Re: candy dish
Hi Tim You don't need a Legacy for making a Hollow Spiral just take a look at Stuart Mortimer who believe me is a genius at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDD0ZQzPNt8 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDD0ZQzPNt8] Also watch this video by Stuart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5kKJpR9xSI [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5kKJpR9xSI] He does have a Legacy 1200 and I know as I sold it to him a good few years ago. He basically marks up the piece of timber then gets to work using an ArborTech followed by rasps and very long twists of various grade sandpaper. I am lucky enough to belong to the Stuart Mortimer Woodturning Club and so I have seen him in action and see his marvellous work every month when the club meets. Enjoy Roger From: Tim Krause Received: 12/08/2016 02:45:24 +01:00 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Good comment Dexter, I'm going to admit something as your fearless leader, I've never done a spiral! Is there a lot of sanding involved when doing a twist? I'm guessing the quickest way would be to use some cloth backed sandpaper strips and go up the grits. Can anyone please share some experience here. -Tim - Original Message - From: Dexter Bland [mailto:dexterbl...@gmail.com] To: Legacy Ornamental Mills [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:09 AM Subject: Re: candy dish Stan, Very nice work. The wood appears to be walnut. I'm sure lots of time sanding the spindles. What kind of finish did you use? Some poly or tongue oil? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Some Ideas - Barbed Wire
The reason Bill has barbed wire around his property is that his neighbours want to protect their trees from their neighbour with a chain saw! Just as a matter of interest this link will educate one about Texas Bob War http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/FOLKLORE/1998-05/0894457935 [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/FOLKLORE/1998-05/0894457935] Curt what is Smoke Bush, is this it Cotinus Coggria https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/details?plantid=559 [https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/details?plantid=559] because in my last property we had this rather large shrub that grew to about 8 feet tall and the same circumference? Regards Retire Roger From: MAX LATHAM Received: 20/09/2016 04:35:03 +01:00 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Yes, but venison is a dietary staple where I live. Is kangaroo a protected species? And delightfully edible? max From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com on behalf of Bill Bulkeley Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:32 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Some Ideas - Barbed Wire I used to run a few head of cattle a long time ago and barb wire was the only thing apart from electric that kept them in. Now days all that is on my property is kangaroos and I can’t keep them out they jump over fences. I guess it’s like deer over where you are they jump fences don’t they Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MWF Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 11:22 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Some Ideas - Barbed Wire Bill, Why is your property surrounded by barbed wire? To keep the kids in, or the animals out? If it's the animals, what kind? Mac -Original Message- From: Bill Bulkeley Sent: Sep 19, 2016 4:16 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Some Ideas - Barbed Wire Yes I know barbed wire my property is surrounded by it I was just wondering if bob wire was a special sort . Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MWF Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 4:50 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Some Ideas - Barbed Wire Bill, That's a sort of "joke" - it's how a Texan (person living in Texas) would "pronounce" the term "barbed wire". Barbed wire is a strand-style fencing wire used to keep the animal(s) from trying to get out of the fenced in area. It is essentially two strong wires twisted around each other with short pieces of wire inserted in between the strands every 2 - 4 inches. These short pieces stick out from the main strand about an inch and their tips are sharp - so they deliver pain if the animal presses up against it. Have a Wonderful week. Mac -Original Message- From: Bill Bulkeley Sent: Sep 18, 2016 11:11 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Some Ideas Texan "bob war"? Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MAX LATHAM Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 12:56 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some Ideas OK, Curt, as you can see, the stump has been reduced in order to fit onto the saw carriage. Also, notice a square hole. Therein lies a problem, barbed wire (Texan "bob war") is present indicating a crosscut avoiding the wire thus creating material for bowls, carving etc. The remainder is to be plain sawed with 1" at the top and bottom and a series of cuts from 2" to 4" and allowing columns, flat slabs to bowls etc. The crotch is to be sized for the saw carriage by reducing the long leg and also a cross cut to remove yet another piece of wire then flat sawing what's left in varying thicknesses, mostly for surfaces, tops, drawers etc. Reason for only 2 pics; IT wouldn't load anymore GBs. The remainder of the tree is to be turned into a live edged kitchen table with crotch for legs and whatever. max From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com on behalf of CURTIS GEORGE Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:21 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some Ideas Hey Max. I can only see two pictures. That stump looks very nice, any idea on how you will cut it? C.A.G. From: "MAX LATHAM" To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:43:12 PM Subject: Fw: Some Ideas I, too, am a scrounger with a barn full of wonderful projects. And as far as sealing the log end, I can't afford that much lacquer thinner for ends so, I frequent the paint/hardware stores for "mis-match" and if it cost more then $5/gallon, I just wait. I use latex paint and find it to work well to prevent/ lessen checking. Most recent is a pecan stump/root which is spalted (I think). Should make come fine saw dust! (the third pic is a work in progress, infl
Re: improvements to my 1200 (and you can do this too)
May I suggest a simpler solution, it will cost I guess about $70.00, and that is the Router Raizer from http://www.routertechnologies.com/routerraizer.htm [http://www.routertechnologies.com/routerraizer.htm] They also make the Xtreme Xtension that was mentioned last week. Bob who owns and runs the business is always helpful and keen to solve problem. Proof of that being the Xtreme Xtension which he designed a few years ago for me to sell in the UK and naturally for the US market. Cheers Retired Roger From: Russ Veinot Received: 22/09/2016 09:17:07 +01:00 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com I just added a hand crank to my router for the “Z” axis to make setting depth of cut much easier and more accurate. All this with a standard plunge router. This is a proto-type and in the next week or so I will build a nicer version with a couple of small changes. For one, I am adding a 6” ruler scale to side where I stand so I can see the depth of cut as I adjust it. I just added a cabinet under the unit for storage and improved the table height adjustment so now I can set the table height accurately, level, using no tools, and can do it in under three minutes. I am also working on a clamping table design to be able to clamp any shape instantly and safely, both horizontal and vertical. All coming soon, I hope. I hope to also start doing videos of these improvements and some tricks using the legacy instead of other woodworking machines. _ Y -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Balls
