Re: New X-4 gear set.

2024-04-08 Thread cdkr...@gmail.com
I'm all in for x-4 and x-8 gear sets if they can be arranged to fit on the 
REVO.
And a reminder that the LegacyChartV11 spreadsheet was built to 
accommodate these ranges using Custom input and output tooth counts.
Looking good, guys.
DanK
On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 6:51:42 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> thanks Curt. This is the first chart I ever had when I started in on this 
> adventure. lol.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 10:02 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> This gear chart is form a Wood Chuck mill.  knowing the gears will help 
>> ...
>> [image: Inline image]
>>
>> C.A.G.
>> On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 10:56:59 PM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
>> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>>
>>
>> We did have a gentleman in our group, who made his own gear linkage a few 
>> years back.
>> his gear reduction set looks more like Legacy's 2000 & 2200 gear linkage. 
>> but his was appx. 4yrs before Legacy.
>> My set up is much simpler, It may have some draw backs? but With Simple, 
>> Others can pick up from where I left off. (modifying and or making there 
>> own parts.)  If its to complex no one will ever try to understand and make 
>> it. The main focus point is the learn and grow.
>> Here are some of his old photo's and a link to this topic.
>>  Joe Gassen  made a X8 gear set.  
>>
>>
>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/legacy-ornamental-mills/$20gear$20set$2F$20joe$20gassen/legacy-ornamental-mills/NRI4-q17xz8/RIIWbhMU078J>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/legacy-ornamental-mills/$20gear$20set$2F$20joe$20gassen/legacy-ornamental-mills/NRI4-q17xz8/RIIWbhMU078J
>>
>> C.A.G.
>> On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 10:18:36 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> good stuff, Curt. Look forward to you testing it and seeing some results 
>> too. 
>> Very innovative. You just need to figure out how to add another small 
>> gear to make it directional. 
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 9:12 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone.
>>
>> Just finished off the New X-4 gear set. (to be fully honest with you all, 
>> Its just a re-make of my old X,2,3,4, gear set.) 
>> The idea was to use the Legacy gears that I own to reduce the gears 
>> movement/ speeding the pitch up. 
>> This gear set, goes in the placement of the directional gears. This gear 
>> set can be added to any of the other Legacy gear sets.
>>
>> And example if I use the standard gear set, so it was to make a 3" pitch, 
>> If I add this X-4 to the linkage, I would then make a 12" pitch.
>>
>> The key is making a gear linkage with a 5/16" square and a set of ball- 
>> bearings to hold the shaft. then I used my 96 tooth gear ("A" gear)
>> and a 24 tooth gear. ("F" gear ???)(I think? I have 2 but they may be a 
>> custom made gear? I did have a number odd sized gears made some yrs. back.) 
>> I have not yet fully tested this gear set, Yet. (but hope to do my 
>> testing tomorrow.)
>> The photo's show the gear set piece by piece. First the frame with shaft 
>> and ball bearing sets. second the gears stacked on the shaft.
>> and third the full assembly.  and lastly the gear chart.
>>
>> I hope this helps everyone understand the process, and how it was made.
>>
>> Have a good night.
>>
>> C.A.G.
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Re: New X-4 gear set.

