Alioski and 
> Ayling for much of the time. I think there’s hope yet, but he’s getting 
> plenty of stick!
> 
> That said, imagine if Klich had scored with half the shots he’s had in the 
> last couple of games - our inability to hit a ball harder or on target is a 
> problem we have yet to solve this season, Rapha aside. Hoping they get some 
> shooting practice in this week!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 26 Sep 2021, at 10:20, "n...@6haroldplace.co.uk" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> In all the grumbling forgot to say, our goal was a peach…passing move down 
>> the left, two balls square across the box (Rodrigo & Klich?)… for Raph to 
>> place in the bottom corner from the edge of the box.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On 26 Sep 2021, at 10:05, Nick  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If they hadn’t had that last minute winner I would feel that this was a 
>>> pretty good day at the office - 7 first teams injuries, playing two 
>>> relatively inexperienced youngsters - a bench of 12 year olds - against a 
>>> seasoned team having a pretty good start. One all would have felt OK. This 
>>> doesn’t.
>>> 
>>> At 1-0, we hit the post (Raphinha again - they didn’t know what to do about 
>>> him, so they kicked him, when they could catch him); had a good penalty 
>>> shout turned down and missed two or three more decent chances. The came 
>>> their disallowed goal. A high ball in, several people go up, Meslier is in 
>>> a heap on the ground, someone bundles in the goal. Leeds players are 
>>> incensed, WHam players seem uncertain. They go to VAR - and show it on the 
>>> big screen, which I didn’t think was how it was done - the video clearly 
>>> shows their #9 leading with his elbow and smashing it through Meslier’s 
>>> face - the keeper’s head snaps back on impact - so the goal is disallowed, 
>>> the Leeds crowd is going mental for a red card for their guy, instead he 
>>> gets a yellow.
>>> 
>>> Minutes later their #9 clatters Cooper, again with his elbow. A bookable 
>>> offence…not this time.
>>> 
>>> Then someone follows through on Meslier - who apparently had to change his 
>>> shirt after the first incident, and I can only guess that that was because 
>>> of blood - there’s no foul given. Meslier goes nuts at the ref and earns a 
>>> yellow card.
>>> 
>>> Finally they get a deserved equaliser - the pressure has been good and 
>>> sustained - but the manner of it was less so, apparently a double 
>>> deflection (we couldn’t see what happened), eventually going in off Firpo’s 
>>> backside.
>>> 
>>> Then with 5 minutes of injury time clocked up, their #9 muscles through and 
>>> scores the winner. Cue mini pitch invasion by the W Ham fans.
>>> 
>>> That’s the bones of it. We were the better team in the first half. Although 
>>> both sides created and wasted good chances / half-chances. Cresswell stood 
>>> up and wrestled with that #9 all game and had a really solid game. He’s a 
>>> definite on the team sheet for Watford. He was a little nervous in some of 
>>> his distribution later in the game, when there was less movement ahead of 
>>> him, but that’s about the only fault, I can find and that is being picky. 
>>> Cooper would now be my 5th choice (perhaps even 6th after Kalvin…) centre 
>>> half. 
>>> 
>>> W Ham spent the whole game battering Meslier and Raphinha - every corner 
>>> they got that #9 was leaning on the keeper trying to rough him up. The ref 
>>> pulled him up a couple of times.
>>> 
>>> Once Raphinha went off, we had no real outlet - Rodrigo, Harrison, Roberts 
>>> combined didn’t give the team what Raph or Bamford on their own usually do. 
>>> And we just fell deeper and deeper.
>>> 
>>> Meslier - had a sterling game in very difficult circumstances - deserved 
>>> better protection from the referee - that was a red card challenge. Made 
>>> several good saves.
>>> Shackleton - well, I think that is the best right back performance this 
>>> season - mobile, good challenging and positional play - not the tallest, so 
>>>

Re: [LU] W Ham as seen from the Kop

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

In all the grumbling forgot to say, our goal was a peach…passing move down the 
left, two balls square across the box (Rodrigo & Klich?)… for Raph to place in 
the bottom corner from the edge of the box.

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> On 26 Sep 2021, at 10:05, Nick  wrote:
> 
> If they hadn’t had that last minute winner I would feel that this was a 
> pretty good day at the office - 7 first teams injuries, playing two 
> relatively inexperienced youngsters - a bench of 12 year olds - against a 
> seasoned team having a pretty good start. One all would have felt OK. This 
> doesn’t.
> 
> At 1-0, we hit the post (Raphinha again - they didn’t know what to do about 
> him, so they kicked him, when they could catch him); had a good penalty shout 
> turned down and missed two or three more decent chances. The came their 
> disallowed goal. A high ball in, several people go up, Meslier is in a heap 
> on the ground, someone bundles in the goal. Leeds players are incensed, WHam 
> players seem uncertain. They go to VAR - and show it on the big screen, which 
> I didn’t think was how it was done - the video clearly shows their #9 leading 
> with his elbow and smashing it through Meslier’s face - the keeper’s head 
> snaps back on impact - so the goal is disallowed, the Leeds crowd is going 
> mental for a red card for their guy, instead he gets a yellow.
> 
> Minutes later their #9 clatters Cooper, again with his elbow. A bookable 
> offence…not this time.
> 
> Then someone follows through on Meslier - who apparently had to change his 
> shirt after the first incident, and I can only guess that that was because of 
> blood - there’s no foul given. Meslier goes nuts at the ref and earns a 
> yellow card.
> 
> Finally they get a deserved equaliser - the pressure has been good and 
> sustained - but the manner of it was less so, apparently a double deflection 
> (we couldn’t see what happened), eventually going in off Firpo’s backside.
> 
> Then with 5 minutes of injury time clocked up, their #9 muscles through and 
> scores the winner. Cue mini pitch invasion by the W Ham fans.
> 
> That’s the bones of it. We were the better team in the first half. Although 
> both sides created and wasted good chances / half-chances. Cresswell stood up 
> and wrestled with that #9 all game and had a really solid game. He’s a 
> definite on the team sheet for Watford. He was a little nervous in some of 
> his distribution later in the game, when there was less movement ahead of 
> him, but that’s about the only fault, I can find and that is being picky. 
> Cooper would now be my 5th choice (perhaps even 6th after Kalvin…) centre 
> half. 
> 
> W Ham spent the whole game battering Meslier and Raphinha - every corner they 
> got that #9 was leaning on the keeper trying to rough him up. The ref pulled 
> him up a couple of times.
> 
> Once Raphinha went off, we had no real outlet - Rodrigo, Harrison, Roberts 
> combined didn’t give the team what Raph or Bamford on their own usually do. 
> And we just fell deeper and deeper.
> 
> Meslier - had a sterling game in very difficult circumstances - deserved 
> better protection from the referee - that was a red card challenge. Made 
> several good saves.
> Shackleton - well, I think that is the best right back performance this 
> season - mobile, good challenging and positional play - not the tallest, so 
> liable to get beaten in the air but there’s not much he can do about that
> Firpo - another ‘best game so far’ for us I think…there is work to be done, 
> to be convincing, but it is not out of his reach
> Cresswell - said it all above - stand out game
> Cooper - his kind of battle, this game, and he did OK
> Phillips - is in danger of moving beyond some of his team mates…he still 
> makes mistakes, and he still is not the fastest, but without him we are much 
> less of a team, he holds it all together. But he can’t do it himself. I think 
> he really misses having the guile of Hernandez next to him.
> Klich - one of his better games, pushing forward from the middle, covered a 
> lot of ground, ultimately faded
> Dallas - was solid in his own way, but lacks the sparkle of 6 months ago
> Raphinha - was basically unplayable yesterday - an absolute joy to watch
> Rodrigo - what do you do with a ‘forward’ who is tremendously hard working, 
> but never on the end of crosses, rarely gets a shot away and genuinely seems 
> to pose no threat to the opposition goal?
> James - played the first half. Barely noticed him
> 
> Harrison on for James in the second half - had a couple of flurries and one 
> scuffed shot but seemed lethargic - someone said he might not be fully 
> recovered from Covid and I guess that’s fair
> Roberts - came on and does what he does but this rapidly proving not to be 
> good enough. He’s basically doing the same as he did for two years in the 
> Championship.
> Somerville - came on, made a couple of good links / runs down the wing, but 
> they came to nothing.
> 
> I suspect if W 

