Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
That's why I always use N.N. N.N. (others use different names i.e. [.?.] ) for an unknown person so any Unknowns in the Marriage list (or Name list) could be ghost spouses (or individuals) and should be checked. Evert 2010/6/8 Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk: Brian, No, I do not consider it to be a bug. I have known that it happens for years, and from time to time we get these ghost marriages cropping up on LUG. BTW on my setup, in the case of a multiple marriage, spotting it would be even more difficult than you suggest as I do not X married somone, simply X married. So I am very careful with the Marriage Screen!! I have wondered, on and off, for a long time how this might be changed, but cannot come up with anything because Legacy allows a spouse to be blank, and I want it to stay that way. If you can make a suggestion why not submit it as an enhancement? Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: Wow, that's right. I just went to an un-married child, intentionally clicked on the Marriage Information window, entered nothing, typed nothing, and clicked on nothing other than SAVE. Legacy creates an unknown spouse for this person but does not display any name or any other indication of a marriage. In fact, the Family view of the person would continue to look just as it did before. And if the user happened to select in the Customization (Preferences), Data Format tab, Child List indicators to NOT display the special symbols at the ends of names, then they'd have no way of knowing that there is an unknown spouse. They would never know this problem exists unless they created certain types of reports in which case we'd see the infamous Persons-name married SOMEONE. And then another problem is that it is difficult for a novice or beginning user to figure out how to eliminate this unknown person (actually it's an unknown marriage). You can't click on the area where the unknown spouse's name would be to edit it becausewell, Legacy won't allow you to edit something that doesn't exist. Clicking to open the Marriage Information window provides nothing but a blank window. There is nothing to edit, no indication that a marriage exists, and no means of telling Legacy that there really isn't any marriage. I can only encourage beginning users to make sure they remember to right click on everything and anything. Right clicking on the marriage info brings up the desired Remove the marriage link option. But now, my big question. Do the rest of you believe that this is a bug --- create a marriage when the user enter absolutely no data whatsoever? I should think that if the SAVE button is accidentally and unknowingly clicked, Legacy should warn the user that no data exists but it will create a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 2:15 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse Or you might have gone into the Marriage Information window and clicked on Save when you closed the window. That would add an unknown marriage. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Legacy Backup
Lloyd, On the backup dialog screen, select options. You can then select what you wish to do, append date, and append time. I have them both selected. Tim Tech Support Legacy Family Tree Hi Tim, Yes I have selected Options and clicked both ot them. Before this update I could click backup and the backup dialog screen would open and all I did was click Backup at the bottom of the screen and it would backup to the Legacy Backup folder on my external hard drive.I know that it did because I would open that folder about once a week and delete all the backups except the last two. By the way Tim, when will I be able to get my LUG Mail in my mail box. I am having to go to the Archives to read the LUG Mail. Lloyd Get Free Email with Video Mail Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Legacy Backup
Make sure you haven't accidentally started an older version of Legacy. Hello Dennis, I am using version 7.4.0.45. Is that the latest version? Lloyd Get Free Email with Video Mail Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names
Syble, They are all there in the Names List under the Edit tab. Whilst I tend to prefer to see technical things on paper rather than on the screen, please don't forget that books and manuals become outdated, whereas the Help Files are always u to date (and sometimes in advance grin) Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England - Original Message - From: Syble Glasscock To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: 08 June 2010 04:09 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names Actually I use my Legacy Book rather than the Help. I have the RINs shown, because they match my website pages, and when I view the Name List, it's easy to find the corresponding person in my Legacy file also. Maybe I'm missing something, but I've only been able to get one of the RIN numbers or the User IDs or the AFNs to show on the Name List, is there a way of two of them to show on the Name List? Thanks, Syble --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 10:59 PM Original Message From: Syble Glasscock To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: 07 June 2010 23:47 Subject: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names Thanks for all who replied, I've not used the User ID nor the AFN in the past. I tried on a few of the names using the User ID and then tried adding it in the Title Suf field. Both can work for me seeing the number at a glance, but I'm concerned about the addition of these numbers being on my webpages. Will these show up on the webpage creation? Example: My gg grandfather's number is (1.3.1.2), then as the children are added the number becomes longer such as (1.3.1.2.5) etc., so this might be confusing to others. I'm not sure what others use these User ID or the AFN's for, so didn't want to use them, only to find out they might have a better use in the future. Thanks again, Syble Cline Glasscock Sybil, There are options in the web creation pages for you to show RINs + MRINs, AFNs and UserID (InternetCreate Web PagesWhat). If, however you have the number as a prefix or suffix you cannot strip them, so they will always appear. Frankly I would never use this method of attaching the numbers, unless I was using all the others. Actually I use the UserID for that purpose and also the prefix and suffixes for their proper purpose, so I would have to use the AFN - but I probably would anyhow! You can find out what the options are for by looking them up in the Help Files, it is very good, you know! Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Legacy Backup
I have been working all morning trying to get Legacy to make a backup. I tried backing up to Legacy Data folder with no luck. I tried backing up to 128mb thumb-drive, still no luck. I am wondering if I reinstall Legacy over the old data, if that would do it. Help please! Lloyd Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c0e18b62da88308d8est02vuc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Backup
Lloyd Hite wrote: I have been working all morning trying to get Legacy to make a backup. I tried backing up to Legacy Data folder with no luck. I tried backing up to 128mb thumb-drive, still no luck. I am wondering if I reinstall Legacy over the old data, if that would do it. Help please! Lloyd Lloyd I would probably do that for an initial go. I would, uninstall Legacy first though. If that doesn't work, you may need to consider deleting/renaming all the .USR files, uninstalling and reinstalling. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG]
Sherri, Hi. Just a friendly note to let you know that the use of HTML in e-mails is not allowed by the Legacy User Group guidelines. While your picture and background is pretty, many people who subscribe to this list have set filters to automatically delete any e-mail which comes in HTML format, so many of the users of this list will not be able to see your question or answer it. Depending on what e-mail program you use, you should try and set it that e-mails sent to this list are always sent in plain text. As regards your query, have you tried the check/repair option at FileFile MaintenanceCheck/Repair. This often fixes problems such as this. Regards, Dermot. -- Try out Legacy Family Tree Software today! It's FREE!! http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/?Click=1440 On 7 June 2010 21:06, Sherri Sontag ourtnfamilyt...@yahoo.com wrote: I have an error that I get that says can't retrieve missing marriage MRIN file 3021 or something like that. It happens when I go to view a 2nd marriage and sometimes when I go to add a person, if I close out and come back it is good for a while and then it starts again. I have tried to copy to a new file and it just keeps happening. Sherri L Sontag http://www.ourtennesseefamilytree.com Life is too short to wake up with regrets. So love the people who treat you right. Love the ones who don't just because you can. Believe everything happens for a reason. If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. If it changes your life, let it. Kiss slowly. Forgive quickly. God never said life would be easy. He just promised it would be worth it. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Legacy Backup
I would probably do that for an initial go. I would, uninstall Legacy first though. If that doesn't work, you may need to consider deleting/renaming all the .USR files, uninstalling and reinstalling. Ron Ferguson The problem with that Ron, is that I do not have a backup file to install after reinstalling Legacy. I have three backups from version 7.4.0.39, but the latest one is dated in May. I have made a lot of changes and added several people since then. By the way, can I go back to Legacy and download version 7.4.0.39 again? That was the ver. I had before downloading 7.4.0.45. Lloyd Health Plans From $50/mo. Compare Low-Cost Health Plans Online. Blue Cross, Aetna and more. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c0e2bbd89d0c2b590dst05vuc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names
Ron Ferguson wrote They are all there in the Names List under the Edit tab. Only for the Individual highlighted, thought. For the list itself there is only the option of RIN *or* UserID. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Backup
