Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

have to say, the good thing about those Legacy "legs"(as Legacy called 
them...the red, vertical pieces that connect the bottom rail with the top 
rail) is the fact that you could adjust the front-to-back orientation of 
the top rail to achieve a better parallel setup of the two top rails to 
each other... this was critical to me and my setup, and I was fortunate 
that I had extra legs to use when putting my machine together... wish I 
could buy more... Curtis, I noticed in the last picture(the one with the 
wooden stop block), that what looks like the middle of your machine, there 
is a flat, red piece of metal connecting the lower rail to the top rail... 
is this a Legacy piece?... or a piece you made or modified?... also, nice 
repurpose of the mechanical wire terminals on your mod... aluminum is a 
great material to work with, but for the fact that it is not easily 
weldable... Joe B.

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RE: Thank you Tim & today's project.

[artmarbles]

Better than just made in the USA, it’s made in Oregon! Home sweet home!

Tim,

Very nice work.  The BIG Deal on your tape - in addition to the 
"OrnamentalMills.com" of course - was the "USA"!

I trust that that means "they" (assuming you had several made) were "Made in 
the USA" (Like we always hear the Woodpecker product videos state.)

 

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Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

  Mac.
I did not have to grind any of the inserts, they all fit inside the alum. like 
they were made to do so. ;-) (I got lucky!)If I could have found some fender 
washers I might have been able to use 1/4" like Legacy uses/did use. but all 
that I could find were 1/2" washers. So I went with 3/8" inserts.
I know that someone out there may want to make there own mountings for the 
extruded alum. rails of the Legacy.  this method worked for me. I don't see why 
it wouldn't work for others?
Have a good night.C.A.G.


On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 11:08:25 PM EST, MWF  
wrote:  
 
 #yiv0679600525 #yiv0679600525 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv0679600525 Curtis,
Got it.  Very good job explaining your procedure (step by step).Did you have to 
grind any of the inserts down - so they would slide into the slot in the 
extrusion without rubbing?

Thanks.Mac

-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Jan 26, 2020 10:59 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.

 Hello Mac.I can take some more pictures if you like.(but I don't have any more 
pictures of this set up at this min.)
the idea was to mount onto the Legacy's extruded alum, rail. in this case its 
the large opening that I needed to mount to.  I found some 1/2" washers that 
were to large to slide into the rail, but would fit the slot of the extruded 
(the thickness of the slot in the alum.) I marked the edges of the slot, onto 
the washers. I put an all thread rod through the washers and using nuts, I 
wedged the washers together. then I mounted the washers in a vice, Then I cut 
the flats on the washers.(using a angle grinder) Once the washers were cut I 
made sure they would fit into the alum. rail.Next came the nut inserts, I used 
3/8" nut inserts, the hole of the washer were just over 1/2" (they are made to 
slide over a 1/2" rod.  the nut insert body is .508 so it fit nicely into the 
washer.My trick machine was just a long 3/8" bolt in my vice. I put a nut on 
the bolt, and then the insert , then came the washer, (over the insert), and 
then another 3/8" nut on the bolt. I used two adjustable wrenches and tightened 
down the nut, and backing the second nut to keep the insert in place. The 
insert squished/flaring the nut onto (or in) the washer, then I loosened the 
nuts and un-screwed the insert and washer as one piece.  The tool for 3/8" nut 
inserts is over $80.00. So for this time I decided to go home made. The Bolt 
worked well. there were some signs of ware on the bolt, so if I was going to do 
a lot of these I would use a new bolt every so often to make sure the threads 
don't pull out/off the bolt. After 8 the bolt was looking pretty worn.
I hope this helps?
C.A.G.On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 10:17:21 PM EST, MWF 
 wrote:  
 
 #yiv0679600525 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv0679600525 Yes, Curtis,
We want to know more.  Will you post either a sketch of what you did (how the 
pieces went together and how you made them stay together) or some photos 
showing the pieces in the various steps/stages of being machined and assembled?
Thanks.Mac

-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Jan 26, 2020 8:14 PM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.