[LU] The healthy of this list - some musings!

[N If]

Rarely read the real list nowadays, but wouldn't do without regularly
chatting with our listers on Whatsapp - where there was recently a post
about 'imagined communities'.  The bond and love I feel for this community
is powerful, and I often refer to comments from listers as 'one of my
friends said..." or 'my friends are saying...'  Certainly, I feel a greater
sense of belonging, than I ever did amongst the misogynist, racist guys on
the supporters bus on the way home from an away game (The same guys that
I'd hugged as we sang We Are Leeds and All Leeds Are We MOT at the game).
No, like Latvian John, I met everynweek at our spot on the Kop, the list is
my mates. And I feel proud to be part of it.  Many great contributors over
the years, I have my own favourites; as you said James, Dave and Richard's
reports have been vital, as has Betty's stewardship.  Love you all.  sniff.
Cheers
nif
Cheers
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Re: [LU] Ruh roh

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Looks like we better remember how to score a few…

Nick

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> On 16 Sep 2021, at 17:48, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
>  A back 4 of Junior, Ayling , Cooper and Shack  gulp 
> On Thursday, 16 September 2021, 17:10:22 BST, MATTHEW GAYNOR 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Of the youngsters Drameh looks more ready - so could play right back with 
> Ayling shifted across
> Suspect Shack or Dallas at right back is more likely
> 
> 

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Re: [LU] Liverpool

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Yeah, it was a big disappointment…the first half was even enough, although I 
thought we were only just hanging onto their coattails. But in the end 0-3 
didn’t flatter them.

I’ve not seen any replays, so I don’t know about the sending off. Live, it 
looked like a clean challenge, but then we saw lots of the folk around lad 
running away holding their hands to their mouths, and so knew it was a bad 
injury.

I think in time Bielsa might want to switch Raphinha inside into a no.10 role, 
behind Bamford, with Harrison and James on the wings. But there has to be 
better coherence between the full backs and the wingers. Ayling has started the 
season at quite a low level, he seems to be struggling…a lot of unforced 
errors. Cooper can’t be any more than a squad player. Llorente is class, I hope 
the injury is not serious. Firpo, I actually think had his best game for us 
yesterday…whether that is good enough long term is another thing.

In midfield, I think Phillips was very good, but can’t do it alone. Dallas was 
curiously absent - or the game passed him by. Oddly after an invisible first 
half, Harrison was having a good 15 minutes when he was taken off.

Don’t know what to do with Rodrigo, he has played a lot in that advanced 
midfield role and is not a success there. He has done ok as a centre forward, 
but he is not the same kind of forward as Bamford, and Bielsa sees that Bamford 
brings more to his preferred style of play.

We continue to be grateful for having Meslier in goal. He is a future star.

What we need are a couple of wins, to settle the nerves.

The atmosphere in the ground was bouncing.

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> On 13 Sep 2021, at 08:40, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> My first PL game for donkeys and what a disappointment it was. Totally 
> outclassed and outplayed for most of the game. If anything we showed some 
> spirit second half with only 10 men and could / should have got 1 back. 
> For me, there's a big question as to whether we can play with 2 wingers and 
> Rodrigo against opposition like this. Phillips and Dallas didn't stand a 
> chance and Liverpool took total control in midfield which meant Raphinha and 
> Harrison never really had a kick. Rodrigo had an early chance which he could 
> have done better with but apart from that he was totally ineffective as the 
> no 10 and was hauled off for Roberts at half-time which is now becoming a 
> regular change. We've seen what Rodrigo can do as a striker but as a 
> midfielder he hasn't the legs to do what Hernandez did. 
> It was a good atmosphere but all around me agreed that going in 1-0 down at 
> half-time was a real result for us because it should have been more - a lot 
> more. Time and time again the Liverpool midfielders and attackers seemed to 
> have all the space in the world as they passed it around our box. 
> Occassionally we would get a last ditch tackle in but we really struggled to 
> contain them and struggled to get out of our half. 
> Second half, Liverpool continued to control the park and were soon 2 up from 
> a corner. The ball just seemed to be on the floor for an age until Fabinho, 
> unmarked, poked it home. Poor defending again. Then Struijk got sent off and 
> from the stands it looked like a great tackle and having seen it afterwards I 
> still think Strujik is unlucky and was sent off for the injury not the 
> tackle. The incident caused a bit of upset between the South stand and the 
> away fans which then spiralled into a tit for tat sing song. "Always the 
> victim, never your fault' to which the scousers replied "Yorkshire Police - 
> murderers". A few scousers got really upset and ended up bein dragged away. 
> We did show some heart with 10 men and Dan James came on and looked ok 
> without really threatening. Liverpool scored a deserved 3rd late on and we 
> all went home thinking that this is going to be a tough season and any 
> thoughts of Europe and bettering our 9th place from last season need to be 
> reassessed. Yes we've played 2 of the top 4 teams but I think it's clear that 
> there's something missing and we are not playing with the fluidity and 
> movement that we know we can. 
> Bielsa's response to the first half debacle was to put Roberts on for 
> Rodrigo. That was it. We were getting the run around in midfield but he just 
> replaced like for like and carried on. He knows no different to his system 
> and that is definitely a limitation. There was an argument to put Klich and 
> Shack in a 4 man midfield with Raph on his own up front. At least we would 
> have competed and seen some of the ball. We definitely needed another body in 
> the middle. 
> Scores:
> 
> Meslier - 7. Made some great saves to keep the score down. It could have been 
> far worse. 
> Ayling - 3. I thought he was really poor and if you look at his performances 
> this season I think he's not started well. He did have our best chance first 
> half but couldn't decide whether to volley or head it 