On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:38:40 -0400, Lloyd Hite lhite3...@juno.com wrote: The problem with that Ron, is that I do not have a backup file to install after reinstalling Legacy. I have three backups from version 7.4.0.39, but the latest one is dated in May. I have made a lot of changes and added several people since then. By the way, can I go back to Legacy and download version 7.4.0.39 again? That was the ver. I had before downloading 7.4.0.45. An uninstall will NOT delete your family files. If you do not trust it, simply copy your Legacy\Data folder to someplace safe. FYI. A legacy backup is just a .zip containing various data files. You can accomplish the same thing by creating your own .zip of your Legacy\Data folder and saving it someplace safe. However, if you do this don't count on it working with Legacy's Restore function. You will have to restore manually by extracting the files you want from the .zip. If I were you I would close Legacy and delete all the Legacy *.usr files. Then restart Legacy and see if this fixes things. I assume you have also tried rebooting your PC. If that doesn't work, an uninstall/reinstall like Ron suggested would be my next plan. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Backup
Reply Off List Tim Tech Support Legacy Family Tree On 6/8/2010 2:23 AM, Lloyd Hite wrote: By the way Tim, when will I be able to get my LUG Mail in my mail box. I am having to go to the Archives to read the LUG Mail. Lloyd Get Free Email with Video Mail Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names
Jenny M Benson wrote: Ron Ferguson wrote They are all there in the Names List under the Edit tab. Only for the Individual highlighted, thought. For the list itself there is only the option of RIN *or* UserID. True, Jenny. But, if I wnted continual access I would be using the Index View, where they can be included in the columns. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Backup
Lloyd, You can only download and install the latest version, so you cannot go back to .39. There is no place to download any of the back builds. On the backup dialog, under the button/bar, it will tell you that Currently: .. Take a look to see where it tells you the location you want it to backup to. The backup will be exactly there. If you selected the date and time and you will see that appended to the file name. I failed to mention earlier, that if you are not using the Deluxe version, the date and time feature you will not be able to use, so you can only backup the family file name. I hope this with your questions. If you are still having troubles, would you send me your Backup.usr and a screen shot of the Backup Dialog. Screen shots are NOT allowed on this list, so send it to t...@legacyfamilytree.com Thanks, Tim Tech Support Legacy Family Tree On 6/8/2010 2:23 AM, Lloyd Hite wrote: Lloyd, On the backup dialog screen, select options. You can then select what you wish to do, append date, and append time. I have them both selected. Tim Tech Support Legacy Family Tree Hi Tim, Yes I have selected Options and clicked both ot them. Before this update I could click backup and the backup dialog screen would open and all I did was click Backup at the bottom of the screen and it would backup to the Legacy Backup folder on my external hard drive.I know that it did because I would open that folder about once a week and delete all the backups except the last two. By the way Tim, when will I be able to get my LUG Mail in my mail box. I am having to go to the Archives to read the LUG Mail. Lloyd Get Free Email with Video Mail Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Backup
Lloyd, I just noticed your comment about not getting your emails. Are you still not getting them? I noted the other day that Ken confirmed your subscription. If they're not coming to your inbox, check the spam box on both the web and in your email program to make sure they're not getting filtered there. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! -Original Message- From: Tim/Support [mailto:t...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:20 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Backup On 6/8/2010 2:23 AM, Lloyd Hite wrote: snip By the way Tim, when will I be able to get my LUG Mail in my mail box. I am having to go to the Archives to read the LUG Mail. Lloyd Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Backup
Lloyd, What happens when you try to make the backup? Are you getting any error messages? Which version of Windows are you using? Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! -Original Message- From: Lloyd Hite [mailto:lhite3...@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:17 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy Backup I have been working all morning trying to get Legacy to make a backup. I tried backing up to Legacy Data folder with no luck. I tried backing up to 128mb thumb-drive, still no luck. I am wondering if I reinstall Legacy over the old data, if that would do it. Help please! Lloyd Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
The issue is if you click on Save, Legacy thinks you want to add a marriage. When you exit a window without adding or editing any data, it's always wise to click on Cancel Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! -Original Message- From: BMcL Robinson [mailto:b...@vodafone.co.nz] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:10 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse Hi Brian - I would not say bug, but design weakness (worthy of review, as you are implying). Cheers, Brett BMcL Robinson, NZ - Original Message - From: Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 11:42 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse Wow, that's right. I just went to an un-married child, intentionally clicked on the Marriage Information window, entered nothing, typed nothing, and clicked on nothing other than SAVE. Legacy creates an unknown spouse for this person but does not display any name or any other indication of a marriage. In fact, the Family view of the person would continue to look just as it did before. And if the user happened to select in the Customization (Preferences), Data Format tab, Child List indicators to NOT display the special symbols at the ends of names, then they'd have no way of knowing that there is an unknown spouse. They would never know this problem exists unless they created certain types of reports in which case we'd see the infamous Persons-name married SOMEONE. And then another problem is that it is difficult for a novice or beginning user to figure out how to eliminate this unknown person (actually it's an unknown marriage). You can't click on the area where the unknown spouse's name would be to edit it becausewell, Legacy won't allow you to edit something that doesn't exist. Clicking to open the Marriage Information window provides nothing but a blank window. There is nothing to edit, no indication that a marriage exists, and no means of telling Legacy that there really isn't any marriage. I can only encourage beginning users to make sure they remember to right click on everything and anything. Right clicking on the marriage info brings up the desired Remove the marriage link option. But now, my big question. Do the rest of you believe that this is a bug --- create a marriage when the user enter absolutely no data whatsoever? I should think that if the SAVE button is accidentally and unknowingly clicked, Legacy should warn the user that no data exists but it will create a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel. Brian in CA -Original Message- Or you might have gone into the Marriage Information window and clicked on Save when you closed the window. That would add an unknown marriage. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Screen Display
Garry, Some of the color options are based on Windows settings. Most of them are based on Legacy settings. If you want to send a ticket to supp...@legacyfamilytree.com, one of our support techs can work with you to solve the problem you're having. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! -Original Message- From: Garry F Bell [mailto:ga...@woosh.co.nz] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 10:36 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Screen Display Hi from a prospective Legacy User Legacy has many features which impress me but as I have a vision problem I am having difficulty with some of it's screen colours. My problem is that I am more comfortable viewing white text on black and accordingly have Windows7 set to High Contrast. I have downloaded the standard version of Legacy and have changed the appearance as much as I can from the Colours Option screen,and altho' I can view most of it comfortably there are still a few minor problems.which I would like to overcome. For example one of them is relates to the Add (daughter) box where the four buttons (Cancel, Help etc) appear white with no text. Can I improve on this? I apologise if this is meaningless to most of you but there may be someone out there who can understand what I am on about and can assist. With thanks Garry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] unknown spouse - was Young Children have Unknown Spouse
Actually, un-wanted marriage records can be found for other situations besides those mentioned for young children. A marriage record is always required to connect a child with a parent. The marriage list does show marriages where one or both spouses are unknown, meaning the spouse does not have a RIN. Be sure that CustomizeViewDisplay Numbers on NamesOn all Name Lists is checked and the radio button for RINs is set. The marriage list shows the word Unknown even if you have selected the option (Just leave it blank) under CustomizeData FormatWord for Blank Records. There will be no RIN next to spouses that are actually blank so these Unknowns are distinguished from an individual that has the word Unknown in the name field because that record will have a RIN. It would be great to have a built-in search which could find all marriage records where there is a blank spouse and there are no children and no data is in the marriage record. These are usually marriage records that were added by accident and the user will likely want to remove them. The pre-defined search for Individuals with an unknown spouse does find individuals with this type marriage but it would be more helpful if it found the marriages that satisfy these conditions because often the individuals found have other marriages as well as the blank spouse type. Brian offered a very good option possibility when he said... create a marriage when the user enter absolutely no data whatsoever? I should think that if the SAVE button is accidentally and unknowingly clicked, Legacy should warn the user that no data exists but it will create a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel. That would allow the user a method to avoid adding these un-wanted marriage records. Thanks Brian for proposing your solution. Ron Taylor Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