2024-04-08 Thread Tim Ziegler
Thanks Curt good stuff.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 9:56 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> We did have a gentleman in our group, who made his own gear linkage a few
> years back.
> his gear reduction set looks more like Legacy's 2000 & 2200 gear linkage.
> but his was appx. 4yrs before Legacy.
> My set up is much simpler, It may have some draw backs? but With Simple,
> Others can pick up from where I left off. (modifying and or making there
> own parts.)  If its to complex no one will ever try to understand and make
> it. The main focus point is the learn and grow.
> Here are some of his old photo's and a link to this topic.
>  Joe Gassen  made a X8 gear set.
>
>
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/legacy-ornamental-mills/$20gear$20set$2F$20joe$20gassen/legacy-ornamental-mills/NRI4-q17xz8/RIIWbhMU078J>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/legacy-ornamental-mills/$20gear$20set$2F$20joe$20gassen/legacy-ornamental-mills/NRI4-q17xz8/RIIWbhMU078J
>
> C.A.G.
> On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 10:18:36 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> good stuff, Curt. Look forward to you testing it and seeing some results
> too.
> Very innovative. You just need to figure out how to add another small gear
> to make it directional.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 9:12 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone.
>
> Just finished off the New X-4 gear set. (to be fully honest with you all,
> Its just a re-make of my old X,2,3,4, gear set.)
> The idea was to use the Legacy gears that I own to reduce the gears
> movement/ speeding the pitch up.
> This gear set, goes in the placement of the directional gears. This gear
> set can be added to any of the other Legacy gear sets.
>
> And example if I use the standard gear set, so it was to make a 3" pitch,
> If I add this X-4 to the linkage, I would then make a 12" pitch.
>
> The key is making a gear linkage with a 5/16" square and a set of ball-
> bearings to hold the shaft. then I used my 96 tooth gear ("A" gear)
> and a 24 tooth gear. ("F" gear ???)(I think? I have 2 but they may be a
> custom made gear? I did have a number odd sized gears made some yrs. back.)
> I have not yet fully tested this gear set, Yet. (but hope to do my testing
> tomorrow.)
> The photo's show the gear set piece by piece. First the frame with shaft
> and ball bearing sets. second the gears stacked on the shaft.
> and third the full assembly.  and lastly the gear chart.
>
> I hope this helps everyone understand the process, and how it was made.
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
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RE: New X-4 gear set.

2024-04-08 Thread bulkeley
I thought the linkage looked a little familiar 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2024 1:24 PM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 

Subject: Re: New X-4 gear set.

 

Just got a note for one of our members.

 

Go to the link that I posted, and then click on the topic/ Joe's postings.

This is The message explaining the gear, X 8 set that he made.

 

On Friday, March 2, 2012 12:25:57 PM UTC-6, Joe Gassen wrote:

Now part two.

Photo 8

I took apart the rear gear with the "sandwich" that looks like the normal index 
drive that meshes with (mine is 180 tooth) indexed gear. The count on the small 
gear was 45 teeth.

Photos 9 and 10 show the fabricated "bar" that holds the right hand gear. It is 
notched to fit inside the"knuckle" of a stock unit. The shoulder is notched to 
where the arm will always be at right angles to the arm that mounts on spindle 
drive.Sorry the pics are not better.

Photo 11 is just to show the fixed 90 degree angle for the "bar" to the "index 
arm with bushing"

Photo 12  shows where I tried to measure fixed distance between 3/8 studs (or 
center to center) and it looks like 4 11/16"

 

So obviously the two large gears on left stud are independent of each other and 
turn at different rates as determined by one driving the right gear and it,in 
turn driving the rear left gear at different rpm.

as a side note.

45 tooth gears and 180 tooth gears seem to be stock items from Legacy, but 
interestingly enough, the two 180 tooth large gears had 1/2 in holes bored in 
them so the previous owner had to "bush" them down to 3/8 to fit stud.

All other gears were bored to 3/8.

Any more questions, just ask and I will try to answer.

As stated before. My travel increased from 3 to 24 inches with the same 60 
tooth drive gear so this (to me) is an 8 times multiplier.

 

 

C.A.G.

On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 10:56:59 PM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

We did have a gentleman in our group, who made his own gear linkage a few years 
back.

his gear reduction set looks more like Legacy's 2000 & 2200 gear linkage. but 
his was appx. 4yrs before Legacy.

My set up is much simpler, It may have some draw backs? but With Simple, Others 
can pick up from where I left off. (modifying and or making there own parts.)  
If its to complex no one will ever try to understand and make it. The main 
focus point is the learn and grow.

Here are some of his old photo's and a link to this topic.

 Joe Gassen  made a X8 gear set.  

 

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/legacy-ornamental-mills/$20gear$20set$2F$20joe$20gassen/legacy-ornamental-mills/NRI4-q17xz8/RIIWbhMU078J

 

C.A.G.

On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 10:18:36 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

good stuff, Curt. Look forward to you testing it and seeing some results too. 

Very innovative. You just need to figure out how to add another small gear to 
make it directional. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 9:12 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello everyone.

 

Just finished off the New X-4 gear set. (to be fully honest with you all, Its 
just a re-make of my old X,2,3,4, gear set.) 

The idea was to use the Legacy gears that I own to reduce the gears movement/ 
speeding the pitch up. 

This gear set, goes in the placement of the directional gears. This gear set 
can be added to any of the other Legacy gear sets.