Re: [LU] Sh*t On at Brighton!

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Hard to disagree with any of that John. Are we really so dependent on KP and 
Raph? 

We didn’t get started today. No movement for the man with the ball...so 
anything we tried was always from a standing start. Just as well there’s a SM 
boycott.

The subbing of Bamford was one of the strangest decisions...he’d only had about 
5 touches most of which were him tackling back. And Roberts...well, I just 
don’t see it...he does some great stuff, but as soon as he does it, you’re 
waiting for the cock-up.

Nick

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> On 1 May 2021, at 17:45, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> Jeez, what a terrible performance - credit to Brighton for pretty much 
> playing us off the pitch - thank God they don’t have a decent forward!
> 
> Our man of the match - easier to start at the other end - Alioski was 
> shockingly poor, gave away a stupid penalty, and his substitution was his 
> best move of the day. That said, I don’t think he was our worst full back - 
> step forward Luke Ayling, and try not to fall over as you do! Really pitiful 
> defending, 4 times she fell over and the ref, rightly, played on, and he’s 
> provided a perfect opportunity to give Drameh a run out in the next game.
> 
> Next category - our invisible man of the match - much more competition for 
> this ‘award’ - Roberts, Klick, Rodrigo - I know the past few games we have 
> played pretty much the same  team and got results, but there are times when 
> our players limitations are there for all to see!
> 
> I thought the central back 3 did ok, but there was some major-league fannying 
> around with the ball, and some inexplicably tight ball-play from Meslier.
> 
> I know my opinion is worth zilch, but if you are going to involve the Under 
> 23s in the squad, you actually have to start playing them, rather than 
> bringing on a 53 year old ;-)
> 
> Bad day, could have played all day and not scored - oh, and the crosses and 
> corners - ffs!
> 
> At least 4 new players required - at least! 
> 
> Depressed of Ktown
> & I know it’s been a great season, but.
> 
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[LU] Leeds are falling apart again

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I keep hearing that Kalvin Philips isn’t good enough for this league.

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Re: [LU] Never........

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Hear hear

Apparently, years ago in one of many of his “gaffes” that would have earned him 
a disciplinary warning at work he expressed the view that if reincarnation was 
real he’d like to come back as a deadly virus to help sort out 
“overpopulation”. Measure of the man. 

Nick

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> On 10 Apr 2021, at 12:31, Robert Heath  wrote:
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> ..have I missed crowds more than now when you would have to hope
> that Leeds fans would have whistled and jeered through the minute's silence
> for that bloody parasitic sponger who has just died.
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Re: [LU] Southampton tonight

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Presumably that’ll do you?

Three sweet left feet, or what.

But fucking hell did we sack the guy who puts the studs in?

Just between Spurs and Arse ... theres probably a dodgy gag in there...and 
another!

Nick

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> Not so much a must win game, but definitely a need to win match, otherwise 
> the chasing pack will be nudging past us. Whilst Sheff Utd and West Brom are 
> pretty much down, Fulham look pretty good in patches and they’re more than 
> capable of putting a few wins together. Of course we can always play our 
> Joker - Newcastle ;-) 
> 
> I’ve not seen any team news but I doubt Llorente will get the nod over 
> Struijk, but you never know. I like the way Southampton play - they were 
> probably the team most like us at the beginning of the season.
> 
> Here’s a question for you - do you think Bielsa has changed the entire 
> Premiership?
> 
> I see his stamp on lots of teams. The attacking en masse, the intricate 
> triangles out wide, the pressing etc. Since our first game at Liverpool time 
> and again teams have overloaded their attacks them for instance, and suddenly 
> they’re much more suspect. OK, they lost Virgil VD, but Bielsa showed how to 
> play against them.
> 
> Anyway, hoping for a decent performance tonight, and 3 points.
> 
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Re: [LU] 10 wins: we are staying up

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Wish Bamford had put away that one on one, would have been a classic...rather 
than row Z. Ah well.

Raphinha...he’s alright.

Nick

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> On 8 Feb 2021, at 22:33, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> As I see it we have 2 challenges
> 
> 1. Staying Up - that job has nearly been achieved
> 2. Hanging on to Raphinha. Would we refuse a £50 million or so bid? He is 
> beginning to look like a superstar in the making
> 
> Another thoroughly, in the main, professional performance. Some truly 
> astonishing misses from Bamford and Struijk made it much tighter than Palace 
> deserved, some very leggy passing from Ayling, and a pitch that is having far 
> too much influence were the negatives, but far, far outweighed by the 
> positives of a superb team performance, players doing their job (Eze pretty 
> much redundant as Dallas, and others, got up close and personal), our 
> attacking passing, with Raphinha outstanding. Oh, and 3 more points, mean we 
> make the top half of the table.
> 
> Bamford’s post match Sky interview was very open, articulate and funny too - 
> Whether his ‘slip of the tongue’ about being amazed a bigger club hadn’t 
> taken a punt on Raphinha, before correcting himself by saying ‘a more 
> established Prem team’, will get him into bother who knows? 
> 
> Time to sort Arsenal out now ;-) 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8 Feb 2021, at 22:04, Alec McQueen  wrote:
>> 
>> With 10 wins, we are now safe. Very very unlikely to go down with 10 wins
>> (almost never happens).
>> 
>> So, we are above Arsenal, Southampton, Palace and Wolves: this is
>> fantastic. If we can stay there, even better. We are 4 points behind Spurs,
>> and only 8 points off a Champions League spot (with a game in hand). Is a
>> Europe slot possible? Can MB keep the results going this year? Will we have
>> our regular late season slump?
>> 
>> The commentary today said that this was the longest stay that MB has made
>> at a position ever. Is that right? I find that hard to believe, but
>> 
>> Happy Leeds fan.
>> Cheers
>> A
>> -- 
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[LU] Hands up who’d have taken a draw at kick off?

