Re: Discussion on gk---candlesticks---2009

2010-03-24 Thread gk777
First I marked the center of each end of candle stick, now you need to
pick the wide side of candle so that you get the best grain pattern
you want. On the tailstock end I moved the offset mark 5mm towards
this side and away from this side and mark it. On the other end I
marked a 2.5mm offset from the center making sure to get both marks on
the same plane. I then round stock with  normal Legacy method. I now
add a side template I have made to the pattern holder. Using any
straight bit I mill from the back side of the legacy. When this is
down to pattern I remount both ends to one side using the 2.5 and 5 mm
marks in the same direction, then repeat milling. Remount again on the
other side and repeat milling, Then sand, sand and sand. Hope that
helps. Have a Great day Greg.

On Mar 23, 5:02 pm, Tim artmarb...@comcast.net wrote:
 Is the offset candle 3 sided?  I've been meaning to get around to
 offset turning on the legacy.  Safer than a standard lathe. What bit
 did you use to get this done?

 This is an appropriate time to mention that we can add comments to the
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Re: Discussion on gk---candlesticks---2009

2010-03-24 Thread gk777
I thought I posted a different offset candlestick than the one shown.
For the one shown you also need to shift the pattern 5mm up the Y axis
when you do the first offset and then 5mm down the y axis for the
second offset from the original zero point. I will post another
picture for the one above so  you can see how it looks.

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fancy dovetail joints

2010-03-24 Thread MACSWAG
Hello chaps,how do you make those fancy contrasting woods
dovetails,you can see them on the expensive Incra, tool rigs as
examples,Aaron I think you wrote something on this a while back,what
I'm trying to ask is how they make the dovetail lining within a
dovetail,a pretty neat trick that looks,anybody know how it's done,
Bill I'm still trying to make an example of your twists within a
twist,within a twist,but not doing too well,can you give a work
procedure step by step ,if you've got time to spare,to anyone
interested,I have made some really good Ribbon twists using both a
long straight 1/2 CUTTER,and a 2 core box cutter,recommended in a
tip from Roger,my supplier,one of our little group,a Downs syndrome
lad can make them,he takes his time and is very patient,I can always
tell if he's getting agitated and I sort it,if he makes a mistake what
the hell it's only wood,I wish we could get Curly Maple as reasonably
priced as our Canadian cousins,it cost the dickens over here,that's
all for now,  MAC.

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RE: fancy dovetail joints

2010-03-24 Thread Gary Moshofsky
You make a normal dovetail with the fancy wood and your regular side piece.
Then cut off the fancy board, leaving the glued together dovetail part, cut
a new set of smaller tails in the middle of the fancy wood ones, and pins on
your other board. Assemble. You end up with a liner on your dovetails. 

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Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:30 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Subject: fancy dovetail joints

Hello chaps,how do you make those fancy contrasting woods dovetails,you can
see them on the expensive Incra, tool rigs as examples,Aaron I think you
wrote something on this a while back,what I'm trying to ask is how they make
the dovetail lining within a dovetail,a pretty neat trick that looks,anybody
know how it's done, Bill I'm still trying to make an example of your twists
within a twist,within a twist,but not doing too well,can you give a work
procedure step by step ,if you've got time to spare,to anyone interested,I
have made some really good Ribbon twists using both a long straight 1/2
CUTTER,and a 2 core box cutter,recommended in a tip from Roger,my
supplier,one of our little group,a Downs syndrome lad can make them,he takes
his time and is very patient,I can always tell if he's getting agitated and
I sort it,if he makes a mistake what the hell it's only wood,I wish we could
get Curly Maple as reasonably priced as our Canadian cousins,it cost the
dickens over here,that's all for now,  MAC.

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Re: fancy dovetail joints

2010-03-24 Thread curt george

Hello Mac
Those fancy dovetails joints are pretty neat. Basically you are making two 
sets of dovetails, one on top of the other.
You cut your dovetails, mate it up to the contrasting wood, glue the two 
together. After the glue has dried,you cut the board flat again. Then you 
will make your second sets of cuts, this time (spacing is the key) you will 
mate up to the same wood as your base wood is. This will give you the effect 
of making a contrasting joint. maple and walnut, ebony and holily...
The trick is to have an reliable and accurate system, Joint tech. Incra. are 
the two big guys on the this market, but other new comers are getting into 
the game too.
Rockler wood working has a nice cheep Incra set. 
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=11494filter=incra this is a nice 
set. I own one . Its simple and cheap. the templates make this system very 
easy to use.
(Big question, Do I use mine often, and the answer is NO, but I do use it, 
when I need to. it was worth the price I paid.)( On sale!) ;-)


NOW! Lets see some of those Ribbon twist stuff of your!
I need to run.
have a good night.
C.A.G.