 Hello again everyone.On the nut inserts that I used for my support bracket 
cost $11.00 for 50 on Amazon. I made my own tool for flaring them.  I used 
washers and flattened them down with a grinder.Anyone want to know more, Please 
ask.
C.A.G.On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 08:07:45 PM EST, 'Curt George' via 
Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:  
  Hello Mac.Tim had it made, I do not know any info. on how or who he had make 
these. only it was a present form him to me. (one that I am great-full for. 
I've spent many hour looking for this type of tape.)  You did note. it said 
Ornamental mills.com, Not Legacy.   Tim can be sneaky that way! ;-)
C.A.G.On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 07:58:39 PM EST, MWF 
 wrote:  
 #yiv0679600525 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv0679600525 Curtis,
Yes - I noticed the "OrnamentalMills.com" etched onto the measuring "tape" you 
applied to the side of the rail. 
I'm confident they are available - we just need to figure out where. 
Did you call Legacy - and ask them if they still source them?
Have a Blessed week!Mac

-----Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Jan 26, 2020 6:25 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.

 Thanks Mac.But honestly? Joe jealous of anything I have...? I just don't see 
it happening. ;-) 
The Ornamental mills tape, will be my pride and joy accessory . (I will use it 
every-time I use my mill.)  ;-) 
C.A.G.On Sunda

Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.

[MWF]

Curtis,Got it.  Very good job explaining your procedure (step by step).Did you have to grind any of the inserts down - so they would slide into the slot in the extrusion without rubbing?Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Jan 26, 2020 10:59 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.


Hello Mac.I can take some more pictures if you like.(but I don't have any more pictures of this set up at this min.)the idea was to mount onto the Legacy's extruded alum, rail. in this case its the large opening that I needed to mount to.  I found some 1/2" washers that were to large to slide into the rail, but would fit the slot of the extruded (the thickness of the slot in the alum.) I marked the edges of the slot, onto the washers. I put an all thread rod through the washers and using nuts, I wedged the washers together. then I mounted the washers in a vice, Then I cut the flats on the washers.(using a angle grinder) Once the washers were cut I made sure they would fit into the alum. rail.Next came the nut inserts, I used 3/8" nut inserts, the hole of the washer were just over 1/2" (they are made to slide over a 1/2" rod.  the nut insert body is .508 so it fit nicely into the washer.My trick machine was just a long 3/8" bolt in my vice. I put a nut on the bolt, and then the insert , then came the washer, (over the insert), and then another 3/8" nut on the bolt. I used two adjustable wrenches and tightened down the nut, and backing the second nut to keep the insert in place. The insert squished/flaring the nut onto (or in) the washer, then I loosened the nuts and un-screwed the insert and washer as one piece.  The tool for 3/8" nut inserts is over $80.00. So for this time I decided to go home made. The Bolt worked well. there were some signs of ware on the bolt, so if I was going to do a lot of these I would use a new bolt every so often to make sure the threads don't pull out/off the bolt. After 8 the bolt was looking pretty worn.I hope this helps?C.A.G.





On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 10:17:21 PM EST, MWF  wrote:



Yes, Curtis,We want to know more.  Will you post either a sketch of what you did (how the pieces went together and how you made them stay together) or some photos showing the pieces in the various steps/stages of being machined and assembled?Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Jan 26, 2020 8:14 PM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.


Hello again everyone.On the nut inserts that I used for my support bracket cost $11.00 for 50 on Amazon. I made my own tool for flaring them.  I used washers and flattened them down with a grinder.Anyone want to know more, Please ask.C.A.G.





On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 08:07:45 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:




Hello Mac.Tim had it made, I do not know any info. on how or who he had make these. only it was a present form him to me. (one that I am great-full for. I've spent many hour looking for this type of tape.)  You did note. it said Ornamental mills.com, Not Legacy.   Tim can be sneaky that way! ;-)C.A.G.





On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 07:58:39 PM EST, MWF  wrote:



Curtis,Yes - I noticed the "OrnamentalMills.com" etched onto the measuring "tape" you applied to the side of the rail. I'm confident they are available - we just need to figure out where. Did you call Legacy - and ask them if they still source them?Have a Blessed week!Mac-Original Message-----
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Jan 26, 2020 6:25 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.


Thanks Mac.But honestly? Joe jealous of anything I have...? I just don't see it happening. ;-) The Ornamental mills tape, will be my pride and joy accessory . (I will use it every-time I use my mill.)  ;-) C.A.G.





On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 04:48:21 PM EST, MWF  wrote:



Curtis,Thanks for sharing.  Be careful posting pics like the next to last one (end view of your Mill).You will send NY Joe into "Mill Envy"!!!Mac-Ori

RE: Thank you Tim & today's project.