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Pretty close to the result / performance of the season.

Not going to go on too much, but Bamford is deserving of all the plaudits; 
Raphinha had another excellent game as did Ayling (bringing back the Kisnorbo 
wrap) and Meslier was again good when needed...although Schmeichel did as much 
to keep them in it in the first half. 

Struijk again did well at Centre half.

Right, where did I leave that bottle opener?

Nick

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Re: [LU] Guy Thornton

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Ah shit. I had no idea about the diagnosis. What sad news.

Thanks for passing on the news Wiggy.

Nick

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> On 21 Jan 2021, at 20:09, Wiggy  wrote:
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> Some really sad news just in from Amsterdam. Guy Thornton passed away today.
> 
> He’d recently been diagnosed with cancer and had just had his first chemo 
> treatment.
> 
> Will pass on more info as I hear it.
> 
> Wiggy.
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Re: [LU] Words fail me

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Yep, that was truly shit. About as bad as 4th division Colchester beating 
Revie’s Leeds.

Bamford, Klich, Meslier, Ayling & Dallas all came out of that one looking good.

Nick

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> On 10 Jan 2021, at 16:00, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m not wasting too much time writing about this match. For me 2 things:
> 1) worst result in the club’s history 
> 2) worst half-time substitution I’ve seen from a manager (any team) in over 
> 49 years of watching footy.
> Well done Bielsa.
> Garbage.
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> On Sunday, January 10, 2021, 3:40 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> That was truly dreadful. Casilla reminding people quite how bad he is.
> Thought this might be a chance for Costa to put in a bit of a performance and 
> push for a first team place but no, he was anonymous.
> I think it’s always tough on the u23s to chick them into a disjointed team, 
> but Casey looked awful. Jenkins didn’t look great either but probably fairer 
> to judge him in a more balanced team.
> Disappointed with Phillips, he just strolled through the game, Hernandez’s 
> passing was way off, especially second half and I don’t think any of the subs 
> did much when they came on.
> I know the league is the priority but I was expecting better than that today.
> Let’s hope this doesn’t derail our season like some abject cup performances 
> have in the past.
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
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> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] Words fail me
> 
> 
> That was as bad as Newport , Histon, Rochdale, Hereford rolled into Casilla 
> must NEVER EVER play for us again!Worry that all these future stars in the 
> u23s are nothing of the sort - none of them impressed in the slightest 
> todayShocking, shambles
> We need to get over it fast and beat Brighton
> Dave
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[LU] No defence

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Let’s just take a moment to recognise that we kept a clean sheet without any 
recognised centre backs...and also, that our response to losing all those goals 
at corners was to tell Meslier to come for everything however ridiculous it 
seems. 

That was a sweaty palm almost 90 minutes of football.

Still, 3 points eh?

Nick

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Re: [LU] Tonight's match

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As someone said somewhere else, if you want the 5-2 victories you get from 
playing that way, then you’re going to have to take the odd 6-2 defeat as well, 
because some days it doesn’t fall for you. Also, as Bamford said, they are 
learning that being a yard out of position can really cost you against players 
this good...

Well. Most of them managed to be at least a yard out of position a good few 
times yesterday. That said Bamford, Harrison and Raphina could easily have 
scored: it could have been 10-6.

The midfield were absolutely nowhere defensively in the first half...Klich’s 
man (who I had never heard of before yesterday) left him for dead twice in the 
first 4 minutes, and Philips lost their full back for the 4th goal. It seemed 
like they had set their formation lines up against ours so they matched, and 
then shifted them all forward five yards...all they did was pass it between our 
lines time after time. It was too easy. Their possession mostly came from soft 
mistakes by us.

As for the famously makeshift defence, losing Cooper, whatever you think of his 
performances, would be a blow...you can’t operate a back four with 3 
non-specialists out of position, never mind 4. Looks like we might need to raid 
the U-23s or something.

Raphina and Rodrigo still look to push forward and make things happen and we 
will need them to keep doing that.

In the long run though, the success or otherwise of this season won’t be 
decided by games like yesterday’s but by games against the teams below us and 
around us.

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> On 20 Dec 2020, at 18:40, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> OK, first things first, wishful thinking aside, this was going to be one of 
> those games in the ‘probably won’t win’ category, and as such getting 
> anything out of it points wise would have been a bonus. 
> 
> For a while, roughly 3 minutes my wishful thinking held true, but really poor 
> passing combined with clinical finishing meant expectations were met. Time 
> and again we did exactly the same thing, and to be honest 6 was flattering. 
> OK, we could and should have had anything between 3 and 6 ourselves, but if 
> they’d got 10 it wouldn’t have flattered them. No way was that a penalty, but 
> irrelevant in the scheme of things.
> 
> I got very excited that Klich and Phillips were subbed, but calmed down once 
> we were informed by the commentator that both were on 4 yellow cards. I 
> thought both were outclassed!
> 
> Second half we looked better, and I did like Neville’s comment that it looked 
> like Leeds thought they could score another 4. We couldn’t but Harrison at 
> least should have made it 6-3.
> 
> So, onto Burnley and WBA - pivotal games in our season maybe?
> 
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>> I am absolutely exhausted
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Re: [LU] Results around us...

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Never mind our defence, is their defence good enough...we shall see.

Nick

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> On 20 Dec 2020, at 00:40, Alec McQueen  wrote:
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> ... just about as good as we could want: nobody amongst Fulham, Newc, Palace 
> or Arse won. 
> 
> If we can just get something from tomorrow... is our defence good enough? 
> [Answer: no]
> Cheers
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Re: [LU] West Ham

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I don’t have much to add to this as it says pretty much everything I would have 
done: when I was thinking about our defence last night I couldn’t get past the 
word “makeshift”...

Some of the most improved players of the last couple of years - Dallas, Ayling, 
Klich, Alioski - were valued, in part at least for their athleticism around the 
pitch: they created a tempo. With the exception of Ayling, who did do OK at 
CHalf, they look to be running on fumes...there’s just no buzz or zip about 
they move on the pitch. There was much more square ball across the back 4 or 5 
yesterday, because they had no targets to aim for ahead of them and the gap 
between front and back was a gulf...which is where you would normally find 
Klich or Pablo. 