I concur with Brian's suggestion: warn the user that no data exists but it will create a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel. Doing nothing shouldn't result in doing something. Mike On 6/8/2010 11:13 AM, Sherry/Support wrote: The issue is if you click on Save, Legacy thinks you want to add a marriage. When you exit a window without adding or editing any data, it's always wise to click on Cancel Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! -Original Message- From: BMcL Robinson [mailto:b...@vodafone.co.nz] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:10 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse Hi Brian - I would not say bug, but design weakness (worthy of review, as you are implying). Cheers, Brett BMcL Robinson, NZ - Original Message - From: Brian L. Lightfootbr...@the-lightfoots.com To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 11:42 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse Wow, that's right. I just went to an un-married child, intentionally clicked on the Marriage Information window, entered nothing, typed nothing, and clicked on nothing other than SAVE. Legacy creates an unknown spouse for this person but does not display any name or any other indication of a marriage. In fact, the Family view of the person would continue to look just as it did before. And if the user happened to select in the Customization (Preferences), Data Format tab, Child List indicators to NOT display the special symbols at the ends of names, then they'd have no way of knowing that there is an unknown spouse. They would never know this problem exists unless they created certain types of reports in which case we'd see the infamous Persons-name married SOMEONE. And then another problem is that it is difficult for a novice or beginning user to figure out how to eliminate this unknown person (actually it's an unknown marriage). You can't click on the area where the unknown spouse's name would be to edit it becausewell, Legacy won't allow you to edit something that doesn't exist. Clicking to open the Marriage Information window provides nothing but a blank window. There is nothing to edit, no indication that a marriage exists, and no means of telling Legacy that there really isn't any marriage. I can only encourage beginning users to make sure they remember to right click on everything and anything. Right clicking on the marriage info brings up the desired Remove the marriage link option. But now, my big question. Do the rest of you believe that this is a bug --- create a marriage when the user enter absolutely no data whatsoever? I should think that if the SAVE button is accidentally and unknowingly clicked, Legacy should warn the user that no data exists but it will create a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel. Brian in CA -Original Message- Or you might have gone into the Marriage Information window and clicked on Save when you closed the window. That would add an unknown marriage. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
For some reason, Ron's message never came through to me. But to answer his request that I make it a suggestion, I've already done so. When I accidentally attempt to crop a picture in Photoshop without selecting an area, Photoshop is smart enough to bring up a window that says No Pixels Selected. I should think that Legacy should be smart enough to realize that the user has not entered any data whatsoever about a marriage yet is requesting a SAVE operation. Legacy should bring up a window saying something along the lines of No data has been entered but a marriage link is about to be created --- CONTINUE or CANCEL. (Note that this should only appear when there is no data entered at all.) And to answer Evert's remarks about using different names or initials for the unknown persons. That's a good idea if there really is a person in your file with a name of Unknown. But that's one of the problems with the accidental creation of a marriage link --- No person with the name unknown is created. In fact, no person is created at all. There is no additional person added to the Name List and there is no additional Unknown created. It's a problem of the creation of a marriage link only and not of a unknown person. There are probably many users who have these ghost marriages yet they have no Unknown names in their Name List. There is no name or RIN created thus Legacy uses the term someone whenever certain types of reports are created. To my knowledge, that is the only way of finding out about such ghost marriages assuming that the user has turned off the special symbol display on the Family View or doesn't know what the special symbol alongside the name means. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Evert van Dijken [mailto:evandij...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:03 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse That's why I always use N.N. N.N. (others use different names i.e. [.?.] ) for an unknown person so any Unknowns in the Marriage list (or Name list) could be ghost spouses (or individuals) and should be checked. Evert 2010/6/8 Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk: Brian, No, I do not consider it to be a bug. I have known that it happens for years, and from time to time we get these ghost marriages cropping up on LUG. BTW on my setup, in the case of a multiple marriage, spotting it would be even more difficult than you suggest as I do not X married somone, simply X married. So I am very careful with the Marriage Screen!! I have wondered, on and off, for a long time how this might be changed, but cannot come up with anything because Legacy allows a spouse to be blank, and I want it to stay that way. If you can make a suggestion why not submit it as an enhancement? Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
And in a perfect world, it's always a good thing to choose your parents wisely. :-) Sorry Sherry, I couldn't resist that. Maybe that's the problem with these ghost marriages. Accidents happen. SAVE gets clicked. But the user has no idea what just happened. And the solution is not easily discerned. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:14 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse snip When you exit a window without adding or editing any data, it's always wise to click on Cancel Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
You are right, Doing nothing shouldn't result in doing something - the problem is if you click on Save, you have done something, you created a record. If you click on Cancel then you have canceled the creation of a record. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Michael C. Morrison morri...@niacc.eduwrote: I concur with Brian's suggestion: warn the user that no data exists but it will create a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel. Doing nothing shouldn't result in doing something. Mike On 6/8/2010 11:13 AM, Sherry/Support wrote: The issue is if you click on Save, Legacy thinks you want to add a marriage. When you exit a window without adding or editing any data, it's always wise to click on Cancel Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/ We are changing the world of genealogy! -- Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Potential Problem List
Hi yall, While in the Potential Problems Dialog, what is the difference between 'Create Problems List' and 'View Existing Problems List' ? They seem to produce the same output for me, with the options to print, save, . . What am I missing ? Regards, Tim Rosenlof Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
Maybe we're dealing with semantics here. A record to me would include the addition of an input. If one doesn't add an input then there shouldn't be a record. If you click on a cell in Excel but don't add anything to the cell and then click save one doesn't get a ghost record/observation. The same thing happens in my favorite statistics program (Stata). Or, in word processing if one creates a table and then clicks on a cell in the table but you don't add anything to that cell and then click save you don't get a ghost input. The advantage of software programs that follow similar logic increases efficency and accuracy. I really like Legacy but I think in this case Legacy is not following customary practices in the industry. Brian had it right -- it's any easy addition to a marvelous program. My humble opinion :-) Mike On 6/8/2010 12:20 PM, Ron Bernier wrote: You are right, Doing nothing shouldn't result in doing something - the problem is if you click on Save, you have done something, you created a record. If you click on Cancel then you have canceled the creation of a record. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Michael C. Morrison morri...@niacc.edu mailto:morri...@niacc.edu wrote: I concur with Brian's suggestion: warn the user that no data exists but it will create a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel. Doing nothing shouldn't result in doing something. Mike On 6/8/2010 11:13 AM, Sherry/Support wrote: The issue is if you click on Save, Legacy thinks you want to add a marriage. When you exit a window without adding or editing any data, it's always wise to click on Cancel Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/ We are changing the world of genealogy! -- Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Potential Problem List
Tim, Create builds the problem list and lets you view it. View just re-opens the existing problem list and then lets you view it. Ron Taylor Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Seminars?
