Re: [LU] Max wober
Hi Dave, Yes it does not add up in my mind either. If we need a left back, then sign one. If the current set of Centre Backs aren’t good enough, then why give 2 of them new contracts at a time when the other 2 appear to be first choice. He may prove to be an upgrade in both roles but it doesn’t make a great deal of sense to me at the moment. KOT. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
[LU] Max wober
Will wait to see him play a few times before making an assessment but it does seem underwhelming at this point , none of the fan sites seem excited. It is unclear if he is a centre back who has recently been converted to left back , in the same way we have done with Struik , or a genuine left back, but he we need a specialist in the full back positions given their importance in the modern game and our system He knows Marsch and a few other players but us too reminiscent of wilko and his Sheff Wed recruits, who were very hit and miss in their success rate. An easy option. He has been playing for the stand out team in a poor league, 3 consecutive league and cup doubles (?) So it may take time to get up to speed ? At least he gets Cardiff away to learn how things are over here. Of course I wish him well , the second Austrian to play for us ? Martin Hiden was decent but unspectacular, at least till he dyed his hair- So welcome Max , lets hope you prove to be the business Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
[LU] Max Gradel
Good to see Max starting for Ivory Coast v England. Top player for us - apart from his sending off ( though with hindsight that made the result even better) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
Re: [LU] Max Gradel
I think, in Smith's specific case - he was developed, not bought so no 3rd party 'owned' him or his registration as they did with Dacourt, for example. We may have exaggerated the book value of players (Kewell for example - his transfer fee went to his arsehole of an agent, anyway!) but that was merely for mortgaging purposes wasn't it? in any case, the point remains that any money in in those days went to paying off debts? Makes me a bill ill thinking about it all Its a long time ago and I don't remember all the details, but if I'm not mistaken that logic -- which would be spot on in most contexts -- did not apply at the time because all of the player contracts were hocked. In other words, that 7 million quid did nothing for us. It reduced a mountainous debt by a minimal and barely perceivable amount. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Max Gradel
I don't think that the stadium should be a place for car salesman or Jehovah's Witness conferences, as per Bates and his 'diversified income stream' shit. OK, so just leave that massive bricks-and-mortar asset standing unused for 340 days of the year. Who cares if car dealers or crazy cult corner pays the club money to use a conference room on a wet Tuesday in February when we're not playing? It's a good source of revenue. Can't you see that? My Bates comment is completely accurate - you supported most of the projects he ran whilst sucking money out of the football club. You can't just change sides now he's gone. It's just the way that things work, I'm afraid. No, your Bates comment is not accurate. My comments were as relevant to GFH, Risible or Manny Cussins. I was talking about the BUSINESS of running a Football Club. Using a skill set called Objectiivity, which is clearly beyond you. Irrelevant who's in charge. At the time we were stuck with Bates as chairman. Nothing much we could do about that, was there. Though I do recall you coming up with one idea. Just as well it was on this list, not Twitter or Facebook, as the finest lawyers in Monaco would have found another source of revenue - you. I'm sure that there are other sources of funding available to build conference centres and loss making radio stations and restaurants.That funding still needs to be paid back out if the one main source of income for the club - match going fans and player sales. See the last ten years. Perhaps you should support Vodaphone, Virgin or Sainsbury's? Are you just being wilfully dim? If you borrowed money to build a conference centre, you should be working to a business plan, where the revenue from the conference centre would pay off the money you borrowed over a set period. After that you're generating profits to plough back into the core business. Can't you grasp this? It's nothing to do with the personalities involved. Just strategies for running a business. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Max Gradel
I really cba getting into this with you any further. We disagree, and I don't want to get into a flame war with you. It's boring - like you. Sent from my iPhone On 18 Dec 2013, at 23:33, markbu...@aol.com wrote: I don't think that the stadium should be a place for car salesman or Jehovah's Witness conferences, as per Bates and his 'diversified income stream' shit. OK, so just leave that massive bricks-and-mortar asset standing unused for 340 days of the year. Who cares if car dealers or crazy cult corner pays the club money to use a conference room on a wet Tuesday in February when we're not playing? It's a good source of revenue. Can't you see that? My Bates comment is completely accurate - you supported most of the projects he ran whilst sucking money out of the football club. You can't just change sides now he's gone. It's just the way that things work, I'm afraid. No, your Bates comment is not accurate. My comments were as relevant to GFH, Risible or Manny Cussins. I was talking about the BUSINESS of running a Football Club. Using a skill set called Objectiivity, which is clearly beyond you. Irrelevant who's in charge. At the time we were stuck with Bates as chairman. Nothing much we could do about that, was there. Though I do recall you coming up with one idea. Just as well it was on this list, not Twitter or Facebook, as the finest lawyers in Monaco would have found another source of revenue - you. I'm sure that there are other sources of funding available to build conference centres and loss making radio stations and restaurants.That funding still needs to be paid back out if the one main source of income for the club - match going fans and player sales. See the last ten years. Perhaps you should support Vodaphone, Virgin or Sainsbury's? Are you just being wilfully dim? If you borrowed money to build a conference centre, you should be working to a business plan, where the revenue from the conference centre would pay off the money you borrowed over a set period. After that you're generating profits to plough back into the core business. Can't you grasp this? It's nothing to do with the personalities involved. Just strategies for running a business. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Max Gradel