Hi Bill Thanks for flagging this video. So here on a wet Monday morning/afternoon in UK retirement land I have sat and watch it plus one or two more of Alan Stratton's very informative videos on Balls and even off-set Duck turning. Now like all good retirees I must go and have a snooze! Cheers Retired Roger From: Bill Bulkeley Received: 26/09/2016 11:00:54 +01:00 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com I think the lowest cost method to do a wooden ball is to go back to your lathe and follow this method https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lConTQ-cUw [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lConTQ-cUw] Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis Sent: Monday, 26 September 2016 6:35 PM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Cc: curtgeo...@wowway.com Subject: Re: Balls Hi Curtis I like the idea of a round over bit, but far too costly. At present I am using a 12 inch 2 flute milling cutter. When I round over a square bit of wood it leaves an almost perfect finish. It is the first time I have tried using milling cutters, it wont be the last !! I have made sure that the carriage and router plate has no play. I think after I do the round over at the end of the stock it is not too far out, when I do the other part of the ball I think as it gets towards the end of its job the wood may flex away and make it different curve. I can as a last resort use the other lathe. See pics of Three of the 18 skittles and other lathe Richard On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 2:02:14 AM UTC+1, Curtis wrote: Richard instead of using a template, have you tried to using just a round over bit on this spindle? If you cut one edge with a round over bit, then just move the carriage over to make your second cut, if you do things right, you should have a pretty close to perfect ball, with just a nub to cut off from the spindle. I think Bill is right, The slop in the works (that is rails,or carriage, is why your balls and not coming out perfectly round. Between you and me. I find that the craft stores are selling wooden balls for much cheaper then I can make one for... I also believe that if your take your egg shaped balls, you can make those round off of a sander with-out much troubles. Perhaps the WC is not the best suited machine for this job? Again I wish you luck. talk to you more latter. C.A.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. img_c13q1ao4 Description: Binary data
Producing an ellipse
Has any one in the group any suggestions for producing an ellipse on a flat board WITHOUT USING A TEMPLATE OR DOING IT FREEHAND. Basically what I am hoping to locate is a jig idea or a stroke of genius. What I am planning to make is a jewellery box with an ellipse shaped lid or some form of ellipse shaped design feature. The ellipse will be around 9" by 6" and I will be using my recently acquired Model 900. Yes I finally got a Model 900, not bad considering that in my time as Legacy's agent here in Europe I sold over 100 manual machines and a number of CNC. I found that when I was running my business that I never had time to pursue woodworking as a hobby. Then in my first couple of years of retirement that I also never had time due to moving house and then getting a workshop and sorting out the garden. But now I am hoping to use this Legacy and get back to woodturning. Cheers Roger -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Finally giving it up. 1500EX LOM
Hi Bill Remember old adage, something is worth what someone else is prepared to pay. I would have said a minimum of $1,500.00 but because of what is offered I would expect around $2,500.00. However don't forget you have to factor in who wins the Whitehouse Race because that will effect how much disposable income will be floating around in the near future. Having just gone through BREXIT over here and voted to come out of the European Union that has effected our market place with imports from the USA going up by at least 10% due to violent change in exchange rate of £ against the Dollar. Before BREXIT the exchange rate was £1.00 = $1.40, now £1.00 = $1.238 today. There was nothing wrong with the European Union except the politicians, many of whom have never done a days work in their lives, who wanted to make it into a United States of Europe with all the control being with in-elected people in Brussels. This was not what people like me had signed up to 40 years ago. Enough of my ramblings. By the way Curtiss recommended a book recently "The Hundred Year Old Man Who Climbed Out Of The Window" by Jonas Jonasson. Having read it I would highly recommend it plus another book by same author "Hitman Anders and the meaning of it all" . We are just trying to broaden your education and interests. Cheers Roger From: Bill Bulkeley Received: 03/11/2016 07:05:15 +00:00 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Don I think your mill is worth around $2500 to $3000 what do all you guys out there think Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Butler Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 5:27 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Finally giving it up. 1500EX LOM Curt, Here's the parts and pieces. Don On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 9:40 AM, CURTIS GEORGE mailto:curtgeo...@wowway.com]> wrote: I am very sad to hear that you are not doing well Don. If you like I can convert your VHS tapes into DVD for you. (just e-mail me off line curtgeo...@wowway.com [mailto:curtgeo...@wowway.com] ) As far as the price for your 1500 ??? I will do some home work for you and try to get you a good / fair price range for you. Dose your 1500 have the ball bearing head stock? or is it the older bushing stile? Perhaps some pictures of your machine and parts, posted here might help come up with a price range? I hope to hear form you soon. Have the best day possible. and take care. C.A.G. From: "Don Butler" mailto:don33but...@gmail.com]> To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]> Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 8:54:34 AM Subject: Finally giving it up. 1500EX LOM I have owned this mill for years. I've enjoyed it immensely. It has power feed, horizontal table, many gears, a lot of big carbide bits and a hefty Makita router. It also sits on a shop made rolling base. I'm now 83 years old and have been diagnosed with a disease that spells the end of my using this great machine. What I need is some advice about what to ask for it. I'm out of touch with the market. I know Legacy no longer makes the old style mill. I looked around the Internet and found a wide spread of prices. Can any of you help me establish some reasonable value for it? It is fully functional and definitely not badly worn. By the way, I still have the four video tapes showing the assembly and use of it. If it would help sell the machine I could convert them to CDs. I live in NW Pennsylvania in a small town South of Erie. Don -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you a
Re: Gears for rotary table
Hi Joe Please enlighten us on how $50.00 gets a turntable or was something missing from your email? Regards Roger From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Received: 13/11/2016 19:35:45 +00:00 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills how about a rotary table?...$50.00 gets you there...quick, easy and very accurate -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gears for rotary table
Hi Joe Whose Rotary Table did you use and what was the cost? Cheers Roger From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Received: 14/11/2016 13:13:45 +00:00 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Richard, I have two rotary tables mounted on my legacy and have had no dust issues to date...and they are exposed more to the dust than a rotary table that would be beneath a round disc...plus they are well sealed themselves...no gear exposure at all...certainly a better dust proofing set up than the original legacy circular table with it's exposed gears...and with the built in indexing and degree wheel, it was perfect for us...attached photo shows the rotary table on our "Z" axis...a plate was then mounted to the table and a router to the plate...and this particular table can also tilt, which if used for the circular table accessory, might create some interesting capabilities and designs...what ever you decide, I hope it does the job for you...please post a follow up...joe biunno . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Miniature spindles
