date:20200901

Re: template work

2020-09-01 Thread Richard Ellis

Hi Curt & Bill
Thank you both for your help, and for keeping the group alive and kicking.. 
I do have a motor drive to the spindle. I always start with a rounded off 
square sectioned piece And then when template work I go the safe way . Bit 
of job to keep the cutter cutting as the same time as sliding the carriage .
*Now if I had a drive to the leadscrew* I would cut the non-safe way
Richard

On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 2:51:49 PM UTC+1, Curt George wrote:
>
> Good morning everyone.
> Richard. everything Bill said is good advice. light cuts is a must for 
> safety and best results.
> If I understand you correctly. you do  not own a motor for your revo? Then 
> you need to try this. Make a template for your coat rack. instead of 
> turning and trying to follow the template at the same time, Lock your 
> spindle in place using your index plate, and then follow the template , 
> once you get to the end, index the part one or two deg. and do it again, 
> this way you will be taking light cuts, have more control, The more indexes 
> you take the rounder the part will become.
>
> I hope this helps, Please let us know how it turns out.
>
> C.A.G.
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020, 04:45:28 AM EDT, Richard Ellis <
> rchrd...@gmail.com > wrote: 
>
>
> Thanks Bill & Curt
> I am thinking of making an old fashioned hat and coat stand out of some 
> brown oak I felled and slabbed 40 years ago The Revo has drive to the 
> spindle but not the leadscrew 
> The biggest problem is keeping the cutter up to the template and turning 
> the handle.
> The other problem is controlling the depth of cut . *Do you use the stops 
> or the lock knob??*
> Richard
>
> On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 8:56:17 PM UTC+1, Curt George wrote:
>
> Hello and Good day. ( It's Sunday and Im not working!) ;-)
>
> Richard here is a write up on the types of cutting that should help. 
> In normal woodworking Climb milling is not safe, the router bit can (and 
> normal dose) take off like a car wheel on pavement,  It will give you a 
> better looking cut,But
> as Bill stated under controlled (with the lead screw en-gauged) it can be 
> done safely.   The Only lesion I state this, is depending on which side of 
> center, left to right and ... can be confusing to people reading this.
> I would like to also note.  when cutting across the grain like at the ends 
> of a spindle this come into play a lot. (on which side of the cut is ragged 
> and what is not.) When cutting form the end (tail stock) I normally cut 
> form the front (screw side for the Legacy owners but not REVO owners) and 
> when cutting from the head-stock end, I cut form the back side...
>
> NOTE:That's why in the NAVY they use the terms, Port, and Starboard. (US 
> not England, they use Starboard and Larr-board term...) to keep things more 
> clear and understandable.   
>
> I hope this helps?
> Have a Great day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 07:54:14 PM EDT,  
> wrote: 
>
>
> I always try to cut down hill and always in gear feeding with the cross 
> slide free which I control by hand. I set the finished depth at the highest 
> point of the template which matches the highest point on the blank which is 
> already milled to that finished size, I touch the cutter on that point and 
> then set the styles on the template to suit. Then I just feed the carriage 
> taking light cuts controlling the depth with the cross slide by hand as it 
> cuts till the last cut is following along the template.
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@ googlegroups.com  
> *On Behalf Of *Richard Ellis
> *Sent:* Sunday, 30 August 2020 1:43 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>
> *Subject:* template work
>
>  
>
> How do you folk use the template, do you start to cut left to right or 
> right to left,, cutting left to right takes less effort.Also how do you 
> adjust the depth of cut, do you use the lock screw knob or the adjustable 
> stops?
>
> Richard
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Re: large rope spiral

2020-09-01 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=bEq42zkQzu4  try this... ;-)

C.A.G.
On Tuesday, September 1, 2020, 10:03:19 AM EDT, Curt George 
 wrote:  
 
  Do the best you can. If possible it will add a lot to your videos. Dont worry 
about copy writes, You are not selling anything, so there should not be a 
problem, If you are still worrying about the copy write laws, just use some 
music that is OLD and those copy laws no longer apply,   Again Waltzing 
Matilda, OR Motarzt would not have any problems... ;-p
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, September 1, 2020, 05:26:04 AM EDT,  
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I think I worked out how to turn the sound down and perhaps if its not too 
difficult add music and if I can do it at the same time as im editing the video 
I will see. the problem with music is not getting in trouble with copy right 
router noise is royalty free 😊 I’m not putting any extra time in on it but we 
will see how it goes I’m not promising anything.

  

Bill

  

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2020 2:23 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: large rope spiral

  

Hey there Bill

I know that I am great full for all the work you have done. 

