Re: [LU] Rose tinted scores?
Bellusci is bloody awful - he's in the Roque Jnr group for me. Unbelievably he appears to believe he's quite good, but he's constantly out of position, always moaning, and often plays terrible balls out of defence. We should ship him back to Italy quick! Sent from my iPad > On 30 Oct 2015, at 10:49, David W wrote: > > Couldn't disagree more with your comparison of Bellusci with Kamara and > Andy Hughes. Those were 2 limited players who gave their all for the team > and the shirt (side before self) and were loved / respected by the fans for > that commitment. Bellusci comes across as a nasty piece of work who is in > it for himself and seems to expect adoration as a right, and that's without > commenting on his awful defensive performances. > > Personally would like to see Phillips get another chance - he has energy > and life. And give Mulhern a run out from the U-21s. We need something > fresh and different. > > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Mark Pilling > wrote: > >> We were rubbish. I hear you all saying we're going down. Evans saying we >> need 5 new players. And based on the few games i've seen, I wondered how >> awful we are... >> >> >> Not since Nigel (and Paul) have we had a keeper that didn't have some flaw. >> I wouldn't say Silvestri is any worse than other guardians, nor than anyone >> we're likely to bring in in his place. >> >> Beradi, doing OK by all accounts. >> >> Taylor, decent young player, as with all decent young players, will both be >> overhyped and lose form/make mistakes at times. No problem. >> >> Bamba, has been the best CB and seems to be vociferous on the pitch which >> we need. Was very disappointed though with his ridiculous - and costly - >> overreaction at referee decisions the last two games. I also looked for him >> to intervene earlier last night when Anteucci was getting into a squabble >> and needed to be restrained for the sake of the team, but no-one came over >> to shut him up. Bamba is probably OK. >> >> Cooper. Has seemed to me a decent if a bit quiet a player, last night >> looked like he didn't want to be there, no presence, poor positioning and >> poor passing. We've been through so many CBs and still continue to fail in >> this area, maybe it's not the players but the coaching that's at issue. >> Jury Out. >> >> Bellusci. Successive managers have selected him, which suggests he is >> better than he looks. There's a bit of the Andy Hughes, Chris Kamara about >> him - the attitude can make up for some rash/underskilled play. Too much >> of a liability for us at CB though imo. >> >> Byram. That was shocking last night. I really did rate Byram, but it seems >> we've destroyed whatever he had to offer. If things start going better, I >> reckon we might see him back to some decent form, but that isn't going to >> happen. I'd hate to sell him as he'll turn out to be a revelation at his >> new club. Tant pis. >> >> Cook, Mowatt. See Taylor. These are the players of this year and last year >> respectively. Probably an old head - and/or Rudi style engine beside them >> -and they'll be fine. I like Cook better in the middle. >> >> Murphy. As with Belusci, successive managers rate him, which tells me he's >> got something. I haven't really seen it, but nor have i been appalled at >> his play. Last night was bad, but he certainly can't be singled out. Like >> Cooper, I'm on the fence with him. >> >> Adeyemi. Haven't really seen enough. (4 games) Maybe flatters to deceive, >> runs around ab bit, but I don't notice him making the tackles or the >> passes. Perhaps we need him as things stand, but I wouldn't miss him. >> >> Botaka, Dallas. Fine. Wide men who take on defenders and scare the >> opposition. Whether or not there is the final ball. Keep. >> >> The WBA guy. Waste of time so far. has diminished the team whenever he has >> come on. >> >> Anteucci. I want to keep him. Has some quality, attitude and can score from >> nothing. Not sure why it isn't really working but he's ok. >> >> Wood. I called him a useless donkey on his debut, and now i think that >> might have been harsh on donkeys. Off the pace, can't jump can't turn, >> can't control the ball. Maybe he can shoot, but how often will he be given >> the time and space and ball on a plate he appears to need. Only trouble >> is.who else do we have? >> >> Nothing on the bench that i fancy. >> >> So, I think we have a good enough team. I'd say we lack a goalscorer, a >> midfield general and a reinvigorated back 4 before we could mount a serious >> challenge but we should be able to hold our own in this division. As for >> bringing in 4 or 5 players...does anyone think that any 4 or 5 >> championship level players that are available and willing to join would >> improve us? Just more of the same. we should Centre the team around the >> youngsters. I just think we need more some consistent quality coaching and >> confidence building motivation. . Maybe Paul
Re: [LU] Rose tinted scores?
