Re: [LU] What do you expect from the new season ? long and rambling ( had lots of morphine this week)

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

Personally I really like the look of Shaughnessy. Looked really composed and 
comfortable. Pennington too. I wouldn't panic if we didn't get another CB.

On Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 8:55:07 AM EDT, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) 
 wrote:

In answer to  Dave,
I'd like to think that Leeds will sign another C back and a left-back before 
the start of the season.
I'm not sure Pennington will have the experience to be a starter, I'm hoping he 
was signed as the 3rd /4th C Back.
IMO, not signing an extra C Back and another striker in the January window was 
the main reason we slipped away at the end of last season.  Hopefully Ekaban 
fills the backup striker slot.

Also, we really need a replacement for Charlie Taylor.  At times last season we 
had no left-footed players  on the pitch at all, and it cost us in terms of 
getting round the back on that side, and had nobody to take free-kicks from the 
right-central positions. Hopefully Alioski will fill the latter role this 
season, but he does prefer to play on the right.  So if we are going to persist 
with right-footed players on the left-hand side (Roofe, Dallas, Sacko, 
Doukara), then the left-back needs to be left footed.

I think the squad is probably sorted as far as the front 6 is concerned, unless 
there are any last-minute departures such as Wood or Hernandez.
Hopefully Roofe, Vieira, Hernandez, Sacko can chip in with a few more goals 
from the same amount of playing-time this season.  Ekaban needs to get a few 
and Doukara, Dallas, Antonnson if they get any significant game time.

Like you, I'm not expecting many goals from Bridcut, Phillips, Anita or O'Kane 
and I've no idea what Klich can do.

The centre-backs got some important goals last year too.  That will need to 
happen again.  Ayling looks like he might score the odd one, but I can't see 
Berardi bothering the scorer much, and Cooper is more likely to figure on the 
debit column in terms of goals and assists.

Overall I think the signings this summer will improve the squad, but I'm not 
sure they make up for losing Bartley, Taylor or Garry Monk!

Cheers
KOT.



Kevin Lewis
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Re: [LU] What do you expect from the new season ? long and rambling ( had lots of morphine this week)

[Kevin Lewis (UK SBS)]

In answer to  Dave,
I'd like to think that Leeds will sign another C back and a left-back before 
the start of the season.
I'm not sure Pennington will have the experience to be a starter, I'm hoping he 
was signed as the 3rd /4th C Back.
IMO, not signing an extra C Back and another striker in the January window was 
the main reason we slipped away at the end of last season.  Hopefully Ekaban 
fills the backup striker slot.

Also, we really need a replacement for Charlie Taylor.  At times last season we 
had no left-footed players  on the pitch at all, and it cost us in terms of 
getting round the back on that side, and had nobody to take free-kicks from the 
right-central positions. Hopefully Alioski will fill the latter role this 
season, but he does prefer to play on the right.  So if we are going to persist 
with right-footed players on the left-hand side (Roofe, Dallas, Sacko, 
Doukara), then the left-back needs to be left footed.

I think the squad is probably sorted as far as the front 6 is concerned, unless 
there are any last-minute departures such as Wood or Hernandez.
Hopefully Roofe, Vieira, Hernandez, Sacko can chip in with a few more goals 
from the same amount of playing-time this season.  Ekaban needs to get a few 
and Doukara, Dallas, Antonnson if they get any significant game time.

Like you, I'm not expecting many goals from Bridcut, Phillips, Anita or O'Kane 
and I've no idea what Klich can do.

The centre-backs got some important goals last year too.  That will need to 
happen again.  Ayling looks like he might score the odd one, but I can't see 
Berardi bothering the scorer much, and Cooper is more likely to figure on the 
debit column in terms of goals and assists.

Overall I think the signings this summer will improve the squad, but I'm not 
sure they make up for losing Bartley, Taylor or Garry Monk!

Cheers
KOT.