  

How about just putting a rag or tape over the mic. That should muffle some of 
the sound. Then you can humm, Waltzing Matilda to us while the machine is 
running   ;-p 

  

C.A.G.

On Monday, August 31, 2020, 10:59:57 PM EDT, M.W.Foscue 
 wrote: 

  

  

Bill,

I completely understand.  I was not sure if you had a family member or friend 
that was there helping you.

You were busy!  Like a "one-arm paper hanger"!

Thanks again for what you do post here.  We all appreciate it - VERY much!

Mac


-Original Message- 
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
Sent: Aug 31, 2020 7:44 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: large rope spiral 

I may be able to turn the back ground sound down I’m not sure my computer 
skills are not great also editing ,joining the clips together and uploading it 
to youtube is extremely time consuming I do not have the time to do much more 
than I am also holding the phone and milling at the same time is hard too and I 
do all my work from a mobility scooter sorry I’m not going to the great expense 
of cameras mics stands and all else that is needed to make nice professional 
videos like you see on youtube. I have no one to help me either so sorry what 
you see is what you get for now. I know its not great but it’s better than 
nothing.

I did this last long video to try and show how you use a 2 router bit 
combinations to make very large spirals. I had to make 4 legs for my kitchen 
bench so I thought I would video how I did it. I might even add something like 
a rosette to the top of the leg I’m not sure yet I’m making these legs up as I 
go.

 

Bill

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2020 5:09 AM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Re: large rope spiral

 

Bill,

I agree - the Plexiglas "shield" is a HUGE improvement.  We (and you) can now 
easily see what the cutter is doing.

Like Curtis suggested - if you could turn down the background sound (router 
sound) and add a running "commentary" about what we are seeing/what you and the 
Mill are doing, it would be VERY helpful;  especially to folks that are just 
learning to use their Mill or are wanting to start turning ropes and Barley 
Twists.

Thanks for all that you do for The Group.

Mac


-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Aug 31, 2020 9:51 AM 
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: large rope spiral 

Very Nice! Good job Bill !  Now all you n

Re: large rope spiral

2020-09-01 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Do the best you can. If possible it will add a lot to your videos. Dont worry 
about copy writes, You are not selling anything, so there should not be a 
problem, If you are still worrying about the copy write laws, just use some 
music that is OLD and those copy laws no longer apply,   Again Waltzing 
Matilda, OR Motarzt would not have any problems... ;-p
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, September 1, 2020, 05:26:04 AM EDT,  
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I think I worked out how to turn the sound down and perhaps if its not too 
difficult add music and if I can do it at the same time as im editing the video 
I will see. the problem with music is not getting in trouble with copy right 
router noise is royalty free 😊 I’m not putting any extra time in on it but we 
will see how it goes I’m not promising anything.

  

Bill

  

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2020 2:23 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: large rope spiral

  

Hey there Bill

I know that I am great full for all the work you have done. 

  

How about just putting a rag or tape over the mic. That should muffle some of 
the sound. Then you can humm, Waltzing Matilda to us while the machine is 
running   ;-p 

  

C.A.G.

On Monday, August 31, 2020, 10:59:57 PM EDT, M.W.Foscue 
 wrote: 

  

  

Bill,

I completely understand.  I was not sure if you had a family member or friend 
that was there helping you.

You were busy!  Like a "one-arm paper hanger"!

Thanks again for what you do post here.  We all appreciate it - VERY much!

Mac


-Original Message- 
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
Sent: Aug 31, 2020 7:44 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: large rope spiral 

I may be able to turn the back ground sound down I’m not sure my computer 
skills are not great also editing ,joining the clips together and uploading it 
to youtube is extremely time consuming I do not have the time to do much more 
than I am also holding the phone and milling at the same time is hard too and I 
do all my work from a mobility scooter sorry I’m not going to the great expense 
of cameras mics stands and all else that is needed to make nice professional 
videos like you see on youtube. I have no one to help me either so sorry what 
you see is what you get for now. I know its not great but it’s better than 
nothing.

I did this last long video to try and show how you use a 2 router bit 
combinations to make very large spirals. I had to make 4 legs for my kitchen 
bench so I thought I would video how I did it. I might even add something like 
a rosette to the top of the leg I’m not sure yet I’m making these legs up as I 
go.

 

Bill

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2020 5:09 AM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Re: large rope spiral

 

Bill,

I agree - the Plexiglas "shield" is a HUGE improvement.  We (and you) can now 
easily see what the cutter is doing.