If we are going to continue being weak at corners, then we have to strongly 
defend against giving them away... the gaps behind Alioski in the first half 
were criminal, as was the lack of cover he was getting from Harrison.

In the end I felt sorry for Bamford and Raphinha who were coming a long way 
back for scraps at times. Also felt sympathy for Meslier, but that is becoming 
a normal state of affairs.

One question - probably a rule change I have missed - why didn’t the keeper get 
a straight red?

And yeah, I know we benefitted but by Christ it took 6 or 7 minutes to take 
that bloody penalty...and the first one was shit.

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> 
> 12 games in and it's been a good journey so far. The transformation from 
> average championship team to a team holding their own and winning games in 
> the PL is nothing short of a miracle. However, I think it's clear that we 
> have hit our first crisis and for me questions have to be asked. Yes, we've 
> been unfortunate with injuries but if Bielsa's 2 players for each position 
> strategy included Ayling switching to centre back then we're in trouble. Our 
> defence is in crisis and looks like conceding at every set piece. A makeshift 
> defence of Dallas, Allioski, Cooper and Ayling would have raised eyebrows in 
> the championship but at this level it's the equivalent of football suicide. 
> We have now receded back to the pre-Monk days where we conceded at nearly 
> every set piece. Monk sorted that by bringing in Jansson,abandoning player 
> for player marking in favour of telling Jansson to just go and get the ball. 
> He did, and we looked solid in defence for that season. Bielsa can't move 
> until January to sort this problem but hearing him say that we don't need a 
> centre back in January as we have Ayling and Philips who can play there makes 
> me wonder whether defence might be his weak point. We need 2 new central 
> defenders now !!!
> Last night was a really poor, disjointed performance against a team who are 
> solid but unspectular. Our home form is really shaky and at the moment we 
> don't appear to like playing at Elland Road. Maybe the players should spend 
> more time actually practising on the pitch as someone on WhatsApp suggested. 
> We had too many attackers on the pitch. The gap between defence and attack 
> was massive and Phillips and Klich just couldn't cope with their pace and 
> strength. Klich and Harrison turned in their worst performances in a Leeds 
> shirt and it was no surprise when West Ham won the game from an unneccesary 
> set piece late on. In reality, 4 or 5-1 would have been a fairer result and 
> for that we have to thank Miesler. 
> Scores:
> Miesler - 8. Kept the score reasonable. Maybe should have done better with 
> the goal but if Dallas let's his man have a free header from 3 yards it's not 
> going to end well. 
> Dallas - 4. His worst perfomance under Bielsa. Defensively he was all over 
> the shop and although he did charge forward a lot in the 2nd half when 
> switched to left back he was pretty ineffective.
> Allioski - 2. When his crosses are hitting the first man and his link up play 
> with Harrison is non-existent you have to ask what does he bring to the team 
> other than a massive gap down our left which West Ham exploited ? Subbed at 
> half-time and rightly so. 
> Ayling - 6. I thought he did well under extreme pressure in the first half 
> and overall he was the better central defender but hes obviously out of his 
> comfort zone and is going to struggle in the PL in this position. 
> Cooper - 5. He did a lot of good defending and he created our goal however at 
> key moments he reverted back to league one Liam. He's struggling. 
> Klich - 5. Hardly completed a pass in the first half and all his usual 
> intelligent play was missing. 2nd half he looked like he was tired and was 
> crying out for some assistance.
> Philips - 5. Worked hard but looked out of his depth to me. Compare to Declan 
> Rice who I thought looked strong throughout and also grew into the game and 
> started to really control the game and push forward with the ball. Philips 
> had one half-decent shot but overall 

Re: [LU] Alex Sabella

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Great Photo doing the rounds from 1976 of AS skinning Marcelo Bielsa in the 
Argentinian League.

Nick

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> On 8 Dec 2020, at 19:21, Wiggy  wrote:
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> Reports in from South America that Alex Sabella has passed away, having been 
> rushed into hospital with heart issues a couple of weeks back. He was 66.
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

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I think you’re not taking it in the spirit intended, certainly by me at any 
rate. I love the way we are playing and the players doing it, but there’s no 
harm in recognising a bit of reality when you see it - all in context. Of 
course I’ll take 17th.

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> On 6 Dec 2020, at 16:41, Ed Morrish  wrote:
> 
> I’m finding the tone of the criticism of some of our players a little 
> dispiriting. Are they Champions League players? Probably not. But the 
> alternative to them is to bring in an entirely new squad at great risk and 
> expense. Personally, I’m proud of how well they’ve played so far, making the 
> absolute most of their ability at 100% commitment to our club. Yes, they’ll 
> slowly be replaced over the next few seasons as better alternatives come 
> along - but I don’t think it’s on to slag them off, as it were... 
> 
> Let’s face it, if you’d offered us 17th on goal difference at the start of 
> the season we’d have at least thought about it. It looks like we’re going to 
> do better than that, so let’s give them credit for that.
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Re: [LU] VAR for offside

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I’m not a fan of VAR. I always thought it a sledgehammer to crack a nut. 
English commentariat got itself all excited after Lampard’s ‘goal’ against 
Germany and demanded ‘something be done’. But across a season decisions evened 
out, pre-VAR...now we’ve actually legislated ‘in’ interference. 

They’re having to create a raft of secondary rules about when it is used and 
when not. 

A system that doesn’t penalise Everton’s keeper for that wild foul, but 
disallows Bamford’s goal is not fit for purpose.