Can somebody actually say something about Max Gradel in this thread? I keep clicking on it only to find an endlessly boring argument. Thanks Jeremy From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 23:37:16 +0800 To: markbu...@aol.com CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Max Gradel I really cba getting into this with you any further. We disagree, and I don't want to get into a flame war with you. It's boring - like you. Sent from my iPhone On 18 Dec 2013, at 23:33, markbu...@aol.com wrote: I don't think that the stadium should be a place for car salesman or Jehovah's Witness conferences, as per Bates and his 'diversified income stream' shit. OK, so just leave that massive bricks-and-mortar asset standing unused for 340 days of the year. Who cares if car dealers or crazy cult corner pays the club money to use a conference room on a wet Tuesday in February when we're not playing? It's a good source of revenue. Can't you see that? My Bates comment is completely accurate - you supported most of the projects he ran whilst sucking money out of the football club. You can't just change sides now he's gone. It's just the way that things work, I'm afraid. No, your Bates comment is not accurate. My comments were as relevant to GFH, Risible or Manny Cussins. I was talking about the BUSINESS of running a Football Club. Using a skill set called Objectiivity, which is clearly beyond you. Irrelevant who's in charge. At the time we were stuck with Bates as chairman. Nothing much we could do about that, was there. Though I do recall you coming up with one idea. Just as well it was on this list, not Twitter or Facebook, as the finest lawyers in Monaco would have found another source of revenue - you. I'm sure that there are other sources of funding available to build conference centres and loss making radio stations and restaurants.That funding still needs to be paid back out if the one main source of income for the club - match going fans and player sales. See the last ten years. Perhaps you should support Vodaphone, Virgin or Sainsbury's? Are you just being wilfully dim? If you borrowed money to build a conference centre, you should be working to a business plan, where the revenue from the conference centre would pay off the money you borrowed over a set period. After that you're generating profits to plough back into the core business. Can't you grasp this? It's nothing to do with the personalities involved. Just strategies for running a business. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Max Gradel
Yeah - I would love it if he returned and would welcome him with open arms! I see the club's Facebook account has two pictures of him today. Teasing?! Sent from my iPhone On 19 Dec 2013, at 0:50, Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com wrote: Can somebody actually say something about Max Gradel in this thread? I keep clicking on it only to find an endlessly boring argument. Thanks Jeremy From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 23:37:16 +0800 To: markbu...@aol.com CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Max Gradel I really cba getting into this with you any further. We disagree, and I don't want to get into a flame war with you. It's boring - like you. Sent from my iPhone On 18 Dec 2013, at 23:33, markbu...@aol.com wrote: I don't think that the stadium should be a place for car salesman or Jehovah's Witness conferences, as per Bates and his 'diversified income stream' shit. OK, so just leave that massive bricks-and-mortar asset standing unused for 340 days of the year. Who cares if car dealers or crazy cult corner pays the club money to use a conference room on a wet Tuesday in February when we're not playing? It's a good source of revenue. Can't you see that? My Bates comment is completely accurate - you supported most of the projects he ran whilst sucking money out of the football club. You can't just change sides now he's gone. It's just the way that things work, I'm afraid. No, your Bates comment is not accurate. My comments were as relevant to GFH, Risible or Manny Cussins. I was talking about the BUSINESS of running a Football Club. Using a skill set called Objectiivity, which is clearly beyond you. Irrelevant who's in charge. At the time we were stuck with Bates as chairman. Nothing much we could do about that, was there. Though I do recall you coming up with one idea. Just as well it was on this list, not Twitter or Facebook, as the finest lawyers in Monaco would have found another source of revenue - you. I'm sure that there are other sources of funding available to build conference centres and loss making radio stations and restaurants.That funding still needs to be paid back out if the one main source of income for the club - match going fans and player sales. See the last ten years. Perhaps you should support Vodaphone, Virgin or Sainsbury's? Are you just being wilfully dim? If you borrowed money to build a conference centre, you should be working to a business plan, where the revenue from the conference centre would pay off the money you borrowed over a set period. After that you're generating profits to plough back into the core business. Can't you grasp this? It's nothing to do with the personalities involved. Just strategies for running a business. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Max Gradel
