Re: ROLL CALL!!!

[Tom Dotta]

Hi All  especially the frequent posters,  Thanks Guys from an avid reader
but no longer much of a user.

Still upright and at 88 that is not all bad.

Does anyone know the total count of Legacy mills, as well as
the group count?   It seems there must be several hundred

machines but less than one hundred group members??

I'm wondering if it wouldn't be nice to have a directory like the OTI to
better facilitate interaction within the group?

Cheers to allTom D   California







On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 5:07 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Thats sad to hear Bill.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 3:47 AM  wrote:
>
>> Well 66 members is great as I said before better a smaller amount of
>> contributing members than 500 we never hear from.as for our uk members
>> I’m fairly sure the member from the uk that had a revo I cant remember his
>> name might have passed away just before we stopped hearing from him he was
>> telling on a privet email me he was having heart problems and his memory
>> was failing and he had to give up all woodwork anybody else I don’t know.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 5, 2023 12:47 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: ROLL CALL!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> 66 members so far.
>>
>> I for one  am glad to hear form everyone.
>>
>> Still no word on any of our English LOM Members?
>>
>>
>>
>> Still no word on Roger. (Brigitte ? any idea if ???)
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope and Pray that everyone is doing well.  Keep up the good work and
>> crafts everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>> Take care.
>>
>>
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:19:08 AM UTC-4 slhel...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> Still here
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023, 1:45 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello, Back to you. ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 01:04:40 AM EDT, John Von Brandt <
>> jvonb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 10:39 AM Jeff Richmond  wrote:
>>
>> I am still here, fairly long time Legacy user ( since 2004) but
>> definitely not an old timer with this user group. Happy to be part of it,
>> wish I knew about it sooner and joined sooner.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not an as active poster as I would like to be since shop time is limited
>> and my workshop still needs attention after moving a couple years ago but
>> those users that do share motivate me to keep trying.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep inspiring us all, Thanks again.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:55 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Yes I think it was a great idea Curt.
>>
>> How many responded though compared to the total members? We must still
>> have
>>
>> some silent lurkers. LOL
>>
>>
>>
>> *Anyone else out there? Curt would really like to keep everyone active
>> and in the loop.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 11:27 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>> Mills  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am very glad to see you all reply to the Roll Call.  Its really nice to
>> see so many names that we have not heard form in a long time.
>>
>>
>>
>> I asked in the very first, Has anyone any idea what happened to Roger
>> (form England, or any of the English LOM members?) It would be so very nice
>> to talk to some old friends why we have not heard form... I hope and pray
>> that everyone is well and making some neat things in there work shops.
>>
>>
>>
>> Talk to you all more latter.
>>
>>
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:06:24 PM EDT, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m still here.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2023 10:46 AM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: ROLL CALL!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey David glad you are on the mend. I got one of those chest zippers back
>> in 2003. Not a problem since.
>>
>> Happy travels Mike. Sounds like you are having fun.
>>
>> Denson
>>
>> Sent from Denson's iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 23, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Steven Jacobs  wrote:
>>
>> Still Lurking!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thx,
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Jacobs
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 23, 2023, at 10:58 AM, Tracy Smith  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm here as well. Just lurking. I haven't done too much for the last few
>> years (since covid). I do enjoy seeing the discussions and work being done.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>

Re: ROLL CALL!!!

[Tom Dotta]

Hey Guys

Take this as both  an apology and a Big 'Thank You'  for all of  your
postings often read though not responded to.

Cheers and much appreciationTom D   California

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Re: Quick and easy Sunday project

[Tom Dotta]

What bone looks like alabaster?  Tom D

On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 4:46 PM Eric Gantner 
wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Those look really cool!
>
> Eric Gantner
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 2, 2023, at 3:52 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> One more load of laundry to go.
> But Here is the second one.
>
> Again, The handle was done with the wave attachment and on a couture, but
> with a
> different template this time.
>
> Have a good day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 02:15:01 PM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>
>
> Hello everyone.
> Just got some time in the shop, in between laundry loads. (its been one
> messy week for me, I went through 8 uniforms in 5 days. "O"What fun. ) :-p
>
> Just playing around with some bone scraps (colored bones that did not make
> the cut.)
>
> I am going to try this again. I used the Wave Attachment on a
> couture/template follower.
> Its Truly an learning experience. ;-)
>
> Please let me know what you think?
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Mansards. Master force vise.

[Tom Dotta]

Please more  info on Pix 003   \TKSTom Dotta

On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 9:11 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello Eric.
>
> Yes, but the topic was meant for the ratchet handle, and how it could be
> used, Like the gearing index on the OT machine.
> I was looking at something new and somewhat different for the LOM.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 02:53:48 PM EST, Eric Gantner <
> chefswoodturn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Is that a Picture of a Rose Engine?
>
> Eric Gantner
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 27, 2023, at 9:06 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Good morning guys.
>
> Tim. I wish that was in my shop. But sadly no.
>
> Bill. A ratchet ring spanner ? Perhaps??? I did not think about that.
>
> Buying a ratchet would be pretty close to the same price, (+,-)  Like Tim
> said, Everyone can use a vice, by taking the ratchet off this vice would
> make the
> job easer, A normal handle on the vice would still make it useable.  I
> just though it
> was a neat idea. By putting a stop/limit on a ratchet, would make it easy
> to control
> the movement, and would reduce the need to count holes in an index plate.
> As I side
> it was just an idea, Something that I dont need at the time, but Perhaps
> one that I can
> use in the future?
>
> Have a good day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 01:27:02 AM EST, 
> wrote:
>
>
> Cant you just buy a tool kit ratchet instead of the whole thing or even a
> ratchet ring spanner ?
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, 27 January 2023 4:51 PM
> *To:* Legacy ornamental mills 
> *Subject:* Mansards. Master force vise.
>
>
>
> Hello Everyone.
>
> Just found this today, It may sound dumb, but I want to buy one and use
> the ratchet handle on my Legacy, If I can make an adjustable limit bracket,
> this could be very handy. (Like the photo below.) It would be a very neat
> way of indexing,
>
>
> https://www.menards.com/main/tools/hand-tools/clamps-vises/masterforce-reg-low-profile-vise/65156/p-136618025-c-9135.htm?tid=6618178562760728390=7=true
>  $37.00
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/johncookharmonicas/videos/6683015205058261?idorvanity=1509604172399116
>  video.
>
>
>
> Something to think about.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: bowl

[Tom Dotta]

Assuming the goblet is turned full depth what is the setup to allow such 
long reach deep turning?   Love to see a video of the process. 

Also love to see the finished project after the tool is sharpened and cuts 
properly.  Monumental effort!  Most people would not need

 a refill of that wine glass.  LOL

Tom  Dotta


On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 4:41:15 AM UTC-7 aussiman wrote:

> I wonder where the hell he found a piece of wood that big it doesn’t seem 
> laminated
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Rick Hutley
> *Sent:* Saturday, 16 July 2022 9:23 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: bowl
>
>  
>
> Wow - that’s a LOT of sanding
>
>
>
> On Jul 16, 2022, at 07:02, bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
> 
>
> I thought that bowl might be a bit big so I thought I might start with 
> something much smaller a nice little goblet lol
>
>  
>
> [image: image001.png]
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Thursday, 14 July 2022 2:20 AM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: bowl
>
>  
>
> Hey Dan I think its a one size fits all "ACME ATTACHMENT" we can purchase 
> from the same store as Wile E Coyote buys from lol. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 8:35 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> Wow, Bill.  If you're thinking of working something like this on your LOM, 
> I'm pretty sure yours ins bigger than mine!  
>
> Does one do this because one can?  Lots of resources involved
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 10:27:26 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Holy cow!  that's one big bowl. How would you like to have to glue all 
> that up. 
>
> Thanks for sharing that though Bill. Very cool. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 8:42 AM  wrote:
>
> Now I just have to work out how to do one like this on the legacy lol  
>
>  
>
> Bill
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Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help

[Tom Dotta]

Hey Tim, Tracy

Pleased with your prompt response and offer to get some help headed to
those brave souls.

CheersTom Dotta

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 11:49 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Hey Tom,
>
> Thanks so much for your response. I have been emailing Arkady everyday
> just staying in touch. He did inform me
> that they were assured that PayPal was supposed to work for them from
> other countries.
> Yes, a very discouraging thing indeed. I agree small amounts would be best
> as of the uncertainty of it getting there to him.
> I would be willing to take the reins as I suggested it .
> I also have a local church in the loop that we are possibly going to get
> some response from.
> Stay tuned I am still trying to figure out how we can get paypal to work,
> or open to suggestions.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:17 AM Tom Dotta  wrote:
>
>> Hey fellow LOM'ers
>>
>> I'm sure that we all shed a tear for the incredible destruction and
>> personal suffering the Ukrainian people  are experiencing at hands of a
>> Despot.
>>
>> I also believe most of us would like to do something to help so I would
>> like to propose a test to determine if we can actually make something work.
>>
>> To follow up on Tim & Bills' suggestions, if we all sent one of them five
>> dollars to be forwarded to Arkady it could help disproportionately.  These
>> super
>>
>>  brave people are fighting and dying for all of us so that we can
>> continue to enjoy our precious freedom.
>>
>> Tim or Bill, would either of you be willing to do the work of
>> receiving and forwarding donations?  If so please let the groupe know where
>> and how to
>>
>>  send a donation.
>>
>> Let's bring a little cheer to a cheerless situation and 'Have a Nice
>> Day'Tom Dotta
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 3:50 AM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Curt
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 11:22 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>>> Mills  wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's Nice Tim.
>>>>
>>>> Let us know what you want to do and  how to do it.
>>>> I too would like to help Arkady if I can.
>>>>
>>>> Please tell him that he will be in my Prayers. Hopefully this mess
>>>> will all be over soon?
>>>>
>>>> C.A.G.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022, 07:11:16 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
>>>> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Rick, I know it will be appreciated.
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>
>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 4:52 PM Rick Hutley  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Me too
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 17, 2022, at 17:50, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> I would be willing to put in a few dollars to help out a member in need
>>>> if every member of our group is willing to give just a couple of dollars it
>>>> would add up to a nice amount to help out our member in great need.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, 18 March 2022 7:42 AM
>>>> *To:* LOM Group 
>>>> *Subject:* Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good afternoon LOM group,
>>>>
>>>> As many of you know Ukraine is undergoing a mess right now and one of
>>>> our
>>>>
>>>> group members is from the Ukraine and many of you know him better then
>>>> I do.
>>>>
>>>> I have been talking to 

Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help

[Tom Dotta]

Hey fellow LOM'ers

I'm sure that we all shed a tear for the incredible destruction and
personal suffering the Ukrainian people  are experiencing at hands of a
Despot.

I also believe most of us would like to do something to help so I would
like to propose a test to determine if we can actually make something work.

To follow up on Tim & Bills' suggestions, if we all sent one of them five
dollars to be forwarded to Arkady it could help disproportionately.  These
super

 brave people are fighting and dying for all of us so that we can
continue to enjoy our precious freedom.

Tim or Bill, would either of you be willing to do the work of receiving and
forwarding donations?  If so please let the groupe know where and how to

 send a donation.

Let's bring a little cheer to a cheerless situation and 'Have a Nice Day'
  Tom Dotta




On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 3:50 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Thanks Curt
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 11:22 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>  wrote:
>
>> That's Nice Tim.
>>
>> Let us know what you want to do and  how to do it.
>> I too would like to help Arkady if I can.
>>
>> Please tell him that he will be in my Prayers. Hopefully this mess
>> will all be over soon?
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022, 07:11:16 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks Rick, I know it will be appreciated.
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 4:52 PM Rick Hutley  wrote:
>>
>> Me too
>>
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2022, at 17:50, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I would be willing to put in a few dollars to help out a member in need
>> if every member of our group is willing to give just a couple of dollars it
>> would add up to a nice amount to help out our member in great need.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Friday, 18 March 2022 7:42 AM
>> *To:* LOM Group 
>> *Subject:* Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help
>>
>>
>>
>> Good afternoon LOM group,
>>
>> As many of you know Ukraine is undergoing a mess right now and one of our
>>
>> group members is from the Ukraine and many of you know him better then I
>> do.
>>
>> I have been talking to him consistently this past few days in concern for
>> his safety and well being.
>>
>> First he had to leave his home and stayed in a basement at a friend or
>> relatives home, now they are refugee's working on trying to get to West
>> Germany.
>>
>> Many of the closer area's are already saturated with refugees so he's
>> attempting to get to West Germany possibly.
>>
>> Currently they have a very old car and no money. I offered to reach out
>> to the group and see if there is anything anyone can do monetarily to help
>> Arkady?
>>
>> Also does anyone know anyone that could offer them a place to stay?
>>
>> I reached out to some relatives but so far to no avail.
>>
>> I have discussed this with a couple other's on the Forum and thought it a
>> good idea. At this point still a little uncertain to how we can get him
>> funds but I know
>>
>> as Curt always says: where there's a will there's a way.
>>
>> Also I have reached out to a local Church as well to see what can be done.
>>
>> Please consider helping our Friend out. He may never see his homeland
>> again.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 cell
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Re: test

