Re: [LU] Ipswich from the stands
Listening and hearing loud Sent from my iPhone Dr Michael Benjamin Community Psychiatry On 4 Oct 2010, at 14:33, John Lee bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: point very well made! are you listening Israel??? --- On Sun, 3/10/10, Richard Young richard.yo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to pause there for a moment to indulge in a reality check. Mid-table is where most of us expected to be this season and mid-table is where we are. Players that were fine if inconsistent in Div3 are slightly less effective and just as inconsistent in Div2. I've been as guilty as the next fan of taking the bright points and magnifying them into unrealistic hope, and that must stop. We're going to lose pkenty more this season, and against much worse sides than Ipswich - so keep a level head. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Ipswich from the stands
point very well made! are you listening Israel??? --- On Sun, 3/10/10, Richard Young richard.yo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to pause there for a moment to indulge in a reality check. Mid-table is where most of us expected to be this season and mid-table is where we are. Players that were fine if inconsistent in Div3 are slightly less effective and just as inconsistent in Div2. I've been as guilty as the next fan of taking the bright points and magnifying them into unrealistic hope, and that must stop. We're going to lose pkenty more this season, and against much worse sides than Ipswich - so keep a level head. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Ipswich from the stands
This was pretty poor stuff and although Grayson did try to ring some changes after the Preston debacle, we now have several reasons to be concerned about progress this season. I'm going to pause there for a moment to indulge in a reality check. Mid-table is where most of us expected to be this season and mid-table is where we are. Players that were fine if inconsistent in Div3 are slightly less effective and just as inconsistent in Div2. I've been as guilty as the next fan of taking the bright points and magnifying them into unrealistic hope, and that must stop. We're going to lose pkenty more this season, and against much worse sides than Ipswich - so keep a level head. However. It's concerning that we got so much of the basics wrong yesterday. The back four continues to be a shambles. Collins and Naylor, as we know, is a bad pairing, and pushing Bruce out to right-back now appears to have been a mistake. Time and again the CBs were out of position, and they haven't got the pace to cope with that when the opposition attacks. Bruce was at fault for the goal, too, although I'm guessing he wasn't happy at full-back. McCartney acquitted himself quite well - but I think Grayson is hamstrung until we get Kisnorbo and Parker back. Sitting in front of the defence (in theory) was our supposedly defensive midfield Faye. He looks past it. He tried quite hard and did, to be fair, make some decent tackles, especially early on. But he's clueless about distribution and (as someone I chatted to in the crowd at half time pointed out), we need a Batty - someone who can win possession them play the easy, reliable ball to a flair player. Faye looks every inch the stop-gap. Worse, however, was that he seemed poorly briefed. Surely we all know we need cover for the CBs - but Faye kept getting sucked into what's an increasingly congested and aimless central midfield unit. Manager has to think about shape and discipline whenever we don't have the ball. We also know our midfield is hot-and-cold, and yesterday was a cold one. Howson was in and out of the game and lost possession a lot. Snoddy ran hard, but looks off his fitness. Championship Manager would have him at 85% fitness - playable, but you know he needs more time to come back. Kilkenny worries me. He's a gabby so-and-so - which is good if he's motivating and organising, but I think he spends too much time chiding and arguing. I saw his in conversation with Snoddy in the warm-up and Snoddy didn't look too engaged... Then at the re-start after Ipswich's 1st, he was wittering away like a fish-wife. Johnson looked quite lively, but he needs service. I watched the highlights DVD from last season this week, and he scored loads for us - all from close range. These days it's all long-range shots and limited options. Somma was good up front initially. He works hard, and (RW will like this) he's being a more like Becchio with skills - in that he's industrious. But then he had to be, with Snoddy quite deep off him and labouring without an out-and-out strike partner. Here's the thing: it looked like Grayson wanted us not to embarrass ourselves after Preston - and that was the wrong call. Keane (One Alfie Haarland, there's only one...) sets out his side to frustrate the opposition, even at home, and they did that brilliantly. We had loads of possession in the first half and kept running into blind alleys. Part of the reason was lack of support from midfield. And I think the players may be a bit gun-shy after ER midweek. At corners and free kicks, we lacked numbers and movement - so we failed to capitalise and still managed to get hit on the break. So: a few glimmers of hope. But we need to find a better way of holing it all together until our injury crisis - now most evident between the sticks after Higgs limped off (great save by Brown, mind!) - is over. Perhaps we should just close our eyes until January. Best, Richard Richard Young Freelance writer and editor 079 4108 1739 http://web.mac.com/richardjgyoung/ ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Ipswich from the stands
Almost forgot: subs. Grayson did manage to change things up and in the way most of us wanted - go for the win since we had nothing to lose at that point. Becchio had been getting songs almost from the kick-off, so the faithful were happy to see him on for a tiring and tactically nullified Johnson. He did his schtick - which is no bad thing since it meant some of our more speculative high balls carried more threat. Watt for Kilkenny was the right call, too, although we'd been so slow getting up from midfield that I doubted wingers would make much difference - their crossing options would be limited. In fact, of course, Watt was involved in Snoddy's goal - well worked, but about our only really convincing and coherent passage of play. Nevertheless, it shows why Grayson's the gaffer and I'm not. Bruce's second bookable looked dubious from the stands (we were all applauding the tackle, which was right in front of us), but Ipswich fans say he's prone to diving in, and we're hardly the most unbiased group of observers. So perhaps the replay shows different. (The Suffolk fuzz reacted to a surge at the barriers in the lower stand after the ref got his cards out by deploying 2005-vintage home video cameras and taking a group shot. It was quite funny, like a rowdy wedding. If the Met want to cut their budgets, perhaps they should buy some of those old Samsungs and forget all that high-def DV technology they cart around... Mind you, it did lead to a very rousing If you hate Leeds United Have a go...) After that, it was do or die - and with Naylor getting worse by the minute in the last quarter hour, it was a matter of time before we were overrun on the break. Which we were. I still can't believe they didn't score when they were 4-on-1 (seriously - and our one was Naylor huffing back from about 40 yards out) and we had our fourth-choice goalie between the posts. To repeat - there was enough on display to suggest we won't be troubling the bottom three. And with players back, top half remains a high probability. Just don't expect it to be pretty. RIchard ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Ipswich from the stands