on loan YES, purchase NO. ttfn Richard Triumph Computer Services 01273 505214 07974870424 -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Adams Sent: 18 December 2013 16:50 To: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Max Gradel Can somebody actually say something about Max Gradel in this thread? I keep clicking on it only to find an endlessly boring argument. Thanks Jeremy From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 23:37:16 +0800 To: markbu...@aol.com CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Max Gradel I really cba getting into this with you any further. We disagree, and I don't want to get into a flame war with you. It's boring - like you. Sent from my iPhone On 18 Dec 2013, at 23:33, markbu...@aol.com wrote: I don't think that the stadium should be a place for car salesman or Jehovah's Witness conferences, as per Bates and his 'diversified income stream' shit. OK, so just leave that massive bricks-and-mortar asset standing unused for 340 days of the year. Who cares if car dealers or crazy cult corner pays the club money to use a conference room on a wet Tuesday in February when we're not playing? It's a good source of revenue. Can't you see that? My Bates comment is completely accurate - you supported most of the projects he ran whilst sucking money out of the football club. You can't just change sides now he's gone. It's just the way that things work, I'm afraid. No, your Bates comment is not accurate. My comments were as relevant to GFH, Risible or Manny Cussins. I was talking about the BUSINESS of running a Football Club. Using a skill set called Objectiivity, which is clearly beyond you. Irrelevant who's in charge. At the time we were stuck with Bates as chairman. Nothing much we could do about that, was there. Though I do recall you coming up with one idea. Just as well it was on this list, not Twitter or Facebook, as the finest lawyers in Monaco would have found another source of revenue - you. I'm sure that there are other sources of funding available to build conference centres and loss making radio stations and restaurants.That funding still needs to be paid back out if the one main source of income for the club - match going fans and player sales. See the last ten years. Perhaps you should support Vodaphone, Virgin or Sainsbury's? Are you just being wilfully dim? If you borrowed money to build a conference centre, you should be working to a business plan, where the revenue from the conference centre would pay off the money you borrowed over a set period. After that you're generating profits to plough back into the core business. Can't you grasp this? It's nothing to do with the personalities involved. Just strategies for running a business. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Max Gradel
What I was remembering was that the hocking happened in credit document covenants that covered ALL players, not just ones purchased. Like I said, though, it was a long time ago and I could very easily be wrong. Michael A. Gardiner LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 San Diego, CA 92101 Phone: 619.238.9800 Fax: 619.814.3727 E-mail: mgardi...@gardinerlegal.commailto:mgardi...@gardinerlegal.com Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including any attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for review by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client or attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any attachments, without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended transmission shall not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege. On Dec 18, 2013, at 2:25 PM, leedslist-requ...@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist-requ...@gn.apc.org wrote: Message-ID: dub117-w13d7abe40b4f5cae7cba481...@phx.gblmailto:dub117-w13d7abe40b4f5cae7cba481...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I think, in Smith's specific case - he was developed, not bought so no 3rd party 'owned' him or his registration as they did with Dacourt, for example. We may have exaggerated the book value of players (Kewell for example - his transfer fee went to his arsehole of an agent, anyway!) but that was merely for mortgaging purposes wasn't it? in any case, the point remains that any money in in those days went to paying off debts? Makes me a bill ill thinking about it all Its a long time ago and I don't remember all the details, but if I'm not mistaken that logic -- which would be spot on in most contexts -- did not apply at the time because all of the player contracts were hocked. In other words, that 7 million quid did nothing for us. It reduced a mountainous debt by a minimal and barely perceivable amount. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Max Gradel
Seems that us being linked with bringing back Gradel is more than just media speculation. I know we need a winger but I have really mixed feelings about this. In my view in one of the biggest games in our long history Gradel lost the plot and almost cost us promotion. Add to that his celebrations after we beat Bristol Rovers and it really annoyed me - he must be as thick skinned as that reptile John Terry. Then first chance he gets for a pay-day he is off and plays the family in France card. Well his family are still in France so why, apparently, is he looking to return? Ah, because he can earn some more dough. I think he treated us shabbily. I know a lot of listers would take him back tomorrow and argue that today's footballers are all mercenaries etc. Fair enough, it just craws in my throat a bit. Mild rant over. MOT ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Max Gradel
Phill, With you on this one. On Tuesday, 17 December 2013, 12:41, Phill Shields phillshie...@hotmail.com wrote: Seems that us being linked with bringing back Gradel is more than just media speculation. I know we need a winger but I have really mixed feelings about this. In my view in one of the biggest games in our long history Gradel lost the plot and almost cost us promotion. Add to that his celebrations after we beat Bristol Rovers and it really annoyed me - he must be as thick skinned as that reptile John Terry. Then first chance he gets for a pay-day he is off and plays the family in France card. Well his family are still in France so why, apparently, is he looking to return? Ah, because he can earn some more dough. I think he treated us shabbily. I know a lot of listers would take him back tomorrow and argue that today's footballers are all mercenaries etc. Fair enough, it just craws in my throat a bit. Mild rant over. MOT ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Max Gradel