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From: MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net

To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:30 PM
Subject: fancy dovetail joints



Hello chaps,how do you make those fancy contrasting woods
dovetails,you can see them on the expensive Incra, tool rigs as
examples,Aaron I think you wrote something on this a while back,what
I'm trying to ask is how they make the dovetail lining within a
dovetail,a pretty neat trick that looks,anybody know how it's done,
Bill I'm still trying to make an example of your twists within a
twist,within a twist,but not doing too well,can you give a work
procedure step by step ,if you've got time to spare,to anyone
interested,I have made some really good Ribbon twists using both a
long straight 1/2 CUTTER,and a 2 core box cutter,recommended in a
tip from Roger,my supplier,one of our little group,a Downs syndrome
lad can make them,he takes his time and is very patient,I can always
tell if he's getting agitated and I sort it,if he makes a mistake what
the hell it's only wood,I wish we could get Curly Maple as reasonably
priced as our Canadian cousins,it cost the dickens over here,that's
all for now,  MAC.

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Re: fancy dovetail joints

2010-03-24 Thread curt george

Hay Mac.
http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/smarthtml/pages/fast_joint_system.html 
is one of those new companies that have gotten in the dovetail game. These 
are not the ones that I explained. but none the less, they are neat.

C.A.G.
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From: MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net

To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:30 PM
Subject: fancy dovetail joints



Hello chaps,how do you make those fancy contrasting woods
dovetails,you can see them on the expensive Incra, tool rigs as
examples,Aaron I think you wrote something on this a while back,what
I'm trying to ask is how they make the dovetail lining within a
dovetail,a pretty neat trick that looks,anybody know how it's done,
Bill I'm still trying to make an example of your twists within a
twist,within a twist,but not doing too well,can you give a work
procedure step by step ,if you've got time to spare,to anyone
interested,I have made some really good Ribbon twists using both a
long straight 1/2 CUTTER,and a 2 core box cutter,recommended in a
tip from Roger,my supplier,one of our little group,a Downs syndrome
lad can make them,he takes his time and is very patient,I can always
tell if he's getting agitated and I sort it,if he makes a mistake what
the hell it's only wood,I wish we could get Curly Maple as reasonably
priced as our Canadian cousins,it cost the dickens over here,that's
all for now,  MAC.

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Re: fancy dovetail joints

2010-03-24 Thread curt george

One more side note.
how about using something like that on a birds mouth or any angled joint, so 
that you can make a dovetail jointed spindle? Sorta like a finger joint on 
some newer stile furnitures USE?

C.A.G.
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From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com

To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: fancy dovetail joints



Hay Mac.
http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/smarthtml/pages/fast_joint_system.html 
is one of those new companies that have gotten in the dovetail game. These 
are not the ones that I explained. but none the less, they are neat.

C.A.G.
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From: MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net

To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:30 PM
Subject: fancy dovetail joints



Hello chaps,how do you make those fancy contrasting woods
dovetails,you can see them on the expensive Incra, tool rigs as
examples,Aaron I think you wrote something on this a while back,what
I'm trying to ask is how they make the dovetail lining within a
dovetail,a pretty neat trick that looks,anybody know how it's done,
Bill I'm still trying to make an example of your twists within a
twist,within a twist,but not doing too well,can you give a work
procedure step by step ,if you've got time to spare,to anyone
interested,I have made some really good Ribbon twists using both a
long straight 1/2 CUTTER,and a 2 core box cutter,recommended in a
tip from Roger,my supplier,one of our little group,a Downs syndrome
lad can make them,he takes his time and is very patient,I can always
tell if he's getting agitated and I sort it,if he makes a mistake what
the hell it's only wood,I wish we could get Curly Maple as reasonably
priced as our Canadian cousins,it cost the dickens over here,that's
all for now,  MAC.