[MWF]

Tim,Very nice work.  The BIG Deal on your tape - in addition to the "OrnamentalMills.com" of course - was the "USA"!I trust that that means "they" (assuming you had several made) were "Made in the USA" (Like we always hear the Woodpecker product videos state.)When I first looked at Curtis' pictures, I thought you had them etched with "OrnamentalMill$.com" (avoiding any chance of copyright or trademark issues.)  When I typed that into my browser it said "Hmm. We're having trouble finding that site." - so I tried OrnamentalMills.com which lead me to The Group's site.Thanks again for all you do.Mac-Original Message-
From: artmarb...@comcast.net
Sent: Jan 26, 2020 10:10 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Thank you Tim & today's project.

Great Curt, you’re welcome.  I had these made up for a project idea that did not pan out. Notice how fine the increment markings are?  The tapes are custom of my own design so of course I had to have our name put on them.




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Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.

[Tim Ziegler]

Nice Work Curtis,
Looking forward to your testing time.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
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On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 12:58 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello Everyone.
> First off I would like to Thank Tim Krause for the new center rule tape
> that he sent me.
>
> Today's project is are 4 support brackets for my Legacy. I am not sure if
> this was needed,(or if anyone else will need anything like this but Its my
> attempt to get rid of the play in the Legacy rails.) My theory is the
> support rails that Legacy made were made out of thin metal, bent and
> mounted onto the Extruded alum. rail. to hold everything together, since my
> new Z axis adds a lot of weight, I made these bracket to off set the weight
> and keep stability to my unit.
> I said this is a theory and has not been tested yet.  But some of the
> process might interest some of you.
> I made some "T" nuts of sorts, for the mounting of the new brackets to the
> Extruded alum. rail.
>
> I also made a new wooden handle for my Carriage, and a wooden stop for the
> linear rail.
> Please let me know what you think on any and or all of these ideas?
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.

[MWF]

Yes, Curtis,We want to know more.  Will you post either a sketch of what you did (how the pieces went together and how you made them stay together) or some photos showing the pieces in the various steps/stages of being machined and assembled?Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Jan 26, 2020 8:14 PM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.


Hello again everyone.On the nut inserts that I used for my support bracket cost $11.00 for 50 on Amazon. I made my own tool for flaring them.  I used washers and flattened them down with a grinder.Anyone want to know more, Please ask.C.A.G.





On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 08:07:45 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:




Hello Mac.Tim had it made, I do not know any info. on how or who he had make these. only it was a present form him to me. (one that I am great-full for. I've spent many hour looking for this type of tape.)  You did note. it said Ornamental mills.com, Not Legacy.   Tim can be sneaky that way! ;-)C.A.G.





On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 07:58:39 PM EST, MWF  wrote:



Curtis,Yes - I noticed the "OrnamentalMills.com" etched onto the measuring "tape" you applied to the side of the rail. I'm confident they are available - we just need to figure out where. Did you call Legacy - and ask them if they still source them?Have a Blessed week!Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Jan 26, 2020 6:25 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.


Thanks Mac.But honestly? Joe jealous of anything I have...? I just don't see it happening. ;-) The Ornamental mills tape, will be my pride and joy accessory . (I will use it every-time I use my mill.)  ;-) C.A.G.





On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 04:48:21 PM EST, MWF  wrote:



Curtis,Thanks for sharing.  Be careful posting pics like the next to last one (end view of your Mill).You will send NY Joe into "Mill Envy"!!!Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Jan 26, 2020 1:57 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Thank you Tim & today's project.

Hello Everyone.First off I would like to Thank Tim Krause for the new center rule tape that he sent me.Today's project is are 4 support brackets for my Legacy. I am not sure if this was needed,(or if anyone else will need anything like this but Its my attempt to get rid of the play in the Legacy rails.) My theory is the support rails that Legacy made were made out of thin metal, bent and mounted onto the Extruded alum. rail. to hold everything together, since my new Z axis adds a lot of weight, I made these bracket to off set the weight and keep stability to my unit.  I said this is a theory and has not been tested yet.  But some of the process might interest some of you.I made some "T" nuts of sorts, for the mounting of the new brackets to the Extruded alum. rail.I also made a new wooden handle for my Carriage, and a wooden stop for the linear rail. Please let me know what you think on any and or all of these ideas?C.A.G.



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RE: Thank you Tim & today's project.