Kevin Lewis
Oracle System Administrator
UK SBS

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Re: [LU] What do you expect from the new season ? long and rambling ( had lots of morphine this week)

[Rob Heath]

I don't think Chris Wood will be a Leeds United player on Sep 1st.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 11:33 AM, nat...@sky.com  wrote:

> I always like to be optimistic - last season there were lots of unknowns,
> the manager (who let's not forget came very close to an early sacking) and
> a whole team of new players - Green Ayling Barltey, Grimes, O'Kane,
> Jansson, Roofe, Hernandez, were all players I knew next to nothing about,
> so any optimism was 'blind optimsim'
> This year we know that Wood and Jansson are as good as anybody in this
> division and that the rest of the squad is good enough on their day to win
> most games. Big question is TC - can he cut it at this level, and can we
> replace Bartley with someone who will keep the defence just as solid - is
> Pennington that man ? We know Cooper is good for 89 minutes but will then
> cost a goal week in, week out.
>
> It is unclear how much game time the other new players will get but
> hopefully any that do play will make us better - Anita has a good pedigree
> and Alioski looes special
> So I am fairly confident that we will be better than last season and
> therefore , logically, we will make the play offs. I cannot really see us
> getting automatic unless Saiz and Klitch really come to the party and / or
> Roofe shows his talent every game and Vieira the same
> So I reckon we will end up 5th or 6th - or we will sack the manager at
> Christmas and end up 10th -12th
> DavePS I am never 'morphine free' it all depends on how much extra
> oramorph I take as to how 'with it ' I am
>
>   From: Richard Naef 
>  To: Leeds List 
>  Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2017, 21:58
>  Subject: Re: [LU] What do you expect from the new season ? long and
> rambling ( had lots of morphine this week)
>
> So big question Dave, are you more or less optimistic than last year?  -
> you can give 2 answers, 1 b4 the morphine & 1 after 
>
> ttfn
>
> Richard
>
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Re: [LU] What do you expect from the new season ? long and rambling ( had lots of morphine this week)

[nat...@sky.com]

I always like to be optimistic - last season there were lots of unknowns, the 
manager (who let's not forget came very close to an early sacking) and a whole 
team of new players - Green Ayling Barltey, Grimes, O'Kane, Jansson, Roofe, 
Hernandez, were all players I knew next to nothing about, so any optimism was 
'blind optimsim'
This year we know that Wood and Jansson are as good as anybody in this division 
and that the rest of the squad is good enough on their day to win most games. 
Big question is TC - can he cut it at this level, and can we replace Bartley 
with someone who will keep the defence just as solid - is Pennington that man ? 
We know Cooper is good for 89 minutes but will then cost a goal week in, week 
out.

It is unclear how much game time the other new players will get but hopefully 
any that do play will make us better - Anita has a good pedigree and Alioski 
looes special
So I am fairly confident that we will be better than last season and therefore 
, logically, we will make the play offs. I cannot really see us getting 
automatic unless Saiz and Klitch really come to the party and / or Roofe shows 
his talent every game and Vieira the same
So I reckon we will end up 5th or 6th - or we will sack the manager at 
Christmas and end up 10th -12th
DavePS I am never 'morphine free' it all depends on how much extra oramorph I 
take as to how 'with it ' I am

  From: Richard Naef 
 To: Leeds List  
 Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2017, 21:58
 Subject: Re: [LU] What do you expect from the new season ? long and rambling ( 
had lots of morphine this week)
   
So big question Dave, are you more or less optimistic than last year?  - you 
can give 2 answers, 1 b4 the morphine & 1 after  

ttfn

Richard


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Re: [LU] What do you expect from the new season ? long and rambling ( had lots of morphine this week)

[Richard Naef]

So big question Dave, are you more or less optimistic than last year?  - you 
can give 2 answers, 1 b4 the morphine & 1 after  

ttfn

Richard


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Re: [LU] What do you expect from the new season ? long and rambling ( had lots of morphine this week)