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Re: fancy dovetail joints

2010-03-24 Thread Bill Bulkeley
I have never really wanted the incra dove tail jig I do any dovetails on the 
legacy imcluding the contrasting wood
as explained its just a matter of doing it twice once with the differant 
color wood then once dry again a little smaller with the joining piece

Bill

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From: Euro-Legacy r...@woodworkersworkshop.co.uk

To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: fancy dovetail joints


Hi Mac
Go look on the INCRA website and you will find out how simple it is to
make, alternatively ring me in the morning and purchase an INCRA LS 17
WFNCSYS Jig, available now in metric or Imperial measurement system.
Alternatively give it a little thought, two different coloured timbers
glued and joined using dovetail joint, then when set cut the width of
the coloured detail line required and remake the dovetails. It is
actually simple, just like live when you know how and with a INCRA Jig
anyone can make them if I can, even Bill down in oz who could call my
mate Grahame at Professional Woodworkers Supplies and by an INCRA
locally!
Best regards
Roger

On Mar 24, 11:30 pm, MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net wrote:

Hello chaps,how do you make those fancy contrasting woods
dovetails,you can see them on the expensive Incra, tool rigs as
examples,Aaron I think you wrote something on this a while back,what
I'm trying to ask is how they make the dovetail lining within a
dovetail,a pretty neat trick that looks,anybody know how it's done,
Bill I'm still trying to make an example of your twists within a
twist,within a twist,but not doing too well,can you give a work
procedure step by step ,if you've got time to spare,to anyone
interested,I have made some really good Ribbon twists using both a
long straight 1/2 CUTTER,and a 2 core box cutter,recommended in a
tip from Roger,my supplier,one of our little group,a Downs syndrome
lad can make them,he takes his time and is very patient,I can always
tell if he's getting agitated and I sort it,if he makes a mistake what
the hell it's only wood,I wish we could get Curly Maple as reasonably
priced as our Canadian cousins,it cost the dickens over here,that's
all for now, MAC.


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Re: fancy dovetail joints

2010-03-24 Thread Tim Krause
Wow Bill,

That's a real sign of a craftsman if you can over come the crude measuring
of the legacy and all of the slop.  I never thought it was really practical
in the machines basic form.  I've heard other talk about using generic
template and mounting them to the template follower, but I don't know if
it's a common or practical practice on the legacy.

After watching a few videos on youtube about the Incra LS, I really like the
idea of using 32 tooth per inch rack and a lock to gain incremental accurate
movements.  I can see one mounted on the y-axis.  Maybe even a short one on
the template follower.  Every day there is something new to learn. This idea
could solve my mini moves problem.  I guess I need to go look for some rack
now.  I'd be happy with 16 or even 8.

-Tim


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From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: fancy dovetail joints


 I have never really wanted the incra dove tail jig I do any dovetails on
the
 legacy imcluding the contrasting wood
 as explained its just a matter of doing it twice once with the differant
 color wood then once dry again a little smaller with the joining piece
 Bill

 - Original Message - 
 From: Euro-Legacy r...@woodworkersworkshop.co.uk
 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:52 AM
 Subject: Re: fancy dovetail joints


 Hi Mac
 Go look on the INCRA website and you will find out how simple it is to
 make, alternatively ring me in the morning and purchase an INCRA LS 17
 WFNCSYS Jig, available now in metric or Imperial measurement system.
 Alternatively give it a little thought, two different coloured timbers
 glued and joined using dovetail joint, then when set cut the width of
 the coloured detail line required and remake the dovetails. It is
 actually simple, just like live when you know how and with a INCRA Jig
 anyone can make them if I can, even Bill down in oz who could call my
 mate Grahame at Professional Woodworkers Supplies and by an INCRA
 locally!
 Best regards
 Roger

 On Mar 24, 11:30 pm, MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net wrote:
  Hello chaps,how do you make those fancy contrasting woods
  dovetails,you can see them on the expensive Incra, tool rigs as
  examples,Aaron I think you wrote something on this a while back,what
  I'm trying to ask is how they make the dovetail lining within a
  dovetail,a pretty neat trick that looks,anybody know how it's done,
  Bill I'm still trying to make an example of your twists within a
  twist,within a twist,but not doing too well,can you give a work
  procedure step by step ,if you've got time to spare,to anyone
  interested,I have made some really good Ribbon twists using both a
  long straight 1/2 CUTTER,and a 2 core box cutter,recommended in a
  tip from Roger,my supplier,one of our little group,a Downs syndrome
  lad can make them,he takes his time and is very patient,I can always
  tell if he's getting agitated and I sort it,if he makes a mistake what
  the hell it's only wood,I wish we could get Curly Maple as reasonably
  priced as our Canadian cousins,it cost the dickens over here,that's
  all for now, MAC.