I am trying to convert my files from FTM to Legacy. I find it difficult to edit the notes and to set up sources. (I have some 4000 names in my files.) I would like some help. So, If there are seminars or classes that teach HOW TO USE LEGACY, how do I find one in my area? Bill McFall Las Vegas, NV ke6wxb...@gmail.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Anyone have a citation they can provide for information obtained from Facebook? What Source Template do you use? What does your citation look like? Thanks, Scott Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] unknown spouse - was Young Children have Unknown Spouse
After a bit more thought, I realized that using the pre-defined search Individuals with an unknown spouse could then be viewed in the search results name list under the right hand tab Family where those spouses who are unknown without any children are easy to see. Some said that the original memo was not posted, so it is below. Ron Taylor --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Ron Taylor doit4...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Ron Taylor doit4...@yahoo.com Subject: [LegacyUG] unknown spouse - was Young Children have Unknown Spouse To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 10:29 AM Actually, un-wanted marriage records can be found for other situations besides those mentioned for young children. A marriage record is always required to connect a child with a parent. The marriage list does show marriages where one or both spouses are unknown, meaning the spouse does not have a RIN. Be sure that CustomizeViewDisplay Numbers on NamesOn all Name Lists is checked and the radio button for RINs is set. The marriage list shows the word Unknown even if you have selected the option (Just leave it blank) under CustomizeData FormatWord for Blank Records. There will be no RIN next to spouses that are actually blank so these Unknowns are distinguished from an individual that has the word Unknown in the name field because that record will have a RIN. It would be great to have a built-in search which could find all marriage records where there is a blank spouse and there are no children and no data is in the marriage record. These are usually marriage records that were added by accident and the user will likely want to remove them. The pre-defined search for Individuals with an unknown spouse does find individuals with this type marriage but it would be more helpful if it found the marriages that satisfy these conditions because often the individuals found have other marriages as well as the blank spouse type. Brian offered a very good option possibility when he said... create a marriage when the user enter absolutely no data whatsoever? I should think that if the SAVE button is accidentally and unknowingly clicked, Legacy should warn the user that no data exists but it will create a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel. That would allow the user a method to avoid adding these un-wanted marriage records. Thanks Brian for proposing your solution. Ron Taylor Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Scott Hall wrote: Anyone have a citation they can provide for information obtained from Facebook? What Source Template do you use? What does your citation look like? Thanks, Scott Scott, InternetwebsiteGeneric Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
Mike, As I tried to explain, there is a difference in Legacy and that Legacy *must* create a blank/unknown record for a spouse/partner if a child is entered. You comparison with clicking a cell in Excel is, therefore, in my opinion invalid. Any change to prevent a record being created on clicking the Save button, must not override an essential record created because of the existence of a child. So what is really required is an instruction such as don't change the current status. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Michael C. Morrison wrote: Maybe we're dealing with semantics here. A record to me would include the addition of an input. If one doesn't add an input then there shouldn't be a record. If you click on a cell in Excel but don't add anything to the cell and then click save one doesn't get a ghost record/observation. The same thing happens in my favorite statistics program (Stata). Or, in word processing if one creates a table and then clicks on a cell in the table but you don't add anything to that cell and then click save you don't get a ghost input. The advantage of software programs that follow similar logic increases efficency and accuracy. I really like Legacy but I think in this case Legacy is not following customary practices in the industry. Brian had it right -- it's any easy addition to a marvelous program. My humble opinion :-) Mike On 6/8/2010 12:20 PM, Ron Bernier wrote: You are right, Doing nothing shouldn't result in doing something - the problem is if you click on Save, you have done something, you created a record. If you click on Cancel then you have canceled the creation of a record. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Michael C. Morrison morri...@niacc.edu mailto:morri...@niacc.edu wrote: I concur with Brian's suggestion: warn the user that no data exists but it will create a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel. Doing nothing shouldn't result in doing something. Mike On 6/8/2010 11:13 AM, Sherry/Support wrote: The issue is if you click on Save, Legacy thinks you want to add a marriage. When you exit a window without adding or editing any data, it's always wise to click on Cancel Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/ We are changing the world of genealogy! -- Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Ron: Thanks. One problem I see with that is where do you reference the specific page you were on? The generic internet template only includes source information for the website as a whole. There isn't really anyplace to properly source the page used. I've tried to use the Database template, but I can't seem to permanently clear the Format field, which is not needed. Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by *)? Barack Obama, Barack Obama, *Facebook* (http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : accessed 8 June 2010) Obama, Barack. Barack Obama *Facebook*. http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : 2010 Thanks, Scott On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Scott Hall wrote: Anyone have a citation they can provide for information obtained from Facebook? What Source Template do you use? What does your citation look like? Thanks, Scott Scott, InternetwebsiteGeneric Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names
That was my conclusion. I use the Name List a lot, and it is confusing with so many duplicate names. I keep the Detail option open, which helps to see the parents, spouse etc. It would be a great help to have an option to have the RINs and the User ID's visible. Thanks, Syble --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 11:45 AM Ron Ferguson wrote They are all there in the Names List under the Edit tab. Only for the Individual highlighted, thought. For the list itself there is only the option of RIN *or* UserID. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Scott, There are fields there for Website Creator and Website Title. Have you looked at the Source Detail? I haven't a clue as to what it *should* look like and frankly I don't even know what that means! Nor do I know what is meant by I can't seem to permanently clear the Format field, which is not needed. On the right hand side of the data entry box is shown the output. Just fill in the data in such a way as it gives you the result you require. It doesn't matter what the field name says, in my view. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Scott Hall wrote: Ron: Thanks. One problem I see with that is where do you reference the specific page you were on? The generic internet template only includes source information for the website as a whole. There isn't really anyplace to properly source the page used. I've tried to use the Database template, but I can't seem to permanently clear the Format field, which is not needed. Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by *)? Barack Obama, Barack Obama, *Facebook* (http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : accessed 8 June 2010) Obama, Barack. Barack Obama *Facebook*. http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : 2010 Thanks, Scott On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Scott Hall wrote: Anyone have a citation they can provide for information obtained from Facebook? What Source Template do you use? What does your citation look like? Thanks, Scott Scott, InternetwebsiteGeneric Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
Michael C. Morrison wrote I concur with Brian's suggestion: warn the user that no data exists but it will create a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel. Doing nothing shouldn't result in doing something. But you're not doing nothing. You're clicking Save which is a positive action. If you want to get out without appearing to have done anything you need to use Cancel. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Potential Problem List
Tim Rosenlof wrote While in the Potential Problems Dialog, what is the difference between 'Create Problems List' and 'View Existing Problems List' ? They seem to produce the same output for me, with the options to print, save, . . What am I missing ? The former causes Legacy to go off and check for Problems, before presenting them to you in a list. The latter just presents the list of problems that were created last time you used the first button and the list doesn't include any problems which have arisen since then. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Scott, Ron's suggestion will provide you with exactly the citation format you are seeking, however, you will need to have a separate master source for Barack Obama's page, another for Sarah Palin's page, etc. That doesn't bother me one bit (well, writing those two names in the same sentence does, but I digress), and is the method I use for websites like Ancestry.com or FamilySearchLabs (to which I consider Facebook analogous in that they are humongous sites with vast amounts of data that require splitting into smaller parts for purposes of citation). However, some will consider it extreme splitting and therefore unacceptable. I consider the alternative extreme lumping and unacceptable. Your mileage may vary, in which case you could still use the template Ron suggested but put Barack Obama in the Item of Interest section of source detail. Connie Scott Hall seh0...@gmail.com wrote: Ron: Thanks. One problem I see with that is where do you reference the specific page you were on? The generic internet template only includes source information for the website as a whole. There isn't really anyplace to properly source the page used. I've tried to use the Database template, but I can't seem to permanently clear the Format field, which is not needed. Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by *)? Barack Obama, Barack Obama, *Facebook* (http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : accessed 8 June 2010) Obama, Barack. Barack Obama *Facebook*. http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : 2010 Thanks, Scott On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Scott Hall wrote: Anyone have a citation they can provide for information obtained from Facebook? What Source Template do you use? What does your citation look like? Thanks, Scott Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Ron, Scott means that Evidence Explained suggests the citation style he posted would be the correct format, and that if he uses the database template, he can't erase the word database from the citation output. Or so I interpret. Connie --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 8:37 PM Scott, There are fields there for Website Creator and Website Title. Have you looked at the Source Detail? I haven't a clue as to what it *should* look like and frankly I don't even know what that means! Nor do I know what is meant by I can't seem to permanently clear the Format field, which is not needed. On the right hand side of the data entry box is shown the output. Just fill in the data in such a way as it gives you the result you require. It doesn't matter what the field name says, in my view. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names
Emphasis: It would be a great help to have an option to have the RINs and the User ID's visible. Well, we have that now. In the Name List, on the left side are some numbers. They are the RINs. You can change that to the User ID by clicking on Options Show User ID in List. there isn't a way to show both at the same time though. I have a lot of James Carneals. For me, adding the birth year and death year to the name helps me to zero in which James Carneal is which one. Thanks. Robert At 2010-06-08 02:56 PM, you wrote: That was my conclusion. I use the Name List a lot, and it is confusing with so many duplicate names. I keep the Detail option open, which helps to see the parents, spouse etc. It would be a great help to have an option to have the RINs and the User ID's visible. Thanks, Syble --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 11:45 AM Ron Ferguson wrote They are all there in the Names List under the Edit tab. Only for the Individual highlighted, thought. For the list itself there is only the option of RIN *or* UserID. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Connie Sheets wrote That doesn't bother me one bit (well, writing those two names in the same sentence does, but I digress), and is the method I use for websites like Ancestry.com or FamilySearchLabs (to which I consider Facebook analogous in that they are humongous sites with vast amounts of data that require splitting into smaller parts for purposes of citation). I don't use Facebook at all, but as far as I know it is quite *un*like Ancestry in that it does not supply a set of various different databases. I never use Ancestry as a Source - I use the particular database within Ancestry. Family Search Labs doesn't present its data in quite the same separated way, but again I use a separate Master Source for each set of data. I think that I am neither an extreme lumper nor an extreme splitter. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
Because Legacy creates for the screen only, a person 'named Unknown', you can find them all quickly. Go to Marr List, choose either the column for husband or wife, hit the button 'first', and all the empty people show up alphabetically in front of the letter 'A', which helps you find those that are missing, or need more research. If you have entered 'Unknown' in the name field, that person will show up in the letter 'U' instead. You may need to check both first name and surname for each sex to find all. You can also tag on them for future work. This way you don't need to add numbers to names or other workarounds. This way you can FIND all, and decide what to do about it. I found I had some marriages with 'blank' and 'blank' as spouses, which I deleted the meaningless (to me) record. Hope this hels Rich in LA CA --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote: From: Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 10:02 AM For some reason, Ron's message never came through to me. But to answer his request that I make it a suggestion, I've already done so. When I accidentally attempt to crop a picture in Photoshop without selecting an area, Photoshop is smart enough to bring up a window that says No Pixels Selected. I should think that Legacy should be smart enough to realize that the user has not entered any data whatsoever about a marriage yet is requesting a SAVE operation. Legacy should bring up a window saying something along the lines of No data has been entered but a marriage link is about to be created --- CONTINUE or CANCEL. (Note that this should only appear when there is no data entered at all.) And to answer Evert's remarks about using different names or initials for the unknown persons. That's a good idea if there really is a person in your file with a name of Unknown. But that's one of the problems with the accidental creation of a marriage link --- No person with the name unknown is created. In fact, no person is created at all. There is no additional person added to the Name List and there is no additional Unknown created. It's a problem of the creation of a marriage link only and not of a unknown person. There are probably many users who have these ghost marriages yet they have no Unknown names in their Name List. There is no name or RIN created thus Legacy uses the term someone whenever certain types of reports are created. To my knowledge, that is the only way of finding out about such ghost marriages assuming that the user has turned off the special symbol display on the Family View or doesn't know what the special symbol alongside the name means. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Evert van Dijken [mailto:evandij...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:03 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse That's why I always use N.N. N.N. (others use different names i.e. [.?.] ) for an unknown person so any Unknowns in the Marriage list (or Name list) could be ghost spouses (or individuals) and should be checked. Evert 2010/6/8 Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk: Brian, No, I do not consider it to be a bug. I have known that it happens for years, and from time to time we get these ghost marriages cropping up on LUG. BTW on my setup, in the case of a multiple marriage, spotting it would be even more difficult than you suggest as I do not X married somone, simply X married. So I am very careful with the Marriage Screen!! I have wondered, on and off, for a long time how this might be changed, but cannot come up with anything because Legacy allows a spouse to be blank, and I want it to stay that way. If you can make a suggestion why not submit it as an enhancement? Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Seminars?
On the main Legacy webpage, under User Groups, all the current groups and the address they meet at are listed. If you want to start one, telling support will get you listed. (I'm in Burbank, CA) If you want help starting one, talk to me off list or the staff about what to do. Rich in LA CA --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Bill McFall ke6wxb...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bill McFall ke6wxb...@gmail.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Seminars? To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 11:40 AM I am trying to convert my files from FTM to Legacy. I find it difficult to edit the notes and to set up sources. (I have some 4000 names in my files.) I would like some help. So, If there are seminars or classes that teach HOW TO USE LEGACY, how do I find one in my area? Bill McFall Las Vegas, NV ke6wxb...@gmail.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Main URL
In using SourceWriter and sourcing a web site, I am asked to put in the main URL. If my entire URL is _http://www.seacoastnh.com/women/thaxter.html_ (http://www.seacoastnh.com/women/thaxter.html) , is that what I put in or do I write in only to the first / or something else? I know that I can put in whatever I want but be consistent, etc., but what are your thoughts on what the main URL is? Howland Davis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Home button doesn't work for updating
Not the Home *button*. Click on the Legacy Home *TAB* - it's on the far left of the row of tabs. On the Legacy Home *tab*, you'll see an Updates section, where you click on the link to update Legacy. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! -Original Message- From: dennis gelpe [mailto:gelpeleg...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:40 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Home button doesn't work for updating The latest Legacy News informs us of the latest update. I have V7 Deluxe, so I supposedly should be able to access the update command vis the Home button. When I click on this all that happens is either I go to the preferred home page, or a message mentioning that appears at the bottom of the screen. How do I correct this situation, and update? Thx Dennis Gelpe Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Taking Jenny's reasoning below a step further - I think I would source information from Facebook as personal knowledge of the person who posted it to their FB page and then note in the citation details that it was posted on their FB page. (Assuming here that it's information about that person or their family that they actually have personal knowledge of. If it's not something they would reasonably know then I wouldn't use it.) To me the person is the source, FB is just the vehicle they used to provide the information. Linda M. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: I don't use Facebook at all, but as far as I know it is quite *un*like Ancestry in that it does not supply a set of various different databases. I never use Ancestry as a Source - I use the particular database within Ancestry. Family Search Labs doesn't present its data in quite the same separated way, but again I use a separate Master Source for each set of data. I think that I am neither an extreme lumper nor an extreme splitter. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Home button doesn't work for updating
Thank you. Dennis On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: Not the Home *button*. Click on the Legacy Home *TAB* - it's on the far left of the row of tabs. On the Legacy Home *tab*, you'll see an Updates section, where you click on the link to update Legacy. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! -Original Message- From: dennis gelpe [mailto:gelpeleg...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:40 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Home button doesn't work for updating The latest Legacy News informs us of the latest update. I have V7 Deluxe, so I supposedly should be able to access the update command vis the Home button. When I click on this all that happens is either I go to the preferred home page, or a message mentioning that appears at the bottom of the screen. How do I correct this situation, and update? Thx Dennis Gelpe Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Linda, You are, of course, welcome to cite Facebook any way you want, but for those of us who prefer to follow current standards (which Mrs. Mills did not make up on her own by the way; her books are based upon the Chicago Manual of Style and earlier genealogical writers), the correct citation format is what Scott originally posted, to wit: Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by *)? Barack Obama, Barack Obama, *Facebook* (http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : accessed 8 June 2010) Obama, Barack. Barack Obama *Facebook*. http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : 2010 Depending upon the nature of the data that is being referenced, I might add a comment at the end of this citation that the information appears to be based upon Mr. Obama's personal recollection of the event (or whatever other comment would be appropriate). Connie --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Linda McCauley lindafmccau...@gmail.com wrote: From: Linda McCauley lindafmccau...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 10:02 PM Taking Jenny's reasoning below a step further - I think I would source information from Facebook as personal knowledge of the person who posted it to their FB page and then note in the citation details that it was posted on their FB page. (Assuming here that it's information about that person or their family that they actually have personal knowledge of. If it's not something they would reasonably know then I wouldn't use it.) To me the person is the source, FB is just the vehicle they used to provide the information. Linda M. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Potential Problem List
On 2010/06/08 22:39, Jenny M Benson wrote: Tim Rosenlof wrote While in the Potential Problems Dialog, what is the difference between 'Create Problems List' and 'View Existing Problems List' ? They seem to produce the same output for me, with the options to print, save, . . What am I missing ? The former causes Legacy to go off and check for Problems, before presenting them to you in a list. The latter just presents the list of problems that were created last time you used the first button and the list doesn't include any problems which have arisen since then. Or, exclude any that you may have fixed :-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
You missed the part of the thread wherein it was mentioned accidentally or un-intentionally. And as I've added, perhaps 6 months later the user prints out a report that says this 4 year old child married somebody. The user goes Huh?, looks at the Family View for the young child and see no mention of a spouse and no information about a marriage. The user thinks Legacy must be buggy. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 1:36 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse snip But you're not doing nothing. You're clicking Save which is a positive action. If you want to get out without appearing to have done anything you need to use Cancel. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Main URL
wrote In using SourceWriter and sourcing a web site, I am asked to put in the main URL. If my entire URL is http://www.seacoastnh.com/women/thaxter.html , is that what I put in or do I write in only to the first / or something else? I know that I can put in whatever I want but be consistent, etc., but what are your thoughts on what the main URL is? Strictly speaking, for the URL you give, the main URL is http://www.seacoastngh.com which will take you to the homepage of the website. In practice, whether or not I actually give the main URL or one for a specific page rather depends on a few factors. When using, say, The Times Digital Archive the page URL for any particular article is horrendously long, so I use the main one. I use the main one for big cites with good menus/indexes such as Ancestry. But for multi-purpose sites - for example, a family's website or village website which includes a section on genealogy as well as sections on numerous unrelated topics - I will give the URL of the actual page or of the introductory page for the relevant section. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Connie, I do not recognise the word correct in this context. There is no standard wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear, accurate, concise and reproducable by others. Which is why, although a very strong advocate of sourcing, I do not get involved in the details of sourcing on this list especially when it comes down to dotting i'sand crossing t's - no interest at all I'm afraid! BTW. I would imagine that Facebook does store the records in a database, otherwise they would be pretty well inaccessible. BTW I am predominately a lumper (and fairly mega at that), but was trying to keep to the same format as Scott, as it was his question and not mine! Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw Connie Sheets wrote: Ron, Scott means that Evidence Explained suggests the citation style he posted would be the correct format, and that if he uses the database template, he can't erase the word database from the citation output. Or so I interpret. Connie --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 8:37 PM Scott, There are fields there for Website Creator and Website Title. Have you looked at the Source Detail? I haven't a clue as to what it *should* look like and frankly I don't even know what that means! Nor do I know what is meant by I can't seem to permanently clear the Format field, which is not needed. On the right hand side of the data entry box is shown the output. Just fill in the data in such a way as it gives you the result you require. It doesn't matter what the field name says, in my view. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
Brian L. Lightfoot wrote You missed the part of the thread wherein it was mentioned accidentally or un-intentionally. I didn't. I just don't think Legacy should be accountable for every accidental or unintentional act of the User. It's easy enough to see that a person has a marriage - symbol after the name in Child List, Spouse icon lit up. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Main URL