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> 
> I feel like the footballing authorities have missed out on a crucial element 
> of how video reviews work in cricket: umpire’s call. In cricket, you have to 
> be 100% the umpire got it wrong, not 1% sure they weren’t right. If Bamford’s 
> goal had been disallowed by the ref, the video would have upheld that; if it 
> had been allowed, it would also have been upheld - it’s clearly a grey area, 
> so let the ref do his job.
> 
> (I also think there should be one review per team per half, which you lose if 
> you challenge incorrectly.)
> 
> Ed.
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>> On 10 Nov 2020, at 17:46, Guy Thornton  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh mighty King of Tonga, I agree with you and I did say I didn't blame the 
>> ref who was 'only following 
>> orders'.
>> Okay, he was following the latest interpretation of those who must be obeyed 
>> on on deciding what is 
>> and what is not offside with VAR. Whether it was Lineker and friends who 
>> helped get the new 
>> interpretation I don't know but something needs to be done to sort this out. 
>> I'm not against VAR, a 
>> contaire, but there's been some mighty silly decisions made. Forget who it 
>> was but I remember a 
>> player with his back to the one kicking the ball, arm by his side but the 
>> ball hit it and wham, a foul.
>> On offside what happened to being in an offside potion but not interfering 
>> with play?
>> guy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10 Nov 2020 at 17:06, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) wrote:
>> 
>> I'm actually pro VAR, but just can't believe what a pigs ear the officials 
>> make of applying it.  Firstly they 
>> don't have to use the lines.  They are not used in Rugby replays to 
>> determine forward passes.
>> 
>> If they must use the lines then Offside is offside, whether by a foot or a 
>> yard (Or a few millimetres).  
>> The forward already gets the advantage that he can be level (if that is even 
>> possible anymore).
>> 
>> The idea that a player's arm can put them offside is patently ridiculous.  
>> But it is not VAR's fault.
>> Part of the fault is with Lineker and his chums who moaned about handballs 
>> being given when the ball 
>> hit the arm.
>> 
>> The unintended consequence of reducing the handball to the T Shirt line as 
>> they call it was that a goal 
>> can now be scored with that part of the arm which therefore now qualifies 
>> for offside. Surely the arm 
>> should ignored for offside decisions.
>> 
>> It will be interesting to see what happens when a player uses the INSIDE of 
>> the upper arm to 
>> deliberately control the ball, or actually knock it into the net.  My bet is 
>> they will change the 
>> interpretation again.  Bamford and Leeds were very unlucky to be the first 
>> to be caught by this, but the 
>> law was correctly interpreted as it stands.
>> 
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Re: [LU] Villa

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Agree with all of that Rich. Nice to wake up in a good mood and the weekend has 
only just started.

We were saying that about Bamford’s third...kudos to him he did his bit well, 
but 4 defenders round him in the box and not one tries to tackle him. They’ll 
be in for some extra sessions this morning.

Nick

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> Couldn't sleep last night as I reflected on what was in my opinion the best 
> Leeds performance since the European games. It was that good and there's even 
> an argument to say that the 2nd half was one of the best I've ever seen. Some 
> statement but we were that good. 
> The way we attacked with pace was devastating and Villa just couldn't live 
> with us. Ross Barkley looked like a lower league journeyman as he wasn't 
> allowed to have time on the ball and found himself having to do more running 
> than he's ever done in his life. He was f*cked. I'd heard a lof good things 
> about Luiz and how he conrols the midfield, well he certainly didn't know 
> what hit him yesterday. Every time he got the ball, Klich and co were on him 
> and his best efforts came from pretending to be fouled. Grealish had his 
> moments as he always will but he plays in spurts and isnt a great team 
> player. He's also a cheat. The foul by Stujik was a certain yellow card but 
> if you watch it, Strujik doesn't make that much contact and there's no way it 
>  would have resulted in a player looking like he was dead for 5 mins. Also 
> the dive for the pen was disgusting and countless other annoyances like 
> keeping hold of the ball and not giving it back when Leeds were trying to 
> take a free kick. He just did it to annoy, no other reason. Grade A c*nt !
> Anyway, back to us and where do you start ? The inter-play down the left 
> between Allioski and Harrison was breathtaking and Matty Cash could only wish 
> he was back playing for Forest in the Championship. This is the big time 
> Matty and I'm afraid you're not at the races. Harrison terrorised him and for 
> once every cross or pass from Harrison was finding its intended target and 
> with some better finishing from barn door Bamford we would have been 3-0 up 
> in the first half. 
> After that yellow card, Struijk was withdrawn after 20 minutes. I don't think 
> Bielsa took him off because he was playing badly, I think he took him off 
> because Villa were cheating. WIth Luiz and Grealish falling over and crying 
> every 5 mins it was only a matter of time before they conned the ref into 
> sending Struijk off. A blessing in disguise for me because on came Jamie 
> Shackleton for his PL debut. For me this is the game that defined Shack. What 
> position suits him best ? is he a defender ? Is he a midfielder ? Is he a 
> right back ? Is he a winger? Well, tonight defined him to be a player who can 
> harry, tackle, attack with pace, pass the ball and link up play all over the 
> park. It also proved that we didn't need Struijk sat in front of the back 
> four as a security blanket. Klich came deeper, Rodrigo filled in the Kilch 
> area and we were on fire. The way we attacked was like a wave with 5 or 6 
> players advancing at once and then when we lost the ball we defended in a 
> similar manner. Everyone forward, everyone back. It was brilliant and I've 
> rarely seen a team play like that. 
> The second half was total domination and how we only won by 3 is beyond me. 
> Bamford's goals were all well taken but Rodrigo ran the show for me. He made 
> the first and he looked class all night. I love players who, when they get 
> the ball, they always look like they've got all the time in the world and 
> nobody can touch them. Rodrigo's link up play was the best I've seen for a 
> while. Intelligent, fast paced, skilful football. 
> Costa to his credit, after a lacklustre first half, made himself an outlet as 
> we attacked down the left and right. Villa just couldn't cope. Some of the 
> one touch football had me dancing around the room (and I wasn't even drinking 
> - trying to cut down on the lockdown excesses). Bamford's 2nd and 3rd were 
> very well taken however you have to question the defending as 4 Villa players 
> watched him adjust, turn and shoot. 
> And to top it all we bring on Pablo (who should have scored) and Raphinha. 
> Not a bad pair to bring on. Happy Days
> Miesler - 9.  Two good saves and good distribution. 
> Dallas - 7. I thought he looked a bit out of sorts first half playing one 
> horrendous cross field ball straight to a Villa player. Second half he came 
> alive and was very busy down the right wing. Looks more at home playing as a 
> right wing back for me. Could be the best in the league in that position. 
> Allioski - 9. Brilliant game linking up with Harrison and harrying Villa 
> players to knick the ball. Should have done better with his chance but it was 
> on his right foot. He's just a good little footballer 
> Koch - 8. 

[LU] City

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

I enjoyed that game. Both sides could have had several more. Rodrigo looks like 
he has something to offer. You can see that Cooper is at full stretch keeping 
up, whereas Koch is really looking the part and also the Dallas enigma 
continues. Alioski looked like he will be more and more of a sub this season. 
Costa and Roberts were quiet. I liked the look of Poveda when he came on...he 
really scared their full back.