Hi Bill This I like, even more so because I have nearly all the Easy Wood Tools from when I bought the product line to the UK way back. Nice find. Merry Christmas and a Healthy & Prosperous New Year to one and all, not only to those that contribute but also those that lurk, for one day they may break cover and contribute. Cheers Roger From: Bill Bulkeley Received: 23/12/2016 11:12:51 +00:00 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com This is not a terribly difficult thing to make here is a guy who made a copy attachment for a lathe http://lumberjocks.com/Sawdustonmyshoulder/blog/47785#comment-2047377 [http://lumberjocks.com/Sawdustonmyshoulder/blog/47785#comment-2047377] Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kratky Sent: Friday, 23 December 2016 12:14 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Miniature spindles Richard, look around for some woodturning clubs in your area there you’ll most likely to find someone with a duplicator. I belong to 4 such clubs within 2 ½ hours of me. Michael From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 1:21 PM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: Miniature spindles Thanks for the reply Michael, it seems very good but very expensive for my set-up Interesting though. Mike I still can't see how I would keep the cutter at right angles to the pattern, after all the unit seems to be free of any backstop,un- like the homemade one in the Videos I will have to see if there is one near me to have a look at. Richard On Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 3:40:45 PM UTC, Michael Kratky wrote: Mike A bold statement, I have used the Shop Smith have you ever used a Vega? Michael From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Okla Mike (Liltwisted) Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:22 AM To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Miniature spindles That is the beauty of the Shop Smith duplicator. You are able to not only get to the 90º but way past as well. I have even made captured rings with the Shop Smith. This ability to duplicate way beyond the "downhill" is why I don't own a Vega. Richard, you should be able to make one yourself. As long as you have the cutter and the follower perpendicular to each other, it will be like cutting a key. If there is a 90º in the original or in the pattern, it will be there as well in the finish product. This will be especially needed on your 1/4" dowel shoulder. Here is a video of adapting the SM Dup to another lathe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSYJ0eq1sSg [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSYJ0eq1sSg] Enjoy. Mike OK On 12/22/2016 8:07 AM, Michael Kratky wrote: Richard, I use a Vega Duplicator for such tasks, can’t imagine any turner not having one, just make sure all of your cuts are downhill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tzKazf-vUY [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tzKazf-vUY] Cheers, Michael Kratky From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:17 AM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: Miniature spindles The Shopsmith duplicator looks a good idea --but and a big BUT how do you keep the hand held unit at 90 deg to the work and also the pattern,, Is it the case of keeping it square by eye. If that is the case I am sure I can make a similar copier to go on my Record lathe.. Richard On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 3:37:09 PM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote: My son-in-law asked me if I could get these small spindles made 10 required Approx Dia. 1/2" by 1"long with a dowel at each end 1/4" Dia by 1/4" long A bit on the small side for the Woodchuck !!! Tried on my Record lathe and could not get two the same, I did however get a good dose of backache -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://g
Re: Miniature spindles
Hi Richard My 900 is waiting for Easter 2017 to arrive as I am busy sorting my workshop, but thanks for asking. Cheers Roger From: Richard Ellis Received: 23/12/2016 12:31:59 +00:00 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills CC: bulke...@mmnet.com.au, Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com Yes I agree that is more my cup of tea. Thanks Bill Roger how are you getting on with the 900?? Richard On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 11:18:29 AM UTC, ITwoodwork wrote: Hi Bill This I like, even more so because I have nearly all the Easy Wood Tools from when I bought the product line to the UK way back. Nice find. Merry Christmas and a Healthy & Prosperous New Year to one and all, not only to those that contribute but also those that lurk, for one day they may break cover and contribute. Cheers Roger From: Bill Bulkeley Received: 23/12/2016 11:12:51 +00:00 To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com This is not a terribly difficult thing to make here is a guy who made a copy attachment for a lathe http://lumberjocks.com/Sawdustonmyshoulder/blog/47785#comment-2047377 [http://lumberjocks.com/Sawdustonmyshoulder/blog/47785#comment-2047377] Bill From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kratky Sent: Friday, 23 December 2016 12:14 PM To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Miniature spindles Richard, look around for some woodturning clubs in your area there you’ll most likely to find someone with a duplicator. I belong to 4 such clubs within 2 ½ hours of me. Michael From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 1:21 PM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: Miniature spindles Thanks for the reply Michael, it seems very good but very expensive for my set-up Interesting though. Mike I still can't see how I would keep the cutter at right angles to the pattern, after all the unit seems to be free of any backstop,un- like the homemade one in the Videos I will have to see if there is one near me to have a look at. Richard On Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 3:40:45 PM UTC, Michael Kratky wrote: Mike A bold statement, I have used the Shop Smith have you ever used a Vega? Michael From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Okla Mike (Liltwisted) Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:22 AM To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Miniature spindles That is the beauty of the Shop Smith duplicator. You are able to not only get to the 90º but way past as well. I have even made captured rings with the Shop Smith. This ability to duplicate way beyond the "downhill" is why I don't own a Vega. Richard, you should be able to make one yourself. As long as you have the cutter and the follower perpendicular to each other, it will be like cutting a key. If there is a 90º in the original or in the pattern, it will be there as well in the finish product. This will be especially needed on your 1/4" dowel shoulder. Here is a video of adapting the SM Dup to another lathe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSYJ0eq1sSg [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSYJ0eq1sSg] Enjoy. Mike OK On 12/22/2016 8:07 AM, Michael Kratky wrote: Richard, I use a Vega Duplicator for such tasks, can’t imagine any turner not having one, just make sure all of your cuts are downhill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tzKazf-vUY [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tzKazf-vUY] Cheers, Michael Kratky From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:17 AM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: Miniature spindles The Shopsmith duplicator looks a good idea --but and a big BUT how do you keep the hand held unit at 90 deg to the work and also the pattern,, Is it the case of keeping it square by eye. If that is the case I am sure I can make a similar copier to go on my Record lathe.. Richard On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 3:37:09 PM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote: My son-in-law asked me if I could get these small spindles made 10 required Approx Dia. 1/2" by 1"long with a dowel at each end 1/4" Dia by 1/4" long A bit on the small side for the Woodchuck !!! Tried on my Record lathe and could not get two the same, I did however get a good dose of backache -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google
RE: Miniature spindles
Hi Bill & Richard I reckon I sold well past a 100 manual Legacy machines plus some CNC also. Funnily the 900 I bought from Alan was one that I had sold probably 8 to 10 or even 12 years ago and the reason I know this is that it has a router cutter ding in the top frame rail and the Index Gear has coloured spots when setting up demos at shows. It is parked on the back wall of my 16' long by 12' deep workshop waiting for me to get to it. But before I get to it I have a number of jobs to do including hanging a very heavy fireproof door plus rearranging my workshop layout, I think I am my fourth layout at present but it is far from optimised. Cheers Roger From: Bill Bulkeley Received: 23/12/2016 20:02:07 +00:00 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com After all the mills that have passed through your hands roger its nice you will now actually own one Bill that I added to help me From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bawdsey 64 Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2016 1:00 AM steve.sheri...@jsp.co.uk [mailto:steve.sheri...@jsp.co.uk] To: Richard Ellis; Mike Pung Subject: Re: Miniature spindles Hi Richard My 900 is waiting for Easter 2017 to arrive as I am busy sorting my workshop, but thanks for asking. Cheers Roger From: Richard Ellis Received: 23/12/2016 12:31:59 +00:00 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills CC: bulke...