Like Curtis suggested - if you could turn down the background sound (router 
sound) and add a running "commentary" about what we are seeing/what you and the 
Mill are doing, it would be VERY helpful;  especially to folks that are just 
learning to use their Mill or are wanting to start turning ropes and Barley 
Twists.

Thanks for all that you do for The Group.

Mac


-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Aug 31, 2020 9:51 AM 
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: large rope spiral 

Very Nice! Good job Bill !  Now all you need to do is kill the sound and add 
music. ;-)

 

C.A.G.

On Monday, August 31, 2020, 05:05:59 AM EDT,  wrote: 

 

Your plexiglass idea worked quite well curt

 

https://yout

Re: template work

2020-09-01 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Good morning everyone.Richard. everything Bill said is good advice. light cuts 
is a must for safety and best results.If I understand you correctly. you do  
not own a motor for your revo? Then you need to try this. Make a template for 
your coat rack. instead of turning and trying to follow the template at the 
same time, Lock your spindle in place using your index plate, and then follow 
the template , once you get to the end, index the part one or two deg. and do 
it again, this way you will be taking light cuts, have more control, The more 
indexes you take the rounder the part will become.
I hope this helps, Please let us know how it turns out.
C.A.G.On Tuesday, September 1, 2020, 04:45:28 AM EDT, Richard Ellis 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks Bill & CurtI am thinking of making an old fashioned hat and coat stand 
out of some brown oak I felled and slabbed 40 years ago The Revo has drive to 
the spindle but not the leadscrew The biggest problem is keeping the cutter up 
to the template and turning the handle.The other problem is controlling the 
depth of cut . Do you use the stops or the lock knob??Richard

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 8:56:17 PM UTC+1, Curt George wrote:
 Hello and Good day. ( It's Sunday and Im not working!) ;-)
Richard here is a write up on the types of cutting that should help. In normal 
woodworking Climb milling is not safe, the router bit can (and normal dose) 
take off like a car wheel on pavement,  It will give you a better looking 
cut,Butas Bill stated under controlled (with the lead screw en-gauged) it can 
be done safely.   The Only lesion I state this, is depending on which side of 
center, left to right and ... can be confusing to people reading this.I would 
like to also note.  when cutting across the grain like at the ends of a spindle 
this come into play a lot. (on which side of the cut is ragged and what is 
not.) When cutting form the end (tail stock) I normally cut form the front 
(screw side for the Legacy owners but not REVO owners) and when cutting from 
the head-stock end, I cut form the back side...
NOTE:That's why in the NAVY they use the terms, Port, and Starboard. (US not 
England, they use Starboard and Larr-board term...) to keep things more clear 
and understandable.   
I hope this helps?Have a Great day.
C.A.G.



On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 07:54:14 PM EDT,  
wrote:  
 
 
I always try to cut down hill and always in gear feeding with the cross slide 
free which I control by hand. I set the finished depth at the highest point of 
the template which matches the highest point on the blank which is already 
milled to that finished size, I touch the cutter on that point and then set the 
styles on the template to suit. Then I just feed the carriage taking light cuts 
controlling the depth with the cross slide by hand as it cuts till the last cut 
is following along the template.

  

Bill

  

  

From: legacy-orna...@ googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Richard Ellis
Sent: Sunday, 30 August 2020 1:43 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 

Subject: template work
  

How do you folk use the template, do you start to cut left to right or right to 
left,, cutting left to right takes less effort.Also how do you adjust the depth 
of cut, do you use the lock screw knob or the adjustable stops?

Richard

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RE: large rope spiral

2020-09-01 Thread bulkeley

I think I worked out how to turn the sound down and perhaps if its not too 
difficult add music and if I can do it at the same time as im editing the video 
I will see. the problem with music is not getting in trouble with copy right 
router noise is royalty free 😊 I’m not putting any extra time in on it but we 
will see how it goes I’m not promising anything.

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2020 2:23 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: large rope spiral

 

Hey there Bill

I know that I am great full for all the work you have done. 

 

How about just putting a rag or tape over the mic. That should muffle some of 
the sound. Then you can humm, Waltzing Matilda to us while the machine is 
running   ;-p 

 

C.A.G.

On Monday, August 31, 2020, 10:59:57 PM EDT, M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Bill,

I completely understand.  I was not sure if you had a family member or friend 
that was there helping you.

You were busy!  Like a "one-arm paper hanger"!

Thanks again for what you do post here.  We all appreciate it - VERY much!

Mac

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  _  

-Original Message- 
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au   
Sent: Aug 31, 2020 7:44 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
Subject: RE: large rope spiral 

I may be able to turn the back ground sound down I’m not sure my computer 
skills are not great also editing ,joining the clips together and uploading it 
to youtube is extremely time consuming I do not have the time to do much more 
than I am also holding the phone and milling at the same time is hard too and I 
do all my work from a mobility scooter sorry I’m not going to the great expense 
of cameras mics stands and all else that is needed to make nice professional 
videos like you see on youtube. I have no one to help me either so sorry what 
you see is what you get for now. I know its not great but it’s better than 
nothing.

I did this last long video to try and show how you use a 2 router bit 
combinations to make very large spirals. I had to make 4 legs for my kitchen 
bench so I thought I would video how I did it. I might even add something like 
a rosette to the top of the leg I’m not sure yet I’m making these legs up as I 
go.

 

Bill


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From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2020 5:09 AM
To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: large rope spiral

 

Bill,

I agree - the Plexiglas "shield" is a HUGE improvement.  We (and you) can now 
easily see what the cutter is doing.

Like Curtis suggested - if you could turn down the background sound (router 
sound) and add a running "commentary" about what we are seeing/what you and the 
Mill are doing, it would be VERY helpful;  especially to folks that are just 
learning to use their Mill or are wanting to start turning ropes and Barley 
Twists.

Thanks for all that you do for The Group.

Mac


  _  


  _  


-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Aug 31, 2020 9:51 AM 
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 " 
Subject: Re: large rope spiral 

Very Nice! Good job Bill !  Now all you need to do is kill the sound and add 
music. ;-)

 

C.A.G.


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On Monday, August 31, 2020, 05:05:59 AM EDT, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

Your plexiglass idea worked quite well curt

 

https://youtu.be/56jus6-Sohk

 

Bill


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From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
bulke...@mmnet.com.au  
Sent: Monday, 31 August 2020 7:50 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: RE: large rope spiral

 

Yes I might just try that

 

Bill


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From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, 31 August 2020 3:47 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: large rope spiral

 

Very Nice Bill!

May I suggest that a Plexiglas dust shield, might add something to the 
photographery .  (and the Darth Vader sound effaces, keep me on the edge of my 
seat! It's like the white knuckler sup-pence film's, of my Youth, Just waiting 
for something to happen,due to the sound effect...) ;-p

 

Have a great day.

 

C.A.G.


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On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 07:13:56 PM EDT, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

Yeste

Re: template work

2020-09-01 Thread Richard Ellis

Thanks Bill & Curt
I am thinking of making an old fashioned hat and coat stand out of some 
brown oak I felled and slabbed 40 years ago The Revo has drive to the 
spindle but not the leadscrew 
The biggest problem is keeping the cutter up to the template and turning 
the handle.
The other problem is controlling the depth of cut . *Do you use the stops 
or the lock knob??*
Richard

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 8:56:17 PM UTC+1, Curt George wrote:
>
> Hello and Good day. ( It's Sunday and Im not working!) ;-)
>
> Richard here is a write up on the types of cutting that should help. 
> In normal woodworking Climb milling is not safe, the router bit can (and 
> normal dose) take off like a car wheel on pavement,  It will give you a 
> better looking cut,But
> as Bill stated under controlled (with the lead screw en-gauged) it can be 
> done safely.   The Only lesion I state this, is depending on which side of 
> center, left to right and ... can be confusing to people reading this.
> I would like to also note.  when cutting across the grain like at the ends 
> of a spindle this come into play a lot. (on which side of the cut is ragged 
> and what is not.) When cutting form the end (tail stock) I normally cut 
> form the front (screw side for the Legacy owners but not REVO owners) and 
> when cutting from the head-stock end, I cut form the back side...
>
> NOTE:That's why in the NAVY they use the terms, Port, and Starboard. (US 
> not England, they use Starboard and Larr-board term...) to keep things more 
> clear and understandable.   
>
> I hope this helps?
> Have a Great day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 07:54:14 PM EDT,  > wrote: 
>
>
> I always try to cut down hill and always in gear feeding with the cross 
> slide free which I control by hand. I set the finished depth at the highest 
> point of the template which matches the highest point on the blank which is 
> already milled to that finished size, I touch the cutter on that point and 
> then set the styles on the template to suit. Then I just feed the carriage 
> taking light cuts controlling the depth with the cross slide by hand as it 
> cuts till the last cut is following along the template.
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com > *On Behalf Of *Richard 
> Ellis
> *Sent:* Sunday, 30 August 2020 1:43 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills  >
> *Subject:* template work
>
>  
>
> How do you folk use the template, do you start to cut left to right or 
> right to left,, cutting left to right takes less effort.Also how do you 
> adjust the depth of cut, do you use the lock screw knob or the adjustable 
> stops?
>
> Richard
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