You have a point and miss a point. The point that you miss is that you are talking about the team. Bit the team is dependent on and part of the club. A club which has been disastrously abused and misused. The culminating crescendo being Cellini. Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com http://www.myRay.org -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com On 30 October 2015 at 11:10, Mark Pilling wrote: > We were rubbish. I hear you all saying we're going down. Evans saying we > need 5 new players. And based on the few games i've seen, I wondered how > awful we are... > > > Not since Nigel (and Paul) have we had a keeper that didn't have some flaw. > I wouldn't say Silvestri is any worse than other guardians, nor than anyone > we're likely to bring in in his place. > > Beradi, doing OK by all accounts. > > Taylor, decent young player, as with all decent young players, will both be > overhyped and lose form/make mistakes at times. No problem. > > Bamba, has been the best CB and seems to be vociferous on the pitch which > we need. Was very disappointed though with his ridiculous - and costly - > overreaction at referee decisions the last two games. I also looked for him > to intervene earlier last night when Anteucci was getting into a squabble > and needed to be restrained for the sake of the team, but no-one came over > to shut him up. Bamba is probably OK. > > Cooper. Has seemed to me a decent if a bit quiet a player, last night > looked like he didn't want to be there, no presence, poor positioning and > poor passing. We've been through so many CBs and still continue to fail in > this area, maybe it's not the players but the coaching that's at issue. > Jury Out. > > Bellusci. Successive managers have selected him, which suggests he is > better than he looks. There's a bit of the Andy Hughes, Chris Kamara about > him - the attitude can make up for some rash/underskilled play. Too much > of a liability for us at CB though imo. > > Byram. That was shocking last night. I really did rate Byram, but it seems > we've destroyed whatever he had to offer. If things start going better, I > reckon we might see him back to some decent form, but that isn't going to > happen. I'd hate to sell him as he'll turn out to be a revelation at his > new club. Tant pis. > > Cook, Mowatt. See Taylor. These are the players of this year and last year > respectively. Probably an old head - and/or Rudi style engine beside them > -and they'll be fine. I like Cook better in the middle. > > Murphy. As with Belusci, successive managers rate him, which tells me he's > got something. I haven't really seen it, but nor have i been appalled at > his play. Last night was bad, but he certainly can't be singled out. Like > Cooper, I'm on the fence with him. > > Adeyemi. Haven't really seen enough. (4 games) Maybe flatters to deceive, > runs around ab bit, but I don't notice him making the tackles or the > passes. Perhaps we need him as things stand, but I wouldn't miss him. > > Botaka, Dallas. Fine. Wide men who take on defenders and scare the > opposition. Whether or not there is the final ball. Keep. > > The WBA guy. Waste of time so far. has diminished the team whenever he has > come on. > > Anteucci. I want to keep him. Has some quality, attitude and can score from > nothing. Not sure why it isn't really working but he's ok. > > Wood. I called him a useless donkey on his debut, and now i think that > might have been harsh on donkeys. Off the pace, can't jump can't turn, > can't control the ball. Maybe he can shoot, but how often will he be given > the time and space and ball on a plate he appears to need. Only trouble > is.who else do we have? > > Nothing on the bench that i fancy. > > So, I think we have a good enough team. I'd say we lack a goalscorer, a > midfield general and a reinvigorated back 4 before we could mount a serious > challenge but we should be able to hold our own in this division. As for > bringing in 4 or 5 players...does anyone think that any 4 or 5 > championship level players that are available and willing to join would > improve us? Just more of the same. we should Centre the team around the > youngsters. I just think we need more some consistent quality coaching and > confidence building motivation. . Maybe Paul Hart for the former and Evans > for the latter might be able to do thatand just give them time. > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > ___ Leeds
Re: [LU] Rose tinted scores?