I didnt think it was that bad. Both teams were just playing one upfront so it was never going to be a classic and we had a bit of a dogs breakfast of a team, with Howson playing right-wing, Bruce right-back and Somma upfront on his own. First half we were pretty solid, Ipswich scored with their only real attack and though we didnt create much ourselves we didnt deserve to be behind. Somma is undoubtedly a better player than Becchio, but i'm not sure he's that effective on his own upfront, he's a big lad but doesnt really use his side to hold the ball up that well or win much in the air - definitely prefers the ball into his feet. He was isolated though - Snoddy was playing in the 'hole' for most of the game but didnt get that close. A couple of times we worked good positions wide but had no-one to cross to. Second half Ipswich created a couple more chances but never really put us under any sustained pressure. The subs made us more attacking and after we scored i thought we looked the more likely winners. Unfortunately the sending off made a difference, Howson had to goto right-back but it was disappointing how quickly they scored (we're never that much better against 10 men) and that was a defensive mistake - free header. As you say they could have got another towards the end, messed up more than one men over breakaway. Faye looks a bit overweight and cant pass the ball forward but may be a necessary evil in the short-term, while we try and get the defence organised again. Higgs' injury was surreal - he seemed to get injured picking the ball up. Could do with Kasper back soon. Matt --- On Sun, 3/10/10, Richard Young richard.yo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Richard Young richard.yo...@gmail.com Subject: [LU] Ipswich from the stands To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Date: Sunday, 3 October, 2010, 12:45 This was pretty poor stuff and although Grayson did try to ring some changes after the Preston debacle, we now have several reasons to be concerned about progress this season. I'm going to pause there for a moment to indulge in a reality check. Mid-table is where most of us expected to be this season and mid-table is where we are. Players that were fine if inconsistent in Div3 are slightly less effective and just as inconsistent in Div2. I've been as guilty as the next fan of taking the bright points and magnifying them into unrealistic hope, and that must stop. We're going to lose pkenty more this season, and against much worse sides than Ipswich - so keep a level head. However. It's concerning that we got so much of the basics wrong yesterday. The back four continues to be a shambles. Collins and Naylor, as we know, is a bad pairing, and pushing Bruce out to right-back now appears to have been a mistake. Time and again the CBs were out of position, and they haven't got the pace to cope with that when the opposition attacks. Bruce was at fault for the goal, too, although I'm guessing he wasn't happy at full-back. McCartney acquitted himself quite well - but I think Grayson is hamstrung until we get Kisnorbo and Parker back. Sitting in front of the defence (in theory) was our supposedly defensive midfield Faye. He looks past it. He tried quite hard and did, to be fair, make some decent tackles, especially early on. But he's clueless about distribution and (as someone I chatted to in the crowd at half time pointed out), we need a Batty - someone who can win possession them play the easy, reliable ball to a flair player. Faye looks every inch the stop-gap. Worse, however, was that he seemed poorly briefed. Surely we all know we need cover for the CBs - but Faye kept getting sucked into what's an increasingly congested and aimless central midfield unit. Manager has to think about shape and discipline whenever we don't have the ball. We also know our midfield is hot-and-cold, and yesterday was a cold one. Howson was in and out of the game and lost possession a lot. Snoddy ran hard, but looks off his fitness. Championship Manager would have him at 85% fitness - playable, but you know he needs more time to come back. Kilkenny worries me. He's a gabby so-and-so - which is good if he's motivating and organising, but I think he spends too much time chiding and arguing. I saw his in conversation with Snoddy in the warm-up and Snoddy didn't look too engaged... Then at the re-start after Ipswich's 1st, he was wittering away like a fish-wife. Johnson looked quite lively, but he needs service. I watched the highlights DVD from last season this week, and he scored loads for us - all from close range. These days it's all long-range shots and limited options. Somma was good up front initially. He works hard, and (RW will like this) he's being a more like Becchio with skills - in that he's industrious. But then he had to be, with Snoddy quite deep off him and labouring without an out-and-out strike partner. Here's the thing: it looked like Grayson wanted us not to embarrass ourselves after Preston
Re: [LU] Ipswich from the stands
Hasn't Faye played at the back before now? Larry has got 2 weeks now to try and cobble together a defence. He is obviously without Paddy presumably Parker, plus Bruce who will be suspended. Unless he can get a PL youngster in on loan (and I note that some Tottenham whizzkid CB with whom we had been linked - can't recall his name - went to Bristol City on loan last week), then he hasn't got many options. The only things he hasn't tried yet are Faye at CB or throwing in the apparently massively out-of-favour Bromby or even more o-o-f Crowe. McCartney was only here for a month, wasn't he, which must be nearly up unless we can extend it. And then there is Clayton...if we had a month on loan to look at him and then went ahead and signed him, Grayson must like something about him. Could he be a RB? If it were me, I would decide on my best 6 (keeper - back 4 - holding MFer) and drill them into the ground in the hope of developing a bit of understanding and cohesion. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER