RE: [LegacyUG] How to Represent a Best Fit Ancestor

2009-07-09 Thread ronald ferguson

Jenny,
 
I actually agree with both yourself and Connie. In my first comment on this 
thread I said that I would quite likely leave them unlinked, as per Connie's 
method, but obviously whether I would or not does depend on the strength of the 
evidence.
 
It is, of course, a matter of judgement when one does decide to link two 
people, and like yourself I would set the surety levely to an appropriate level.



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 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:02:11 +0100
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
 From: ge...@cedarbank.me.uk
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to Represent a Best Fit Ancestor

 Connie Sheets wrote
Personally, I think it is a very bad idea to link people in your
database until you have obtained solid direct evidence of a
relationship, or you have completed a reasonably exhaustive search so
that you can construct a proof argument using indirect evidence. (It's
more complicated than that, but that is the basic guideline I use).

 Surely this is where the Surety Level field of Source Citations comes
 in?

 If you evidence is largely circumstantial, use a 0 or 1 rating; if you
 think it is somewhat stronger then use a 2.

 Exactly what level is used rather depends on personal evaluation of the
 Source - what might be considered level 4 proof by one person might only
 be rated 3 by another. Some people, probably you Connie, would not link
 anyone in their family file unless the evidence rated at least a 3.

 Personally, I would enter everyone in who I had an interest but not
 link anyone where the evidence rated 0.

 Other people looking at my data can not only see my sources and judge
 their value for themselves, but can also see how much confidence I had
 in them - that is, when I remember to adjust that field!
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RE: [LegacyUG] How to Represent a Best Fit Ancestor

2009-07-09 Thread ronald ferguson

Paula,
 
That is far from a stupid question, and is one which I have often asked myself. 
Like yourself, I am sure I have used it in both ways, as an assessment of the 
strength of the reporting, or of the evidence itself.
 
So I suppose my answer would be that it is an assessment as to the overall 
likelihood of the evidence being correct, relevant and appropriate. A rather 
vague definition but, as far as I can see the best we've got!



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 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:51:10 -0700
 From: paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to Represent a Best Fit Ancestor
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com


 So, at the risk of asking a stupid question... The surety level is a rating 
 of how well you think the source document supports the data? Not a rating of 
 how accurate you think the source document is. Like: I'm positive this census 
 listing proves my grandfather is the son of these people, but I'm only 
 reasonably sure the age of my grandfather in the listing was enumerated OR 
 I'm pretty sure the birth place of my grandfather's father is enumerated 
 incorrectly...? The census IS the census... surety=4, but some data on it is 
 inaccurate, while others are accurate but don't for sure prove my 
 relationship...? Just wondering out loud, because I think I have used the 
 surety level in different ways at different times. (eek!)
 Please DO feel free to point me to someplace that explains this field's use, 
 since I probably have not read it. ;)
 Thanks,
 --Paula

 --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Jenny M Benson wrote:

 Connie Sheets wrote
 Personally, I think it is a very bad idea to link
 people in your database until you have obtained solid direct
 evidence of a relationship, or you have completed a
 reasonably exhaustive search so that you can construct a
 proof argument using indirect evidence. (It's more
 complicated than that, but that is the basic guideline I
 use).

 Surely this is where the Surety Level field of Source
 Citations comes in?

 If you evidence is largely circumstantial, use a 0 or 1
 rating; if you think it is somewhat stronger then use a 2.

 Exactly what level is used rather depends on personal
 evaluation of the Source - what might be considered level 4
 proof by one person might only be rated 3 by another.
 Some people, probably you Connie, would not link anyone in
 their family file unless the evidence rated at least a 3.

 Personally, I would enter everyone in who I had an
 interest but not link anyone where the evidence rated 0.

 Other people looking at my data can not only see my sources
 and judge their value for themselves, but can also see how
 much confidence I had in them - that is, when I remember to
 adjust that field!
 -- Jenny M Benson

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Re: [LegacyUG] Repository of Photos and other items

2009-07-09 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES

I have two examples on my thinking. Over the years I have made photocopies 0f 
the US Census in at least 2 NARA, over a dozen libraries/repositories, 
(including Ancestry and LDS). I decided to use the NARA in Washington DC for 
all. 
Anything I created (photos, etc.), I am also the repository. All books I own 
are the same. 
Rich in LA CA

--- On Wed, 7/8/09, Cathy Vallevieni cathyv...@cox.net wrote:

 From: Cathy Vallevieni cathyv...@cox.net
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Repository of Photos and other items
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
 Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 7:52 PM
 I want the end notes to reflect that
 I have copies of Vital Record Documents (i.e. Birth
 Certificate), books that I own which I am citing as a
 source, photos of grave markers that I am citing as a
 source, etc.  The rationale is so the reader knows I
 have the actual document and also that they can obtain a
 copy from me as well as from the original repository.
 
 For some, I am the only repository (i.e. a photo of a grave
 marker).  In this case I am considering listing me as
 the repository.  Does anyone have an opinion or
 suggestion?
 
 For others, a library or government agency is the actual
 repository plus I have a copy.  However, I can't use 2
 repositories.  Does anyone have an idea for where to
 note that I have a copy?  I tried putting it in the
 Comments box for the source and checking to print it on
 reports every time, but the Comment Box information only
 prints the first instance and not the second time it is
 listed in the end notes so it looks like I don't have a copy
 of any document citing the second entry even though it's the
 exact same source entry.
 
 I hope this isn't too confusing.
 
 Does anyone else note in the source citation that they have
 a copy of the document or book in their possession?
 
 Cathy Vallevieni
 Orange County, CA
 
 
 
 
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[LegacyUG] Continuous Family Group Sheets

2009-07-09 Thread Joyce C. Wicks

Hi all,

Is there anyway to print all family group sheets for a 
certain ancestor and all descendants all at once???


Thank you,

Joyce



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Re: [LegacyUG] Repository of Photos and other items

2009-07-09 Thread Dede Holden
Cathy,

To answer the first part of your question, I do have a repository
Personal Possession of the Author.  I use this for any original
document, book, etc., that I actually own and possess.

To answer the second part, I just did a quick test on one of my
citations of a book that is in the local library.  I have a copy of
the page that I am citing.  I entered a Comment in the Source Detail,
copy of this page in the author's possession.  When I ran the
report, I chose End notes, but I unclicked the option to combine
multiple citations into one paragraph. The comment appeared in both
instances of the citation.   If I were you, this is what I would do.

Dede Holden

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:27 AM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES
fourpa...@verizon.net wrote:

 I have two examples on my thinking. Over the years I have made photocopies 0f 
 the US Census in at least 2 NARA, over a dozen libraries/repositories, 
 (including Ancestry and LDS). I decided to use the NARA in Washington DC for 
 all.
 Anything I created (photos, etc.), I am also the repository. All books I own 
 are the same.
 Rich in LA CA

 --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Cathy Vallevieni cathyv...@cox.net wrote:

  From: Cathy Vallevieni cathyv...@cox.net
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Repository of Photos and other items
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
  Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 7:52 PM
  I want the end notes to reflect that
  I have copies of Vital Record Documents (i.e. Birth
  Certificate), books that I own which I am citing as a
  source, photos of grave markers that I am citing as a
  source, etc.  The rationale is so the reader knows I
  have the actual document and also that they can obtain a
  copy from me as well as from the original repository.
 
  For some, I am the only repository (i.e. a photo of a grave
  marker).  In this case I am considering listing me as
  the repository.  Does anyone have an opinion or
  suggestion?
 
  For others, a library or government agency is the actual
  repository plus I have a copy.  However, I can't use 2
  repositories.  Does anyone have an idea for where to
  note that I have a copy?  I tried putting it in the
  Comments box for the source and checking to print it on
  reports every time, but the Comment Box information only
  prints the first instance and not the second time it is
  listed in the end notes so it looks like I don't have a copy
  of any document citing the second entry even though it's the
  exact same source entry.
 
  I hope this isn't too confusing.
 
  Does anyone else note in the source citation that they have
  a copy of the document or book in their possession?
 
  Cathy Vallevieni
  Orange County, CA



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Re: [LegacyUG] Repository of Photos and other items

2009-07-09 Thread Jenny M Benson

Cathy Vallevieni wrote
For some, I am the only repository (i.e. a photo of a grave marker). In 
this case I am considering listing me as the repository.  Does anyone 
have an opinion or suggestion?


For others, a library or government agency is the actual repository 
plus I have a copy.  However, I can't use 2 repositories.  Does anyone 
have an idea for where to note that I have a copy?


Strictly speaking, your Sources should reflect where *you* obtained the 
evidence for the data you have recorded, so it follows that if you own a 
copy of the book you consulted, then you are the repository. If you have 
provided full details of the publication it should not be difficult for 
another researcher to find another copy of your source if your own is 
unavailable to them.


If I go to my local library and look something up in a book, I would (if 
I bothered to record repositories!) name my local library as the 
repository.  I wouldn't see any need to record all the other places 
where that book was available, even if that was possible.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Continuous Family Group Sheets

2009-07-09 Thread Jenny M Benson

Joyce C. Wicks wrote
Is there anyway to print all family group sheets for a certain ancestor 
and all descendants all at once???


If you click on the Record Selection button at the bottom of the main 
Family Group Records screen you will find several options which should 
suit your needs.


One of the options is to print all individuals with a particular tag: 
another example of what is a very powerful feature of Legacy, the use of 
Tags.

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[LegacyUG] Continuous group sheets - another question wording.

2009-07-09 Thread Joyce C. Wicks

Thank you Jenny

Another question. How does one eliminate the phrase: Another 
name for ___is (and gives the married name) I think 
this phrase should only be used for nicknames. Thanks.


Joyce



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[LegacyUG] Is there a Legacy Group Archive?

2009-07-09 Thread Joyce C. Wicks
Is there a place where I can search on subjects that have 
been posted in the past in order to find answers I need.


For example: Under record selection in family group report. 
Which one applies to all the descendants of one particular 
ancestor. I am a bit confused about how to use tags. I need 
a primary course in tag use - does every person among that 
one ancestor's descendants have to be tagged one at a time 
or is there a way to select all of them at once?


Thanks.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a Legacy Group Archive?

2009-07-09 Thread Bert van Kootwijk
Why not use the helpfiles? There is so much information in it about all 
features. Some info about tagging you can find in for instance the chapter 
Tagging Records. Look also for Advance tagging.


Also, you can use the help-button on every screen to get information about 
that function.


Bert


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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
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Subject: [LegacyUG] Is there a Legacy Group Archive?


Is there a place where I can search on subjects that have been posted in 
the past in order to find answers I need.


For example: Under record selection in family group report. Which one 
applies to all the descendants of one particular ancestor. I am a bit 
confused about how to use tags. I need a primary course in tag use - does 
every person among that one ancestor's descendants have to be tagged one 
at a time or is there a way to select all of them at once?


Thanks.




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Re: [LegacyUG] How to Represent a Best Fit Ancestor

2009-07-09 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:51:10 -0700 (PDT), Paula Ryburn
paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

The surety level is a rating of how well you think the source document 
supports the data? Not a rating of how accurate you think the source document 
is.

That is how I use it. If it were the latter, it would be associated with
the Source record and not the Source Detail record.

A good example would be a death certificate. I would give the citation
to the date and place of death in a death certificate a surety of 4.
But (in most cases) I would give the citation to the date and place of
birth in a death certificate a lower surety.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a Legacy Group Archive?

2009-07-09 Thread Evert van Dijken
Yes, see the links at the end in every mail that's sent to this list.
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Evert

2009/7/9 Joyce C. Wicks jo...@wicksclan.com:
 Is there a place where I can search on subjects that have been posted in the
 past in order to find answers I need.

 For example: Under record selection in family group report. Which one
 applies to all the descendants of one particular ancestor. I am a bit
 confused about how to use tags. I need a primary course in tag use - does
 every person among that one ancestor's descendants have to be tagged one at
 a time or is there a way to select all of them at once?

 Thanks.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Continuous group sheets - another question wording.

2009-07-09 Thread Jenny M Benson

Joyce C. Wicks wrote
Another question. How does one eliminate the phrase: Another name for 
___is (and gives the married name) I think this phrase should 
only be used for nicknames.


Doesn't happen on my Reports!  Have you entered the married name as an 
AKA?  If not, someone else can probably explain that.


If you have, I *think* you only have 2 options - put up with that 
wording on reports or remove all the married names from the AKA field. 
I can't see an option anywhere to change the wording of that sentence in 
Reports, nor an option to omit the AKA.

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to Represent a Best Fit Ancestor

2009-07-09 Thread Connie Sheets

Paula,

You did not ask a stupid question.  In fact, you explained quite nicely why I 
ignore the surety level completely.  What I might rate a 3, you might rate a 4; 
and what I rate a 3 today, I might rate a 2 next week.

What is far more relevant is the proof argument which can only be a 
narrative:  your example is the beginning of a proof argument.

Connie


--- On Wed, 7/8/09, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 
 So, at the risk of asking a stupid question...  The
 surety level is a rating of how well you think the source
 document supports the data?  Not a rating of how
 accurate you think the source document is.  Like: 
 I'm positive this census listing proves my grandfather is
 the son of these people, but I'm only reasonably sure the
 age of my grandfather in the listing was enumerated OR I'm
 pretty sure the birth place of my grandfather's father is
 enumerated incorrectly...?  The census IS the census...
 surety=4, but some data on it is inaccurate, while others
 are accurate but don't for sure prove my
 relationship...?  Just wondering out loud, because I
 think I have used the surety level in different ways at
 different times.  (eek!)
 Please DO feel free to point me to someplace that explains
 this field's use, since I probably have not read it. ;)
 Thanks,
 --Paula
 








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[LegacyUG] Legacy and MS Access

2009-07-09 Thread SgtBob
I keep three .fdb files  (bob1.fdb, bob2.fdb and bob3.fdb) plus off site files 
as well as a GEDCOM just to be sure I don't lose my current and original data. 
 
Currently, I use Access only for informational purposes in a couple of tables 
in Access - mostly to check out Source numbers and/or Detail Number I assigned 
and then save tdata as an Excel file where I am able to print some reports, etc.

However, if I change anything in a column while in MS Access and want it to 
appear in my basic Legacy file, how do I do that?  

For example, if I change a 'bob1.fdb' file to 'bob1.mdb' file, open it and 
change an item, how do I get this 'bob1.mdb' back to a useable 'bob1.fdb'?  I 
think I tried it once and all I got were errors, so thankfully, I was able to 
resurrect my 'bob2.fdb' file and continue. 

Information appreciated on how to use this feature to where one could mass 
correct erroneous data brought to Legacy from GEDCOM or other sources.

Bob






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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and MS Access

2009-07-09 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:42:39 -0400, SgtBob s...@cox.net wrote:

For example, if I change a 'bob1.fdb' file to 'bob1.mdb' file, open it and 
change an item, how do I get this 'bob1.mdb' back to a useable 'bob1.fdb'?

Always make a backup before opening your Legacy databases in Access.

In the first place, it's a misconception that you must rename your .fdb
file to .mdb in order to open it in MS Access. In the File|Open dialog
in Access, change the File Name to *.fdb to see your Legacy databases
and open them directly.

I think I tried it once and all I got were errors, so thankfully, I was able 
to resurrect my 'bob2.fdb' file and continue. 

Secondly, you should be able to rename your .fdb to .mdb, edit it, then
rename it back to .fdb without a problem. Though I would recommend
making a backup and then directly editing the .fdb. If you get errors
doing this you probably edited something you shouldn't have.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and MS Access

2009-07-09 Thread SgtBob
Dennis - I'll try the '*.fdb' feature in Access as you suggested.

Regarding '...you probably edited something you shouldn't have...' - anything 
specific I should avoid in this area?

Bob

 Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com wrote: 
 On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:42:39 -0400, SgtBob s...@cox.net wrote:
 
 For example, if I change a 'bob1.fdb' file to 'bob1.mdb' file, open it and 
 change an item, how do I get this 'bob1.mdb' back to a useable 'bob1.fdb'?
 
 Always make a backup before opening your Legacy databases in Access.
 
 In the first place, it's a misconception that you must rename your .fdb
 file to .mdb in order to open it in MS Access. In the File|Open dialog
 in Access, change the File Name to *.fdb to see your Legacy databases
 and open them directly.
 
 I think I tried it once and all I got were errors, so thankfully, I was able 
 to resurrect my 'bob2.fdb' file and continue. 
 
 Secondly, you should be able to rename your .fdb to .mdb, edit it, then
 rename it back to .fdb without a problem. Though I would recommend
 making a backup and then directly editing the .fdb. If you get errors
 doing this you probably edited something you shouldn't have.
  
 -- 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and MS Access

2009-07-09 Thread Jenny M Benson

SgtBob wrote
For example, if I change a 'bob1.fdb' file to 'bob1.mdb' file, open it 
and change an item, how do I get this 'bob1.mdb' back to a useable 
'bob1.fdb'?  I think I tried it once and all I got were errors, so 
thankfully, I was able to resurrect my 'bob2.fdb' file and continue.


There is no need to change .fdb to .mdb.  I never do.  I just backup in 
Legacy, open Access, then because Legacy is on the list of recently 
opened files I just click on it.  If it was not on the list I'd select 
More files ..., select All files (*.*) in the Files of type box, 
navigate to my Legacy folder and click on the .fdb file I wanted to 
open.   Having made my changes I close Access and open the file in 
Legacy again.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources Not Printing On To-Do List/Research Log

2009-07-09 Thread Brian/Support

Connie,

This problem was reported earlier and a report has been submitted to the 
programmers but thank you for taking the time to report it as well. I 
added the issue based on Jennifer's report but I must apologize to the 
list since I guess I forgot to advise the LUG that the issue was recorded.


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Connie Sheets wrote:

I have not been able to keep up with reading the list the last couple of 
months, so my apologies if this has been discussed recently.  I checked the 
archives and found only one reference:

Back in January, Jennifer Trahan asked for verification that others were 
experiencing difficulty with Sources not printing on To Do List/Research Log 
Reports.  The only response was why would anyone want to do that?

Well, I would like to do that, as I've just discovered it will simplify greatly 
my process for keeping a Research Log and noting negative results.

However, I'm experiencing the same problem Jennifer did:  I've attached the 
source (deed index) I consulted to the To Do List task, noted in Results that I 
did not find the individual in the index, and would like to have a printed 
Research Log.  The footnote for the source (the specific deed index) is listed 
as footnote 1 but the citation itself is completely blank.

I'm assuming this is a bug I need to report, or is there something I'm just not 
seeing to correct this?  I'm using the most recent 3/09 update.

Connie




  





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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources Not Printing On To-Do List/Research Log

2009-07-09 Thread Connie Sheets

Thank you, Brian.

For anyone else who might be interested in using Legacy the To Do feature as a 
proper Research Log, here is the workaround I've come up with.  I actually like 
it so much (since it puts the source on the same page as the tasks and 
results), I may continue to use it even when the bug is fixed.

I enter the source, then copy and paste it into the Task Description field.  
Example:

Finish transcription of all Big Creek records pertaining to Jesse Hancock

Source:  Regular Baptist Church at Big Creek Baptist (Henry Co., Iowa), Church 
records, 1836-1863, FHL microfilm 986,171, item 8. 

Results:  6/29/09:  Partial transcription completed; found death date for Jesse 
Hancock. 



--- On Thu, 7/9/09, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 From: Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources Not Printing On To-Do List/Research Log
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 3:50 PM
 Connie,
 
 This problem was reported earlier and a report has been
 submitted to the programmers but thank you for taking the
 time to report it as well. I added the issue based on
 Jennifer's report but I must apologize to the list since I
 guess I forgot to advise the LUG that the issue was
 recorded.
 
 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
 
 
 Connie Sheets wrote:
  I have not been able to keep up with reading the list
 the last couple of months, so my apologies if this has been
 discussed recently.  I checked the archives and found
 only one reference:
  
  Back in January, Jennifer Trahan asked for
 verification that others were experiencing difficulty with
 Sources not printing on To Do List/Research Log
 Reports.  The only response was why would anyone want
 to do that?
  
  Well, I would like to do that, as I've just discovered
 it will simplify greatly my process for keeping a Research
 Log and noting negative results.
  
  However, I'm experiencing the same problem Jennifer
 did:  I've attached the source (deed index) I consulted
 to the To Do List task, noted in Results that I did not find
 the individual in the index, and would like to have a
 printed Research Log.  The footnote for the source (the
 specific deed index) is listed as footnote 1 but the
 citation itself is completely blank.
  
  I'm assuming this is a bug I need to report, or is
 there something I'm just not seeing to correct this? 
 I'm using the most recent 3/09 update.
  
  Connie
  
  








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RE: [LegacyUG] Continuous group sheets - another question wording.

2009-07-09 Thread CE Wood
To have alternate names not print, go to Report OptionsInclude.  Uncheck
the box Alternate given and surnames.


Carolyn


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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Continuous group sheets - another question wording.

Joyce C. Wicks wrote
Another question. How does one eliminate the phrase: Another name for 
___is (and gives the married name) I think this phrase should 
only be used for nicknames.

Doesn't happen on my Reports!  Have you entered the married name as an 
AKA?  If not, someone else can probably explain that.

If you have, I *think* you only have 2 options - put up with that 
wording on reports or remove all the married names from the AKA field. 
I can't see an option anywhere to change the wording of that sentence in 
Reports, nor an option to omit the AKA.
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and MS Access

2009-07-09 Thread Sherry/Support
Be sure to BACK UP the Family File before doing *anything* to it in Access.
I can't emphasize this strongly enough. 



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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and MS Access

SgtBob wrote
For example, if I change a 'bob1.fdb' file to 'bob1.mdb' file, open it 
and change an item, how do I get this 'bob1.mdb' back to a useable 
'bob1.fdb'?  I think I tried it once and all I got were errors, so 
thankfully, I was able to resurrect my 'bob2.fdb' file and continue.

There is no need to change .fdb to .mdb.  I never do.  I just backup in 
Legacy, open Access, then because Legacy is on the list of recently 
opened files I just click on it.  If it was not on the list I'd select 
More files ..., select All files (*.*) in the Files of type box, 
navigate to my Legacy folder and click on the .fdb file I wanted to 
open.   Having made my changes I close Access and open the file in 
Legacy again.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and MS Access

2009-07-09 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:12:16 -0400, SgtBob s...@cox.net wrote:

Regarding '...you probably edited something you shouldn't have...' - anything 
specific I should avoid in this area?

Primary and foreign keys. If you don't know what these are you probably
shouldn't be editing the database in the first place. ;-)
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Continuous group sheets - another question wording.

2009-07-09 Thread Jenny M Benson

CE Wood wrote
To have alternate names not print, go to Report OptionsInclude. 
Uncheck the box Alternate given and surnames.


Ah!  Thank you for pointing that out.  I'd somehow missed it when I was 
looking for something like that!


Of course, if Joyce has married surnames entered as AKAs *and* what I 
might call regular AKAs, using that option will mean that the regular 
ones don't print either, which is probably not what Joyce wants.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Continuous group sheets - another question wording.

2009-07-09 Thread Paula Ryburn

Check the recent thread on married names question...  There's a setting that 
generates those in OptionsCustomize.  Maybe that's the source of those AKAs 
(that aren't really).  --Paula




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and MS Access

2009-07-09 Thread Paula Ryburn

Dennis,
I am pleasantly surprised to read this thread.  When I originally imported from 
FTM using a GEDCOM, there was a bug that set all my child-parent relationships 
to Natural (or something like that).  That's over 1500 individuals.  Over the 
years, I've been cleaning these up by hand as I worked on a given lineage.  
Now I see I could do it using Access... *IF* that field is not a key... do you 
know if it is?  (Doesn't seem like it would be to me, but I've been out of the 
workforce a while, so my database  a bit rusty.)
Thanks,
--Paula


--- On Thu, 7/9/09, Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com wrote:

 On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:12:16 -0400,
 SgtBob s...@cox.net
 wrote:
 
 Regarding '...you probably edited something you
 shouldn't have...' - anything specific I should avoid in
 this area?
 
 Primary and foreign keys. If you don't know what these are
 you probably
 shouldn't be editing the database in the first place. ;-)
  
 -- 
 
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 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools




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Re: [LegacyUG] Surity Level Reports

2009-07-09 Thread Paula Ryburn

Could be one of those custom reports (searchprint)?  Or maybe an option on the 
Source Citations report to filter on surety level?  --P

--- On Sat, 6/27/09, Ross Chapman ross.chap...@rogers.com wrote:

 
 I seem to remember that there was a
 report out there for all
 sources that have a surety level of 2 or less. Am I
 mistaken or can I just not
 find the report I am looking for? 
 
    
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and MS Access

2009-07-09 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:20:50 -0700 (PDT), Paula Ryburn
paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

I am pleasantly surprised to read this thread.  When I originally imported 
from FTM using a GEDCOM, there was a bug that set all my child-parent 
relationships to Natural (or something like that).  That's over 1500 
individuals.  Over the years, I've been cleaning these up by hand as I 
worked on a given lineage.  Now I see I could do it using Access... *IF* that 
field is not a key... do you know if it is?  (Doesn't seem like it would be to 
me, but I've been out of the workforce a while, so my database  a bit rusty.)

tblCR.IDCS (Child Status field in Child Record table) is a foreign key
pointing to a row in tblCS (Child Status table). In your case, changing
tblCR.IDCS to point to a different tblCS row would solve your problem.

Something like...

UPDATE tblCR SET tblCR.IDCS=newvalue WHERE tblCR.IDCS=oldvalue

[[The above SQL hasn't been tested.]]

The newvalue you probably want to use is 1 (blank Child Status).

***

I'm not saying that it is a no-no to change keys ... just be sure you
know what you are doing (ask if necessary) and have a good Legacy
backup.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Repository of Photos and other items

2009-07-09 Thread Paula Ryburn

This is not too confusing at all, especially since we recently had a thread 
resulting in a bug report about the Text box of a Source not printing every 
time (even when checked to do so).  ;)

I think the repository is supposed to be the ultimate repository... where 
someone would go to see the document.

Your approach to put I have a copy or some such in the Comments box  print 
it on those reports where you want someone to know they can get a copy from you 
is the right approach, imho.  The bug in printing just makes it look like it's 
not the right approach.

Hope THAT made sense.
--Paula

--- On Wed, 7/8/09, Cathy Vallevieni cathyv...@cox.net wrote:

 From: Cathy Vallevieni cathyv...@cox.net
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Repository of Photos and other items
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
 Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 9:52 PM
 I want the end notes to reflect that
 I have copies of Vital Record Documents (i.e. Birth
 Certificate), books that I own which I am citing as a
 source, photos of grave markers that I am citing as a
 source, etc.  The rationale is so the reader knows I
 have the actual document and also that they can obtain a
 copy from me as well as from the original repository.
 
 For some, I am the only repository (i.e. a photo of a grave
 marker).  In this case I am considering listing me as
 the repository.  Does anyone have an opinion or
 suggestion?
 
 For others, a library or government agency is the actual
 repository plus I have a copy.  However, I can't use 2
 repositories.  Does anyone have an idea for where to
 note that I have a copy?  I tried putting it in the
 Comments box for the source and checking to print it on
 reports every time, but the Comment Box information only
 prints the first instance and not the second time it is
 listed in the end notes so it looks like I don't have a copy
 of any document citing the second entry even though it's the
 exact same source entry.
 
 I hope this isn't too confusing.
 
 Does anyone else note in the source citation that they have
 a copy of the document or book in their possession?
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources Not Printing On To-Do List/Research Log

2009-07-09 Thread Paula Ryburn

Brian,
Is this related to/same as the blank source citations in end notes when the 
master source is set to exclude ?  Just curious.
Thanks,
--Paula


--- On Thu, 7/9/09, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 From: Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources Not Printing On To-Do List/Research Log
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 10:50 AM
 Connie,
 
 This problem was reported earlier and a report has been
 submitted to the programmers but thank you for taking the
 time to report it as well. I added the issue based on
 Jennifer's report but I must apologize to the list since I
 guess I forgot to advise the LUG that the issue was
 recorded.
 
 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
 
 We are changing the world of genealogy!
 When replying to this message, please include all previous
 correspondence.
 Thanks.
 
 Connie Sheets wrote:
  I have not been able to keep up with reading the list
 the last couple of months, so my apologies if this has been
 discussed recently.  I checked the archives and found
 only one reference:
  
  Back in January, Jennifer Trahan asked for
 verification that others were experiencing difficulty with
 Sources not printing on To Do List/Research Log
 Reports.  The only response was why would anyone want
 to do that?
  
  Well, I would like to do that, as I've just discovered
 it will simplify greatly my process for keeping a Research
 Log and noting negative results.
  
  However, I'm experiencing the same problem Jennifer
 did:  I've attached the source (deed index) I consulted
 to the To Do List task, noted in Results that I did not find
 the individual in the index, and would like to have a
 printed Research Log.  The footnote for the source (the
 specific deed index) is listed as footnote 1 but the
 citation itself is completely blank.
  
  I'm assuming this is a bug I need to report, or is
 there something I'm just not seeing to correct this? 
 I'm using the most recent 3/09 update.
  
  Connie
  
  
  
  
        
  
  
  
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources Not Printing On To-Do List/Research Log

2009-07-09 Thread Paula Ryburn

Connie,  What a great idea!
Thanks!
--Paula

--- On Thu, 7/9/09, Connie Sheets clshee...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Connie Sheets clshee...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources Not Printing On To-Do List/Research Log
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 11:53 AM
 
 Thank you, Brian.
 
 For anyone else who might be interested in using Legacy the
 To Do feature as a proper Research Log, here is the
 workaround I've come up with.  I actually like it so
 much (since it puts the source on the same page as the tasks
 and results), I may continue to use it even when the bug is
 fixed.
 
 I enter the source, then copy and paste it into the Task
 Description field.  Example:
 
 Finish transcription of all Big Creek records pertaining to
 Jesse Hancock
 
 Source:  Regular Baptist Church at Big Creek Baptist
 (Henry Co., Iowa), Church records, 1836-1863, FHL
 microfilm 986,171, item 8. 
 
 Results:  6/29/09:  Partial transcription
 completed; found death date for Jesse Hancock. 
 
 
 
 --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources Not Printing On To-Do
 List/Research Log
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 3:50 PM
  Connie,
  
  This problem was reported earlier and a report has
 been
  submitted to the programmers but thank you for taking
 the
  time to report it as well. I added the issue based on
  Jennifer's report but I must apologize to the list
 since I
  guess I forgot to advise the LUG that the issue was
  recorded.
  
  Brian
  Customer Support
  Millennia Corporation
  br...@legacyfamilytree.com
  http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
  
  
  Connie Sheets wrote:
   I have not been able to keep up with reading the
 list
  the last couple of months, so my apologies if this has
 been
  discussed recently.  I checked the archives and
 found
  only one reference:
   
   Back in January, Jennifer Trahan asked for
  verification that others were experiencing difficulty
 with
  Sources not printing on To Do List/Research Log
  Reports.  The only response was why would anyone
 want
  to do that?
   
   Well, I would like to do that, as I've just
 discovered
  it will simplify greatly my process for keeping a
 Research
  Log and noting negative results.
   
   However, I'm experiencing the same problem
 Jennifer
  did:  I've attached the source (deed index) I
 consulted
  to the To Do List task, noted in Results that I did
 not find
  the individual in the index, and would like to have a
  printed Research Log.  The footnote for the source
 (the
  specific deed index) is listed as footnote 1 but the
  citation itself is completely blank.
   
   I'm assuming this is a bug I need to report, or
 is
  there something I'm just not seeing to correct
 this? 
  I'm using the most recent 3/09 update.
   
   Connie
   
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and MS Access

2009-07-09 Thread Jenny M Benson

Dennis M. Kowallek wrote
Primary and foreign keys. If you don't know what these are you probably 
shouldn't be editing the database in the first place. ;-)


Very topical post as I have this evening been putting to very good use 
the tables you published on your website (and posted pointers here) 
relating to Legacy Tables in Access and the IDIME field in tbsSX.


*Really* helpful.  Thank you very much, Dennis.

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[LegacyUG] PDF Pedigree Reports

2009-07-09 Thread Anne Picketts
Has anyone had instances of pages being duplicated while making *.pdf
reports?
I have printed a 37 page PR and noticed that page 10 and 11 are
*exactly*the same, although the pages are numbered correctly (i.e. in
order).

On page 10, the last entry states 'cont 27'; on page 11, the last entry
states 'cont 28'.  I checked pages 27 and 28 and these are exactly the same
too.

Can anyone comment on this please?

-- 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and MS Access

2009-07-09 Thread GeoSci
Has anyone found how to pen the file in the Database art of Open
Office?  Should work (it opens normal Access files).

Thanks
Keith

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Jenny M Bensonge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote:
 Dennis M. Kowallek wrote

 Primary and foreign keys. If you don't know what these are you probably
 shouldn't be editing the database in the first place. ;-)

 Very topical post as I have this evening been putting to very good use the
 tables you published on your website (and posted pointers here) relating to
 Legacy Tables in Access and the IDIME field in tbsSX.

 *Really* helpful.  Thank you very much, Dennis.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and MS Access

2009-07-09 Thread ronald ferguson

Keith,
 
See the tutorial on my website (www.fergys.co.uk/)



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 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:46:32 -0400
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and MS Access
 From: geosc...@gmail.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

 Has anyone found how to pen the file in the Database art of Open
 Office? Should work (it opens normal Access files).

 Thanks
 Keith

 On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
 Dennis M. Kowallek wrote

 Primary and foreign keys. If you don't know what these are you probably
 shouldn't be editing the database in the first place. ;-)

 Very topical post as I have this evening been putting to very good use the
 tables you published on your website (and posted pointers here) relating to
 Legacy Tables in Access and the IDIME field in tbsSX.

 *Really* helpful. Thank you very much, Dennis.

 (Don't worry, Sherry, I backed up first!!)
 --
 Jenny M Benson



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[LegacyUG] Witness event sentence structure

2009-07-09 Thread Paula Ryburn

To tell you the truth, I'm not sure if the event Witness came to me with the 
L7 upgrade or if I added myself, but I do know I read about it on this list  
then started using it.

Now I see that the sentence structure I have is skimpy and geared only toward 
use as a marriage event.  All fields are displayed but [Desc/Notes] witnessed 
this marriage. no matter what fields are entered, and without sources.

Tonight I was wanting to add a Witness event to an individual... my 
grandmother's sister was one of the witnesses for my grandmother's marriage.  
Maybe it's too late at night to start working on a sentence structure, but I 
can't figure out how to make this event work in either case:
 Marriage:   So and so witnessed this marriage.
 Individual:  So and so witnessed the marriage of the other ones on date 
in place.

If you have tried this or have any suggestions, please do share.

Many thanks in advance,
--Paula in Texas




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Re: [LegacyUG] Witness event sentence structure

2009-07-09 Thread Patti Wyble

I did not have a witness event, and wrote the following. Feel free to use or 
modify.

All fields: [HeShe] was a witness to [Desc] [onDate] [inPlace].[Sources] [Notes]
Desc and Date: [HeShe] was a witness to [Desc] [onDate].[Sources] [Notes]
Desc and Place: [HeShe] was a witness to [Desc] [inPlace].[Sources] [Notes]
Date and Place: [HeShe] was a witness for an event [onDate] [inPlace].[Sources] 
[Notes]
Desc only: [HeShe] was a witness to [Desc].[Sources] [Notes]
Date only: [HeShe] was a witness for an event [onDate].[Sources] [Notes]
Place only: [HeShe] was a witness for an event [inPlace].[Sources] [Notes]
All empty: [HeShe] was a witness for an event.[Sources] [Notes]

This assumes that you will type a desc that is a string with an article such as 
the marriage of Person1 and Person2 or the baptism of Person1 or a UFO as 
the case may be.

Cheers,

-Patti Wyble



  



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Re: [LegacyUG] Witness event sentence structure

2009-07-09 Thread Paula Ryburn

Patti,
You make me chuckle! ;)
I will try this in the morning.
Thanks so much,
--Paula


--- On Thu, 7/9/09, Patti Wyble calliope...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
 I did not have a witness event, and wrote the following.
 Feel free to use or modify.
 
 All fields: [HeShe] was a witness to [Desc] [onDate]
 [inPlace].[Sources] [Notes]
 Desc and Date: [HeShe] was a witness to [Desc]
 [onDate].[Sources] [Notes]
 Desc and Place: [HeShe] was a witness to [Desc]
 [inPlace].[Sources] [Notes]
 Date and Place: [HeShe] was a witness for an event [onDate]
 [inPlace].[Sources] [Notes]
 Desc only: [HeShe] was a witness to [Desc].[Sources]
 [Notes]
 Date only: [HeShe] was a witness for an event
 [onDate].[Sources] [Notes]
 Place only: [HeShe] was a witness for an event
 [inPlace].[Sources] [Notes]
 All empty: [HeShe] was a witness for an event.[Sources]
 [Notes]
 
 This assumes that you will type a desc that is a string
 with an article such as the marriage of Person1 and
 Person2 or the baptism of Person1 or a UFO as the case
 may be.
 
 Cheers,
 
 -Patti Wyble
 




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