The main thing, is the spirit. We were hardly getting a touch for the first 25 
minutes, they really stood up on all our defenders, giving Meslier nowhere to 
go with his kicks - he must have had the best pass completion rate for us in 
the first half...but we ground our way back in to the game...and on half time 
Ayling could and should have done better when in on goal.

Absolutely satisfied with where we are after 4 games, 3 of them will have been 
among the toughest of the season. Loved one comment from a non-Leeds fan on 
Twitter - “Leeds are not fucking about are they?”

While we will undoubtedly hit a tough patch later, on the whole there’s nothing 
here to fear.

Nick

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Re: [LU] Aha.........

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Tony Currie?

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> On 8 Sep 2020, at 22:07, Tim Whelan via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
>  Lets have another question. Who was the last Leeds player to represent 
> England in the 1980s? 
>On Tuesday, 8 September 2020, 22:02:48 BST, Robert Heath 
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> Just read the answer to my own question on some website:
> 
> Phillips became the first Leeds star to represent the Three Lions since
> Alan Smith back in 2004.
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[LU] We knew best

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So despite the fact that:

- Our goalkeepers do not dominate the box or inspire confidence (but do have 
the best total of clean sheets in the league)
- Cooper is an accident waiting to happen
- Dallas is not a full back
- Breradi is a liability
- Phillips is one-paced and can only pass sideways
- Hernandez is too old
- neither Costa nor Harrison can cross the ball pass the first man
- Bamford can’t hit a barn door from 6 yards
- our subs are all 12 years old
- The squad is too small, we have ‘wasted’ yet another transfer window 

Despite all that, the man actually in charge has got us promoted.

And he did it by proving that this is a team game, that the sum of the parts...

Make him freeman of the city or whatever, just keep him. He’s a stone cold 
footballing genius.








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[LU] Bielsa

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Where do we put the statue...fuck, yes!

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Re: [LU] Barnsley

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The important bit of win ugly, is win.

We have been fantastic to watch in plenty of games this year and not 
necessarily got what we deserved.

Nick

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> On 16 Jul 2020, at 19:19, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
> wrote:
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>I’m in bits
>
>
> 
>Get Outlook for iOS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 7:13 PM +0100, "John Lee via Leedslist" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Things I have learnt today
> 1. My nervousness and lack of confidence was entirely justified
> 2. Luke Ayling is not a centre-back
> 3. Bielsa was at least matched, if not out-thought tactically. Fortunately 
> Barnsley didn’t have the quality to capitalise
> 4. Bamford put a real shift in!
> 5. Aside from being caught in possession once, Struijk was a big positive, 
> and THAT defence-splitting pass - sublime
> 6. Major tactical error bringing Hernandez on - should have been Shackleton
> 7. We missed Phillips - we really should have played Shackleton from the start
> 8. White looked good
> 9. Bamford post-match interview - spot on - we want 6 points and to go up as 
> Champions
> 10. We just might do this!
> 
> On we go - 1 more point and we’re back in the Premier League! MOT!
> 
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Re: [LU] oor jack

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Jack, Norman and Trevor, there is one hell of defence being assembled 
somewhere...

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> On 11 Jul 2020, at 09:50, Robert Heath  wrote:
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> That's sad.
> 
> We're running out of stands to name after these heroes as well. They could
> make the East Stand the Big Jack Stand, but then which bit of the ground
> will they name the Bielsa Stand after he finally retires when he's restored
> us to our rightful position in the European elite?
> 
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>> Just been announced Jackie Charlton has died.
>> Another legend gone
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Re: [LU] oor jack

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85 years old

Not been a good few months for LUFC legends.

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Re: [LU] We've made the playoffs!

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I did. And the point about the corners was as valid as acknowledging was a 
fantastic strike the free kick today was. They are not mutually exclusive.

Similarly, White has been our player of season (arguably with Dallas or 
Ayling), but his ‘challenge’ against the Luton goal scorer was 
questionable...But he was really on the front foot today.

Good solid performance. Nice for Douglas as well. Bamford unlucky not to get 
two.

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> Did you hear the bit about how his entire family had been laughing at his 15 
> rubbish corners v Luton? Very nice to see forward motion of the ball at free 
> kicks, and balls into the box at corners - hopefully he’ll never be 
> Luton-shit again?
> 
> Play-offs - pah!
> 
> 
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>> Guaranteed at least a spot in the playoffs after that brilliant win. (Not
>> sure how we did it with that donkey Phillips in midfield.)
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Re: [LU] Wigan go into administration

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That is damning, and worrying.

Nick

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> On 4 Jul 2020, at 10:05, Jim Moran  wrote:
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> 
> Check this thread out on Twitter. Wigan have been absolutely shafted by their 
> crook owners and the EFL. 
> 
> https://twitter.com/marksparko/status/1279000646335836163?s=21
> 
> 
> 
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>>  Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Wigan 
>> go into administration I saw a report that had Gerald Krasner’s name all 
>> over it...Sent from my iPad> On 3 Jul 2020, at 23:10, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) 
>>  wrote:> > Thanks for pointing me at that article 
>> John, It kind of explains why it seemed so sudden to me.  I had not heard 
>> that Wigan were in excessive financial trouble, and it seems that nobody 
>> else had either.> > It appears that whilst they were living beyond their 
>> means, they were not doing so more than any other Championship Club.> Yes we 
>> all know the penalty for Administration, but it seems a bit poor for the EFL 
>> to approve a takeover one week, then the club goes into Administration the 
>> next.> > We all know their tests are not up to much, but the Guardian found 
>> out pretty quickly that one individual owned over 50% in both companies in 
>> the previous sale of the club.  Surely that should ring a bell or 2.> > In 
>> reality, anyone buying a club should have to prove/pledge/put aside enough 
>> money to buy the club, clear its debts and operate it for a year at the 
>> current rate of loss.  This fund could be monitored by an independent 
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Re: [LU] Wigan go into administration

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

I saw a report that had Gerald Krasner’s name all over it...

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> On 3 Jul 2020, at 23:10, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS)  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for pointing me at that article John, It kind of explains why it 
> seemed so sudden to me.  I had not heard that Wigan were in excessive 
> financial trouble, and it seems that nobody else had either.
> 
> It appears that whilst they were living beyond their means, they were not 
> doing so more than any other Championship Club.
> Yes we all know the penalty for Administration, but it seems a bit poor for 
> the EFL to approve a takeover one week, then the club goes into 
> Administration the next.
> 
> We all know their tests are not up to much, but the Guardian found out pretty 
> quickly that one individual owned over 50% in both companies in the previous 
> sale of the club.  Surely that should ring a bell or 2.
> 
> In reality, anyone buying a club should have to prove/pledge/put aside enough 
> money to buy the club, clear its debts and operate it for a year at the 
> current rate of loss.  This fund could be monitored by an independent 
> authority.
> 
> Anyway, tough on Wigan, but we’ve been there!
> 
> KOT.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] LU: Win

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Pablo for that pass to Harrison on its own...