I think I agree with the general sentiment - I don't think the team we sent out last night are inherently bad - they were just collectively awful last night. Some have been poor all season, some were just bad last night. But it still comes down to management and ownership - while that remains chaotic - its difficult to see things on the pitch improving. I think Berardi, Bamba, Byram, Cook are all good enough for a promotion winning team. But Byram has beern pretty woeful all season, Bamba's not been great and Cook had a stinker last night (trying to do too much / too quickly) I think Mowatt and Taylor could be good players - Taylor has been good this season, Mowatt completely out of form. Silvestri, Cooper - Solid Championship players, Silvestri poor all season, Cooper poor last night. New Boys - Wood and Dallas have been good at this level before - but only showed flashes of it last night. Adeyemi flatters to deceive, not convinced. I like Antenucci but he cant play upfront on his own and we don't seem to have the midfielders for 4-4-2 Bellusci is useless There is no depth - Wood is out of form but we only have Doukara as an option. I didn't like Evans - having a tax dodging nutcase as Owner is bad enough, having one as Manager as well is too much. However, sacking him wont improve things unless Cellino goes as well Matt From: Mark Pilling To: leedslist Sent: Friday, 30 October 2015, 9:10 Subject: [LU] Rose tinted scores? We were rubbish. I hear you all saying we're going down. Evans saying we need 5 new players. And based on the few games i've seen, I wondered how awful we are... Not since Nigel (and Paul) have we had a keeper that didn't have some flaw. I wouldn't say Silvestri is any worse than other guardians, nor than anyone we're likely to bring in in his place. Beradi, doing OK by all accounts. Taylor, decent young player, as with all decent young players, will both be overhyped and lose form/make mistakes at times. No problem. Bamba, has been the best CB and seems to be vociferous on the pitch which we need. Was very disappointed though with his ridiculous - and costly - overreaction at referee decisions the last two games. I also looked for him to intervene earlier last night when Anteucci was getting into a squabble and needed to be restrained for the sake of the team, but no-one came over to shut him up. Bamba is probably OK. Cooper. Has seemed to me a decent if a bit quiet a player, last night looked like he didn't want to be there, no presence, poor positioning and poor passing. We've been through so many CBs and still continue to fail in this area, maybe it's not the players but the coaching that's at issue. Jury Out. Bellusci. Successive managers have selected him, which suggests he is better than he looks. There's a bit of the Andy Hughes, Chris Kamara about him - the attitude can make up for some rash/underskilled play. Too much of a liability for us at CB though imo. Byram. That was shocking last night. I really did rate Byram, but it seems we've destroyed whatever he had to offer. If things start going better, I reckon we might see him back to some decent form, but that isn't going to happen. I'd hate to sell him as he'll turn out to be a revelation at his new club. Tant pis. Cook, Mowatt. See Taylor. These are the players of this year and last year respectively. Probably an old head - and/or Rudi style engine beside them -and they'll be fine. I like Cook better in the middle. Murphy. As with Belusci, successive managers rate him, which tells me he's got something. I haven't really seen it, but nor have i been appalled at his play. Last night was bad, but he certainly can't be singled out. Like Cooper, I'm on the fence with him. Adeyemi. Haven't really seen enough. (4 games) Maybe flatters to deceive, runs around ab bit, but I don't notice him making the tackles or the passes. Perhaps we need him as things stand, but I wouldn't miss him. Botaka, Dallas. Fine. Wide men who take on defenders and scare the opposition. Whether or not there is the final ball. Keep. The WBA guy. Waste of time so far. has diminished the team whenever he has come on. Anteucci. I want to keep him. Has some quality, attitude and can score from nothing. Not sure why it isn't really working but he's ok. Wood. I called him a useless donkey on his debut, and now i think that might have been harsh on donkeys. Off the pace, can't jump can't turn, can't control the ball. Maybe he can shoot, but how often will he be given the time and space and ball on a plate he appears to need. Only trouble is.who else do we have? Nothing on the bench that i fancy. So, I think we have a good enough team. I'd say we lack a goalscorer, a midfield general and a reinvigorated back 4 before we could mount a s
Re: [LU] Rose tinted scores?