@mmnet.com.au, Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com Yes I agree that is more my cup of tea. Thanks Bill Roger how are you getting on with the 900?? Richard On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 11:18:29 AM UTC, ITwoodwork wrote: Hi Bill This I like, even more so because I have nearly all the Easy Wood Tools from when I bought the product line to the UK way back. Nice find. Merry Christmas and a Healthy & Prosperous New Year to one and all, not only to those that contribute but also those that lurk, for one day they may break cover and contribute. Cheers Roger From: Bill Bulkeley Received: 23/12/2016 11:12:51 +00:00 To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com This is not a terribly difficult thing to make here is a guy who made a copy attachment for a lathe http://lumberjocks.com/Sawdustonmyshoulder/blog/47785#comment-2047377 [http://lumberjocks.com/Sawdustonmyshoulder/blog/47785#comment-2047377] Bill From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kratky Sent: Friday, 23 December 2016 12:14 PM To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Miniature spindles Richard, look around for some woodturning clubs in your area there you’ll most likely to find someone with a duplicator. I belong to 4 such clubs within 2 ½ hours of me. Michael From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 1:21 PM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: Miniature spindles Thanks for the reply Michael, it seems very good but very expensive for my set-up Interesting though. Mike I still can't see how I would keep the cutter at right angles to the pattern, after all the unit seems to be free of any backstop,un- like the homemade one in the Videos I will have to see if there is one near me to have a look at. Richard On Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 3:40:45 PM UTC, Michael Kratky wrote: Mike A bold statement, I have used the Shop Smith have you ever used a Vega? Michael From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Okla Mike (Liltwisted) Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:22 AM To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Miniature spindles That is the beauty of the Shop Smith duplicator. You are able to not only get to the 90º but way past as well. I have even made captured rings with the Shop Smith. This ability to duplicate way beyond the "downhill" is why I don't own a Vega. Richard, you should be able to make one yourself. As long as you have the cutter and the follower perpendicular to each other, it will be like cutting a key. If there is a 90º in the original or in the pattern, it will be there as well in the finish product. This will be especially needed on your 1/4" dowel shoulder. Here is a video of adapting the SM Dup to another lathe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSYJ0eq1sSg [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSYJ0eq1sSg] Enjoy. Mike OK On 12/22/2016 8:07 AM, Michael Kratky wrote: Richard, I use a Vega Duplicator for such tasks, can’t imagine any turner not having one, just make sure all of your cuts are downhill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tzKazf-vUY [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tzKazf-vUY] Cheers, Michael Kratky From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:17 AM To: Legacy Ornam
Re: Comparison chart
Hi Richard I like Mac's take on what Trump brings to America just as I like what Theresa May is trying to do over here. Both could be a breath of fresh air. So I do not see this as political, I see it as a Comparison Chart of what Barak has done and what Donald might do. We, who are not in America, should appreciate a comparison between what Republicans will give compared to what Democrats have delivered over the last eight years. Or to put it another way we are looking at what a business man sees that his country needs versus a man who has never had a had a "job". Barak is what I term a professional politian just like Corbin of the UK Labour party, neither has ever had a real job or served in the armed forces. So sit back and enjoy the ride and let us see what both Donald and Theresa can do in their respective countries. Regards Euro Roger From: Richard Ellis Received: 20/01/2017 08:30:14 +00:00 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills CC: mwfos...@earthlink.net No politics I was led to believe when I joined this forum. However give the man a chance to encourage the home manufacturing . And I wish they would do the same in the U.K. On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 7:07:36 PM UTC, Va Oak wrote: Bill, Thanks for posting that brochure. I have saved it to my computer for future reference. GREAT reference material for seeing what all was available back then as far as Mills and their accessories are concerned. We are about to FINALLY, after 8 years, get a PRESIDENT who will LEAD - and Make America GREAT Again! His Inauguration is Friday at noon, Washington, DC time. It is wonderful living in a nation where we execute a peaceful transfer of power/changing of administrations after we hold elections every 4 years. We do have a number of "cry babies" (their candidate did not win and they are not mature enough to accept the results) who plan to do their best to disrupt the ceremonies. I suspect there are left-wing fringe groups that are behind the effort to whip up trouble - but our left-leaning media do not research & report on that. That being said, the Presidential Inauguration ceremony is quite an event to witness, whether in person or on TV. Let's all pray that it goes without incident (e.g. a terrorist "attack", etc.). Have a wonderful weekend. Mac -Original Message- >From: Bill Bulkeley >Sent: Jan 19, 2017 4:50 AM >To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com >Subject: RE: Comparison chart > >Here's a old legacy catalogue the revo is not on here but some of the other >models are and the older steel rail models are not here they were out dated at >the time of this catalogues printing. Unless your doing really large work i >recommend the 900 or the revo >Bill > > >-Original Message- >From: legacy-ornamental-mills@ of thegooglegroups.com >[http://thegooglegroups.com] [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] >On Behalf Of Jim Riggen >Sent: Thursday, 19 January 2017 1:47 PM >To: Legacy Ornamental Mills >Subject: Comparison chart > >I'm searching for a legacy mill and have a problem. There are too many models! >Does anyone know of a comparison chart that would help me figure things out? >For instance, which models can do left and right hand spirals, or which can do >tapers, etc. > >Jim Franklin was right - when the "Takers" outnumber the "Makers" - the Republic is DOOMED! "When the people find that they can vote themselves money - that will herald the end of The Republic." Benjamin Franklin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: aluminum extrusions
Well I have not researched it because I have had direct from Andy Anderson that it was a custom extrusion. When Legacy were making lots of manual machines they were buying it in volume and then along came a recession and Legacy's volume of material dived and the price went sky high. Guess what happened next, along came CNC and Legacy moved out of manual machines and was the reason they survived. I hope that helps. Euro Roger From: rob Stoddard Received: 21/01/2017 02:50:50 +00:00 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Has anyone ever researched and found who made the extruded aluminium rails for like the 900 mill? Just asking. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: aluminum extrusions
Hi Joe Interesting and fairly accurate analysis of what happened. Cheers Euro Roger. From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Received: 22/01/2017 10:05:30 +00:00 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills ok, here's my two-cents worth regarding the rail issue...did a good amount of research into this subject...here are some facts and some guesses...the rails were custom made/extruded, which involved custom molds...i was told that the extruding company was charging legacy a mold "maintenance" fee, which was getting to be costly for legacy, especially since they had phased out using that custom profile...so they decided to abandon the mold(s) and the extruding company destroyed/recycled the mold(s)...i will take a guess as to the choice of using a custom profile,rather than 80/20, for example, was to work with all the other legacy parts and how they were engineered, and to keep the rail propitiatory...so others could not easily copy it(can you say "chinese"...LOL)...Bill is correct when saying the only way to get any railing is to find a donor machine...might be a bit pricey, but if your lucky you might find a machine with a lot of accessories that you can sell and recoup a good portion of the purchase price(you might even break even!)...i was told there were more than 10,000 machines sold over the years, how many had aluminum rails, i do not know, but still, that's a big number to find what you might need...as far as using 80/20 rail, setting up a linear rail in combination with the 80/20 is not overly difficult and is a nice upgrade to the machine anyway...but getting the 80/20 rail to work with the vertical legs/"supports", headstock, tailstock, cross braces, accessories. etc., etc. of the legacy, might be impossible or very difficult...and i was under the impression legacy is currently using an easily available rail( 80/20?) on their newer CNC machines...and in regard to legacy abandoning their older machines(and not here to defend what they did, just to understand it), it was not the norm for a company to do...but then again legacy was not on a scale like delta, powermatic, dewalt, porter cable, etcmy guess, there just was not enough requests to warrant manufacturing parts, storing them, logistics, etc. for those parts, on an economic/profitability level...especially since there were only a relatively small group of people who wanted those parts/accessories...not good for previous customer relations, but a survival technique, nonetheless, especially considering the economic climate at the time (2008?)...anyway. just some of what i have picked up over the years...joe biunno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Corbels
Very nice find Richard. Cheers Roger From: Richard Ellis Received: 13/02/2017 11:05:13 +00:00 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Thanks Curt and Bill, Bill that is the way I intend to do it, however the cost of that cutter rules it out--- just not sensible for two corbels. I may finish up doing it in a stack system using a half round cutter on the individual sections. May also have to resort to hand gouge and mallet But I think the rotary table may be used. If I can find the right cutter without spending too much. I chap over here has made a router mill, don't know if you can view it over there http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/making-spiral-legs-on-the-cheap-t101497.html [http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/making-spiral-legs-on-the-cheap-t101497.html] Made mostly out of ply Richard On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 11:26:51 PM UTC, aussiman wrote: I agree curt, cut the shape out on the bandsaw and finish it on the spindle sander then mount it laying sideways on a table on the legacy and rout the grooves using this bit https://www.magnate.net/SearchResults.asp?Cat=230197 [https://www.magnate.net/SearchResults.asp?Cat=230197] that’s how I would attempt it Bill From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE Sent: Monday, 13 February 2017 9:56 AM To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Corbels Hello Again Richard another way of making a corbel is to use the Legacy and its template follower to cut the design out. I just thought of another way. Use a band-saw. scroll saw, or coping saw, or even a jig saw, and cut out your basic shape out of wood, and then use the Legacy as an over-head router system. this way you could use templates, and or just your router bits with bearings, to cut and finish /shape your corbels. Good Luck on this project. talk to you more latter. C.A.G. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com [http://www.avg.com/email-signature] Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/13940 - Release Date: 02/12/17 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Corbels
Hi Richard I dug a little deeper and I think this is the guy's website for the wooden twister, plenty of content and instruction.. http://www.seafax.co.uk/index.php?id=router-lathe [http://www.seafax.co.uk/index.php?id=router-lathe] Cheers Roger From: Richard Ellis Received: 13/02/2017 11:05:13 +00:00 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Thanks Curt and Bill, Bill that is the way I intend to do it, however the cost of that cutter rules it out--- just not sensible for two corbels. I may finish up doing it in a stack system using a half round cutter on the individual sections. May also have to resort to hand gouge and mallet But I think the rotary table may be used. If I can find the right cutter without spending too much. I chap over here has made a router mill, don't know if you can view it over there http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/making-spiral-legs-on-the-cheap-t101497.html [http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/making-spiral-legs-on-the-cheap-t101497.html] Made mostly out of ply Richard On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 11:26:51 PM UTC, aussiman wrote: I agree curt, cut the shape out on the bandsaw and finish it on the spindle sander then mount it laying sideways on a table on the legacy and rout the grooves using this bit https://www.magnate.net/SearchResults.asp?Cat=230197 [https://www.magnate.net/SearchResults.asp?Cat=230197] that’s how I would attempt it Bill From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE Sent: Monday, 13 February 2017 9:56 AM To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Corbels Hello Again Richard another way of making a corbel is to use the Legacy and its template follower to cut the design out. I just thought of another way. Use a band-saw. scroll saw, or coping saw, or even a jig saw, and cut out your basic shape out of wood, and then use the Legacy as an over-head router system. this way you could use templates, and or just your router bits with bearings, to cut and finish /shape your corbels. Good Luck on this project. talk to you more latter. C.A.G. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com [http://www.avg.com/email-signature] Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/13940 - Release Date: 02/12/17 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Help
Hi Richard Well I be jiggered if they came from Legacy or Shopsmith. I certainly don't recognise it as part of a Legacy REVO and I did not have anything like it on my Shopsmith. Mystified. Regards Roger From: Richard Ellis Received: 04/09/2017 19:15:46 +01:00 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills The items shown came with the Revo when I bought it. Has anyone an idea what it's for ?? The bit on top is MDF as is the rest of it. Am wondering if it belong to a Shopsmith. Thanks Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Legacy mill under water
If they got a water proof router they could work it under water and then all the chippings and dust would float away. I liked the comment about depth gauge but they don't measure up to 7 foot plus, I think the limit is 12" and companies like Wixey, iGaging etc will have like replacements. Regards Roger From: Brigitte Graham Received: 05/09/2017 11:01:17 +01:00 To: legacy-ornamental-mills Couldn't find this picture on Face book b.y searching "legacy under 7.5 feet of water" Any one else seen it? [http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail] Virus-free. www.avg.com [http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail] [#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2] On 5 September 2017 at 10:46, mailto:jwb...@windstream.net]> wrote: One thing I forgot to mention in the original message is he has the z-axis upgrade. Anyone know where he can find the digital depth gauge? jwb...@windstream.net [mailto:jwb...@windstream.net] wrote: > Someone that is in a facebook group has a Legacy mill, that was under 7.5 > feet of water. I am wondering if anyone has had this problem and what he > should look for when cleaning his up? Thanks > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. > To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills > [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: New Revo owner, excited befuddlement
Hi Andy First of all the ToolMule is a tool holder sold by Craft Supplies just up the road from Legacy, nice colour co-ordinated item. The REVO was a good idea and an excellent product, it was designed as the entry level machine for the Legacy manual mill range. From your pictures you seem to have all of it. Is it worth having, if you paid $500 I would say yes but I suspect you got it for next to nothing so get a manual and assemble it and get enjoying it. The only compromise between that and the bigger machines is really the scale of what you can do. Regards Roger By the way I sold over 30 of them here in the UK From: Andy Guss Received: 19/10/2017 20:49:16 +01:00 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Hello Group of flattery loving super geniuses, Just kidding. That was for Okla Mike. The rest of you have to earn it! A few months ago I bought a legacy mill at a public auction from a school district a little north of me here in Utah. I knew it was a Legacy mill of some sort, but I wasn't sure which one. The pictures were from weird angles, and the people selling it clearly had no idea what it was. It was labeled as Miscellaneous Mule Tool Accessories, which may explain why the bidding was slim. I am not sure which school had it or if they ever used it for anything. My guess is that they got part way through assembling it and either got confused, frustrated, or both and gave up. Some parts look like they may have been used some, but I am not sure they built it properly and it seems like at least a few of the essential parts never got out of their baggies. The auction included most of an assembled Revo, three boxes of various accessory parts, a few parts that clearly don't go with it. So, here are my questions for the group: 1. What can you tell me about the Revo. I know the information listed on the Legacy site, and I know it cost a lot less than most of their other models. Is this the version nobody wants because it just can't do anything right? Or, is this a really functional tool in an extremely convenient size for my little basement room where I would love to use it and where there is definitely no space for a larger mill? 2. Does it look like I have most of the essential parts necessary to bring this up and running? (as of writing this I am not 100% sure how I will share pictures since some are on picasa and some are on google drive. Picasa album of pictures from when I first got it- Legacy Mill pictures on Picasa [https://get.google.com/albumarchive/106688000846949045850/album/AF1QipOsDNrgef74tyeiEEItV9lSQvYNzEX_NvNFZPAf?authKey=CKDV1PXBzcuvnQE] , Google drive album of pictures from this morning -Legacy Mill pictures on Drive [https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4XBt4YivUymQVBJRnZ5NG5RQU0] 3. Is it worth putting the time in to build this properly and get it up and running? 4. In terms of what can be done with a standard Legacy ornamental mill, What are the strengths and weaknesses of the Revo? Can it only do 3 of the 12 main functions for example, or is it as versatile as the other, larger machines? Thank you! Andy [https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/wNrMH3Es8PdWzxucbqg_xLUTNcvgmZvVEI6yu59AxF8wq9ejlkORaKN6iPpwmKIGyQG41Q=s400] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
If you have not been watching!
Greetings from across the pond! One of the nice things about being retired is that I get time to sit and read emails that contain the thoughts of people on a variety of subjects. One of the subject’s that this group seems to love, from time to time, is to just “Let’s knock Legacy” because they cannot think of anything constructive. So put in my best and politest English the subject has become bloody boring and monotonous. Please change the record and instead of looking backwards all the time, try to look forward and tell us what you can do with your machines. Better still show us how you have improved it. Plus I have a challenge for those who claim they could build a better manual Legacy type machine. Please go and do just that. What I would want to see is a machine that could be produced, not just as a one off, but in reasonable volume, say 100 in first year, 250 in second year and grow your market from there. Do what Legacy did when they started up. My challenge is comparatively easy because you have an idea to start from where as they started from scratch. Just the kind of task they set MBA students! I look forward to seeing these bright new "all singing and dancing machines" at reasonable prices and with superb after sales service. Yes Legacy were not perfect. However I see is that some folks don't seem to acknowledge that Legacy have changed, and I think, for the better. The reason people won't acknowledge this is simply because Legacy stopped making and supporting the manual machines these people owned. I know that quite a lot of you bought used or what we call second hand machines, so to me that negates your claim that Legacy has let you down. Just step back and ask yourself why they stopped 1. Legacy's market was predominately hobbyists and what happens when a recession comes along, as it did, the customers stopped buying. 2. That is what happened and to SURVIVE that recession Andy & Tracy Anderson developed initially CNC upgrades for the 900 & 1200. When you have their mind set you quickly progress to designing total CNC machines. They are good and made in the USA not China. Remember that Legacy had employees and their incomes had to be protected. It was tough but they got through it. With CNC machines their customer base profile changed from hobbyist to business user. That requires a different customer service approach. I worked with them for a good many years. Yes I suffered some problems from time to time but I did not go around bleating about it, I worked around it or got it sorted, maybe that was my military training coming into play. Could I build a better manual machine, the truthful answer is no because I do not have the required skill set. I often felt I could see improvements and I would discuss them with Andy. But whilst I have some relevant knowledge I know that I do not have that which is required to design and manufacture machines, certainly not Legacy type machines but if it is enclosures for industrial & military use then I could and have done so. Could I sell & market Legacy type machines yes. I could even run a business, well I have and I enjoyed it. What seems to be lost on some folks is that running a manufacturing business requires a broad skill set, money and people. Yes you will have customers that you cannot see eye to eye with but at the end of the day you get on with it and both sides have to learn to understand the other, that can be tough. Regards Roger -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Purchasing LOM's
Hi Richard Regarding your comment "It appears that most folk who have purchased from the U.K. agent, Regret it, and leave the LOM's gathering dust". Let me enlighten you regarding the sale of generic Ornamental Mills i.e. the ones sold in the USA by Sears & Roebuck and in the UK by Trend Ltd. A good few years ago I made the comment to a senior person in one of those companies that I thought that many of their machines were purchased, used once or twice, and then put aside. I thought the percentage would be about 30% were sidelined. He informed me that I was well off target as they reckoned it was nearer 90%, I know how he did his calculation and it was very realistic. So now if you look at the 100 or so Legacy machines that I sold in the UK then I guess that some of them are gathering dust. I hope you were not implying that they regretted buying them from me, a public grovelling apology would be acceptable together with a pot of gold rather than spending money on legal fees!! May I suggest you go out in your own workshop and count up the number of products you have bought over the years and not used. Strangely Wayne Mack and I were doing that same exercise not more than twelve hours ago. He did not have any Legacy manual machines on his shelf, he has sold them and moved on successfully to Legacy CNCs. Time to see if you Richard belong to that same group of folks who bought and then never used it! Cheers Roger From: Richard Ellis Received: 15/11/2017 07:57:25 +00:00 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills I have two LOM's One is the old Woodchuck, it does what I want it to do, I put a motor drive to the spindle vari-speed. made it even better The Revo Craftsman-- nice little machine and more fun to use, Much better for seeing what I am doing, I have powered both the leadscrew and the spindle.--Hate turning those handles. If only they had made the Revo a little longer!!? I am now looking to purchase a 900, to swap the rails and leadscrew from one to the other, The seller wants far too much for the 900 and I am going to feel very guilty when I make him an offer, no doubt he will refuse, and the machine will gather dust again. The U,K market, is small compared to the U,S,A, I have the horrible feeling that when it comes time to sell up, I am 83 in March, there will be no buyers. And all will go to the tip. It appears that most folk who have purchased from the U.K. agent, Regret it, and leave the LOM's gathering dust I welcome comments from Roger, and others on my thoughts, Richard I -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: A response from Andy Anderson Of Legacy Regarding Support.
Hi Michael Let me provide a possible reason that they don't do the East or West Coast Shows. Put simply it could be the ever increasing cost of booth space, shipping, hotels etc. along with the reduction in the overall number of shows. We have had the same problem here in the UK, the number of shows have decreased mainly due to the cost too the show organisers of hiring the show venues. These charges have gone through the roof. I know Legacy have put on "show & tell sessions" with various associates around the USA as they have done over here. This comes back to how much a company like Legacy can afford to spend on promotion. Producing their in-house videos, which are of an excellent quality and informative, costs a lot of money. Bottom line is that things have changed, be it for the better or the worse, and that depends on your point of view. As someone who splashed the cash on shows and I actually enjoyed being there promoting my business I have to say I miss it in retirement because it was great fun and I got to meet lots of nice people. Regards from across the pond. Roger From: Michael Kratky Received: 20/11/2017 14:10:48 +00:00 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Charles, Don’t know about the “product” being started in 1970 as I bought my model 1200 at a show in Long Island, NY in 2004 anyway I’m very much interested in the Maverick CNC and have previously posted to the group if anyone had one and what they thought about it and Legacy’s associated support but until now never got a single response. Also, Legacy use to make the rounds at east coast woodworking shows so I could be 1st hand informed about them but they pulled the plug on those shows as well. Thank you for the vote of confidence on the Maverick and Legacy’s support. Michael K in NY From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Peel Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:31 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A response from Andy Anderson Of Legacy Regarding Support. I am in the group and own two ornamental mills and one legacy maverick CNC. I have never had problems with service. Legacy staff in the past worked with me to provide what I needed and I bought other items used. I bought the Maverick because I like the company, I like the 5 axis capability. I have been driving GMC trucks for going on 50 years. I have enjoyed the advancements made and continue to buy their product. It would be a little stupid to request they manufacture the same product I started with in 1970. If you like 5 axis capability you need to check into there new product line. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 15, 2017, at 9:28 AM, Richard Ellis mailto:rchrd.ell...@gmail.com]> wrote: I suppose there are inventors and salesmen, They probably do not go together . And secondly Manufactures often make more money out of spares, The LOM 's I have don't require many, and if they do I can make them or get someone local to make them. On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 4:47:53 AM UTC, Tim wrote: I had a conversation with Andy Anderson of Legacy and he has asked me to forward this email to the group. Forwarded Message Dear Tim, I can see the confusion caused by our statement but if you understand that support, to us, means coaching and producing new training materials for a product and of course manufacturing means we still build new OM's then it becomes quite clear. I can see that a longer, wordier explanation could have been used to tell the story but I'm sure that those determined to complain would have found something in the longer explanation to complain about too. With a little effort say, a phone call to me, and the whole story could have been told on the thread but telling the truth, getting the whole story onto the forum, is not what some of those making comments on the thread intended. Some of the claims and statements made in the thread are incorrect and some just not true and if any of these folks had an ounce of courage they would have spoken to me instead of wasting their time and yours in an online conversation with others that definitely don't have the answers either. I have an 800 number, I'm at extension 11. The call is free. I'm not hiding. 800 279 4570 If they had have called me they would find out we still sell, build, and use index hubs in our CNC systems, pilaster dogs as well. We still build and stock many of the gears and gear sets, spit nuts and other items that go missing or wear out over time. We sell them to people that buy second hand OMs at yard and estate sales quite often. Of course if these new owners were to join the misinformed on this google group and believed the nonsense that they read they may not been able to buy these items because they believed the myth that we don't provide any customer service for our OM's and they would not h
Re: A response from Andy Anderson Of Legacy Regarding Support.