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Re: fancy dovetail joints

2010-03-24 Thread Bill Bulkeley
Its not too hard run a cor box bit up 2 halfs then glue them together to 
make a square with a hole up the middle, I used a 3inch corbox for the first 
spiral( i had one made for another job I was doing for a customer so the bit 
was free)
and a 11/2 corbox for the second, after its dry I machined up cores for both 
out of mdf a nice sliding fit not loose, then caps for each end to attach 
the index hubs.  I used a wood screw to stop the caps from slipping while 
machining.
I removed the corners and as much of the bulk on the saw bench to get as 
close to the 6inch dia of the first spiral as the revo without mods will 
only do 6inch dia.
then turn your spirals which ever you want.one LH one RH then the middle LH 
I think I used  a 4 start with 2 spirals removed I would have to look back 
on my notes to tell you for sure.
only after it is finished remove the core or it will surly fly to bits 
during machining.
the smallest spiral was a 3 start rope I think it was done with a couple of 
steady rests to keep it from moving the steady was just some mdf clamped to 
the rails with a square cut in it for the wood to run in, rough but worked 
ok. the only other tip is to make sure the blanks fit inside each other 
before you make the spirals hard to remove that little bit later if it is to 
tight.
then after you finish slip them together and make caps for the ends I glued 
nothing together as I wanted to be able to disassemble them for staining or 
painting at a future time. I just used screws in the ends to hold it all 
together hope this helps im not good at explaining this stuff some of the 
other guys might know of a better or easier way but that is basically how I 
did it, I must have a go at 4 inside each other for fun one day

Bill

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From: MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net

To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:30 AM
Subject: fancy dovetail joints



Hello chaps,how do you make those fancy contrasting woods
dovetails,you can see them on the expensive Incra, tool rigs as
examples,Aaron I think you wrote something on this a while back,what
I'm trying to ask is how they make the dovetail lining within a
dovetail,a pretty neat trick that looks,anybody know how it's done,
Bill I'm still trying to make an example of your twists within a
twist,within a twist,but not doing too well,can you give a work
procedure step by step ,if you've got time to spare,to anyone
interested,I have made some really good Ribbon twists using both a
long straight 1/2 CUTTER,and a 2 core box cutter,recommended in a
tip from Roger,my supplier,one of our little group,a Downs syndrome
lad can make them,he takes his time and is very patient,I can always
tell if he's getting agitated and I sort it,if he makes a mistake what
the hell it's only wood,I wish we could get Curly Maple as reasonably
priced as our Canadian cousins,it cost the dickens over here,that's
all for now,  MAC.

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Re: fancy dovetail joints

2010-03-24 Thread Bill Bulkeley
I did cheat a bit I used a dial indicator to get the exact spacing correct 
and the revos saddle is  much sturdier than the 900.and I only did 2 
dovetail jobs. I have never really messed with dovetails much perhaps I was 
just lucky it worked ok it was not much different than doing it out of steel 
on a worn out milling machine like I had to use some times in my metal 
machining days.;

Bill
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Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: fancy dovetail joints



Wow Bill,

That's a real sign of a craftsman if you can over come the crude measuring
of the legacy and all of the slop.  I never thought it was really 
practical

in the machines basic form.  I've heard other talk about using generic
template and mounting them to the template follower, but I don't know if
it's a common or practical practice on the legacy.

After watching a few videos on youtube about the Incra LS, I really like 
the
idea of using 32 tooth per inch rack and a lock to gain incremental 
accurate
movements.  I can see one mounted on the y-axis.  Maybe even a short one 
on
the template follower.  Every day there is something new to learn. This 
idea
could solve my mini moves problem.  I guess I need to go look for some 
rack

now.  I'd be happy with 16 or even 8.

-Tim


- Original Message - 
From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au

To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: fancy dovetail joints



I have never really wanted the incra dove tail jig I do any dovetails on

the

legacy imcluding the contrasting wood
as explained its just a matter of doing it twice once with the differant
color wood then once dry again a little smaller with the joining piece
Bill

- Original Message - 
From: Euro-Legacy r...@woodworkersworkshop.co.uk

To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: fancy dovetail joints


Hi Mac
Go look on the INCRA website and you will find out how simple it is to
make, alternatively ring me in the morning and purchase an INCRA LS 17
WFNCSYS Jig, available now in metric or Imperial measurement system.
Alternatively give it a little thought, two different coloured timbers
glued and joined using dovetail joint, then when set cut the width of
the coloured detail line required and remake the dovetails. It is
actually simple, just like live when you know how and with a INCRA Jig
anyone can make them if I can, even Bill down in oz who could call my
mate Grahame at Professional Woodworkers Supplies and by an INCRA
locally!
Best regards
Roger