what you say is true, but all players are mercenary to some extent, but I doubt if he'll earn as much in the UK as he does in France, but my main concern is that he's only played occasionally since getting seriously injured last year. Back on loan to see if he's any good anymore would be the best option for me. ttfn Richard Triumph Computer Services 01273 505214 07974870424 -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Phill Shields Sent: 17 December 2013 12:42 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] Max Gradel Seems that us being linked with bringing back Gradel is more than just media speculation. I know we need a winger but I have really mixed feelings about this. In my view in one of the biggest games in our long history Gradel lost the plot and almost cost us promotion. Add to that his celebrations after we beat Bristol Rovers and it really annoyed me - he must be as thick skinned as that reptile John Terry. Then first chance he gets for a pay-day he is off and plays the family in France card. Well his family are still in France so why, apparently, is he looking to return? Ah, because he can earn some more dough. I think he treated us shabbily. I know a lot of listers would take him back tomorrow and argue that today's footballers are all mercenaries etc. Fair enough, it just craws in my throat a bit. Mild rant over. MOT ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Max Gradel
Seems that us being linked with bringing back Gradel is more than just media speculation. If it is more than media speculation is it not just an agent trick for an improved contract? He is highly thought of at St Etienne who are French First Division and its World Cup season, why would he really want to come to the obscurity of the English 2nd tier? Cheers Paul ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Max Gradel
Difficult one for me this, Max, along with Beckford, is my favourite player post first relegation, and IF he can play like he did it would be a real coup. Having said that he did leave us (although it was to better himself and his career, albeit the timing was awful) Add to that the fact that he had a bad injury and a couple of posters on waccoe claim to have watched him since his comeback and he is not the same player, and the adage 'never go back'* and maybe it is not a good idea. He has no connection to Brian McD and we should be looking forward not back, so as with the speculation with Beckford and Becchio it is a 'no' from me (but with the proviso if it does happen and he powers us to glory I always wanted him back) * I suppose both Batty (up to a point) and Baird proved going back is not always a bad thing Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Max Gradel
You may be right about his agent being behind this Paul. Apparently his contract with St Etienne expires in 2015 so the timing would fit with your assessment. This time it feels to have more legs about it for me though. As regards swapping French top tier with our 2nd tier I do not think that is an issue. Apart from PSG I reckon wages in English Championship would be comparable with most French clubs and definitely St Etienne. I've already said he'd follow the money so I don't think the World Cup is a factor. You will have gathered I hope it is his agent behind this and I personally am not bothered about having him back. MOT Subject: Re: [LU] Max Gradel To: phillshie...@hotmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org From: p...@cundell.com Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:53:21 + Seems that us being linked with bringing back Gradel is more than just media speculation. If it is more than media speculation is it not just an agent trick for an improved contract? He is highly thought of at St Etienne who are French First Division and its World Cup season, why would he really want to come to the obscurity of the English 2nd tier? Cheers Paul ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Max Gradel
No from me. Same feeling over bristol rovers. He nearly cost us dear. Liked him but he left and that's that. Young keen hungry players is what we need. Same goes for any of the Norwich team. Gone, fondly remembered but that's it Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Phill Shields phillshie...@hotmail.com Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:41:46 To: leedslist@gn.apc.orgleedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] Max Gradel Seems that us being linked with bringing back Gradel is more than just media speculation. I know we need a winger but I have really mixed feelings about this. In my view in one of the biggest games in our long history Gradel lost the plot and almost cost us promotion. Add to that his celebrations after we beat Bristol Rovers and it really annoyed me - he must be as thick skinned as that reptile John Terry. Then first chance he gets for a pay-day he is off and plays the family in France card. Well his family are still in France so why, apparently, is he looking to return? Ah, because he can earn some more dough. I think he treated us shabbily. I know a lot of listers would take him back tomorrow and argue that today's footballers are all mercenaries etc. Fair enough, it just craws in my throat a bit. Mild rant over. MOT ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Max Gradel
Ligue Un isn't a rich league. PSG and Monaco have rich benefactors now and marseilles are traditionally a top european club but most clubs get championship or lower crowds and I guess championship and lower wages. They also have the threat of a new 75% tax band coming in which will either see clubs go bust or players desert the league Anyone remember the game v Troyes. Only about 15000 for the visit of world footballing power Leeds United and I reckon a big minority were Leeds fans Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Phill Shields phillshie...@hotmail.com Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:05:48 To: p...@cundell.comp...@cundell.com; leedslist@gn.apc.orgleedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Max Gradel You may be right about his agent being behind this Paul. Apparently his contract with St Etienne expires in 2015 so the timing would fit with your assessment. This time it feels to have more legs about it for me though. As regards swapping French top tier with our 2nd tier I do not think that is an issue. Apart from PSG I reckon wages in English Championship would be comparable with most French clubs and definitely St Etienne. I've already said he'd follow the money so I don't think the World Cup is a factor. You will have gathered I hope it is his agent behind this and I personally am not bothered about having him back. MOT Subject: Re: [LU] Max Gradel To: phillshie...@hotmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org From: p...@cundell.com Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:53:21 + Seems that us being linked with bringing back Gradel is more than just media speculation. If it is more than media speculation is it not just an agent trick for an improved contract? He is highly thought of at St Etienne who are French First Division and its World Cup season, why would he really want to come to the obscurity of the English 2nd tier? Cheers Paul ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Disagree entirely. He fucked off Bates and the selling club we were. He needs to go where the money is for his family and I would much rather our 'stars' go abroad than, say, to scum (like Smith - who many Unfathomably still laud). He earned promotion with his performances and was entitled to celebrate. Yeah he lost his head but at least he had passion for the cause. Open arms, mate. MOT Sent from my iPhone On 17 Dec 2013, at 20:42, Phill Shields phillshie...@hotmail.com wrote: Seems that us being linked with bringing back Gradel is more than just media speculation. I know we need a winger but I have really mixed feelings about this. In my view in one of the biggest games in our long history Gradel lost the plot and almost cost us promotion. Add to that his celebrations after we beat Bristol Rovers and it really annoyed me - he must be as thick skinned as that reptile John Terry. Then first chance he gets for a pay-day he is off and plays the family in France card. Well his family are still in France so why, apparently, is he looking to return? Ah, because he can earn some more dough. I think he treated us shabbily. I know a lot of listers would take him back tomorrow and argue that today's footballers are all mercenaries etc. Fair enough, it just craws in my throat a bit. Mild rant over. MOT ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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say, to scum (like Smith - who many Unfathomably still laud). It's pretty fathomable if you look at the facts at the time. M ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Good job Thirkers aint here or we'd be re-signing some outlandish Welsh bloke who played alongside Big John in the 50s :-) Sent from my BlackBerry Arsebook ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Facts as stated by whom? I see opinion and statements from people with an interest - I don't see objective facts. The only objective fact is we went down and he decided to sign for them. Our fans were already at a low ebb and definitely did not need that. You think he saved the club? Proposterous. Sent from my iPhone On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:19, markbu...@aol.com wrote: say, to scum (like Smith - who many Unfathomably still laud). It's pretty fathomable if you look at the facts at the time. M ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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OK, run through the alternatives to selling Smith to the only club that tabled an offer that got him off the payroll and helped bail out the sinking ship with £7m? M In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:22:56 GMT Standard Time, ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes: Facts as stated by whom? I see opinion and statements from people with an interest - I don't see objective facts. The only objective fact is we went down and he decided to sign for them. Our fans were already at a low ebb and definitely did not need that. You think he saved the club? Proposterous. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Where is this info from? Lorimer? Same guy who said Howson had to go, Grayson had to go etc etc. I just don't buy it - sorry but other teams were in for him. The ship was sunk anyway and if he was such a hero he would have deferred wages. Sent from my iPhone On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:33, markbu...@aol.com wrote: OK, run through the alternatives to selling Smith to the only club that tabled an offer that got him off the payroll and helped bail out the sinking ship with £7m? M In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:22:56 GMT Standard Time, ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes: Facts as stated by whom? I see opinion and statements from people with an interest - I don't see objective facts. The only objective fact is we went down and he decided to sign for them. Our fans were already at a low ebb and definitelydid not need that. You think he saved the club? Proposterous. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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It's what happened at the time. No other teams were in for him with £7m. No other teams were in for him without expecting us to contribute to his wages. It was not his decision to go. The club sold him. He was entitled to a loyalty bonus, which he waived. Do you seriously expect professional sportsmen to play for nothing? Would you do your job for nothing in order to save your employer? Dreamland. In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:36:16 GMT Standard Time, ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes: Where is this info from? Lorimer? Same guy who said Howson had to go, Grayson had to go etc etc. I just don't buy it - sorry but other teams were in for him. The ship was sunk anyway and if he was such a hero he would have deferred wages. Sent from my iPhone On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:33, _MarkBursa@aol.com_ (mailto:markbu...@aol.com) wrote: OK, run through the alternatives to selling Smith to the only club that tabled an offer that got him off the payroll and helped bail out the sinking ship with £7m? M In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:22:56 GMT Standard Time, _ianjamesmurray@hotmail.com_ (mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com) writes: Facts as stated by whom? I see opinion and statements from people with an interest - I don't see objective facts. The only objective fact is we went down and he decided to sign for them. Our fans were already at a low ebb and definitely did not need that. You think he saved the club? Proposterous. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Harold Williams? Verner tHe LiTtLe YeLlOw DaFfOdIl @}-,-'-- From: John Boocock j...@boocock.net To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, 17 December 2013, 13:23 Subject: Re: [LU] Max Gradel Good job Thirkers aint here or we'd be re-signing some outlandish Welsh bloke who played alongside Big John in the 50s :-) Sent from my BlackBerry Arsebook ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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I'm not a millionaire but yes I would if I professed to love my employer. It's not a normal job. Mark, you don't know anything about the ins and outs of the deal. You only know what people with an interest have said in the press. Sent from my iPhone On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:41, markbu...@aol.com wrote: It's what happened at the time. No other teams were in for him with £7m. No other teams were in for him without expecting us to contribute to his wages. It was not his decision to go. The club sold him. He was entitled to a loyalty bonus, which he waived. Do you seriously expect professional sportsmen to play for nothing? Would you do your job for nothing in order to save your employer? Dreamland. In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:36:16 GMT Standard Time, ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes: Where is this info from? Lorimer? Same guy who said Howson had to go, Grayson had to go etc etc. I just don't buy it - sorry but other teams were in for him. The ship was sunk anyway and if he was such a hero he would have deferred wages. Sent from my iPhone On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:33, markbu...@aol.com wrote: OK, run through the alternatives to selling Smith to the only club that tabled an offer that got him off the payroll and helped bail out the sinking ship with £7m? M In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:22:56 GMT Standard Time, ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes: Facts as stated by whom? I see opinion and statements from people with an interest - I don't see objective facts. The only objective fact is we went down and he decided to sign for them. Our fans were already at a low ebb and definitely did not need that. You think he saved the club? Proposterous. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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But there was no option for Smith to stay. ManU offered £7m for him. Under what circumstances would the management of a failing business have refused that? What Smith said was irrelevant. He had no option to stay, even playing for nothing. I have a pretty good idea about the deal. What was reported at the time was pretty accurate. In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:43:39 GMT Standard Time, ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes: I'm not a millionaire but yes I would if I professed to love my employer. It's not a normal job. Mark, you don't know anything about the ins and outs of the deal. You only know what people with an interest have said in the press. Sent from my iPhone On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:41, _MarkBursa@aol.com_ (mailto:markbu...@aol.com) wrote: It's what happened at the time. No other teams were in for him with £7m. No other teams were in for him without expecting us to contribute to his wages. It was not his decision to go. The club sold him. He was entitled to a loyalty bonus, which he waived. Do you seriously expect professional sportsmen to play for nothing? Would you do your job for nothing in order to save your employer? Dreamland. In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:36:16 GMT Standard Time, _ianjamesmurray@hotmail.com_ (mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com) writes: Where is this info from? Lorimer? Same guy who said Howson had to go, Grayson had to go etc etc. I just don't buy it - sorry but other teams were in for him. The ship was sunk anyway and if he was such a hero he would have deferred wages. Sent from my iPhone On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:33, _MarkBursa@aol.com_ (mailto:markbu...@aol.com) wrote: OK, run through the alternatives to selling Smith to the only club that tabled an offer that got him off the payroll and helped bail out the sinking ship with £7m? M In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:22:56 GMT Standard Time, _ianjamesmurray@hotmail.com_ (mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com) writes: Facts as stated by whom? I see opinion and statements from people with an interest - I don't see objective facts. The only objective fact is we went down and he decided to sign for them. Our fans were already at a low ebb and definitely did not need that. You think he saved the club? Proposterous. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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No you don't have any idea about the deal - only what you have read publicised by people with an interest in it. Anyway, cba, even I find this boring and I'm sure other listers do. There's no point in arguing - neither of us will change our minds. I will say this though, you were a supporter of Bates' policies in terms of redeveloping the ground etc and have zero credibility with me when it comes to this stuff. Sent from my iPhone On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:51, markbu...@aol.com wrote: But there was no option for Smith to stay. ManU offered £7m for him. Under what circumstances would the management of a failing business have refused that? What Smith said was irrelevant. He had no option to stay, even playing for nothing. I have a pretty good idea about the deal. What was reported at the time was pretty accurate. In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:43:39 GMT Standard Time, ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes: I'm not a millionaire but yes I would if I professed to love my employer. It's not a normal job. Mark, you don't know anything about the ins and outs of the deal. You only know what people with an interest have said in the press. Sent from my iPhone On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:41, markbu...