[artmarbles]

Great Curt, you’re welcome.  I had these made up for a project idea that did 
not pan out. Notice how fine the increment markings are?  The tapes are custom 
of my own design so of course I had to have our name put on them.

 

 

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Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.

[MWF]

Curtis,Yes - I noticed the "OrnamentalMills.com" etched onto the measuring "tape" you applied to the side of the rail. I'm confident they are available - we just need to figure out where. Did you call Legacy - and ask them if they still source them?Have a Blessed week!Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Jan 26, 2020 6:25 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.


Thanks Mac.But honestly? Joe jealous of anything I have...? I just don't see it happening. ;-) The Ornamental mills tape, will be my pride and joy accessory . (I will use it every-time I use my mill.)  ;-) C.A.G.





On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 04:48:21 PM EST, MWF  wrote:



Curtis,Thanks for sharing.  Be careful posting pics like the next to last one (end view of your Mill).You will send NY Joe into "Mill Envy"!!!Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Jan 26, 2020 1:57 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Thank you Tim & today's project.

Hello Everyone.First off I would like to Thank Tim Krause for the new center rule tape that he sent me.Today's project is are 4 support brackets for my Legacy. I am not sure if this was needed,(or if anyone else will need anything like this but Its my attempt to get rid of the play in the Legacy rails.) My theory is the support rails that Legacy made were made out of thin metal, bent and mounted onto the Extruded alum. rail. to hold everything together, since my new Z axis adds a lot of weight, I made these bracket to off set the weight and keep stability to my unit.  I said this is a theory and has not been tested yet.  But some of the process might interest some of you.I made some "T" nuts of sorts, for the mounting of the new brackets to the Extruded alum. rail.I also made a new wooden handle for my Carriage, and a wooden stop for the linear rail. Please let me know what you think on any and or all of these ideas?C.A.G.



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Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Thanks Mac.But honestly? Joe jealous of anything I have...? I just don't see 
it happening. ;-) 
The Ornamental mills tape, will be my pride and joy accessory . (I will use it 
every-time I use my mill.)  ;-) 
C.A.G.
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 04:48:21 PM EST, MWF  
wrote:  
 
 #yiv7657034703 #yiv7657034703 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv7657034703 Curtis,Thanks 
for sharing.  
Be careful posting pics like the next to last one (end view of your Mill).You 
will send NY Joe into "Mill Envy"!!!Mac


-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Jan 26, 2020 1:57 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Thank you Tim & today's project.

Hello Everyone.First off I would like to Thank Tim Krause for the new center 
rule tape that he sent me.
Today's project is are 4 support brackets for my Legacy. I am not sure if this 
was needed,(or if anyone else will need anything like this but Its my attempt 
to get rid of the play in the Legacy rails.) My theory is the support rails 
that Legacy made were made out of thin metal, bent and mounted onto the 
Extruded alum. rail. to hold everything together, since my new Z axis adds a 
lot of weight, I made these bracket to off set the weight and keep stability to 
my unit.  I said this is a theory and has not been tested yet.  But some of the 
process might interest some of you.I made some "T" nuts of sorts, for the 
mounting of the new brackets to the Extruded alum. rail.
I also made a new wooden handle for my Carriage, and a wooden stop for the 
linear rail. Please let me know what you think on any and or all of these ideas?
C.A.G.

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Re: Thank you Tim & today's project.

[MWF]

Curtis,Thanks for sharing.  Be careful posting pics like the next to last one (end view of your Mill).You will send NY Joe into "Mill Envy"!!!Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Jan 26, 2020 1:57 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Thank you Tim & today's project.

Hello Everyone.First off I would like to Thank Tim Krause for the new center rule tape that he sent me.Today's project is are 4 support brackets for my Legacy. I am not sure if this was needed,(or if anyone else will need anything like this but Its my attempt to get rid of the play in the Legacy rails.) My theory is the support rails that Legacy made were made out of thin metal, bent and mounted onto the Extruded alum. rail. to hold everything together, since my new Z axis adds a lot of weight, I made these bracket to off set the weight and keep stability to my unit.  I said this is a theory and has not been tested yet.  But some of the process might interest some of you.I made some "T" nuts of sorts, for the mounting of the new brackets to the Extruded alum. rail.I also made a new wooden handle for my Carriage, and a wooden stop for the linear rail. Please let me know what you think on any and or all of these ideas?C.A.G.



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