[Michael ALCOCK]

I am cautiously optimistic, my big worry is fan impatience if we have a slow 
start. I think the foundations are in place for long term stability at last, 
and we seem to be heading in the right direction.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Jul 2017, at 17:13, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
> Generally agree with your caution here Dave, but I think Anita is a great buy 
> and is going to be a hero for us, on balance the other incomers all look of a 
> higher level than players we've bought in in previous seasons.  TC is quite 
> possibly a Wagner type, well versed in European Football, with a plan he 
> wants the players to adapt to, a BUT as you say he and most of the new 
> players have no idea of what the Championship is like and so I'd agree that 
> at first at least the team we put out won't be that different to last 
> seasons.  The league cup match V Port Vale, should be interesting as I'd 
> expect the team to be full of newbies. 
> 
> One thing is I really hope Vieira gets lots of chances as I think he is a 
> great prospect and can probably usurp Bridcutt in midfield. 
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
> nat...@sky.com
> Sent: 25 July 2017 13:09
> To: Leeds List 
> Subject: [LU] What do you expect from the new season ? long and rambling ( 
> had lots of morphine this week)
> 
> I think the Division has got stronger if anything, yes Newcastle have gone 
> but they have been replaced by Sunderland, Boro and Hull, teams and clubs 
> that are better than Brighton and Huddersfield. Bolton and Sheff U are better 
>  and bigger than the clubs they replaced. Add to that the money Wolves have 
> spent and that Villa will be more of a threat, Birmingham have brought in 
> real experience (so could go either way) and teams like Derby Fulham etc will 
> be decent.
> We need to move at least one place higher than last time to make the season 
> anything like a success - the play off must be our minimum aim and yardstick 
> for success. So can we be that little bit better than last time ?
> 
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Re: [LU] What do you expect from the new season ? long and rambling ( had lots of morphine this week)

[Richard Naef]

Generally agree with your caution here Dave, but I think Anita is a great buy 
and is going to be a hero for us, on balance the other incomers all look of a 
higher level than players we've bought in in previous seasons.  TC is quite 
possibly a Wagner type, well versed in European Football, with a plan he wants 
the players to adapt to, a BUT as you say he and most of the new players have 
no idea of what the Championship is like and so I'd agree that at first at 
least the team we put out won't be that different to last seasons.  The league 
cup match V Port Vale, should be interesting as I'd expect the team to be full 
of newbies. 

One thing is I really hope Vieira gets lots of chances as I think he is a great 
prospect and can probably usurp Bridcutt in midfield. 

ttfn

Richard

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nat...@sky.com
Sent: 25 July 2017 13:09
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] What do you expect from the new season ? long and rambling ( had 
lots of morphine this week)

I think the Division has got stronger if anything, yes Newcastle have gone but 
they have been replaced by Sunderland, Boro and Hull, teams and clubs that are 
better than Brighton and Huddersfield. Bolton and Sheff U are better  and 
bigger than the clubs they replaced. Add to that the money Wolves have spent 
and that Villa will be more of a threat, Birmingham have brought in real 
experience (so could go either way) and teams like Derby Fulham etc will be 
decent.
We need to move at least one place higher than last time to make the season 
anything like a success - the play off must be our minimum aim and yardstick 
for success. So can we be that little bit better than last time ?