[Tom Dotta]

they do make their way to CaliforniaCheers Tom

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 8:09 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
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> I wouldn't ignore you. ;-p
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, October 17, 2021, 03:06:38 AM EDT, bulke...@mmnet.com.au <
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
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> Just doing a test to see if my emails are getting out please ignore
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Fwd: Marking / "Signing" your work - for posterity

[Tom Dotta]

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From: Tom Dotta 
Date: Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: Marking / "Signing" your work - for posterity
To: 


Happy Thanksgiving Guys & Gals
i mostly just do hobby & Gifts and find that signing with a contrasting
color metallic gel pen under the clear finish works for me.
Mostly I use either Gold or Silver and use first & middle names in script.
Thomas Edwin Dotta

On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 6:49 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> This is the logo I'm currently using when I run them on the Laser,
> My electric branding Iron is similar but less information.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 5:51 PM Ken Fisher  wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone. I don’t post much on any blogs I am subscribed to but
>> read them quite often. Thought I
>> Would chime in on signing my work. I actually sign in different ways. At
>> first I didn’t sign anything but was encouraged to do so by several of the
>> people that received my work. Didn’t seem to matter if it was a gift or
>> actually purchased. I do now ask before signing a commissioned piece. I
>> have yet to have someone say no but out of respect I still ask. Now on to
>> signing. On items like furniture or cutting boards I have an electric
>> branding iron that I bought from Woodcraft several years ago. For my work
>> that I do on my lathe or LOM I typically sign with a pen from my wood
>> burning set.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2020, at 10:44 AM, M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Happy Thanksgiving to all.
>>
>> Curtis mentioned he has two "irons" he uses to mark/"sign" his work.  And
>> that he embeds a penny in the work - using one from the current year.
>> I feel it is very worthwhile and important to mark / "sign" all projects
>> you make.  You may think "Oh, it's just a kid's footstool" or "it's just a
>> little toy truck".
>> But - that "toy truck" may end up a keepsake by whomever you gave it to -
>> even if you gave it to the Salvation Army's toy drive.  Wouldn't it be nice
>> for them to have that "reminder" of who made it and when?
>>
>> Now - for the Discussion part - and hopefully we will get a lot of input.
>> 1.  Do you mark /"sign" your work?
>> 2.  If yes, how do you mark /"sign" your work?
>> 3.  Do you have a "branding iron"?
>> 4.  If yes - Please tell us about it - Like:
>>  A.  Electric?  or heat it with a flame/torch?
>>  B.  Commercially made?  Or home made?
>>  C.  Pros & Cons of the one you have?
>>  D.  If commercially made, would you buy an identical as a
>> replacement - or go with another model or brand?
>>
>> Anything else that you feel you either want to share with us about your
>> branding iron.
>> or
>> Any questions you have about all of the above questions and discussion.
>>
>> Thank you in advance for your thoughts, questions, and input.
>> I hope the info discussed in this will be useful to many of us.
>> Blessings!
>> Mac
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Re: Marking / "Signing" your work - for posterity

[Tom Dotta]

Happy Thanksgiving Guys & Gals
i mostly just do hobby & Gifts and find that signing with a contrasting
color metallic gel pen under the clear finish works for me.
Mostly I use either Gold or Silver and use first & middle names in script.
Thomas Edwin Dotta

On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 6:49 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> This is the logo I'm currently using when I run them on the Laser,
> My electric branding Iron is similar but less information.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 5:51 PM Ken Fisher  wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone. I don’t post much on any blogs I am subscribed to but
>> read them quite often. Thought I
>> Would chime in on signing my work. I actually sign in different ways. At
>> first I didn’t sign anything but was encouraged to do so by several of the
>> people that received my work. Didn’t seem to matter if it was a gift or
>> actually purchased. I do now ask before signing a commissioned piece. I
>> have yet to have someone say no but out of respect I still ask. Now on to
>> signing. On items like furniture or cutting boards I have an electric
>> branding iron that I bought from Woodcraft several years ago. For my work
>> that I do on my lathe or LOM I typically sign with a pen from my wood
>> burning set.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2020, at 10:44 AM, M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Happy Thanksgiving to all.
>>
>> Curtis mentioned he has two "irons" he uses to mark/"sign" his work.  And
>> that he embeds a penny in the work - using one from the current year.
>> I feel it is very worthwhile and important to mark / "sign" all projects
>> you make.  You may think "Oh, it's just a kid's footstool" or "it's just a
>> little toy truck".
>> But - that "toy truck" may end up a keepsake by whomever you gave it to -
>> even if you gave it to the Salvation Army's toy drive.  Wouldn't it be nice
>> for them to have that "reminder" of who made it and when?
>>
>> Now - for the Discussion part - and hopefully we will get a lot of input.
>> 1.  Do you mark /"sign" your work?
>> 2.  If yes, how do you mark /"sign" your work?
>> 3.  Do you have a "branding iron"?
>> 4.  If yes - Please tell us about it - Like:
>>  A.  Electric?  or heat it with a flame/torch?
>>  B.  Commercially made?  Or home made?
>>  C.  Pros & Cons of the one you have?
>>  D.  If commercially made, would you buy an identical as a
>> replacement - or go with another model or brand?
>>
>> Anything else that you feel you either want to share with us about your
>> branding iron.
>> or
>> Any questions you have about all of the above questions and discussion.
>>
>> Thank you in advance for your thoughts, questions, and input.
>> I hope the info discussed in this will be useful to many of us.
>> Blessings!
>> Mac
>>
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Re: spiral rosette

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Bill
Nice work using the rotary table.  Could you tell more about the scroll saw
cutting the metal gear.  The foot is especially interesting.
Is the machine an Aussie brand?  Would sure appreciate a pix of the whole
machine if you have time.
Thanks   Tom Dotta in California

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 5:02 AM  wrote:

> Thanks curt I might look at that if the Dimond pattern works out
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 10 November 2020 11:57 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: spiral rosette
>
>
>
> Nice Job Bill
>
>
>
> If you take your router bit, and line it up on the edge of the pattern,
> you can cut a flat on the edge to make your pattern a circle, I know when I
> did that, Years ago, it made my pattern stand out even more.
>
> Awesome Job. Keep up the good work.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2020, 06:55:51 AM EST, 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> No sanding accept the little parts where the tool didn’t quite cover
> that’s why I thumbs up maybe lol
>
> Next I’m going to mill over it in the opposite direction and see if it
> forms a Dimond pattern like we do on spindles.
>
> I did this one first in case the Dimond idea doesn’t work.
>
>
>
> After that I’m not sure what I will do maybe I might try and add a
> eccentric option on the rotary table I’m not sure just playing right now.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 10 November 2020 10:41 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: spiral rosette
>
>
>
> Wow that has some incredible flow. How much hand sanding or any?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 1:23 AM  wrote:
>
> Made this one today video coming soon, 12 start  2 inch pitch with a 1inch
> rope moulding bit, moving the saddle towards the tail stock 1 ¼ inches
> between cuts. The video editing is a bit out but you will get the idea very
> repetitive.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
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Re: my front yard

[Tom Dotta]

I'm guessing all of the Kiwallas are up the eucs,Thanks for the look,
brings back fond memories of past trips to west island. Tom D

On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 9:47 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
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> WOW!   Go get your shovel, there's the end of the rainbow! Its with in
> your reach!!! ;-)   Beautiful.  Thanks for sharing.
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020, 03:41:17 AM EDT, 
> wrote:
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>
> Some days I just love where I live this is my front yard I took this pic
> 10min ago
>
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>
> Bill
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Re: Question from the past.

[Tom Dotta]

Tom again The above picture (from Bill?) with the device mounted on a
compound cross slide is the improved prototype I mentioned,
you can see the brown rosette with pumping action mounted up against the
indexing plate. I believe the two smaller photos are the unit actually
developed by the same guys for Nova.More as I find itcheers   Tom

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 11:12 AM Tom Dotta  wrote:

> HI Curt
> I might be your man and thanks for the 'gentleman' designation.The
> co-designer of the attachment is indeed a Kiwi whose name escapes me at the
> moment(as do a lot of other things)
> I have a lot of photos of an improved version he and his partner developed
> and demonstrated at a Symposium at Kaipoi so. island NZ.  Our own Bonnie
> Klein demonstrated at the same event.
> I'll search my files for the pictures and the name and get back to you. `
>  A real quick look just now did not bring desired result . I'll try again
> later as time allows.
> Cheers Tom Dotta
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 7:38 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone.
>> I have asked this before, but I can not find the correct address.
>>
>> Years back, I was looking a the NOVA OT attachment, (no longer made.) One
>> of our group,
>> said that they knew the man who designed the OT of NOVA, in New Zealand
>> (if my memory serves me correctly.)
>>
>> I got a hold if this gentleman,   yrs ago.  since then, I lost most of my
>> files for my contacts off my computer.  I still have a few pix. but the
>> address  and contact name has been lost.
>>
>> Anyone remember or know this Gentleman I refer to ? I would very much
>> like to contact him again if possible.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> C.A.G.
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Re: Question from the past.

[Tom Dotta]

HI Curt
I might be your man and thanks for the 'gentleman' designation.The
co-designer of the attachment is indeed a Kiwi whose name escapes me at the
moment(as do a lot of other things)
I have a lot of photos of an improved version he and his partner developed
and demonstrated at a Symposium at Kaipoi so. island NZ.  Our own Bonnie
Klein demonstrated at the same event.
I'll search my files for the pictures and the name and get back to you. `
 A real quick look just now did not bring desired result . I'll try again
later as time allows.
Cheers Tom Dotta

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 7:38 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello Everyone.
> I have asked this before, but I can not find the correct address.
>
> Years back, I was looking a the NOVA OT attachment, (no longer made.) One
> of our group,
> said that they knew the man who designed the OT of NOVA, in New Zealand
> (if my memory serves me correctly.)
>
> I got a hold if this gentleman,   yrs ago.  since then, I lost most of my
> files for my contacts off my computer.  I still have a few pix. but the
> address  and contact name has been lost.
>
> Anyone remember or know this Gentleman I refer to ? I would very much like
> to contact him again if possible.
>
> Thank you.
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Fw: Introducing MY Legacy 2020

[Tom Dotta]

I'm sure the group would appreciate a few pictures to admire.   Cheers
Tom D

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 6:41 AM Ccm Ccm  wrote:

> Curt, very impressive many possibilities with your setup
>
> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 4:11 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello everyone.
>> I was hoping to have my New machine up and running before the New Year.
>>
>> What I have done is Made my Legacy into a MORE modern, Ornamental milling
>> machine, that should allow me to do things that I have not been able to do
>> in the past.
>> I used linear rail (16 & 20mm fully supported.) for all my axis, X.Y and
>> Z.
>> I  re-made my Z axis, so I can also do face plate work and threading
>> projects,
>> Very much like what Bill did on his wooden bolt and nut project.
>> I still have some more work to do on it, but so far My Legacy has passed
>> every test that I have thrown at it so far.
>> If you want to know more, I took pictures at every step of this project.
>> Please let me know what you think?
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
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Re: spiral balls

[Tom Dotta]

Hi BillI see you could  make some pretty cool finials.   I hope this
does not upset anyone but # 0086 looks like a caricature of Margaret
Thatcher to me.
I do hope you post some apparatus info to share with the groupe.

CheersTom Dotta

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:50 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Good morning Bill,
>
> Nice work Bill those look pretty fun to make.
> Thanks for sharing those. Did you say you had a special jig to do those?
> I've turned balls on a lathe but being so new to the LOM world
> yet I am all about learning what ever I can?
> Scrolling is one of my passions too though with being out in the shop
> 10-12 hours a day the time to scroll is minimal. :(
> I'm guessing you get about the only Scrolling Magazine out there
> "ScrollSaw WoodWorking".  What is the Forum you belong too? I'd like to
> check that out too.
> Look forward to hearing back from you.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 12:11 AM  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Missed a couple
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
>> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>> *Sent:* Monday, 22 July 2019 3:01 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* FW: spiral balls
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
>> *Sent:* Monday, 22 July 2019 2:54 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* spiral balls
>>
>>
>>
>> I was posting my work to another group the other day (a scroll saw group
>> my other passion)
>>
>> And I came across these pics of spiral balls I was doing when I made my
>> legacy ball making attachment
>>
>> I thought I would repost if any one is interested
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
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Re: Some more Bone turning on the Legacy

[Tom Dotta]

Hey Curt

A video you might likeBonnie Kline turning bone 2018 OTI
Symposium Cheers   Tom D

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:13 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thank you Tim.
>
> Bone was used a lot, a few hundred of years ago. But not so much since
> then,  I've been wanting to work with ivory, but Its not easy to find any
> more, Killing Elephants and or Wrasses for there ivory is taboo today, So
> finding a Mammoth tusk is to pricey for me.  bone seems to be a good 
> substitute.
> AND THE Legacy cuts the stuff like a DREAM!
> The Photos that I showed today were Not sanded or polished, that is the
> look of the cutter on the bone just off the Legacy..
>
> Now I need to find an easier way of processing it for our use... What I'm
> doing works pretty good, but it is work to make the bone usable,  I spent
> all last winter trying to find an easier way.  This is the best that I have
> found so far.   Perhaps someone in our group will come up with a better way
> of working the bone? (that's my hope at least.) ;-)
>
> I do like the final look of the bone.  It is a very good bet that I will
> be working with this more in the future.
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
> On Saturday, July 6, 2019, 08:37:50 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Pretty creative Curtis. Who would have thought turning cow bones! wow.
> Nice job and keep up the great work.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 7:05 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone.
>
> I made two bone handle today.  I came up with a neat process that Greatly
> speeds up the time it takes to work with bone.
>
> First the cutter.  I used a flat bottomed router bit (with a bearing) ,
> I removed the bearing, and then using the hole for the screw I drilled out
> the center, I used a 17/64" drill bit. (just under 1/4") then drilled and
> taped the router bit for a set screw to hold the drill bit in the hole. ( I
> could have stopped there. but I added on more detail ) I drilled out a
> diamond hole saw bit so the router  bit would fit into the hole saw. then
> wielded the two together. The main reason for the hole saw was for a depth
> gauge for my cutter.  before wielding the bit, I placed a nickel under the
> cutter giving me my depth of cut.
>
> Now how  to use.  first I cut the bone in half. then flatten it as much as
> I can.  (I use a 12" circle sander disk to sand down the bone.) Once
> smi-flat I then drill the bone with the cutter,  The hole is centered. the
> bit only cuts down to the flats of the router bit. (where there is no
> carbide.)  after drilling all my holes, I flip the bone over and re-peat
> the process. this leaves me with a bone disk that only need little sanding
> to make flat.
> The glue up is easy. 2 part epoxy ,5 min. glue is what I use.   (I ware
> rubber gloves.) after mixing the glue, I then dip the disk into the glue
> and then stack the bone to make a blank for turning.
>
> Now the Legacy stuff !
>
> I  used the spindle motor drive to round the turning. Its not needed it
> only speeds up the process. .
>
> NOTE the Legacy turns bone like a champ, light cuts, and slow feed gives
> you a very nice finish.
>
> Using this Bone cutter made it possible to cut 5 bone into enough disks to
> make two spindle.
>
> Side Note.
> the bone is Cow bone, Dog chooses  on sale at My grocery store/ pet supply
> store/ or hardware store.  I buy the white 5" bone with out the bone
> marrow. ( $3.00 each)  The Large bones are much bigger but not all bones
> are the same thickness. the smaller bones I can see the wall thickness, I
> find I get better disks form smaller bones then I do with larger ones. (one
> more note.  some bones have a different color when finished. something to
> think about if the color is important.)
>
> Any question or comments are as always welcome.
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Seeking any referral's to relocate a 1000xl steely

[Tom Dotta]

Are you looking for one or offering one?   Tom D

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:50 AM 4 Jim Carpenter 
wrote:

> It is a pretty basic, low use machine being offered to new enthusiast.
> Help appreciated.
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Re: How do I smooth out the cut?

[Tom Dotta]

Hey Bill Thanks for the rail tip.  I'll bet a lot of guys as well as
myself will be checking their rail orientation today.  CheersTom D

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 5:57 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I am glad that I could help.  ;-)
>
> I too started with wood turning.  Over the years ,I find people think I
> joking when I say the hardest part of turning a spindle is to make
> something straight and round. beads and coves are the easy part.  (the
> Legacy makes my short comings much easier. ) ;-). a round dowel is hard to
> do free hand.
>
> One of my favorite TV shows was MASH. In one. Frank and "Hot Lips" were
> talking to a Korean  wood carver.  He said this is my master piece. Frank
> said it looks like a 2"x 4". The Korean said Thank you, it was round this
> morning.. ;-)
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, January 27, 2019, 5:40:47 PM EST, Chris Smith <
> smithin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Curt, that is really helpful.  As a turner I understand it completely.
> Haven't used a router much so didn't know about the direction.
> Thanks!!
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 1:56 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello again Chris.
>
> One more note, along the router rotation, when cutting and you need a
> clean cut edge, with no tare-out.
>
> When cutting from the Head-stock side of your legacy, you cut form the
> back side to the center line, When cutting form the tail-stock end, you
> need to cut form the front side the center.
> I hope this is not confusing? try it. If you cut form the back side of the
> spindle, the starting cut will be clean, but when  you get the end (tail
> stock) the router will lift up the wood and tare out the grain making a
> very bad edge.   So when I need a clean edge on the ends of my spindles, I
> make sure that the cuts are made in the correct direction, to get the best
> looking edge.
> Sorta like when cutting on the lathe, if you cut up hill the wood can tare
> out.  the router action is very much the same way/thing.
>
> I hope this helps?
>
> Have a good day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 11:53:53 PM EST, Chris Smith <
> smithin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Curt, that is really helpful!
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 6:49 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com wrote:
>
> Using the gears will always leave a small blemish/ridge on your turnings.
> the speed of travel with the gears is to slow (rpm of the wood turning,to
> the carriage movement.)
> You can always sand (as Mike suggested.) or speed up the rpm of the wood
> turning.(or the opposite, slow down the carriages movement.)
> I can think of a number of different ways to do this.   The RPM of the
> wood needs to be speed up some. appx. 80-100 rpm gives you a very nice
> finish.
>
> Try this ..  turn the wood with the hand crank, and use the drive motor to
> move the carriage. 80 rpm is pretty slow, what you want is 2-3 rotations
> per movement of the router. I think you will find a big difference in cut
> quality.
>
> At one time I had suggested to mount a bike chain to the indexing plate to
> control the spindle's rotation.(human power,)( better to peddle then crank
> by hand !.)  today I use a second motor to turn my spindles when roughing
> or turning .
>
> The info on Climb milling vs undercutting is a good topic that also needs
> to be understood when playing with this type of turning.[image: Inline
> image]
> .
> talk to you more, latter.
>
> C.A.G.
> On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 9:26:21 PM EST, Chris Smith <
> smithin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> To answer C.A.G. I am using the motor to turn the gears.
>
> Think I got it 99% fixed.
>
> Took out the router, cleaned up everything, put it back together and made
> sure everything was level.  Next I tightened the tailstock a little. Played
> around with the Y axis until you can't see the ridges and can feel just the
> slightest ridge that I should be able to sand out. Yeah!
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 6:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com wrote:
>
> Hello Chris.
> are you using the gears to drive the carriage/ router? or are you turning
> free hand? (hand cranking.)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 1:19:56 PM EST, Chris Smith <
> smithin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm a new owner of the Legacy 1000EX and have been practicing on some dry
> 2x2 Ash, turning it down for a shovel handle.  I can get the blank round
> but still have small ridges.  I've followed the instructions to adjust the
> Y axis forward or back which improves it somewhat, but doesn't eliminate
> the ridges. Am I doing something wrong or will I need to sand them out?
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Re: not a LOM question

[Tom Dotta]

Dow, dirty and CHEEP Modify a spade bit.   quality of mod equals
quality of hole  CheersTom D

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 9:10 AM MWF  wrote:

> I feel the tool that Bill provided a link to is THE solution (or a tool
> similar to it).  The cutter you have here (pictured below) has too much of
> a taper - in my opinion.  You only want a slight/gradual taper - which
> should match the slight taper that many candles have at their base.  Before
> boring holes in "good/expensive" wood, I'd cut practice holes in pine and
> check the "fit" of the candles she intends to use in them.
>
> The tool Bill presented allows a fair bit of adjustments - to customize
> the taper to that found on your candles.
> Great find, Bill.  Thanks.  Now, I wonder where we can source a tool like
> that here in the former Colonies.
>
> I wish all of ya'll a Safe, Healthy, Happy and PROSPEROUS New Year!
>
> Mac
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> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Waters
> Sent: Jan 7, 2019 10:19 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: not a LOM question
>
> Plug cutters drill conic holes.  A plug cutter would leave a jagged
> bottom.  The bits that Bill and Okla Mike showed have pointed tips, so
> would leave a conic bottom.  Your candle holder mortises have flat
> bottoms.  Maybe a conic shaped router/shaper bit could do this?
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 9:11 AM Bill Bulkeley 
> wrote:
>
>> With something similar to this i suspect [image: Image result for
>> tapered drill]
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *MAX LATHAM
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 8 January 2019 1:54 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* not a LOM question
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy New Year all you wood shredders!
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a question not LOM related. While shopping, my better half found a
>> candle holder that would hold numerous candles(3). The holes are conical
>> shaped and the sides are slanted to the base, paralleling the holes.
>>
>> Does any body know how those tapered holes were bored. She's after me to
>> make a few for gifts!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> max
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> *Franklin was right* - when the "Takers" outnumber the "Makers" - the
> Republic is DOOMED!
>
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Re: ornamental milling

[Tom Dotta]

Three cheers for some exemplary work !!!Tom D

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 7:16 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> *Awesome work!*
>
> Any tricks used to make those split turnings? How many flutes are they?
> and what kind of burl is that ?
> Can we see a close up on those ball ends on your turnings ? to me it looks
> like buttons?
>
> Very Nice work...
>
> C.A.G.
> On Wednesday, December 19, 2018, 9:45:17 AM EST, Ccm Ccm <
> ccmdesi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Everyone, here are a couple of pictures of some of my recent
> milling projects. this is one of a matching set of bow front vanities it's
> a combination of walnut and walnut burl. i turned all the parts on the
> lathe
> then did all the reeding and buttons on the legacy mill
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Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Joe Curt Tim & Bill

Your mention of ornamental machines and high costs, which are surely there
for the best of the best which are so drop dead gorgeous and rare they
justify the price if only to admire. I think of them as works of art surely
on a par with some of the old masters which no one expects to do anything
but be beautiful.
I know from reading posts for several years that any of you guys are more
than capable of making a functional ornamental lathe so let me give you the
name of an ornamental turner who has a mission of bringing the satisfaction
of ornamental work to the less than wealthy woodturner.  I believe he not
only has plans available but possibly some kits mostly made from low cost
MDF that actually produce quality work. The gentleman is Jon Magill and his
lathe design is generally known as the MDF Rose Engine.
Some names of outstanding makers past and present makers  Holtzapffel,
Bower, Goyen, Evans, Made, Lindow, Newton

Hope this helps  Cheers  Tom Dotta

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 6:36 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello Joe.
> Awesome video. the Made lathe is most likely what you saw,
> https://madelathe.com/  This the lathe for the Kings! (Way above my price
> range!)
> https://lindowmachineworks.com/ Makes a cheaper model. (Not cheap, but
> cheaper then the Made lathe.)
>
> NEAT STUFF !
>  I am glad you are well.
> talk to your latter.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018, 1:24:52 PM EST, 'joe biunno' via Legacy
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>
>
> been playing on the computer today, researching the rose engine lathe...
> updating myself on the one company(it seems!) that makes a rose engine
> lathe... and nearly fell over when I saw the price(and not sure if it is an
> updated price!)… $83,500 ! … and you could easily spend another $50,000
> on accessories … WOW!... no doubt, it is an incredible piece of
> equipment and superbly made... like a customer once said to me after I gave
> them an estimate, "but the price!"... LOL... but then it occurred to me,
> will computer driven equipment make it obsolete?... what about 3D
> printers?, that are getting more sophisticated every day as well as more
> affordable to the general public... can either do what the rose engine
> lathe can do?... about the only thing I can think of, that a Legacy would
> have an advantage over any of those three methods(rose lathe, computer
> carving or 3D printing) is it's large capacity ability(and
> affordability!)... would love to find the time to explore a "rocking" type
> motion for the Legacy headstock and tailstock(in unison, of course)… but
> how to have a rocking motion and still have it connected to the gear
> train(and thus, the lead screw), is the dilemma... oh well, just some
> random thoughts today... hope everyone is doing well... been following the
> posts but just a bit hectic the past nine months or so... joe b.
>
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Re: The extension is working

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Tracy

Excuse the Kiwi terminology I should have realized 'bits' here are cutting
bits and in NZ bits often means ;'part of as in 'bits and pieces'.
What I was really asking is ' are the cnc motors and controls part of a
Legacy upgrade' or your own 'home brew' design?  Either way the result
speaks for itself.

CheersTom D

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 12:02 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello Tracy
>
> when cutting green wood, you are never going to get the clean look you are
> looking for.
> What I suggest is two different ideas.
> One is to cut and let dry. and then go back and do a clean up pass once
> dried.
>
> #2 is use a shellac sealer (It dries fast) once sealed lightly sand to get
> rid of the fuzzes.
>
> When working with Green wood, I like to displace the water IN THE WOOD
> with Oil when ever possible.
>
> When working with my Mook Jongs. (wooden man dummy's, used in Wing Chun.
> the average sized log is 9" dia. and 6' tall.)
> I put the log in a basen, and the oil the wood, I make a dish on the top
> of the log. and then pore oil into the dish. then I oil the log form top to
> bottom.
>
> I keep the cup on the top of the wood full, until the oil gets to the
> bottom for the log.
>
> Oil dose not evaporate quickly, so the wood drys out slower, I do not get
> a lot of cracking in my dummy body's when they dry.
>
> Ive also used PEG . basically the same way in the past. but I like the oil
> concept better.
>
> My oil mixture is Boiled lean seed oil, and turpentine ( 2-1 ratio,) I
> also use tung oil with the same results.
>
> I wish you luck.
> Please keep us informed on your project.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, September 16, 2018, 2:12:39 PM EDT, Tracy Smith <
> trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> The wood is Douglas Fir. My preference would have been redwood but I could
> not get any locally.  Most of the project work I've done on a 1500 EXL.
> Recently I acquired a 1200 with the CNC upgrade.  I've been using it for
> the last month and used it for these larger posts.  All of my work has been
> using the Magnate bits.  The rounding uses the 1 1/4 flat bit.  The taper
> uses a 1 1/2" 90degree V-Grooving bit.  I had to run it twice at two
> different depths and locations do the complete taper.  I used a 3" Classic
> Spiral for the tops and bottom of each section and finally used a 1" Core
> Box bit at 3/8" deep with 7 flutes.
>
> The rounding feels like it takes forever.  The only real problem I have is
> the wood seems to be a bit green so the cut is not as clean and I would
> like.  Any suggestions besides letting it dry would be appreciated.
>
> Tracy
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 6:06 AM Bill Bulkeley 
> wrote:
>
> Nice work so far did you mill it manually or by program that is an early
> cnc mill isn’t it? What is the wood?
>
>
>
> And what router bits did you use? Fun to do the larger work  I know Curt’s
> dream is to make a spiral power pole one day
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
> *Sent:* Sunday, 16 September 2018 2:25 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
> *Subject:* The extension is working
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> Today I was determined to extend the 1200.  The posts for my project are
> 90 inches.  I had two 20" pieces or aluminum rail that ended up being the
> perfect length.  The first picture shows the simple extension.  I put a
> brace under the end to keep it level.  The second picture shows the post
> fitting :).  When I got to the second post, I nearly had a major problem as
> the weight of the post and the soft wood meant the clamp on the end started
> to move through the wood as it turned.  So I cut a piece of 3/4 inch
> plywood to size, screwed it on the end and placed a center hold on that -
> worked perfect with no slippage. The last picture shows the completed
> post.  Much of the day was spent setting up and testing but I was able to
> get two of these done today.  6 more posts to go.
>
>
>
> The wood is a bit wet so some of the areas looked a bit frayed so I'll
> have more sanding to do than I hoped but the major work is done.
>
>
>
> Tracy
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Re: RE: The extension is working

[Tom Dotta]

Good workGoal met and achieved.   Are the CNC bits Legacy or home
brew?? Cheers   Tom D

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 6:40 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Nice work Tracy!
>
> Bill The Goal is to make a Barley twisted Telephone pole. ;-)  ( "spiral
> power pole"??? HUM? I guess its the same thing.)
>
> Have a GREAT DAY.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, September 16, 2018, 8:06:36 AM EDT, Bill Bulkeley <
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Nice work so far did you mill it manually or by program that is an early
> cnc mill isn’t it? What is the wood?
>
>
>
> And what router bits did you use? Fun to do the larger work  I know Curt’s
> dream is to make a spiral power pole one day
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
> *Sent:* Sunday, 16 September 2018 2:25 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
> *Subject:* The extension is working
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> Today I was determined to extend the 1200.  The posts for my project are
> 90 inches.  I had two 20" pieces or aluminum rail that ended up being the
> perfect length.  The first picture shows the simple extension.  I put a
> brace under the end to keep it level.  The second picture shows the post
> fitting :).  When I got to the second post, I nearly had a major problem as
> the weight of the post and the soft wood meant the clamp on the end started
> to move through the wood as it turned.  So I cut a piece of 3/4 inch
> plywood to size, screwed it on the end and placed a center hold on that -
> worked perfect with no slippage. The last picture shows the completed
> post.  Much of the day was spent setting up and testing but I was able to
> get two of these done today.  6 more posts to go.
>
>
>
> The wood is a bit wet so some of the areas looked a bit frayed so I'll
> have more sanding to do than I hoped but the major work is done.
>
>
>
> Tracy
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Re: today's project.

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Curt   Kudus for your continual experimentation. I particularly like the
upper right in the fourth photo, the spiral design.  I wonder if you have a
rotary table and could do a similar design on the inside of the bowl?
It might  be more visible and show off your fine craftsmanship better.

CheersTom Dotta

On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 2:12 AM, Bawdsey64 <rhp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mac,
>
> Currently we speak the Queen's English. Now this will change when Her
> Majesty passes on and Charles becomes King Charles the Third, or if he dies
> before Her Majesty, then we get King William​ the Fifth.
>
> How can someone sell four bowls for $5.00, seems to me that they were made
> off shore in a very low cost economy?
>
> Cheers from a very sunny UK.
>
> Roger
>
> PS The Salvation Army is one of the few charities that I actually support.
>
> ​
>
>
> ​
> From: MWF
> Received: 06/05/2018 01:58:56 +01:00
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Hello Curtis,
>
> Thanks for sharing.  I am happy to see someone else patronizes their local
> Salvation Army Family Store.  It has become a "recommended place to shop"
> for us.  They often have some "Real Deals" (sometime brand new - or almost
> so) - as you have discovered - and very reasonably priced!
>
> I think you idea to buy that set of bowls is BRILLIANT! (For those that
> speak the "King's English" - that means a very smart/intelligent decision.)
>
> Have a Wonderful weekend.
>
> Mac
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Sent: May 5, 2018 8:43 PM
> To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills
>
> Subject: today's project.
>
> Hello Everyone here is today's project, I use the soft touch approach to
> mount the bowls on to the Legacy.
>
> I am always suggesting to PLAY as much as you can, and to use Cheap wood.
> Well today I went out to the Salvation Army store and bought  5 bowls for
> $4.00.
>
> So since I did not spend a lot of money, or time making these, I was able
> to do some things that I normally would not have done otherwise.
> I am hoping the pictures will describe all the details, But if you/anyone
> has any questions, Please ask.
>
> C.A.G.
>
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Re: Post from Russia

[Tom Dotta]

HI All
Most impressively clean cut, no burning, even though the wood looks full of
resin. Do you think the cutter has a greater angle of relief than ours?
Cheers  Tom Dotta

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:33 AM, Richard Ellis <rchrd.ell...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Tim
> I am not too sure how to hold such objects--- other than on the Revo's
> table, rotary or the normal flat one. A cheaper cutter would suffice me
> thinks!!??
>
> On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:54:59 AM UTC, Tim wrote:
>>
>> I like his method of a follower.  If I was doing this on the legacy I
>> would turn the piece on it's side and use a side cutting bit with a
>> bearing.  Simple stuff and you don't have to modify anything.
>>
>> Tim
>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 1:34 AM, Richard Ellis <rchrd@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all thought this may be of interest to some So have re:posted it.
>>> Thanks Curt ---some possibilities there
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Curt George
>>> 11/12/17
>>> Well not exactly, but his set up and jigs could be used on the Legacy...
>>> I THINK OF IT AS A GOOD LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
>>> Enjoy the video.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-zjc5qYFyQ
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
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Re: the legacy as a high tech ornamental lathe...the next level?

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Joe B
Sterve White is a past president of the Ornamental Turners of America, a
professional tool & die maker an endless experimenter with new ideas and a
tireless booster of Ornamental Turning. Together with David Lindow also a
past president he makes and sells several highly accurate machines for the
centuries old craft of Ornamental turning.
 Peter the Great of Russia had 19 different machines in the 1700's.
On making or buying a rose machine you might check out Jon Magill who has
designned a MDF machine that can be built for about $200 or if $'s are no
concern you can buy a brand new absolutely beautiful modern Rose Engine
(look up MADE LATHE) starting at about 85K$. Nearly all Holtzzaffel lathes
are antiques as the last of 2400 built was made in 1924 or thereabouts.
Highly sought after and most often highly priced. Since most practioners of
the art are no longer chiokldren they do come on the market from time to
time.
cheers    Tom Dotta

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:57 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I am starting a dedicated topic to this subject because this has the
> potential to get very interesting as well as challenging, but it was
> inspired by curt's find of a video on you tube of the rose engine lathe...
> that video is one of a series of videos, dedicated to the rose engine
> lathe... and from my perspective, a rose lathe is a high end ornamental
> lathe but working under very close tolerances... certainly the tolerances
> are greater than what we would work with when working with different wood
> species... but it is my understanding that the rose lathe was used quite
> often in the watch industry, thus the need for close tolerances...getting
> back to the video, it shows a pumping action of the headstock on the "Y"
> axis, which is typical on a rose lathe, as well as a pumping action on the
> "X" axis... the person who made the videos, steve white, is obviously very
> much into doing mods on his lathes...and what he has come up with is
> certainly very interesting, complex and just "off the charts", as the
> saying goes...with variations and adjustments that would seem endless...
> whether this type of pumping movement could be incorporated into a legacy
> machine or not, is an interesting prospect... could it be done on a legacy
> within the tolerances necessary to make it workable on a wooden
> piece?...again, not sure... but worth a discussion here and possible
> consideration... and certainly impressive is the "wave" set up that a
> number of members to this group have set up on their legacy... but this
> pumping action puts things on an entirely different level...and then comes
> the question, could it be done somewhat cost effective?... or is it better
> to try to find a rose engine lathe?...and what would that cost!... and how
> far does anyone want to take their legacy to try to achieve "holtzapffel"
> status?, if that is even possible...but even a holtzapffel did not have a
> pumping action in the headstock, I believe(I might have to take a mulligan
> on that statement!...LOL!)... anyway, if you are into this topic, I suggest
> you look at steve white's series of videos(there seems to be at least 30
> videos!) on the mods he did to his rose lathe...very interesting
> videos...joe b.
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Re: Night stands

[Tom Dotta]

a complicated but clean design   goodonya!   cheers   Tom

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 8:43 PM, Love to turn in Oregon 
wrote:

> The corner pieces: I wasn’t sure of the best way to proceed at first.
> Rather than gluing to whole pieces to create the bland for the entire
> round, I glued a full and a half. Then glued a waste block on each end. It
> worked, probably could have done it your way for sure.
>
> Years ago a friend was taking out a black walnut and was going to cut it
> up for fire wood. I bought the entire tree and had it sawn and kiln dried.
> Wound up with 800 bf. love to just look at it up in my loft. My wife
> doesn’t like the look of the dark wood, so I made this out of Cherry.
>
> I acquired a cnc about year and half ago and wanted to build something
> that would incorporate bot the cnc and the Legacy. Both the top and the
> base for the top, cut on the cnc. They have a little bump out on the
> corners. The cnc was quite beneficial.
>
> I will have to post some more photo’s when it is complete. I also need to
> think how I might incorporate these design elements into a dresser.
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Re: Re Hurricane Harvey

[Tom Dotta]

Hats off to the Cajun Navy  and all Firefighters  Dam tough Dam good
people   Cheers  Tom

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:37 PM,  wrote:

> N.W. of Houston about 20 miles. Live on higher ground. Was not able to get
> out of subdivision for 2 days. No water in house. Retired professional
> firefighter. Had to work during past hurricanes  Ike, and  Alicia. Know
> what all the first responders were going through. If we're not for all the
> regular citizens ( such as the Cajun Navy) with their boats, there would
> have been many deaths. Thank God for regular brave Americans. No, let me
> rephrase that. Thank God for all the fearless, brave and selflessness  of
> the American citizens who volunteered during and after the terrible floods
> of Harvey. Maybe not PC. Have a very Merry Christmas. Steve.
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Re: A response from Andy Anderson Of Legacy Regarding Support.

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Tim et al

I'm not a very active participant or user though I do have three mills. An
old steel rail machine bought from a cabinet shop, a 900 bought from Legacy
and a 1200 bought from a private individual. As Tim says above if Legacy is
monitoring the group it would seem little more effort (expense) to make a
list of what is available for purchase together with whom to contact there
to make the purchase. Licensing a reliable and willing person to make other
replacement parts seems reasonable. Though personally disappointed in what
has been represented as Legacy's position re the manual machines it seems
just a bit of give on both sides could resolve the issues to the benefit of
all. I'm sure neither side truly wants the other to fail.

CheersTom Dotta

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> Russ, there's no need to forward your message as the groups messages are
> being monitored by Legacy.
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> -Tim
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Re: Legacy split nut wear

[Tom Dotta]

A very elegant solution.  Way beyond my capability,  Pure beauty.

Cheers  to jpreston  Tom Dotta

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:49 AM, <jpres...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

> The delrin split nuts wear because:
>
> 1.  There is excessive movement of the acme rod; it is unsupported along
> it's length and free to wobble when force is applied.
> 2.  There is excessive and variable resistance to movement of sled that
> carries the Z-axis/router.
> 3.  The sled is also free to shift at an angle when force is applied which
> also shifts the delrin split nut relative to the acme threaded rod.
> 4.  The split nut was poorly supported and free to shift at an angle when
> excessive force is applied, which caused rapid wear of the delrin nut.
>
> I fixed these issues by:
>
> 1.  Mounting all three axis of the legacy on linear bearings so that they
> move freely, with minimal resistance and do not shift or angle when force
> is applied.
> 2.  I machined a large sled apron, similar to the apron of a metal working
> lathe that supports the acme threaded lead screw several inches on each
> side of the split nut.
> 3.  The split nut is rigidly supported inside the sled apron so that it
> cannot shift when force is applied.
>
> The end result was a mill that has great precision and can machine
> multiple duplicate parts with great precision. My split nut is original and
> has essentially zero visible wear.
>
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Re: How would you make this?

[Tom Dotta]

Question? and I don't know the answer.  Could it be turned after doing the
'puzzle' cuts in the square and stay together just from the tailstock
pressure while turning round?   Tom D

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) <
legacym...@iglide.net> wrote:

> After the turning is done, you make the first cut with a scroll saw or a
> band saw.  Turn it 90º and make the second cut, remove that piece and turn
> 90º again and repeat all the way down to the last cut at the bottom.  Good
> find
>
> Mike OK
>
> On 7/4/2017 7:34 PM, CURTIS GEORGE wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone
> I found this at a garage sale, $5.00 is what I paid for it. ( I think it
> was a good deal?) But the bigger question IS?
>
> *How can I make something like this?* If I turn a bottle first?  how do
> you hold the wood for the cuts?
> If I cut the wood square first. how do you hold it together while
> turning???
>
> I am assuming that some kind of paper template will be needed before the
> cuts can be made. and after each cut the work piece must be turned to make
> the second cut...
>
>
> What I would like to do, is make something like this, but not as fancy,
> and make it into a puzzle box, and put a small prize inside the box.
> I have made square puzzle boxes in the past, but not one that was/is
> round...
>
> Any and All ideas are welcome.
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Routers

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Richard & Curtis

Two things I'd like to hear more about. ER20 system and diamond hole saws
for use on a router??

Cheers   Tom D

On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 7:43 AM, CURTIS GEORGE 
wrote:

> Hello and Good morning Everyone.
> I have the Xtreme Xtension chuck on my router, I do like it, But having
> said that have been looking at the muscle chuck for a while and DO plan to
> buy one.
> Here is there web site. http://www.musclechuck.com/   I have switched
> form my PC to a Craftsman router for my Legacy, I was told that the Bosh
> (#4) chuck would work for me, so I plan to buy one soon.
> I agree with Richard using the old router col let type of chucks are a
> Pain!
>
> As far as Router bits go. Magnate is a very good company, but I use what
> ever I can get my hands on, metal working end mills (both carbide and
> H,S,S.) are also part of my arsenal of tools that I use with my Legacy.
> (NOTE) Two flute end mills work the best on wood, ones made to cut Alum.
> are what I look for the most.  The end mills that have more flutes tend to
> bog up with wood chips, so stay clear of those for the main stay, But end
> mills are cheaper to buy and higher quality for the most part. but the
> section of profiles is limited compared with router bits.
> but for the small/detail jobs, I use what ever I can find, HSS (cheep)
> bits can do well for small jobs, so keep your eyes open, you just may find
> something that works for you even if its not made to work with a router...
> One more example are my diamond hole saws, They work very well for detail
> work, they are much safer to use then an Fly cutter would be on a router.
> but again (I must stress ) they are ONLY for detail work,
>
> Gota run now.
> Have a good weekend everyone.
> C.A.G.
>
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> *From: *"Bawdsey64" 
> *To: *"Bill Bulkeley" , "Mike Pung" <
> Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent: *Saturday, June 10, 2017 10:02:13 AM
> *Subject: *RE: Routers
>
>
> ​A word of warning DO NOT PUT AN XTREME XTENSION IN A MUSCLE CHUCK, that
> can be lethal and they are not meant to be used together.
>
>
> Of the two products I prefer the Xtreme Xtension but that is because Bob
> at Router Technologies built it originally for me after the guy at Muscle
> Chuck or what ever his company was called at that time would only build his
> product for Porter Cable! Bob even sent him his design for the Xtreme
> Xtension but he did not want to know so Bob went ahead and built it.
>
>
> If you are in the UK or Europe then both products are available from
> www.woodworkersworkshop.co.uk and by the way I am not involved with that
> company in any way these days.
> Cheers
>
> Roger
>
>
> Sent from TouchMail for Windows 10 
>
> ​
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Bulkeley
> *Received:* 10/06/2017 14:52:10 +01:00
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>
> I use nothing but triton routers on my mills, router table and free hand I
> love them.
>
> They are all fitted either with the quick change musclechuck or the xtream
> xtension depending on the reach I need.
>
> Rather than change chucks on one router I change the whole router for
> another, I have several fitted with different quick change chucks.
>
> The triton routers are the only routers here that have fast removal and
> replace mounting from machine to machine, one of the reasons i like them so
> much.
>
> loosen 2 wing nut like screws slide a little and it’s off  done. I can
> change routers in about 10 seconds.
>
> When I have it on the legacy I have  one or both of the routers plastic
> shields removed so I can get easily to the router bit and also the legacy T
> ball hex key fits all the quick change chucks so changing bits is easy and
> all the cutting takes place lower down so the shields don’t do much anyway
> in this case.
>
> When I started I bought this set first https://www.magnate.net/
> ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RBPROFESSIONAL
>
> Then kept adding and adding bits mostly from magnate others from ebay or
> were ever i saw bits i think i could use now i have that many it’s
> ridiculous I was a bit a holic for a while J
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Ellis
> *Sent:* Saturday, 10 June 2017 4:40 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
> *Subject:* Routers
>
>
>
> Wondering what sort of routers do most of you use. And did you buy sets of
> cutters or buy them individually ???
>
> I have a Triton TRA 001 on my Woodchuck and a Dewalt 625 E on my Revo.
>
> Bill I always find it a pain to change cutters on the Triton need
> three hands, although it is easy to do in a vertical position in the router
> table.
>
> On the Legacy's I usually have something under the cutter to save it from
> falling on the floor. Sometimes I wedge the lock button in with a length of
> wood.
>
> Be nice 

Re: Electricity Supply

[Tom Dotta]

HIRichard & Curtis

Curtis a little different not cut down at the plug (receptacle) but
rather two 110Volt legs into the main house electrical panel. From there
usually through a circuit breaker (or fuses) one leg continues on to each
110v circuit while both incoming 110v legs are fed to each 220v circuit.
RichardMy Powermatic 20/36 plugs into a normal 220V single phase
(2-110v legs)  circuit but the power goes thru an inverter? on the lathe
that converts it into 3 phase power which allows dial an rpm as well as a
toggle switch to reverse motor direction. This is all standard stock for
this machine here in the US.. Small capacity phase inverters are available
here in the US quite cheaply $100-300.
For larger machines in my home shop that require 3phase power I use a
rotary phase converter which through a process I do not understand,
utilizing a box full of electronic gadgets runs a 7.5 hp 3 phase electric
motor that then outputs a 3 phase current that allows several machines to
run simultaneously. Pretty silly in a one man hobby shop, but heytoys
are important!

Cheers   Tom Dotta


As an asideI was fortunate  to live in beautiful New Zealand for a
while and there the electricity is very different.  240Volt 50 cycle is the
standard household power and power is on one wire (leg).   They still have
a neutral and a ground but basically electric motor items do not go back
and forth.

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 5:11 PM, CURTIS GEORGE <curtgeo...@wowway.com>
wrote:

> Hello Richard
> I am no electrical person. but I do believe that most of our homes in the
> US are wired for 220 volts and then cut down to 110 volts at the plug.
> The only invert er that I use to do make a 110 AC- 90 volt DC to control
> my Legacy carriage drive motor .
> I know that the industrial standards are much different then the home
> owners systems.
> Hopefully someone out there can give a better breakdown of the electrical
> systems, I only use what I need . ;-) I really dont know anymore then what
> I stated...
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
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> *To: *"Legacy Ornamental Mills" <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent: *Sunday, May 28, 2017 3:26:59 AM
> *Subject: *Electricity Supply
>
> HiAll
> Have been wondering as to what sort of Electricity supply you have in the
> U,S. Mainly because I use machines here that are on 415 Volts. I then use
> an inverter that changes the supply from the normal house supply to 240 to
> 415 and it then allows me to control the speed of the machine motors My
> Woodchuck is on that system when I want to drive the spindle
> without turning the crank handle
> Do any of you in the U.S use inverters  or something similar ,  to control
> the speed on lathes etc. etc.
>
> Richard
>
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Re: Rotary Table

[Tom Dotta]

HI Richard180 X 2   The beauty of simplicity   Tom  Dotta

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 5:18 AM, CURTIS GEORGE <curtgeo...@wowway.com>
wrote:

> Hello Richard
> I don't think the gear tooth count really means much, just as long as you
> know the count of the teeth, For most work the it isn't necessary, and for
> fine detail work, you can always use a calculator to find the degree  you
> want.
> I don't use my turn table all that often, but... when I need to make
> rosettes, knowing what the count is,  what is important, not the count
> itself. If you need to be exact, you can always use your drive gears and
> add or subtract for the gears, to get the number you need. (sorta like
> Mike's gear indexing, Video.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o
>  BY using a little math, you can get any degree you wish. )
>
> Richard, I like to use a quote a lot, about the artiest making the art...
> , Remember you make the rules when making the art, uniformity and
> consistency is what is important in my book. everything else is just
> details. ;-)
>
> Have a great day.
> C.A.G.
>
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> *From: *"Richard Ellis" <rchrd.ell...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"Legacy Ornamental Mills" <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 25, 2017 4:05:36 AM
> *Subject: *Rotary Table
>
> Hi All
> Sometime ago I made a Rotary Table for my Woodchuck, If you want a pic, I
> do think I posted some.before
> I think I made a mistake in using a 160 tooth gear wheel when I should
> have used a 180.Tooth That way one tooth would have been a 2 degree move.
> What do you think??
> However I think ( in my humble opinion ) that the locating rod through
> the center of my Table is  far better than pencil marking the table to
> center the blank, as is shown on the demo by Legacy site that Bill kindly
> placed on this site from his Drop Box,   Bowl Turning,   Thanks Bill
> Open to critical comments please
> Richard
>
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Re: Locals

[Tom Dotta]

Hey Max I've kind of had that thought but also respect the wishes and
privacy of our leaders. How about this, if you want to meet up with some
kindred souls why not post a note asking for those interested to contact
giving your email & home town.   What you think? Tom Dotta ted...@gmail.com

I was fortunate to live six half years in New Zealand and can vouch for the
beer
My concerned friends always reminded me to take my magnetic soled shoes so
I wouldn't fall up.

Also found that transformers work both up voltage and down voltage. The
50Hz only slows the RPM
However at least in New Zealand the 240V is all on one wire not 2 110V
wires.
My experience is low amperage only,  sewing machines and electronic
gadgets.Cheers   Tom

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Bill Bulkeley <bulke...@mmnet.com.au>
wrote:

> Interesting mac didn’t know the spiral one
>
>
>
> Here let me make it easyer
>
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *MWF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 January 2017 9:41 AM
>
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Locals
>
>
>
> Bill,
>
> Interesting "History lesson" you described below.  I just found this old
> email while searching for email from your personal email - vs The Groups.
>
> As I recall, there is a similar explanation as to which way spiral
> staircases "spiral".  The spiral direction is done that way in order for
> the "defender" (the one "up" the staircase) to be able to effectively wield
> his sword.  While the "attacker/aggressor" is at a disadvantage because his
> sword arm and "swing room" is restricted - unless they are left-handed.
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Bulkeley
> Sent: Feb 24, 2015 12:59 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Locals
>
>
> Yes 240V not sure of the cycles I have a 240v to 110v step down
> transformer which allows me to be able to use tools from the US when the
> shipping was cheaper and the dollar was closer to ours, it was cheaper to
> by from you guys than here and you can’t always get everything here.
>
> Now when I was a school many years ago I was taught driving on the left
> side of the road dates many hundreds of years back long before cars and
> started in Europe when men walked the roads and walked to the left to keep
> their right hand their sword hand to the middle of the road to defend from
> others coming towards you from the opposite direction because you didn’t
> know if they were friend or foe in those days. so it just progressed to
> horse then horse and cart then finally cars which by then the swords were
> gone but the habit of always keeping to the left stayed.
>
> As to why America changed this I don’t have a clue maybe they were just so
> pissed at England back in the independence days they just did it to despite
> them I don’t know..
>
> Well that’s my history lesson for today if I’m wrong I will have to go
> find my history teacher at whatever cemetery she is in and set her strait,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *MWF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 February 2015 10:38 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Locals
>
>
>
> Roger (and Bill & others),
> Of course I know that their motors run like ours do (other than a possible
> voltage and cycle difference).  I was just kidding with him.
>
> Bill:  Is "standard" electricity in a home 220v. @ 50 cycles/Hertz? (US is
> 120v. @ 60 cycles)
>
> I would one day love to travel Down Under and see both Australia and New
> Zealand.  As I "speak" - our daughter and her hubby are down there visiting
> friends from college.  Lucky them - since it is about 20° F. here in
> Virginia and 85° F. where they are in Australia.
>
> As for autos - perhaps they were "invented" in Europe - but I do have to
> wonder how "The Empire" managed to decide to drive on the opposite side of
> the road from the rest of the world. (And I guess the US Ed. System was
> remiss - because I don't remember ever having the "why that is" taught to
> us.)  Can/will you enlighten us?  At the risk of being off-topic; Tim may
> flag you!
>
> As for beer:  You won't find me defending the taste/quality of the
> mass-produced US beer (Bud, Millers, Coors, etc.).  We do have MANY GREAT
> microbreweries that produce some GREAT products

Re: Making a column base

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Mike

The whole project is quite professional and you are correct the gem for
most of us is the dry clamp friction spot. Is the inside circle just
bandsawn or is it  lathe finished? Either way the evident uniformity is a
demo of superior skills.  CheersTom Dotta

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) <
legacym...@iglide.net> wrote:

> Forgot to take a picture of that, Whoops!
>
> On 1/7/2017 10:29 PM, CURTIS GEORGE wrote:
>
> Hey Mike
>
> One last question for this evening.
>
> Do you have any pictures of the small turnings on the Shop Smith?  13.5"
> is bigger then the SS can do with the duplicating table installed, How Did
> you do that???
> C.A.G.
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> <legacym...@iglide.net>
> *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, January 7, 2017 9:28:35 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Making a column base
>
> Those were left dry for friction.  If they had glue, they would be like
> ice and you would have to fight the alignment.  Since those areas are going
> to be cut away, leave them dry and the no slip surface will bite down and
> hold your joint right where you want it.  The last clamp will pull
> everything in and glue will squeeze out of all 4 seams at the same time.
> It's pretty neat!
>
> Mike OK
>
> On 1/7/2017 8:19 PM, CURTIS GEORGE wrote:
>
> Mike I like your glue up's.
> Those notches must have saved you a lot of clamps. But on the gluing, Why
> not glue the hole surface of the wood joint?
> Curious  minds want to know ! ;-)
> C.A.G.
>
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Re: Birthday wish for Tim

[Tom Dotta]

Tim Thanks s much for all you do  & Most Happy Birthday
☺cheersTom D

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:58 AM, Brigitte Graham  wrote:

> Tim,
> Hope you have a Great day HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
> Legacy Widow
>
>
> On 3 October 2016 at 04:26, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) 
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>> I guess since the day is yours, we will start a new thread you can delete
>> at the appropriate time.
>>
>>
>> With that, happy Birthday again!
>>
>> Mike OK
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Re: New Members and Moderation

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Rocky & Everyone

Appreciate a little levity once in a while and in that direction a question
for Rocky. Can you imagine the variable pitch spiral possibilities by using
a trained snake on a dowel for the template?   Great mousers
too.

Best to all for the New Year      Tom Dotta

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Rocky92585 <stevewebbe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Aussiman, the baseball bats are six inches at largest diameter to smallest
> taper at 2 1/2 inches 6 feet long.  I think I have a picture somewhere hold
> it up I will try and find it once I fly home.
>
> On Saturday, March 31, 2012 at 5:07:09 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Hello New Members,
>>
>> This is a reminder that until you post a message, your messages must be
>> approved by either an owner or moderators of this group to be
>> posted.  Google sends an automated message to the people that
>> are responsible for approving messages, but please be aware it can be a
>> very long delay.
>>
>> Getting off the moderated list is easy as posting a message introducing
>> yourself.  Asking a question related to the equipment or posting a photo is
>> always good for getting instant approval.  I still believe this is a family
>> friendly place so please don't be shy.
>>
>> As of today, there are 63 members that have joined since 2010 that have
>> never posted a message.  I sure would like to hear from them either here in
>> this thread, or feel free to send me a note off the list so I can update
>> your status.
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>> -Tim
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multi component post

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Gang I've just watched Mike Pung's U tube on crank handle indexing
which was very good but it ended before what I really wanted to see which
is the method of joining the multiple parts. I'm assuming they are doweled
but am interested in how to maintain the necessary accuracy? I love the
look with flutes or reeds dead ending into a rising feature and I'm hoping
there is a rapid, accurate and simple method of accomplishing the joining.
All suggestions appreciated.  Cheers   Tom Dotta

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Re: multi component post

[Tom Dotta]

HI MIke   Thanks for the prompt response.   If I understand correctly you
cut the reeded part three inches long and then route a one & one half dowel
on each end. Sounds like you end up with  press fit, does that present any
problem with gluing? Re reading your response I see the extra one eighth
inch of depth which would accept any excess glue.Cheers and thanks
again Tom Dotta

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) <
legacym...@iglide.net> wrote:

> I drill the end block with a 1-3/8 forsner bit 1-5/8" deep and then use a
> cone live center in the hole when I turn it, that way the hole is perfectly
> centered in the turning.  Then dowel the ends of the center milled piece by
> using the 1-1/2" flat bottom bit that is used for rounding.  I secure the
> carriage in position where the bit takes a full 1-1/2 cut off the end of
> the piece, and unlock the split nut.  I then set the depth to11/16" from
> center, unlock the "Y" axis and crank the router to me.  Then all I have to
> do is rotate the stock, top coming to me. As it rotates, slowly crank the
> router back to center.  Test for fit and repeat.  When I am doing this it
> usually means repeat about a hundred times.  Have fun.
>
> Mike
> OK
>
>
> On 12/4/2015 10:02 AM, Tom Dotta wrote:
>
> Hi Gang I've just watched Mike Pung's U tube on crank handle indexing
> which was very good but it ended before what I really wanted to see which
> is the method of joining the multiple parts. I'm assuming they are doweled
> but am interested in how to maintain the necessary accuracy? I love the
> look with flutes or reeds dead ending into a rising feature and I'm hoping
> there is a rapid, accurate and simple method of accomplishing the
> joining. All suggestions appreciated.  Cheers   Tom Dotta
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Re: Good, Bad, or indifferent.

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Joe  CurtisIf either of you gentlemen have close up photos of your
linear slide  carriage widening mods I'm sure I'm not the only one
interested
Thanks  CheersTom D

On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 9:53 PM, CURTIS GEORGE curtgeo...@wowway.com
wrote:

 Hello Joe, (and everyone else out there.) ;-)

 Good suggestion about the Y axis Linear slide idea, I've done that, and
 Like you suggest it really improves the ability for template following. And
 along with the template following idea, A spindle motor
 greatly improved the template/follower cutting ability's as well.
 Ive been working on a few new idea along those lines my self lately.
 Hopefully I will get the time in the shop, to finish soon? but it just
 hasnt been in the cards, lately for me. Between my work load at
 the hospital and family commitments, My free time, just isnt as free as it
 use to be. Hopefully that will change very soon. after all the summer is
 now almost over,and the fall normally is the time I get the most things
 done in the shop. But we will see, when the kids go back to school?


 Im going to hit the hay now.
 Have a good night all.
 Please keep the notes coming. We still have a lot of members left to hear
 form.

 C.A.G.





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 *To: *Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, August 25, 2015 3:25:05 PM
 *Subject: *Re: Good, Bad, or indifferent.

 hey curtis!...and everyone else, of course...i'll offer some
 comments,suggestions and observations from my experience working with the
 legacy mill...in no specific order...to begin, there is no better machine
 ever made to do this type of work, that's a fact!...we all just have to
 deal with the issue that, what is out there, is it(much like a
 holtzapffel ornamental lathe)...and that goes for the availability of parts
 as well...is legacy to blame for this decision?...from a business sense, i
 would think not...if legacy decided to make the Z axis upgrade/accessory
 tomorrow, i wonder how many would buy one...my guess, not enough to justify
 a production run...so we just have to deal with that issue, buckle up and
 move forward...and yes, there are thousands of machines still out there but
 only a handful of people who have a need for parts...most machines are
 probably sitting in a corner getting little to no use...have seen so many
 times an ad that would say used only once' or hardly used...my point in
 mentioning this is that there really is not a great demand for parts(other
 than a small number in this group) and that does not make it profitable for
 legacy to make and stock parts...i might guess that they could not break
 even on that aspect of business if they ever did make and stock parts...in
 regards to the rails used by legacy, my guess as to why they chose to have
 the profile custom made, was to accommodate the black top hats...and since
 all other parts(bed risers,head and tail stocks, etc.,etc.) were made to
 fit that rail, it would be extremely problematic to switch to another rail
 design...time and cost prohibitive in my opinion...but then again, for what
 purpose would you need additional rail?(i know, coming from me that is a
 strange statement!)...for example,if you wanted to extend a machine, i
 would think joining two machines together would be the way to go since
 additional rail is not available...and you would still need additional bed
 support legs and cross bed supports anyway...so the second donor machine
 seems to way to go...in my opinion, about the only place you would need
 some railing, would be if you decided to widen your carriage, which i think
 is a necessary mod all should do...it is quick, easy and has many
 benefits...and the railing needed to do it can be gotten by eliminating the
 legs(assuming you have the leg kit on your machine, of course)...if the
 carriage is widened, you can now consider rotating your router, even going
 as far as 90 degrees, to do face plate, decorative cuts...big plus to the
 capability of the legacy...now, if you eliminate the legs, you need a new
 base, which is the next mod i would suggest, is a must...a strong, plywood
 box structure would not let the machine flex or rack at all, but would
 still allow mobility to move the machine around on casters as needed...next
 up is adding linear slides...so far the slides i have added to my modified
 machine(s) is working out well...no dust issues clogging the carriages to
 date...but then again, i do not use my machine to do general turning
 work...simply fluting and reeding, both straight and spiral, which i refer
 to as kiss cuts...so there is never a tremendous amount of sawdust
 produced...but the linear rails and bearing carriages i used from PBC, are
 working out well, were the least expensive that i had found(new, not used),
 had adjustments built into the bearings should wear ever be a 

Re: Explorer CNC News

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Group
From time to time I have seen references to some product
improvement/replacement item that Tim has made.  Are these available for
purchase and if so is there a list somewhere?
Hi JoeJust had a bit of time on my motorized1200 and is it nice to not
to have to crank.  Thanks again.  Tom




On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Stan Shuford s...@shuford.com wrote:

 Tim, Tracy said that they are in the process of updating their website, He
 announced that at the online class yesterday. The first part of the upgrade
 is on legacycncwoodworking.com. There is a new tab thay reads Support
 Ticket. We can now submit a problem or question which goes to Tracy and
 will be tracked for closure. Hopefully this will resolve some of the slow
 or no response from phone calls/emails for support.  Other website
 renewals/upgrades will be phased in according to Tracy, including the
 machines section.

 -Stan


 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 8:56 PM, CURTIS GEORGE curtgeo...@wowway.com
 wrote:

 Pretty Neat Tim !
 but it looks like they gave away your unit again. ;-p

 Thanks for everything.
 C.A.G.

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 *Sent: *Tuesday, January 6, 2015 6:20:42 PM
 *Subject: *Explorer CNC News

 It's really hard to get images of Legacy machines when they are behind on
 updating their website.  I found this article in a UK newsletter and
 extracted the page.  Notice the stand and the optional joinery
 attachment.   In the article it mentions the 50 model, that's also not
 news to me, but could be for others.  Also take note of the donation at the
 end of the article.  That's pretty cool if you ask me.  See the attachment
 for the article.

 -Tim



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Re: a 1200 at an incredible price

[Tom Dotta]

HI JoeThe 900 is a bench top model and the only way to change the
height of either the headstock or the tailstock ends is to loosen the allen
screws and lever the particular end to the desired elevation and reset the
screws. A rather clumsy procedure especially in a cramped space. The
factory stand has a hand wheel on an acme thread shaft underneath each end
so you don't have to 'levitate' the head or tailstock while tightening the
screws, much much easier. I know you know all of this and it's just my
particular choice of phrasing that caused the question.Cheers  Tom

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 7:50 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com wrote:

 hey curtis!...not to jump in here, but tom's 900 already has the Z axis
 upgrade...the 900 did not have a motor drive...i'll ask tom( or anyone
 else!) a question though...what are you referring to when you mentioned an
 acme screw taper adjustment?...thanks...joe


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Re: a 1200 at an incredible price

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Joe Thank you for posting the information regarding the 1200 in
Redding Calif. It does indeed have the factory motor drive and the Z axis
upgrade as well as the factory stand with the acme screw taper adjustment
and now resides in my shop in Hollister Calif. Quite an improvement over my
900 bench model that I was seeking information in order to motorize it.
Even though my 900 has the Z axis upgrade the motor drive is the 'real
deal'  Thanks to all that offered information as to the necessary parts for
the upgrade, fortunately I hadn't ordered any of the parts.
Thanks again Joe and also for your many informative posts, keep it up
please.Tom Dotta.

On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 6:20 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com wrote:

 hey bill,
   unfortunately, most often sales of items this large, come
 with the dreaded local pick up only tag...seems people just don't want
 the hassles involved in properly packaging certain items


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Display Cabinet

[Tom Dotta]

HI Curtis  Mac

Thanks Guys for the compliments as well as the helpful comments. The wood
used is 'sinker cypress' brought to Calif. by a friend in New Orleans that
used to raise Alligators. Might interest someone that all of the glass as
well as the 'self closing' drawer hardware is available off the shelf from
Ikea., cabinet built to fit  I have attended many symposiums, both AAW  OTI
so most of the work displayed in the cabinet is from demonstrator friends
around the world. Way better than my stuff. If anyone is interested in
ornamental work I'll post some as well as an ornamental machine that a New
Zealand friend made from scratch, awesome!
Being a lazy intermittent hobbyist I use tink tink cans almost exclusively,
sanding sealer  Lacquer.

Cheers   Tom D

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motor drive?

[Tom Dotta]

Help!
I've searched till I'm blue in the face (and that looks really strange) but
can not locate information detailing converting a 900 to motor drive.
Sorry to bother but thank you for your patience

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Re: A roped Wooden handle.

[Tom Dotta]

Good Morning Curtis

Nice bit of work however I'm more fascinated by the indexing mechanism
which looks really cool.Any chance for a picture of the whole rig? TNX  Tom
Dotta

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 7:20 AM, CURTIS GEORGE curtgeo...@wowway.com
wrote:

 Hello and Good morning Bill

 I will be honest with you, the 1/4  pitch (a custom made gear that I had
 made a while back...) was suppose to be a single start, I figured that it
 would be faster... but after the first cut it looked wrong for what I
 wanted (It was to thread like,close and I just did not like the look.), so
 I decided to try making a second start just off the first one, perhaps it
 would make it look more open?( though to my self.) Well It worked. All
 that I did was to set the router back into the grove it made on the first
 pass, and then move the carriage up one thread on the acme lead screw.
 When Life hands you a Lemon, Make Lemonade.  Is how I think of it. ;-)
 Have  a great day.
 C.A.G.
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 *From: *Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au
 *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 10:42:24 PM
 *Subject: *RE: A roped Wooden handle.


 Very interesting curt with a ½ inch cutter and 2 start I would normally do
 a 1 inch pitch so using ¼ of the pitch normally used

 It made a interesting spiral i have never seen that before looks good

 Bill



 *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CURTIS GEORGE
 *Sent:* Sunday, 19 April 2015 10:20 AM
 *To:* Legacy-Ornamental-Mills
 *Subject:* A roped Wooden handle.



 Hello Everyone.

 With all this pen turning stuff  (topic's) that we have been taking about
 last week, got me thinking, why not do something a little different along
 the pen turning lines.

 Well here it is!Something a bit different.  ;-)

 A roped wooden handle for a jig that I am making.

 The handle is 3/4 thick, Brazilian cherry . with a 3/8 steel shaft
 running through the wood,

 I used my 1/2 pen roping bit to make the wooden handle part, I used a 2
 stat rope with a 1/4 pitch.



 I know this is not a big project, but after working a 10 hour day, at
 work,I needed to get out in the shop and escape form reality for at least a
 short time.and un-wind.

 I though it turned out well. and wanted to share with all of you.

 If anyone what's to know more, Please feel free to ask.

 talk to you all latter.

 C.A.G.

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Re: Locals

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Tim  All

I really like Tim's suggestion about a volunteer registry and wish to be
included if it happens. I'm in the central coast of Calif. born  bred but
for six years we lived six months here and six months in New zealand's
South Island. While there I had half of a two car garage shop including a
Jet mini lathe as well as an older steel rail Legacy. The Jet ran thru a
step down transformer rescued from a TV. For the Legacy I bought a Triton
router there.  Incidental the same transformer is now running the sewing
machines my wife brought home to Calif. The household power there is 240V
50hz on one hot lead, they have no 110V system. My limited understanding of
50hz vrs our 60hz is only a reduction in rpm.

Cheers  Tom Dotta ted...@gmail.com

PS Never liked beer until our first visit to Auzzie. NZ

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au
wrote:

  Very interesting I didn’t know the rest of the story and as for the
 spelling lesson don’t blame me its my windows spell checkers fault not
 mine. if I left my emails alone and didn’t spell check them you probably
 wouldn’t even be able to read them my spell checker isn’t dyslexic J

 Bill



 *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger P
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 February 2015 8:00 PM

 *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: Locals



 Hi Bill

 Thanks for the history lesson, makes a lot of sense and I guess the
 Japanese kept their swords in same place. If you do go to the cemetery you
 could check in and get a spelling lesson with your English language teacher
 because I think you must be straight!

 Cheers

 Roger



 And here is a bit more info on the subject if your interested
 http://www.2pass.co.uk/goodluck.htm#.VOw8mPmsV8E and if your not then
 store it away with your CNC machines for when they become obsolete!


  *Do we drive on the Left ?*


 About a quarter of the world drives on the left, and the countries that do
 are mostly old British colonies.
 [image: 2pass]*Japan * http://www.2pass.co.uk/japan.htmalso drive on
 the left.

 This strange quirk perplexes the rest of the world; however, there is a
 perfectly good http://www.2pass.co.uk/goodluck.htmreason.

 Up to the late 1700's, everybody travelled on the left side of the road
 because it's the sensible option for feudal, violent societies of mostly
 right-handed people.

 Jousting knights with their lances under their right arm naturally passed
 on each other's right, and if you passed a stranger on the road you walked
 on the left to ensure that your protective sword arm was between yourself
 and him.

 Revolutionary France, however, overturned this practice as part
 http://www.2pass.co.uk/goodluck.htm of its sweeping social rethink. A
 change was carried out all over continental Europe by Napoleon.The reason
 it changed under Napoleon was because he was left handed his armies had to
 march on the right so he could keep his sword arm between him and any
 opponent.

 From then on, any part of the world which was at some time part of the
 British Empire was thus left hand and any part colonised by the French was
 right hand.

 In America, the French colonised the southern states (Louisiana for
 instance) and the Canadian east coast (Quebec). The Dutch colonised New
 York (or New Amsterdam).
 The Spanish and Portugese colonised the southern Americas. So The British
 were a minority in shaping the 'traffic'.

 The drive-on-the-right policy was adopted by the USA, which was anxious to
 cast off all remaining links with its British colonial past.

 Once America drove on the right, left-side driving was ultimately doomed.
 If you wanted a good reliable vehicle, you bought American, for a period
 they only manufactured right-hand-drive cars.

 From then on many countries changed out of necessity.

 Today, the EC would like Britain to fall into line
 http://www.2pass.co.uk/goodluck.htm with the rest of Europe, but this
 is no longer possible. It would cost billions of pounds to change
 everything round.

 The last European country to convert to driving on the right was Sweden in
 1967. While everyone was getting used to the new system, they paid more
 attention and took more care, resulting in a reduction of the number of
 road accident casualties.

 Since September 2009 Samoa drives on the left instead of the right.
 The main reason for this is that they want to use right-hand-drive cars,
 for instance from Japan and New Zealand, which both drive on the left.

 Countries that drive on the *LEFT *include:-

Anguilla
 Antigua  Barbuda
 Australia
 Bahamas
 Bangladesh
 Barbados
 Bermuda
 Bhutan
 Botswana
 British Virgin Islands
 Brunei
 Cayman Islands

 Channel Islands
 Cyprus
 Dominica
 Eire-Ireland
 England
 Falkland Islands
 Fiji
 Grenada
 Guyana
 Hong Kong
 India
 Indonesia
 Isle of Man

 Jamaica
 Japan http://www.2pass.co.uk/japan.htm
 Kenya
 Lesotho
 Macau

Re: Ebay last minute mill

[Tom Dotta]

Hello All
Possibly I could do the same for the drive setup,That one was too far
away.  Will someone please reference me to the location for the information
regarding the parts required and their assembly. I have a 900 as well as an
old 6' steel rail #???  mostly unused as the elbow doesn't cotton to the
cranking bit.
Thanks  CheersTom Dotta

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au
wrote:

  Yea if it keeps going I will be able to buy a whole mill just to get my
 ball bearing headstock

 And still not over pay (I’m still looking for one)

 Bill



 *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Krause
 *Sent:* Thursday, 19 February 2015 12:22 PM

 *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: Ebay last minute mill



 No, I have an extra 1000 exl with stand and motor and hate to think how
 the market is losing it's value.



 -Tim



  - Original Message -

 *From:* Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au

 *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 5:17 PM

 *Subject:* RE: Ebay last minute mill



 Was it you Tim??



 *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Krause
 *Sent:* Thursday, 19 February 2015 12:09 PM
 *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: Ebay last minute mill



 Too Good!

  - Original Message -

 *From:* Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au

 *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 5:01 PM

 *Subject:* RE: Ebay last minute mill



 Some one just got a really good deal on that one

 Bil



 *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Okla Mike
 (Liltwisted)
 *Sent:* Thursday, 19 February 2015 11:21 AM
 *To:* legacy group
 *Subject:* Re: Ebay last minute mill



 Legacy Model 1000EXL

 Mill has X-, Y-,  Z axis milling capabilities

 (X axis is powered); maximum length is 80

 Speed Control Box

 Adjustable Electronic Stops

 Rotary Table

 Template Follower

 .25X Gear Reduction Set

 2X Gear Multiplier Set

 Left Gear

 Floor stand

 Included are all instructional videos

 On 2/18/2015 6:19 PM, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) wrote:


 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Legacy-Woodworking-Machinery-Model-1000EXL-/291379914451?ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1120


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Re: terrco carving machine

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Joe

Neat machine, nice cleanup and mod. Are the center and right spindles in
their proper orientation relative to each other? It looks like they would
have to move toward each other and away from each other in order to stay in
contact with the workpieces. Looks like a flat belt drive, what is the
approximate RPM. Thanks for sharing and cheersTom D
P.S. Love to see a U tube of the machine in action?

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:27 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com wrote:

 curtis...here is the model 10-2R carving machine made by terrco...this
 terrco line was designed for commercial use and with the introduction of
 computerized equipment, the company no longer makes this line of
 equipment(sound familiar!)...although they do make a lower end type of
 machine that can do the same type of work...but that line is intended for
 the occasional user...the 10 represents the largest diameter of a piece
 that will fit the machine(they also made machines for larger
 diameters)...the 2 is for the number of pieces that can be worked on at any
 one time(they made machines in upwards of 24 spindles)...the R is
 interesting and the reason i bought this machine( i really wanted a 4
 spindle machine)...it stands for reversing which means you can have a
 carving that has a specific direction to it( like a face looking to the
 right,for example) and from a right hand carving model, you can carve a
 right and a left(the same face but looking to the left), all at the same
 time...a nice time saving feature when making chairs, for example, that
 have different shaped arms or rear legs...this machine can handle work
 pieces 48 long(machines capable of longer pieces were available...perhaps
 a future mod for my machine!...lol!)...the pieces used to do the reversing
 are in the fourth photo...you can remove the reversers and simply do
 straight forward carvings...in the third photo your model would be mounted
 to the left, and the rough-sized wood blanks would be to the right of the
 model...they mount between centers, much like we mount work on the legacy
 or a typical lathe...there is also a set up to do flat panel work, where
 the work pieces are clamped down onto a flat table...there are left and
 right cutters with a corresponding, shaped follower bit in various shapes
 and sizes, all the way down to a pencil point bit for fine detailed
 carving...the cutters spinning left and right are set up so their forces
 will counter each other and provide for a smooth operation of the head that
 rolls front to back...the second photo shows a mod i did to rotate the
 model and work pieces in unison when cutting all around a work piece...this
 was previously done with a crank handle but the manufacturer did offer an
 upgrade to a motorized set up...the last photo shows a caster and leveling
 system we set up to give the machine some mobility and the ability to
 easily level it, which is a must...the overall footprint of the piece is
 approx. 5ft.X 5ftjust about done setting up this piece and will the get
 back to the legacy...hopefully...any questions, fire away!...joe

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Re: Have YOU made a splice like this?

[Tom Dotta]

To anyone interested in 'timber framing' may I suggest to just Google Ted
Benson
 who is most responsible for the recent revival of the craft. Cheers   Tom
Dotta

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Michael Kratky krat...@roadrunner.com
wrote:



 Re: Timber splices and Codes



 I work in Code Enforcement and see a few timber frame homes built here in
 upstate NY in the Adirondacks Mountains from time to time, although these
 kinds of splices are somewhat unique they are not that rare it all depends
 on how deep the pockets are of the customer, for any such structure the
 design has to be approved by a Licensed Professional Engineer or Architect,
 my job is to see that they are built to the approved plans; they are
 impressive structures. Mostly the timbers are native white pine the best
 coming from New Hampshire, on rare occasion red oak, sometime Douglas fir
 from the west coast or even cedar. Interestingly most of the choice timber
 is exported to Japan. I have a friend who makes a living selling tiger
 maple to Japan and South Korea.



 *Michael P. Kratky*







 *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:09 PM
 *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Cc:* mwfos...@earthlink.net
 *Subject:* Re: Have YOU made a splice like this?



 okay, being the pessimist that i am, here goes...a few observations, in no
 particular order...1) this seems to be a beam that is to be used in exposed
 wood construction. i would think it would not pass our building codes. but
 we do not know the length of the beam, so can't say for sure 2) is it
 practical to do this type of joinery, when thinking of a building budget? i
 would think a lot of us could do this joint after seeing this video, but
 exactly how much time does it take to complete it? i am in a business where
 i have seen people spend ridiculously large amounts of money on making
 things, but even so, every job has a balance between artistry and budget.
 but i will assume this temple's construction budget warrants this type of
 intense labor 3)regarding that driven-in wedge. the grain of the wood seems
 to run the length of the wedge. question-if the wedge should shrink over
 time, would that compromise the joint? since the tightness of the wedge is
 what keeps everything tightly together. not saying that the joint would
 ever separate,obviously, but still, would the beam ever sag just a bit,
 because of wood shrinkage? even the small tab at the end of the joint, if
 it shrinks, could cause a bit of sagging, perhaps...personally, i would go
 with laminated, solid wood(not the strand stuff) beams with decorative
 iron joist hangers and/or brackets and braces...when it comes to a roof
 over my head, i'll go with strength (with small bit of artistry) over pure
 artistry every time...but i do find it interesting...thanks for the post
 and all comebacks welcome!

 On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:37:20 AM UTC-4, Va Oak wrote:

 Mike,
 Thanks for sharing the link - I hadn't seen it.
 That's what you call precision joinery on a MASSIVE scale!  I am
 impressed at how well it all seems to fit together so tightly.  Appears the
 only metal/steel used in the construction of the temple is in the blades
 used to make the cuts - NOT in screws  bolts.  Amazing!
 I can't help but wonder - this method of construction must be more
 seismically compatible - vs using bolts/screws.  What do you think?
 I shudder at thinking what this would cost to do in North America.  It
 would probably never pass code either.
 Any bets that Joe B. in NYC is already figuring out how to make these in
 his Big Bertha?  LoL
 (Joe - you there?)
 Mac
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 -Original Message-
 From: Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
 Sent: Oct 28, 2014 9:03 PM
 To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Have YOU made a splice like this?

 Intro Video
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuBBDDOSSY0

 On 10/28/2014 8:03 PM, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) wrote:

 Look at their intro video, it shows quite a few of their joints in
 construction of a temple.

 Mike
 OK

 On 10/28/2014 6:41 PM, CURTIS GEORGE wrote:

 Hello Mac.

 Now that's impressive!  The machine is pretty Cool, but that interlocking
 wedge joint is something that I would like to learn more about .

 Thanks for the heads up.

 C.A.G.


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 *To: *LOM - Tim legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, October 28, 2014 3:59:19 PM
 *Subject: *Have YOU made a splice like this?



 I know that some of ya'll will end up trying to replicate what this
 craftsman is seen doing.
 (Joe - that includes you.  Send us pics of you making this joint.)




 http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/hand-tools/a-traditional-locking-scarf-jointnot-so-traditionally-made_o.aspx?utm_source=newsletterutm_content=jumputm_medium=emailutm_campaign=JLCNL_102314day=2014-10

Re: Which model to get?

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Roger

Unless your spindles are longer than 15 1/2 a conventional Jet mini lathe
will do what you want easier, faster and much cheaper than either Legacy.
Before anyone starts screaming let me say I own two Legacys, a 900 with the
Z axis upgrade and an older 1000 and I love both, but the work you mention
is not Legacy work to me.
Reeding, Fluting and spiral work are most definitely Legacy work without
question.

CheersTom D

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:41 PM, CURTIS GEORGE curtgeo...@wowway.com
wrote:

 Hello everyone.

 Dave I agree with Roger, With only one execution, I would say buy what you
 can afford.
 I bought a model 1000 ex. and at the time I said that I was buying what I
 needed, My wife told me ,to buy what I wanted. (at that time we could
 afford the larger machine but I said it was to expensive.) Today I wish I
 had done what she/my wife told me to do. The 1000 is a good machine (the
 1200 was made to replace the 1000) but I find a lot of the time that I wish
 that I had more room, for longer and bigger projects.
 I guess it really depends on what kind of things you like to make? If pens
 and small idioms are more you stile than go with a smaller machine, But for
 me bigger is almost always better.

 Now onto your second question, what if ??? That what this group is all
 about. Its hard to plan for every what if? but chances are most (or perhaps
 better said, Lots) of Legacy users have already experience problems with
 there machines or projects over a life time of use. So with over 300 people
 out there in our group, chances are someone has already dealt with a
 problem that you are/will experiencing.. So when you run into a problem
 just type up a message and see how many reply's that you get. When there is
 a will, there is always a way. There is nothing that cant be built or made
 to get the job done.(at least that's how I see it.) :-)


 Have a good day.
 C.A.G.

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 *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Sent: *Saturday, October 4, 2014 3:12:25 PM
 *Subject: *Re: Which model to get?


 Welcome Dave and may you find what you want.

 As someone who has sold a lot of Legacy manual machines in the UK, Europe
 and around the world my response is buy the biggest and best you can
 afford. The Model 900 is a great product but for my money the Model 1200 is
 slightly more robust in the frame build and the adjustment of the height of
 the headstock and tail stock is superior on the Model 1200. But if I had to
 make a choice between a Model 900 with Z Axis up-grade versus Model 1200
 standard then I would go for the Model 900.

 The things you want to do can be done on both machines, the Model 1200 has
 the benefit of additional space between centres and about an inch or so
 more on diameter.

 I have sold well past 100 manual machines and I can honestly say spares
 never came up as an issue or even a need. Now I know someone will disagree
 but I speak as I have found.

 Regards
 Euro Roger

 *From:* sucric via Legacy Ornamental Mills
 legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, October 4, 2014 7:47 PM
 *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Which model to get?

 Hi,

 I'm new to the group and looking to buy a legacy mill, I see the 900s and
 1200s for sales from time to time and was wondering which model is
 recommended.

 Some of the things I'm looking to do with it.

 1. Turn spindles
 2. Turn bowls
 3. Make doll furniture (so I'd want to make small chair legs or table legs)
 4. Turn writing pens

 I'd also like to know what the group does when a machine breaks.

 How/Where do you get spare parts?

 What should I look for or avoid when buying one of these used?

 Thanks
 -David
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Re: Question for New Members

[Tom Dotta]

Three cheers for the cradle, it's a bueat. Pretty soon I'll have to make my
first one and I can only hope it comes out that well.  Would love a blowup
of the intarsia. Congrats and thanks for sharing. Tom Dotta


On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au
wrote:

 Really nice cradle is that 2 coloured spirals in it i see

 Bill



 *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ
 *Sent:* Saturday, 31 May 2014 4:27 AM
 *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* RE: Question for New Members



 I’ve used the lathe. but not too much.  Primarily for bowls and segmented
 bowls.  Neither of which I’ve very good at.  I plan to retire soon.  Then,
 I hope I’ll  have the time to improve my skill set.



 Tim, I’ve attached a couple of photos of a cradle I built for my
 granddaughter… now 8 yrs old.  These weren’t staged pics, and the finish
 work wasn’t quite complete, but the spindles and end posts I built using my
 legacy come through.





 Regards,

 Russ


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 mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Krause
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:19 PM
 *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: Question for New Members



 Thanks for the response, it helps me understand the level of our members.



 Do you ever use that  lathe?  The legacy has a few short comings that are
 resolved on a lathe.  It's not just a screw machine like some ignorant
 people always say.



 -Tim





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 *Cc:* Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com

 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 27, 2014 9:36 PM

 *Subject:* Re: Question for New Members



 Yes, I own a Delta Lathe too.  Oddly enough, I bought my legacy first.
 Years later, there was an estate sale in my neighborhood, and I saw tools
 as I drove by.  Needless to say, I left the estate sale with a large Delta
 lathe, a 16 Laguna bandsaw ( I already own a Rockwell 14), a Jet dist
 collector (my 2nd one of these), a Powermatic oscillating spindle
 sander,  a couple of motors and and various other stuff in a couple of
 boxes.

 On Monday, March 3, 2014 10:43:23 AM UTC-8, Tim wrote:

 Do you own a lathe as well as a piece of Legacy's equipment?  In the past
 I asked this question and found the majority of lathe owners also own a
 legacy.



 -Tim



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Re: Tricks needed.

[Tom Dotta]

Absent having a plug cutter of that dimension it sounds like a simple lathe job.
Cheers   Tom Dotta

On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 5:31 PM, CURTIS GEORGE curtgeo...@wowway.com wrote:
 OK No silly Rabbits Jokes this time, Please. ;-)
 Im asking if any of you all have any good tricks to make wooden screw hole
 plugs, I want to make face plane plugs, I own a few different screw hole
 cutters, but I have a set of holes already made that I have to match, the
 mic. reads .400, none of my cutters will fit that size hole.

 I can turn a spindle and cut the size and shape to match the holes, but that
 will make plugs that are end grain and will not match the wood when stained.
 Dose anyone out there have any good ways to make plugs? Any and all
 suggestions are and will be welcome.
 Thank you.
 C.A.G.

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Re: Ornamental Mills Around the World

[Tom Dotta]

Morning Tim
 With all due respect to privacy. Is there a member list available? If
this is a no no I understand. If not I would be interested in 'local'
members contacts, meaning central Calif. I only personally know one
other owner, Marcus in San Jose Ca. and do not think he is a member.
CheersTom Dotta Hollister Calif.

On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote:
 Don Butler has added a marker to our guestmap.
 Marker message: 1200XL (Extra Long)
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Re: can anyone help identify this piece!

[Tom Dotta]

looks like a machinist vice without the screw  Tom


On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) 
legacym...@iglide.net wrote:

  It does look pre legacy.  WoodChuck rails are 1 wide so I  would say itis a 
 carriage stop for a
 WoodChuck.  Never seen one but that's how i would use it.
 Mike
 OK
  On 9/17/2013 4:15 PM, joe biunno at finun...@aol.com wrote:

 have two of these that were with all my misc. parts from an 1800 or
 1200...approx. 3' long by 1 1/4 wide by 1 1/4 high...black nylon type
 material...nicely machined...the square void area is 7/8 high x 1
 wide...whatever goes into that void, you can clamp it in by tightening the
 set screw...not sure if this is even a legacy piece...but it does look like
 their work...any assistance, much appreciated...joe biunno
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Re: filling wood

[Tom Dotta]

I'd put my two cents on Famowood but I sure wouldn't want to pay the
freight to Aussie Cheers   Tom D


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) 
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  See, you don't mind being a little twisted either.LOL
 Mike

  On 8/20/2013 10:11 AM, Roger P wrote:

  Hi Bill
 It is amazing, the answer to your problem is made right there in
 Australia!  It just reminds me of an old sales adage that there are nearly
 always customers locally yet we all go looking afar.

 Please note I have sold Wood Workers Workshop but I kept two product lines
 for my semi-retirement. Guess what, they were Legacy and Magnate, that will
 keep me busy enough and if you wish to contact me then
 r...@simply-woodworking.com will find me.

 Regards
 English Roger!

  *From:* denis pinardde...@videotron.ca
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:11 PM
 *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: filling wood

  Hello Bill

 There is the company Timbermate (Woodfiller) color ebony.
 I use it to fill the inside of the letter i make with my cnc.
 www.timbermategroup.com
 1042 N. Mountain suite 291
 Upland, Ca. 91786
 Tel. 855 500-MATE (6283)


 On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:50:21 AM UTC-4, aussiman wrote:

  Can anyone recommend a filler that I can colour with die or paint i
 need a almost black filler to fill some imperfections



 In a job I’m doing the wood is a red colour and the parts I want to fill
 are almost black so I want to highlight this as i fill the holes, nothing
 larger than a 1/16 inch any body got any ideas i know this is not legacy
 but we all don’t just do legacy stuff can you colour pva glue with die or
 paint and use it as a filler ?

 Also after i want to stain and have a gloss finish any ideas are welcome



 Bill



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Re: Re - New toy

[Tom Dotta]

May I add my congrats and also say the overdue gesture has rekindled a bit
of faith.   Cheers  Tom Dotta  ted...@gmail.com

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Cole Andrews coleandrew...@gmail.comwrote:

 He is not way out in the bush I hope. I have been looking for a reason to
 go to Australia, now I need to start working the finance director. :)
 On Feb 6, 2013 9:51 AM, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote:

 It's warmer in Australia, I say we meet at Bill's and raise his home and
 shop :-)

 -Tim

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 Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 6:01 PM
 Subject: Re: Re - New toy


  lets all meet at Tim's for class! :)
 
  On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:35 PM,  mwfos...@earthlink.net wrote:
   Tim,
  
   Hear Hear!  I second the Congrats as well as agree you DESERVE it!
   Thanks for all you have done and are doing for the group.
  
   Stan - Thank you for having the idea and bringing it to fruition.
  
   Mac
   
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Brigitte Graham
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   To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Re - New toy
  
   Tim,
   You are one very lucky chap! (Though well deserved)
   I hope you are not going to get too blown away by CNC technology,
 because we
   will still need you so sort out the groups problems!
   Brigitte
  
  
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Re: Creating spirals on the rotary table

[Tom Dotta]

Hi Tim
First time poster but I've enjoyed reading all of the posts since being
allow to and thank you for that. The Ornamental turners frequently
substitute a pen for the cutter and a paper holder in place of the
 material..Provides an accurate, cheep look. I realize ornamental lathes
are more accurate than a legacy so maybe substitute a lite cardboard for
the paper and find a proper sized pen to fit the router chuck.
Cheers   Tom Dotta

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote:

 **
 Hello All,

 I had a crazy idea that a continues single start spiral can be made on the
 rotary table. The goal is to get the pitch right on the x-axis.  I started
 looking into the geometry required with a 1/2 cove bit.  It looks like a
 spacing of .375 would do the job.  In other words, the x-axis would move
 3/8 with each rotation of the rotary table.   I think this would create a
 spiral pattern but I'm not sure.  Maybe the pitch needs to decrease as it
 get closer to the center?

 Then I started to consider the problem a little further.  It's not quite
 that easy.  You see, the problem is my pitch is right, but I did not take
 into consideration the spindle turns 8 times to make the rotary table turn
 once.  So, I really need to take that .375 pitch and divide it by 8.  The
 new pitch number that I need is actually .046.  That way the x axis
 travels the .375 per rotation of the rotary table ( 8 x .046 = .375 ).

 Now, I can think of two ways to get the pitch so that's not my concern.
 The real concern is if I've come up with the right pitch in the first place
 and if a fixed width would even work.

 Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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