Very well put Joe! >From the other side of the pond, please note that the young lady who is >marrying Harry is going to become a UK citizen. She is a nice intelligent girl who will no doubt help Harry in his endeavours. It is all go over here, we have have the Royal Navy providing the Guard at Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle . Cheers Roger From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Received: 28/11/2017 19:10:18 +00:00 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills a few comments and responses on this subject and perhaps a few more...and apologies for not commenting sooner...been a bit busy lately...exactly how accurate is it to say legacy no longer supports their older machines...they still sell those "high hats", split nuts, gears, drive dogs...granted, you can not buy rails, headstocks, etc., but how many really need those...and so many other companies do not supply parts for their old machines, like Powermatic, delta, Rockwell, sears, just to name a few...I am beginning to see andy's point, that there is a constant, negative point being made in this group towards legacy...ok, they ended their manufacturing of what we refer to as their older machines...why?...because the future is in CNC...you have an older legacy?...well, you will just have to make do with what they could give you, and/or some stuff from McMaster-carr...their machines are not that complex... just about any repair or mod could be done with just a bit of ingenuity...I have seen so many of this group do some very unique repairs and mods to their equipment, that I don't see what all the fuss is about...we should all be lucky that there are no pieces that were cast iron or aluminum... I have never seen a company give as much technical support as legacy has done with their customers...training videos, project videos, magazine publications, etcand it is understood that a number of people have had some bad experiences in dealing with them, even when they were in full support mode, back in the day...well, that's a shame and it should never have happened...but it did and let's all just move on...I could tell horror stories about a ford car dealership and their handling of customers, but it would serve no purpose...we will never get any assistance from legacy if we continue this negativity...carrying on...joe biunno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Re: legacy
Hi Russ I will reiterate what I have said a number of times before about why Legacy dropped the manual machines. Just before the last recession came along Legacy brought out the CNC up-grade kits for the 900 , 1200 etc. I know this for a fact because I picked Andy Anderson up at the airport complete with his red neck luggage, two cardboard cartoons containing the up-grade kit for the machine we were exhibiting in London two days after he arrived. When the recession hit guess what happened, hobbyist stopped buying and businesses looked at CNC as a survival tool. That's basically what happened and as they say the rest is either history or the present time! Also whilst I think of it the competitor machine, I use the word loosely, certainly stopped selling their machine in the UK. Trend was the UK competitor and Sears was the US machinediscussions I have had with them confirm that they sold a lot but a large percentage were assembled, tried out and then put on the top shelf out the way in the workshop or shed. Cheers Roger From: russ veinot Received: 07/01/2018 19:41:42 +00:00 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills OK, I gotta put my 3 cents worth in here. first about Curt's observations (and thanks for that Curt). It would be nice to see more participation here but I am not surprised it isn't more active. Most people would rather watch from afar (my Youtuybe channel is the same way) and I understand that. I have, in the past, gone years without saying anything (but still watched) and now I'm sure some wish for the good ole days :>) I just enjoy being here when I can contribute I will. That's all I expect from anyone. Second, as to the original question by Bill (it's you fault I am even talking here Bill :>), I also believe the timing of that video is more than a coincidence. Also I have to say that video is a good presentation, not salesmanship. There is a difference between acting and selling. I would say that a true salesman can sell a freezer to an eskimo in the dead of winter. Which brings me to a point I have heard here that I disagree with. the original LOM (before CNC) is a good product and it still can stand on its own merits in the business world. I keep hearing that the LOM was a losing product line and that is why they switched to CNC. Building market share is only one aspect of successful business. Engineering flaws, bad manufacturing methods, or/and poor customer service can bring a good company (or idea) to its knees. I would say that the Edsel is a classic example of that. I still believe there is a market for manual LOMs as well as CNC. thanks again Bill for bringing this up. Russ On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 7:24:11 PM UTC-6, aussiman wrote: I wonder if our little chat with legacy planted the seeds for the idea of this latest legacy video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik-11XkFfGM&feature=em-uploademail [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik-11XkFfGM&feature=em-uploademail] it is actually a interesting video on the company shows just how far they have come now. their move to cnc really kept them going and growing in this modern age. I sure wish I could afford one Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: legacy
Hi Russ I understand and can concur with some of your comments but the thing is you cannot beat the march of TIME & Technology. I agree the LOM is a universal machine but there again so is the Shopsmith and the Triton Workcentre. All have suffered from recessions and the march of technology plus customers who demand that it is the latest and greatest and the customers wives who often control the budget. Triton have kept up with technology but their work centre is a great product. In a way the LOM is like CNC, they both have a longish learning curve and you need to be using them or loosing the knowledge, it happens as you get old. Cheers Roger From: russ veinot Received: 08/01/2018 20:38:53 +00:00 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Roger, Sorry about opening old wounds, but as a successful business entrepreneur and a long term LOM owner I have faced the ups and down of the economy. The bad economy never stopped me or thousands of others. the reason for business failures are usually multiple. you mentioned one possible reason just now. I have heard it lots of time (even on this forum) about how the machine ends up in the corner collecting dust. The LOM is what I would call the Swiss Army Knife of milling machines. this machine can do what a planer, jointer, router table, horizontal router, and much more. Art started this forum because of the lack of knowledge to utilize the LOM. If I had owned a business where the customers were shelving my product instead of using it, one of my focuses would have been to figure out why they were shelving it and helped them use the machine so much they would never want to put it away. Previous customers should be your best advertising. This is but one possible reason (of many) for the death of the manually operated milling machine (or any business) in my humble opinion. thanks again, Russ On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 7:24:11 PM UTC-6, aussiman wrote: I wonder if our little chat with legacy planted the seeds for the idea of this latest legacy video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik-11XkFfGM&feature=em-uploademail [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik-11XkFfGM&feature=em-uploademail] it is actually a interesting video on the company shows just how far they have come now. their move to cnc really kept them going and growing in this modern age. I sure wish I could afford one Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Mis-leading info. but I think we are looking at a Legacy 2000 or a 2200 model ??? ONE BIG MACHINE !!!
Hi Curt Definitely not an 1800, certainly a 2000 and it could be a 2200. I sold one of them some years ago, a big beast that came airfreight from Utah to London. I collected it from the airport and drove it down to my end user in a long wheel base Mercedes Sprinter Van. Just managed to close the doors of the van. When we arrived at the customer we had to drag it out of the Van and then they carried away on a farm fork lift tractor, the type they use for lifting straw bales. The gentleman who bought it sold it back to me 15 months later as he and his wife decided to go off around the world on his Honda Gold Wing. I collected it one day, then sold it and delivered it the following day to a gentleman near Liverpool who was going to use it in his builders merchant business. About another 18 months went by and I had an enquiry from Russia for a beast. I contacted the gentleman near Liverpool and he agreed to sell it to me because he had sold his business but he kept the Legacy but now doubted whether he would use it. So another collection job and it went off to Russia. I have not seen it since. Cheers Roger From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Received: 11/01/2018 06:14:17 +00:00 To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills https://www.ebay.com/itm/Legacy-CNC-Ornamental-wood-working-machine/162842013290?hash=item25ea23ee6a:g:LxYAAOSwM~taU~Pe [https://www.ebay.com/itm/Legacy-CNC-Ornamental-wood-working-machine/162842013290?hash=item25ea23ee6a:g:LxYAAOSwM~taU~Pe] US $2,999.00 local pick up only Gardena, California, C.A.G. on Pinterest - opens in a new window or tab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com]. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills [https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [https://groups.google.com/d/optout]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