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[LU] What do you expect from the new season ? long and rambling ( had lots of morphine this week)

[nat...@sky.com]

I think the Division has got stronger if anything, yes Newcastle have gone but 
they have been replaced by Sunderland, Boro and Hull, teams and clubs that are 
better than Brighton and Huddersfield. Bolton and Sheff U are better  and 
bigger than the clubs they replaced. Add to that the money Wolves have spent 
and that Villa will be more of a threat, Birmingham have brought in real 
experience (so could go either way) and teams like Derby Fulham etc will be 
decent.
We need to move at least one place higher than last time to make the season 
anything like a success - the play off must be our minimum aim and yardstick 
for success. So can we be that little bit better than last time ?
The big difference and the big unknown is the manager / coach. Whilst Monk made 
mistakes many thought he overacheived with the squad he had and he did look a 
manager, perhaps the first we have had since Warnock or McDermott who we 
believed could get promoted. He had a plan and when it worked, as it most often 
did, we won games. He did seem unable on occasion to re-act to what was going 
on on the pitch and did not seem to have a plan B. Our main 4 2 3 1 line-up was 
essentially built on the defence defending like madmen and hoping / trusting 
that Wood would get at least one chance that he would score from . Newcastle 
away was the perfect example of this - we got hammered in terms of possession, 
territory and chances but committed (desperate) defending kept them at bay for 
the most part and then, one chance, one goal - Wood.We did rely very heavily, 
almost exclusively on Wood for our goals, but it was almost enough.
We have no real idea as to what TC will be like, I know he impressed at 
interview and seems to have some ideas and be willing to change things for 
different situations but despite some success at a lower level he is a total 
unknown - can he be better than Monk, I hope so but doubt it.
So is the team / squad better than last time ?To be fair we have only lost two 
real first teamers, Taylor who only played a bit part due to injury last time 
and was replaced by Berardi - we lost something going forward with this change 
but were perhaps slightly better defensively ? It was not without cause that 
Berardi is mentioned in the 'back four' song.The other miss (to date at any 
rate) is Bartley - for many our player of the season , and certainly alongside 
Jansson and Wood one of the best three. He was a good organiser and was, to me, 
the de facto captain on many occasions and gelled well with Jansson. It is a 
big risk to replace Bartley with an untried and untested youngster in 
Pennington. Pennington appears to be quite skilled and perhaps a better 
footballer than Bartley but I worry that he won't have the same presence and 
'hardness' that Bartley had and we will most likely be less solid at the back.
Wood will still be the main man in terms of our attack although it is too early 
to say whether he will be on his own up top or will, at least on occasion, have 
someone alongside him. I am confident that Wood can score 20plus goals again 
but needing him to get 30 is a massive ask and probably beyond him. We are also 
in a bit of a catch 22 with him - we need him to score lots of goals but if he 
does do as well as last year then the chances of a struggling Prem team 
stealing him off us in January (or even August) will increase and leave us well 
and truly in it.
Green had a good season after a bad start and will no doubt be decent enough 
next season if he starts, if he doesn't then I expect Weirwald to be just as 
good.
So with the back 4, keeper and Wood sorted, we need to pick the next 5 players 
- possibly as a 2 3 formation or 4 and one joining Wood.
To me we had two problems in midfield last season - 1, the lack of goals, 2 
consistencyAs regards lack of goals can Roofe, Hernandez, Doukara , Sacko, 
Dallas and Vieira find their scoring boots ? If not can Alioski and Saiz get 
into double figures along with Klitch ? (Bridcutt, Anita, O'Kane and Phillips 
are all pretty much non scoring midfielders. Can Ekuban cut it at this level 
and chip in with goals from the bench ?2. Consistency- our main problem last 
season was who to pick in midfield - the defensive 2 for example, started as 
Bridcutt and O'Kane but could just as easily have been Phillips and Vieira (and 
sometimes these two were our most effective) - O'Kane become one of those 
players who fans rated higher the more he didn't play. Bridcutt, one day looked 
great and then the next was sat much too far back and his passing was poor. 
Vieira looked a world beater one day and a kid out of his depth the next (both 
are probably true) Phillips had good games but on others had fans wondering how 
he was making a living at it. Anita may well be added to this mix and Klitch 
too, so somehow TC needs to find the best pairing and ensure they are good week 
in week out.Further forward we had the same problem with Dallas, Roofe, 
Hernandez, Doukara and