Howland, You give too little information to be certain. The main URL is that of the Home Page (often ~/index.html). It is the main URL because it should always have the same name. Take my site http://www.fergys.co.uk/index.php is my Home page but I would express it as http://www.fergys.co.uk/ when using it as the URL for the main page, because a browser will always look for index. Not including index.html means that you can change the extension of the Home page and the link will still work (I changed mine from html to php a while back). Now if the page on which the detail I am citing is, say, my own page in the pedigree pages on the above site then the URL is http://www.fergys.co.uk/genealogy/1.php. Unlike the main URL this can change, for example I may change the folder in which I hold my pedigree pages, in which case the URL would fail and you would be taken to an Error Page. So, to accurately state a URL it is necessary to cite both the main URL and the page URL, the former so that if the latter fails one can search from the Home Page. Doesn't help if the page has been deleted though grin Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England - Original Message - From: howlanddavi...@aol.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: 08 June 2010 22:22 Subject: [LegacyUG] Main URL In using SourceWriter and sourcing a web site, I am asked to put in the main URL. If my entire URL is http://www.seacoastnh.com/women/thaxter.html , is that what I put in or do I write in only to the first / or something else? I know that I can put in whatever I want but be consistent, etc., but what are your thoughts on what the main URL is? Howland Davis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Main URL
Jenny M Benson wrote: wrote In using SourceWriter and sourcing a web site, I am asked to put in the main URL. If my entire URL is http://www.seacoastnh.com/women/thaxter.html , is that what I put in or do I write in only to the first / or something else? I know that I can put in whatever I want but be consistent, etc., but what are your thoughts on what the main URL is? Strictly speaking, for the URL you give, the main URL is http://www.seacoastngh.com which will take you to the homepage of the website. In practice, whether or not I actually give the main URL or one for a specific page rather depends on a few factors. When using, say, The Times Digital Archive the page URL for any particular article is horrendously long, so I use the main one. I use the main one for big cites with good menus/indexes such as Ancestry. But for multi-purpose sites - for example, a family's website or village website which includes a section on genealogy as well as sections on numerous unrelated topics - I will give the URL of the actual page or of the introductory page for the relevant section. Jenny, With respect that is not necessarily accurate, I haven't looked at the site so I don't actually know. I have a site http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/index.html, the main URL is not http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ this will just give you an error. Many host sites which people use have as the stem ~/yourname/. I tend to do the same as you with sites such as Ancestry, although I suppose I could use a tinyurl or bit.ly, but then maybe I'm a tad lazy! Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Linda, I'm not sure Facebook existed when Evidence Explained was written. Facebook is a website, is it not? EE contains multiple examples of how to cite websites. They all generally follow the same pattern. Perhaps the closest example to Facebook would be her discussion of blogs on pp. 811-812. See also p. 49 for her discussion of personal knowledge, as well as the W section of the index which refers you to pp. 657 and 787-788 for website examples. I use her separate publication, a laminated 4 page Quicksheet Citing Online Historical Resources Evidence! Style most often for websites, as the information she discusses there is easier/quicker to access, and perhaps easier to understand. In that publication, under the Basic Principles section, it states: A website is the online equivalent of a book...websites that offer multiple items (databases, articles, etc.) are the online equivalent of books with independent chapters by different authors. I can't quote more without potentially violating her copyright, but I will say that it is clear she recommends treating such websites in the following manner for the first reference note: ITEM AUTHOR (if known) ITEM TITLE (in quotes) WEBSITE CREATOR OR OWNER (if known) WEBSITE TITLE (in italics) URL DATE DETAIL (if applicable) Compare this format to Scott's original example, or the example at the bottom of p. 812 of EE that begins with the name Leland Meitzler, and I think you will see why I said Scott's example was the correct way to cite it (although as I said in my previous post, I might add detail/comment at the end depending upon what specifically he is citing from Facebook). I realize there are red letters on the Legacy Internet template warning us it is generic and maybe we should use another template, but I think that often causes unnecessary confusion. There are frequent posts on this list asking what template to use to cite websites. My answer almost invariably is, cite them for what they are, a website. Just like we'd cite a book as a book. Hope this helps! Connie --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Linda McCauley lindafmccau...@gmail.com wrote: Connie, Could you give me the page # in EE regarding Facebook. I wasn't able to find any mention of FB in the index of my copy of the book. Thanks, Linda M. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Main URL
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 00:35:59 +0100, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I would express it as http://www.fergys.co.uk/ when using it as the URL for the main page, because a browser will always look for index. Not including index.html means that you can change the extension of the Home page and the link will still work (I changed mine from html to php a while back). Putting my nerd's hat on... I don't think this is a function of the browser (but who knows how they have been coded). There is actually a directive in Apache's httpd.conf for this: DirectoryIndex index.htm index.html index.shtml index.php So whenever a request is made to a web server directory sans filename, the server will try to serve the page using the DirectoryIndex directive. In other words, it is server dependent. For all I know, servers in a non-English speaking country might use their word for index in the directive. But to keep this on topic, I would recommend doing as Ron suggests ... use http://www.fergys.co.uk/. And if the page is in a sub-directory, use http://www.fergys.co.uk/genealogy/ without the sub-directory's index page (assuming there is one). -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Digest mode available?
Is there a digest mode for LUG? I am getting so many emails several times a day, it would be great if they would come in a digest. If there is one, how do I switch? After reading all these messages, questions and answers, I'm finding out that I am a babe in the woods with Legacy. I'm not sure if I can be an asset to this group. I am learning a lot in just a couple of days thomy big question regarding the generation of a book seems sophmoric. I'll jump in soon. Thanks. Bev Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Ron, I have no problem whatsoever with your approach; nothing I ever post should be interpreted as a criticism of you or your approach. It's just not for me in all circumstances. One of the things I love about Legacy is its versatility and ability to meet the desires and needs of both lumpers and splitters and those of us who think we are moderate on the issue. Although I'm not an expert by any means, I do try to share what I have learned from Mrs. Mills and other US teachers about source citation practices, for those who may wish to pursue that avenue. Connie Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Connie, I do not recognise the word correct in this context. There is no standard wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear, accurate, concise and reproducable by others. Which is why, although a very strong advocate of sourcing, I do not get involved in the details of sourcing on this list especially when it comes down to dotting i'sand crossing t's - no interest at all I'm afraid! BTW. I would imagine that Facebook does store the records in a database, otherwise they would be pretty well inaccessible. BTW I am predominately a lumper (and fairly mega at that), but was trying to keep to the same format as Scott, as it was his question and not mine! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Main URL
Citing the long URL also doesn't help if it is a dynamic url which some database websites use. Next time you do the same search, it will be a different URL. Cheers, Jackie Ron Ferguson wrote: Howland, You give too little information to be certain. The main URL is that of the Home Page (often ~/index.html). It is the main URL because it should always have the same name. Take my site http://www.fergys.co.uk/index.php is my Home page but I would express it as http://www.fergys.co.uk/ when using it as the URL for the main page, because a browser will always look for index. Not including index.html means that you can change the extension of the Home page and the link will still work (I changed mine from html to php a while back). Now if the page on which the detail I am citing is, say, my own page in the pedigree pages on the above site then the URL is http://www.fergys.co.uk/genealogy/1.php. Unlike the main URL this can change, for example I may change the folder in which I hold my pedigree pages, in which case the URL would fail and you would be taken to an Error Page. So, to accurately state a URL it is necessary to cite both the main URL and the page URL, the former so that if the latter fails one can search from the Home Page. Doesn't help if the page has been deleted though grin Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England - Original Message - From: howlanddavi...@aol.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: 08 June 2010 22:22 Subject: [LegacyUG] Main URL In using SourceWriter and sourcing a web site, I am asked to put in the main URL. If my entire URL is http://www.seacoastnh.com/women/thaxter.html , is that what I put in or do I write in only to the first / or something else? I know that I can put in whatever I want but be consistent, etc., but what are your thoughts on what the main URL is? Howland Davis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