Couldn't disagree more with your comparison of Bellusci with Kamara and Andy Hughes. Those were 2 limited players who gave their all for the team and the shirt (side before self) and were loved / respected by the fans for that commitment. Bellusci comes across as a nasty piece of work who is in it for himself and seems to expect adoration as a right, and that's without commenting on his awful defensive performances. Personally would like to see Phillips get another chance - he has energy and life. And give Mulhern a run out from the U-21s. We need something fresh and different. On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Mark Pilling wrote: > We were rubbish. I hear you all saying we're going down. Evans saying we > need 5 new players. And based on the few games i've seen, I wondered how > awful we are... > > > Not since Nigel (and Paul) have we had a keeper that didn't have some flaw. > I wouldn't say Silvestri is any worse than other guardians, nor than anyone > we're likely to bring in in his place. > > Beradi, doing OK by all accounts. > > Taylor, decent young player, as with all decent young players, will both be > overhyped and lose form/make mistakes at times. No problem. > > Bamba, has been the best CB and seems to be vociferous on the pitch which > we need. Was very disappointed though with his ridiculous - and costly - > overreaction at referee decisions the last two games. I also looked for him > to intervene earlier last night when Anteucci was getting into a squabble > and needed to be restrained for the sake of the team, but no-one came over > to shut him up. Bamba is probably OK. > > Cooper. Has seemed to me a decent if a bit quiet a player, last night > looked like he didn't want to be there, no presence, poor positioning and > poor passing. We've been through so many CBs and still continue to fail in > this area, maybe it's not the players but the coaching that's at issue. > Jury Out. > > Bellusci. Successive managers have selected him, which suggests he is > better than he looks. There's a bit of the Andy Hughes, Chris Kamara about > him - the attitude can make up for some rash/underskilled play. Too much > of a liability for us at CB though imo. > > Byram. That was shocking last night. I really did rate Byram, but it seems > we've destroyed whatever he had to offer. If things start going better, I > reckon we might see him back to some decent form, but that isn't going to > happen. I'd hate to sell him as he'll turn out to be a revelation at his > new club. Tant pis. > > Cook, Mowatt. See Taylor. These are the players of this year and last year > respectively. Probably an old head - and/or Rudi style engine beside them > -and they'll be fine. I like Cook better in the middle. > > Murphy. As with Belusci, successive managers rate him, which tells me he's > got something. I haven't really seen it, but nor have i been appalled at > his play. Last night was bad, but he certainly can't be singled out. Like > Cooper, I'm on the fence with him. > > Adeyemi. Haven't really seen enough. (4 games) Maybe flatters to deceive, > runs around ab bit, but I don't notice him making the tackles or the > passes. Perhaps we need him as things stand, but I wouldn't miss him. > > Botaka, Dallas. Fine. Wide men who take on defenders and scare the > opposition. Whether or not there is the final ball. Keep. > > The WBA guy. Waste of time so far. has diminished the team whenever he has > come on. > > Anteucci. I want to keep him. Has some quality, attitude and can score from > nothing. Not sure why it isn't really working but he's ok. > > Wood. I called him a useless donkey on his debut, and now i think that > might have been harsh on donkeys. Off the pace, can't jump can't turn, > can't control the ball. Maybe he can shoot, but how often will he be given > the time and space and ball on a plate he appears to need. Only trouble > is.who else do we have? > > Nothing on the bench that i fancy. > > So, I think we have a good enough team. I'd say we lack a goalscorer, a > midfield general and a reinvigorated back 4 before we could mount a serious > challenge but we should be able to hold our own in this division. As for > bringing in 4 or 5 players...does anyone think that any 4 or 5 > championship level players that are available and willing to join would > improve us? Just more of the same. we should Centre the team around the > youngsters. I just think we need more some consistent quality coaching and > confidence building motivation. . Maybe Paul Hart for the former and Evans > for the latter might be able to do thatand just give them time. > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.g
[LU] Rose tinted scores?