@aol.com wrote: It's what happened at the time. No other teams were in for him with £7m. No other teams were in for him without expecting us to contribute to his wages. It was not his decision to go. The club sold him. He was entitled to a loyalty bonus, which he waived. Do you seriously expect professional sportsmen to play for nothing? Would you do your job for nothing in order to save your employer? Dreamland. In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:36:16 GMT Standard Time, ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes: Where is this info from? Lorimer? Same guy who said Howson had to go, Grayson had to go etc etc. I just don't buy it - sorry but other teams were in for him. The ship was sunk anyway and if he was such a hero he would have deferred wages. Sent from my iPhone On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:33, markbu...@aol.com wrote: OK, run through the alternatives to selling Smith to the only club that tabled an offer that got him off the payroll and helped bail out the sinking ship with £7m? M In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:22:56 GMT Standard Time, ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes: Facts as stated by whom? I see opinion and statements from people with an interest - I don't see objective facts. The only objective fact is we went down and he decided to sign for them. Our fans were already at a low ebb and definitely did not need that. You think he saved the club? Proposterous. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Oi you two, this is not good enough, neither of you have slagged off me and Rick yet. Call this a quality debate? Minnows Betty PS surely it was Smith's agent who called the shots, Ridsdale wouldn't have recognised Smith if he'd bumped into him in Sainsburys. (They do have Sainsburys in Leeds don't they?) Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Ian, why do you assume I simply get information from reading the papers? How do you know I don't have better sources? I remain a supporter of developing the stadium. It's pretty grim in many places compared to state-of-the-art premiership grounds. Don't you think we shouldn't have a decent stadium? The point I have on several occasions tried to make to you is that different funding sources are available for capital projects such as building developments compared to the funding needed for player transfers. It's just the way business funding works. The club is a business and should be looking to maximise whatever profit opportunity is available - for the benefit of the business. Nothing to do with Bates, or whoever is in the boardroom. Your Bates comment is a cheap shot, and wholly innacurate. Frankly Ian, I find most of your posts to be childish and immature. Everything is so black white with you. Perhaps you should support Newcastle. In a message dated 17/12/2013 14:24:25 GMT Standard Time, ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes: No you don't have any idea about the deal - only what you have read publicised by people with an interest in it. Anyway, cba, even I find this boring and I'm sure other listers do. There's no point in arguing - neither of us will change our minds. I will say this though, you were a supporter of Bates' policies in terms of redeveloping the ground etc and have zero credibility with me when it comes to this stuff. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Betty, they do have Sainsburys in Leeds - unfortunately Ridsdale was shopping in Waitrose with a Lidl credit card :-) Sent from my iPhone On 17 Dec 2013, at 19:17, j...@boocock.net wrote: Oi you two, this is not good enough, neither of you have slagged off me and Rick yet. Call this a quality debate? Minnows Betty PS surely it was Smith's agent who called the shots, Ridsdale wouldn't have recognised Smith if he'd bumped into him in Sainsburys. (They do have Sainsburys in Leeds don't they?) Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Remember Troyes? Indeed, those where the days. We filled a mini-bus down to the game.Started in Amsterdam picking others up on the way through Netherlands and Belgium. Got down there mid-afternoonish, met up with other listers and leeds fans. Lots of good craick, good few and not a small amount of alcohol. Good game to, outsung the Troyes supporters. The the journey back after the game. Me and John got the mini-bus back to the hire firm about 6.00 in the morning. As they opened at 7.00 rather than just leave it there and have to come back later we went and found a market cafe already open and drank coffee till time to go back and be on the door as they opened. Got everything settled up and went home to bed guy On 17 Dec 2013 at 13:12, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Ligue Un isn't a rich league. PSG and Monaco have rich benefactors now and marseilles are traditionally a top european club but most clubs get championship or lower crowds and I guess championship and lower wages. They also have the threat of a new 75% tax band coming in which will either see clubs go bust or players desert the league Anyone remember the game v Troyes. Only about 15000 for the visit of world footballing power Leeds United and I reckon a big minority were Leeds fans Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Phill Shields phillshie...@hotmail.com Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:05:48 To: p...@cundell.comp...@cundell.com; leedslist@gn.apc.orgleedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Max Gradel You may be right about his agent being behind this Paul. Apparently his contract with St Etienne expires in 2015 so the timing would fit with your assessment. This time it feels to have more legs about it for me though. As regards swapping French top tier with our 2nd tier I do not think that is an issue. Apart from PSG I reckon wages in English Championship would be comparable with most French clubs and definitely St Etienne. I've already said he'd follow the money so I don't think the World Cup is a factor. You will have gathered I hope it is his agent behind this and I personally am not bothered about having him back. MOT Subject: Re: [LU] Max Gradel To: phillshie...@hotmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org From: p...@cundell.com Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:53:21 + Seems that us being linked with bringing back Gradel is more than just media speculation. If it is more than media speculation is it not just an agent trick for an improved contract? He is highly thought of at St Etienne who are French First Division and its World Cup season, why would he really want to come to the obscurity of the English 2nd tier? Cheers Paul ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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I don't think that the stadium should be a place for car salesman or Jehovah's Witness conferences, as per Bates and his 'diversified income stream' shit. My Bates comment is completely accurate - you supported most of the projects he ran whilst sucking money out of the football club. You can't just change sides now he's gone. It's just the way that things work, I'm afraid. I'm sure that there are other sources of funding available to build conference centres and loss making radio stations and restaurants.That funding still needs to be paid back out if the one main source of income for the club - match going fans and player sales. See the last ten years. Perhaps you should support Vodaphone, Virgin or Sainsbury's? Sent from my iPhone On 18 Dec 2013, at 2:30, markbu...@aol.com wrote: Ian, why do you assume I simply get information from reading the papers? How do you know I don't have better sources? I remain a supporter of developing the stadium. It's pretty grim in many places compared to state-of-the-art premiership grounds. Don't you think we shouldn't have a decent stadium? The point I have on several occasions tried to make to you is that different funding sources are available for capital projects such as building developments compared to the funding needed for player transfers. It's just the way business funding works. The club is a business and should be looking to maximise whatever profit opportunity is available - for the benefit of the business. Nothing to do with Bates, or whoever is in the boardroom. Your Bates comment is a cheap shot, and wholly innacurate. Frankly Ian, I find most of your posts to be childish and immature. Everything is so black white with you. Perhaps you should support Newcastle. In a message dated 17/12/2013 14:24:25 GMT Standard Time, ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes: No you don't have any idea about the deal - only what you have read publicised by people with an interest in it. Anyway, cba, even I find this boring and I'm sure other listers do. There's no point in arguing - neither of us will change our minds. I will say this though, you were a supporter of Bates' policies in terms of redeveloping the ground etc and have zero credibility with me when it comes to this stuff. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Max Gradel
Its a long time ago and I don't remember all the details, but if I'm not mistaken that logic -- which would be spot on in most contexts -- did not apply at the time because all of the player contracts were hocked. In other words, that 7 million quid did nothing for us. It reduced a mountainous debt by a minimal and barely perceivable amount. Michael A. Gardiner LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 San Diego, CA 92101 Phone: 619.238.9800 Fax: 619.814.3727 E-mail: mgardi...@gardinerlegal.commailto:mgardi...@gardinerlegal.com Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including any attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for review by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client or attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any attachments, without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended transmission shall not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege. On Dec 17, 2013, at 3:46 PM, leedslist-requ...@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist-requ...@gn.apc.org wrote: But there was no option for Smith to stay. ManU offered ?7m for him. Under what circumstances would the management of a failing business have refused that? What Smith said was irrelevant. He had no option to stay, even playing for nothing. I have a pretty good idea about the deal. What was reported at the time was pretty accurate. * ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Max - planning to stick around?
Just me being my usual glass half empty... :-) AndyE On 24 July 2011 21:26, Simon Austin simon...@auzsoft.net wrote: All of that was without a single supporting quote from anyone. But when he does give a quote saying he wants to stay... - Si __**_ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.**org.uk/mailman/listinfo/** leedslist http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.**orgleedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Max - planning to stick around?
You have every right to be sceptical and pessimistic, I still remember the Sunday Mr interview from R£o saying he wanted to stay at Leeds - published on the day he gave Riddler his transfer request. Andy E wrote: Just me being my usual glass half empty... :-) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
[LU] Max wins it all!
http://www.teamtalk.com/leeds-united/6909991/Whites-star-lands-double-award well done Max. as for the last game of the season lets go all out to score even more goals so I reckon its time to try my patented 2-3-3-2 formation that worked so well in Premier League Manager 99; Kasper Naylor O'Brien, Howson, Kilkenny, Johnson Max, Snoddy McCormack Becchio, Paynter ;) Royal Wedding - don't give a fuck, more important issues to resolve to make UK a fairer country. Hope they have a wonderful life together and don't get screwed by the Palace - unlike Billy Davies who I really really hope does. AV - its not real PR, but its still superior in almost everyway to FPtP ttfn Richard. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
[LU] Max!
yes! 1-0 lets take this one qpr lecicester good ding dong leicester/yokubu causing a threat my question, can someone remind me of the modern day chat room, as irc has been completely abandoned this season cheers ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Max
so 100 chances (according to Eddie) so far..come on leeds, a 9-0 will give us the filip we need. Which B is to blame today? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