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> On 27 Jun 2020, at 17:55, Chris Nickson  wrote:
> 
> A Dave Nattan said earlier, a season-defining game, and the way we came
> back in the second half was the real definition of it. And we didn't even
> have the most possession overall, I think.
> 
> The way it's going, refs will start awarding us penalties.
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[LU] I do wear red sometimes

[N If]

Wow it's like being in the home end at Old Trafford when Leeds score.so
many fans of Athletic (There's only one Atleti)  popping up on here!

The (Picasso famous) town of Gernika, heart of Euskadi (Basque country) was
my home in the early 80s, and I became an hincha of Bilbao - a wonderful
time when we won the league (think of how we last won it from under ManUs
noses and multiply by 10) and then the double, with just their local lads
versus the international millions and gazillions of Real and Barca, and if
we think the FA is against us, multiply that by 10 (for example that season
establishment-R Madrid got us penalised for watering the pitch before a
game).

And the World Cup with England in Bilbao was truly a wall to wall festival
of love, drinking, song and brotherliness throughout the city from morning
till night (only issue was brits used to closing times not able to cope
with open all hours drinking).

To watch MB take over my 2nd club and see them humiliate Fergies lot with
such swagger and then have him come to Leeds and work such wondersI
think you can now understand my unswerving adoration!

El Athletic, Athletic, Aup Aup Aup.
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[LU] Reading

[N If]

Agree with that Rich.  For me, most of the first half it was one of those
'you can't tell who are the league leaders and who is near the bottom'.
Was I right that for at least 20 minutes, our (misfiring) midfield were
unusually all in the box rather than patrolling the periphery?  Meaning
that rather than pinning Reading in, they were able to break out and cause
us a few problems. Interesting.
Thought you were spot on with all the scores.
I too was worried by Casilla on several occasions and up till the save had
him on a 4.  Bamford I had on a 2. He was just dreadful inside the box. If
no one else is scoring, the work he puts in to help create chances is
little good if he so lacks strikers' instincts - (I hope it's a
form/confidence thing, that a good hattrick against his old club midweek
will put right).  I see Eddie is good enough to now start and score for the
Arse - (another player improved by Marcelo) - however, I was begging MB NOT
to bring on Kev, or even Tyler in the last 20 as Patrick's high press was
invaluable to 'managing' the game...I remembered when Eddie came on for the
last while and it really diminished our control of the game.

 Particularly impressed with Klich - always there, always available,
starting to remind me of Batts in that respect. Great to see Pablo back,
while for me Harrison was the early most improved payer, Dallas has become
the most improved.
It's thrilling but it's hard to sit back and calmly enjoy!

sniff




Kiko - 5. He dithered his way through the match. Indecisive.
Ayling - 6. Started ok , moved to centre back and again did ok.
White - 6.
Cooper - 7. Solid defending throughout.
Pablo - 8. High energy, great goal
Klich - 7. Everywhere as usual
Dallas - 8.  Best right wing back at the club.

Harrison - 6.
Costa - 6.
Bamford - 4. A lot of aimless running, some good control but he's not playing
as a striker at the moment.
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[LU] Orta ornotta

[N If]

Someone questioned my praise of Viktor.

the acquisition of MB alone - isn't that enough on it's own. & it wasn't a
serendipitous deed.

Add Ben White.

You can't blame him for not achieving the Dan James coup either.


I'm a bit puzzled by Fair Play.
The spin seems to be that we can't sign anyone because.
But we don't seem to be the what ? (13Millionpa? 35Mp3a 30?) down on
transfers, so are wages being counted?
And does an obligation(?) to buy Costa mean that without promotion, we will
still not be able to afford any players other than on loan ..or by selling
to buy?

fnff
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[LU] shoot rich and wap

[N If]

interested that Slavan Bilic this week told WBA to start shooting from
outside the box due to their diminishing 'efficiency'.  Seemed that really
only our full backs (and CFs) were keen to have potshots, and reasonably
close to target. Was everyone else blocked off? Are we coached to keep
passing till a clear chance emerges? are the others getting a bit scared to
miss?

read a report masquerading under the name of Rich Walker - what have you
done with the real RW? (good report - essential reading as always and great
to see you pleased with the team!).Did you hear the Robins commentator
claim Bill's goal was how a Centre Forward should seize his opportunities?

Betty's What'sApp link told me to go away.  Is there a magic trick?

Cheers
Niffit
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[LU] excellent result

[N If]

1-1 away to top 4 team in superb form, while we have been super relegation
form.

outplayed them for the most.

still too few moments f real danger from us.  but still.

kiko 4.

harrison 8 i never give 8.

cooper 7.  top game.

costa 6.  I never rate costa 6.  but still, only 6.

klich, dallas 6.5  not quite a 6.

philips 7. welcome back

pablo 6. for effort. sadly. he's worth more than a 6.

luv

fffun
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[LU] Was it a pen?

[N If]

Thank you. finally. the goal. and from a corner.

great response from minute one (4 really) Leeds to all the recent media
hubbub and appalling run of results.
great response from going another sickening goal down against the run of
play.

Impressed with the Brentford commentators.  Super fair.  They are blown
away with Leeds.  No-one has ever come to Griffin Park this season on the
front foot.  They see us as outplaying them way more than I do.

So, I missed the supposed definite pen on Jack H early doors (according to
those same Bfd comms).  Was it?

Phillips and Cooper's determination to win that ball back as the game goes
on - wow!.

Bielsa effect?  Till recently, Harrison wouldn't use his right foot, now
he's using it with confidence.  Costa was NO defender, today, he's 'putting
in a (soft man's) shift'.

more luv
unnnf
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[LU] oh dammit

[N If]

not fair

was just wishing, minute 24, that phillips, pablo, klich, dallas, harrison,
maybe even ayling and costa - who have all been able to shoot in the past,
would do a noorgardghtght and just shoot, when seconds later, casilla...oh
dear oh dear oh dear.
better team once and once again..

COME ON LEEDS.

just get it in the net
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