We were rubbish. I hear you all saying we're going down. Evans saying we need 5 new players. And based on the few games i've seen, I wondered how awful we are... Not since Nigel (and Paul) have we had a keeper that didn't have some flaw. I wouldn't say Silvestri is any worse than other guardians, nor than anyone we're likely to bring in in his place. Beradi, doing OK by all accounts. Taylor, decent young player, as with all decent young players, will both be overhyped and lose form/make mistakes at times. No problem. Bamba, has been the best CB and seems to be vociferous on the pitch which we need. Was very disappointed though with his ridiculous - and costly - overreaction at referee decisions the last two games. I also looked for him to intervene earlier last night when Anteucci was getting into a squabble and needed to be restrained for the sake of the team, but no-one came over to shut him up. Bamba is probably OK. Cooper. Has seemed to me a decent if a bit quiet a player, last night looked like he didn't want to be there, no presence, poor positioning and poor passing. We've been through so many CBs and still continue to fail in this area, maybe it's not the players but the coaching that's at issue. Jury Out. Bellusci. Successive managers have selected him, which suggests he is better than he looks. There's a bit of the Andy Hughes, Chris Kamara about him - the attitude can make up for some rash/underskilled play. Too much of a liability for us at CB though imo. Byram. That was shocking last night. I really did rate Byram, but it seems we've destroyed whatever he had to offer. If things start going better, I reckon we might see him back to some decent form, but that isn't going to happen. I'd hate to sell him as he'll turn out to be a revelation at his new club. Tant pis. Cook, Mowatt. See Taylor. These are the players of this year and last year respectively. Probably an old head - and/or Rudi style engine beside them -and they'll be fine. I like Cook better in the middle. Murphy. As with Belusci, successive managers rate him, which tells me he's got something. I haven't really seen it, but nor have i been appalled at his play. Last night was bad, but he certainly can't be singled out. Like Cooper, I'm on the fence with him. Adeyemi. Haven't really seen enough. (4 games) Maybe flatters to deceive, runs around ab bit, but I don't notice him making the tackles or the passes. Perhaps we need him as things stand, but I wouldn't miss him. Botaka, Dallas. Fine. Wide men who take on defenders and scare the opposition. Whether or not there is the final ball. Keep. The WBA guy. Waste of time so far. has diminished the team whenever he has come on. Anteucci. I want to keep him. Has some quality, attitude and can score from nothing. Not sure why it isn't really working but he's ok. Wood. I called him a useless donkey on his debut, and now i think that might have been harsh on donkeys. Off the pace, can't jump can't turn, can't control the ball. Maybe he can shoot, but how often will he be given the time and space and ball on a plate he appears to need. Only trouble is.who else do we have? Nothing on the bench that i fancy. So, I think we have a good enough team. I'd say we lack a goalscorer, a midfield general and a reinvigorated back 4 before we could mount a serious challenge but we should be able to hold our own in this division. As for bringing in 4 or 5 players...does anyone think that any 4 or 5 championship level players that are available and willing to join would improve us? Just more of the same. we should Centre the team around the youngsters. I just think we need more some consistent quality coaching and confidence building motivation. . Maybe Paul Hart for the former and Evans for the latter might be able to do thatand just give them time. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