On Mar 24, 11:30 pm, MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net wrote:
 Hello chaps,how do you make those fancy contrasting woods
 dovetails,you can see them on the expensive Incra, tool rigs as
 examples,Aaron I think you wrote something on this a while back,what
 I'm trying to ask is how they make the dovetail lining within a
 dovetail,a pretty neat trick that looks,anybody know how it's done,
 Bill I'm still trying to make an example of your twists within a
 twist,within a twist,but not doing too well,can you give a work
 procedure step by step ,if you've got time to spare,to anyone
 interested,I have made some really good Ribbon twists using both a
 long straight 1/2 CUTTER,and a 2 core box cutter,recommended in a
 tip from Roger,my supplier,one of our little group,a Downs syndrome
 lad can make them,he takes his time and is very patient,I can always
 tell if he's getting agitated and I sort it,if he makes a mistake what
 the hell it's only wood,I wish we could get Curly Maple as reasonably
 priced as our Canadian cousins,it cost the dickens over here,that's
 all for now, MAC.

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Re: fancy dovetail joints

2010-03-24 Thread Tim Krause
Hey Bill,

Thank god I'm not the only one that has a dial indicator sitting next to his
legacy.  I admit to using it for getting the diameters right before I
invented the TK Bed Height Tool.  I've only used it a couple of time on the
x and y travel.  I was trying to do some really fine lines like knurling on
flat stock.

Have fun,

-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: fancy dovetail joints


 I did cheat a bit I used a dial indicator to get the exact spacing correct
 and the revos saddle is  much sturdier than the 900.and I only did 2
 dovetail jobs. I have never really messed with dovetails much perhaps I
was
 just lucky it worked ok it was not much different than doing it out of
steel
 on a worn out milling machine like I had to use some times in my metal
 machining days.;
 Bill
 - Original Message - 
 From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net
 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:33 PM
 Subject: Re: fancy dovetail joints


  Wow Bill,
 
  That's a real sign of a craftsman if you can over come the crude
measuring
  of the legacy and all of the slop.  I never thought it was really
  practical
  in the machines basic form.  I've heard other talk about using generic
  template and mounting them to the template follower, but I don't know if
  it's a common or practical practice on the legacy.
 
  After watching a few videos on youtube about the Incra LS, I really like
  the
  idea of using 32 tooth per inch rack and a lock to gain incremental
  accurate
  movements.  I can see one mounted on the y-axis.  Maybe even a short one
  on
  the template follower.  Every day there is something new to learn. This
  idea
  could solve my mini moves problem.  I guess I need to go look for some
  rack
  now.  I'd be happy with 16 or even 8.
 
  -Tim
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:48 PM
  Subject: Re: fancy dovetail joints
 
 
  I have never really wanted the incra dove tail jig I do any dovetails
on
  the
  legacy imcluding the contrasting wood
  as explained its just a matter of doing it twice once with the
differant
  color wood then once dry again a little smaller with the joining piece
  Bill
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Euro-Legacy r...@woodworkersworkshop.co.uk
  To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:52 AM
  Subject: Re: fancy dovetail joints
 
 
  Hi Mac
  Go look on the INCRA website and you will find out how simple it is to
  make, alternatively ring me in the morning and purchase an INCRA LS 17
  WFNCSYS Jig, available now in metric or Imperial measurement system.
  Alternatively give it a little thought, two different coloured timbers
  glued and joined using dovetail joint, then when set cut the width of
  the coloured detail line required and remake the dovetails. It is
  actually simple, just like live when you know how and with a INCRA Jig
  anyone can make them if I can, even Bill down in oz who could call my
  mate Grahame at Professional Woodworkers Supplies and by an INCRA
  locally!
  Best regards
  Roger
 
  On Mar 24, 11:30 pm, MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net wrote:
   Hello chaps,how do you make those fancy contrasting woods
   dovetails,you can see them on the expensive Incra, tool rigs as
   examples,Aaron I think you wrote something on this a while back,what
   I'm trying to ask is how they make the dovetail lining within a
   dovetail,a pretty neat trick that looks,anybody know how it's done,
   Bill I'm still trying to make an example of your twists within a
   twist,within a twist,but not doing too well,can you give a work
   procedure step by step ,if you've got time to spare,to anyone
   interested,I have made some really good Ribbon twists using both a
   long straight 1/2 CUTTER,and a 2 core box cutter,recommended in a
   tip from Roger,my supplier,one of our little group,a Downs syndrome
   lad can make them,he takes his time and is very patient,I can always
   tell if he's getting agitated and I sort it,if he makes a mistake
what
   the hell it's only wood,I wish we could get Curly Maple as reasonably
   priced as our Canadian cousins,it cost the dickens over here,that's
   all for now, MAC.
 
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