 

And example if I use the standard gear set, so it was to make a 3" pitch, If I 
add this X-4 to the linkage, I would then make a 12" pitch.

 

The key is making a gear linkage with a 5/16" square and a set of ball- 
bearings to hold the shaft. then I used my 96 tooth gear ("A" gear)

and a 24 tooth gear. ("F" gear ???)(I think? I have 2 but they may be a custom 
made gear? I did have a number odd sized gears made some yrs. back.) 

I have not yet fully tested this gear set, Yet. (but hope to do my testing 
tomorrow.)

The photo's show the gear set piece by piece. First the frame with shaft and 
ball bearing sets. second the gears stacked on the shaft.

and third the full assembly.  and lastly the gear chart.

 

I hope this helps everyone understand the process, and how it was made.

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

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RE: New X-4 gear set.

2024-04-08 Thread bulkeley
Interesting curt looking forward to see it on your mill

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2024 12:12 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: New X-4 gear set.

 

Hello everyone.

 

Just finished off the New X-4 gear set. (to be fully honest with you all, Its 
just a re-make of my old X,2,3,4, gear set.) 

The idea was to use the Legacy gears that I own to reduce the gears movement/ 
speeding the pitch up. 

This gear set, goes in the placement of the directional gears. This gear set 
can be added to any of the other Legacy gear sets.

 

And example if I use the standard gear set, so it was to make a 3" pitch, If I 
add this X-4 to the linkage, I would then make a 12" pitch.

 

The key is making a gear linkage with a 5/16" square and a set of ball- 
bearings to hold the shaft. then I used my 96 tooth gear ("A" gear)

and a 24 tooth gear. ("F" gear ???)(I think? I have 2 but they may be a custom 
made gear? I did have a number odd sized gears made some yrs. back.) 

I have not yet fully tested this gear set, Yet. (but hope to do my testing 
tomorrow.)

The photo's show the gear set piece by piece. First the frame with shaft and 
ball bearing sets. second the gears stacked on the shaft.

and third the full assembly.  and lastly the gear chart.

 

I hope this helps everyone understand the process, and how it was made.

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

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Re: New X-4 gear set.

2024-04-07 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
 Just got a note for one of our members.
Go to the link that I posted, and then click on the topic/ Joe's postings.This 
is The message explaining the gear, X 8 set that he made.
On Friday, March 2, 2012 12:25:57 PM UTC-6, Joe Gassen wrote:
Now part two.

Photo 8
I took apart the rear gear with the "sandwich" that looks like the normal index 
drive that meshes with (mine is 180 tooth) indexed gear. The count on the small 
gear was 45 teeth.Photos 9 and 10 show the fabricated "bar" that holds the 
right hand gear. It is notched to fit inside the"knuckle" of a stock unit. The 
shoulder is notched to where the arm will always be at right angles to the arm 
that mounts on spindle drive.Sorry the pics are not better.Photo 11 is just to 
show the fixed 90 degree angle for the "bar" to the "index arm with 
bushing"Photo 12  shows where I tried to measure fixed distance between 3/8 
studs (or center to center) and it looks like 4 11/16"
So obviously the two large gears on left stud are independent of each other and 
turn at different rates as determined by one driving the right gear and it,in 
turn driving the rear left gear at different rpm.as a side note.45 tooth gears 
and 180 tooth gears seem to be stock items from Legacy, but interestingly 
enough, the two 180 tooth large gears had 1/2 in holes bored in them so the 
previous owner had to "bush" them down to 3/8 to fit stud.All other gears were 
bored to 3/8.Any more questions, just ask and I will try to answer.As stated 
before. My travel increased from 3 to 24 inches with the same 60 tooth drive 
gear so this (to me) is an 8 times multiplier.



 C.A.G.On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 10:56:59 PM EDT, 'Curt George' via 
Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:  
 
  We did have a gentleman in our group, who made his own gear linkage a few 
years back.his gear reduction set looks more like Legacy's 2000 & 2200 gear 
linkage. but his was appx. 4yrs before Legacy.My set up is much simpler, It may 
have some draw backs? but With Simple, Others can pick up from where I left 
off. (modifying and or making there own parts.)  If its to complex no one will 
ever try to understand and make it. The main focus point is the learn and 
grow.Here are some of his old photo's and a link to this topic. Joe Gassen  
made a X8 gear set.  

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/legacy-ornamental-mills/$20gear$20set$2F$20joe$20gassen/legacy-ornamental-mills/NRI4-q17xz8/RIIWbhMU078J

C.A.G.On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 10:18:36 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 good stuff, Curt. Look forward to you testing it and seeing some results too. 
Very innovative. You just need to figure out how to add another small gear to 
make it directional. 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 9:12 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:

Hello everyone.
Just finished off the New X-4 gear set. (to be fully honest with you all, Its 
just a re-make of my old X,2,3,4, gear set.) The idea was to use the Legacy 
gears that I own to reduce the gears movement/ speeding the pitch up. This gear 
set, goes in the placement of the directional gears. This gear set can be added 
to any of the other Legacy gear sets.
And example if I use the standard gear set, so it was to make a 3" pitch, If I 
add this X-4 to the linkage, I would then make a 12" pitch.
The key is making a gear linkage with a 5/16" square and a set of ball- 
bearings to hold the shaft. then I used my 96 tooth gear ("A" gear)and a 24 
tooth gear. ("F" gear ???)(I think? I have 2 but they may be a custom made 
gear? I did have a number odd sized gears made some yrs. back.) I have not yet 
fully tested this gear set, Yet. (but hope to do my testing tomorrow.)The 
photo's show the gear set piece by piece. First the frame with shaft and ball 
bearing sets. second the gears stacked on the shaft.and third the full 
assembly.  and lastly the gear chart.
I hope this helps everyone understand the process, and how it was made.
Have a good night.
C.A.G.


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Re: New X-4 gear set.

2024-04-07 Thread Ccm Ccm
Curt, very innovative just what
I need thanks

On Sunday, April 7, 2024, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone.
>
> Just finished off the New X-4 gear set. (to be fully honest with you all,
> Its just a re-make of my old X,2,3,4, gear set.)
> The idea was to use the Legacy gears that I own to reduce the gears
> movement/ speeding the pitch up.
> This gear set, goes in the placement of the directional gears. This gear
> set can be added to any of the other Legacy gear sets.
>
> And example if I use the standard gear set, so it was to make a 3" pitch,
> If I add this X-4 to the linkage, I would then make a 12" pitch.
>
> The key is making a gear linkage with a 5/16" square and a set of ball-
> bearings to hold the shaft. then I used my 96 tooth gear ("A" gear)
> and a 24 tooth gear. ("F" gear ???)(I think? I have 2 but they may be a
> custom made gear? I did have a number odd sized gears made some yrs. back.)
> I have not yet fully tested this gear set, Yet. (but hope to do my testing
> tomorrow.)
> The photo's show the gear set piece by piece. First the frame with shaft
> and ball bearing sets. second the gears stacked on the shaft.
> and third the full assembly.  and lastly the gear chart.
>
> I hope this helps everyone understand the process, and how it was made.
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
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Re: New X-4 gear set.

2024-04-07 Thread Tim Ziegler
good stuff, Curt. Look forward to you testing it and seeing some results
too.
Very innovative. You just need to figure out how to add another small gear
to make it directional.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 9:12 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone.
>
> Just finished off the New X-4 gear set. (to be fully honest with you all,
> Its just a re-make of my old X,2,3,4, gear set.)
> The idea was to use the Legacy gears that I own to reduce the gears
> movement/ speeding the pitch up.
> This gear set, goes in the placement of the directional gears. This gear
> set can be added to any of the other Legacy gear sets.
>
> And example if I use the standard gear set, so it was to make a 3" pitch,
> If I add this X-4 to the linkage, I would then make a 12" pitch.
>
> The key is making a gear linkage with a 5/16" square and a set of ball-
> bearings to hold the shaft. then I used my 96 tooth gear ("A" gear)
> and a 24 tooth gear. ("F" gear ???)(I think? I have 2 but they may be a
> custom made gear? I did have a number odd sized gears made some yrs. back.)
> I have not yet fully tested this gear set, Yet. (but hope to do my testing
> tomorrow.)
> The photo's show the gear set piece by piece. First the frame with shaft
> and ball bearing sets. second the gears stacked on the shaft.
> and third the full assembly.  and lastly the gear chart.
>
> I hope this helps everyone understand the process, and how it was made.
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
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