I agree that Legacy is not accountable; I'm just trying to make it appear so that some users don't get the wrong impression when their reports start spitting out strange information (all due to the user's carelessness). Regardless, Legacy will surely get the blame from them. How does that saying go...garbage in, garbage out. That being said, let's go ahead and see if Legacy is even consistent in this not-accountable-for-user-carelessness. Open up a Notes Window for any individual. Make sure there is nothing entered or visible in the notes window. Now, let's carelessly click on SAVE. Did Legacy go ahead a save a blank note record? No! The Notes Icon still remains grayed out meaning there is nothing there. Legacy was smart enough to realize that the user did not type anything in the window and even though SAVE was clicked, Legacy did not create any file data. Why does it create something out of nothing if that window happens to be the Marriage Info window? This is not an earth-shattering event in the overall use of Legacy. I just think it's some programming code that can be cleaned up to make for a better user experience with the program. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:31 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse Brian L. Lightfoot wrote You missed the part of the thread wherein it was mentioned accidentally or un-intentionally. I didn't. I just don't think Legacy should be accountable for every accidental or unintentional act of the User. It's easy enough to see that a person has a marriage - symbol after the name in Child List, Spouse icon lit up. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Connie, I never took what you said as a criticism, and even if I had, I can take it (I was in public life for a few years!). Neither have I any problem with people discussing, or promoting the use of, Mrs Mills and her sourcing systems. In my previous post I said: There is no standard wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear, accurate, concise and reproducable by others. Below is the output from one of the templates I use (taken from my website - I have removed the html styling): Free BMD, BMD Indexes Database (N.p.: n.p., n.d.), volume 20, page 182, Dec quarter 1840, Barton and Chorlton district; citing the General Register Office's England and Wales Civil Registration Indexes. Repository: Free BMD, England, [I insert the URL here] Cit. Date: 10 Feb 2009. Comparing this with what *I* require, it is accurate, reproducable (ie. others can find it), not quite concise and certainly not clear. Unless one is familiar with Evidence explained how would one know what (N.p.: n.p., n.d.), means? I don't need to enter these fields, ever, because it is attached to an Event with these details in it. Please don't post to tell me how to improve it, since that is my intention, but I haven't got round to it as yet, and I don't use this template now. Actually, compared with some of my other sources this one is pretty verbose, usually I have less detail, just the basics. Anyhow that is why I do not get involved in the details of sourcing. To be honest, I probably prefer the old style sourcing but now have too many using Source writer to consider reverting back. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Connie Sheets wrote: Ron, I have no problem whatsoever with your approach; nothing I ever post should be interpreted as a criticism of you or your approach. It's just not for me in all circumstances. One of the things I love about Legacy is its versatility and ability to meet the desires and needs of both lumpers and splitters and those of us who think we are moderate on the issue. Although I'm not an expert by any means, I do try to share what I have learned from Mrs. Mills and other US teachers about source citation practices, for those who may wish to pursue that avenue. Connie Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Connie, I do not recognise the word correct in this context. There is no standard wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear, accurate, concise and reproducable by others. Which is why, although a very strong advocate of sourcing, I do not get involved in the details of sourcing on this list especially when it comes down to dotting i'sand crossing t's - no interest at all I'm afraid! BTW. I would imagine that Facebook does store the records in a database, otherwise they would be pretty well inaccessible. BTW I am predominately a lumper (and fairly mega at that), but was trying to keep to the same format as Scott, as it was his question and not mine! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Research Guidance
Hello As I've been off-line for a while I'm discovering new things! Selecting a person on 'Family' tab, - 'Research Guidance' , - 'Suggested Sources' opens the 'Research Guidance' window. Top left of this window has the selected persons name and some data, for example: Mary Ryan (194) b. 1814, Ireland d. Aft 1868, Ireland The brackets show data not on my database so it must come from somewhere within the Legacy system, but where? Can anyone tell me the best way to establish where this data comes from? So far I can't figure it out unless I go through all the suggestions for research listed. It's not mentioned in 'Help' nor could I find it in Archives TIA Tom Element Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2924 - Release Date: 06/08/10 04:35:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance
Tom Element wrote: Hello As I've been off-line for a while I'm discovering new things! Selecting a person on 'Family' tab, - 'Research Guidance' , - 'Suggested Sources' opens the 'Research Guidance' window. Top left of this window has the selected persons name and some data, for example: Mary Ryan (194) b. 1814, Ireland d. Aft 1868, Ireland The brackets show data not on my database so it must come from somewhere within the Legacy system, but where? Can anyone tell me the best way to establish where this data comes from? So far I can't figure it out unless I go through all the suggestions for research listed. It's not mentioned in 'Help' nor could I find it in Archives TIA Tom Element Tom, I think it means calculated from data within your database eg. date of marriage, birth of children, expected life span etc. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
Dennis Kowallek today added some SQL scripts to LTools that can identify and tag the phantom marriages. I used them successfully to find an correct about 225 of these erroneous marriage records. I know for certain that most of them were not created by a mistaken save of a marriage record but the majority of them were from GEDCOM or PAF imports. I'm glad that Dennis developed scripts that aid in removal of these marriages. One more place that a phantom marriage produces an error can be seen by highlighting the non-blank spouse, then clicking name list and viewing the family tab with the blank spouse highlighted. If the non-blank spouse is male then the Husband List button will show because there are no female spouses. If the non-blank spouse is female then it still shows the Husband List button even though there is no record for a husband. I hope that Millenia makes the improvements that Brian has suggested. One more that has always been annoying is changes to the notes during a merge followed by skip or not duplicates or close. The notes changes are saved immediately instead of waiting until the merge is clicked. Ron Taylor --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote: From: Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 7:19 PM I agree that Legacy is not accountable; I'm just trying to make it appear so that some users don't get the wrong impression when their reports start spitting out strange information (all due to the user's carelessness). Regardless, Legacy will surely get the blame from them. How does that saying go...garbage in, garbage out. That being said, let's go ahead and see if Legacy is even consistent in this not-accountable-for-user-carelessness. Open up a Notes Window for any individual. Make sure there is nothing entered or visible in the notes window. Now, let's carelessly click on SAVE. Did Legacy go ahead a save a blank note record? No! The Notes Icon still remains grayed out meaning there is nothing there. Legacy was smart enough to realize that the user did not type anything in the window and even though SAVE was clicked, Legacy did not create any file data. Why does it create something out of nothing if that window happens to be the Marriage Info window? This is not an earth-shattering event in the overall use of Legacy. I just think it's some programming code that can be cleaned up to make for a better user experience with the program. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:31 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse Brian L. Lightfoot wrote You missed the part of the thread wherein it was mentioned accidentally or un-intentionally. I didn't. I just don't think Legacy should be accountable for every accidental or unintentional act of the User. It's easy enough to see that a person has a marriage - symbol after the name in Child List, Spouse icon lit up. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance
I can understand how it would calculate possible dates - but locations?? Cheers Jan -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2010 12:12 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance Tom Element wrote: Hello As I've been off-line for a while I'm discovering new things! Selecting a person on 'Family' tab, - 'Research Guidance' , - 'Suggested Sources' opens the 'Research Guidance' window. Top left of this window has the selected persons name and some data, for example: Mary Ryan (194) b. 1814, Ireland d. Aft 1868, Ireland The brackets show data not on my database so it must come from somewhere within the Legacy system, but where? Can anyone tell me the best way to establish where this data comes from? So far I can't figure it out unless I go through all the suggestions for research listed. It's not mentioned in 'Help' nor could I find it in Archives TIA Tom Element Tom, I think it means calculated from data within your database eg. date of marriage, birth of children, expected life span etc. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance
Thanks, Ron and Jan, for the replies. The brackets probably mean unchecked or unverified data I suppose; that's what I used in my own database. Yet one of the persons I looked at had an exact date of death, day, month year which was the same day as the birth data. That cannot be just an estimate, like most males marry at age 25 years so 'guess' the year. Then again, others I've looked at have the marriage year as one year prior to the 1st child's birth, and a man's birth year as 25 years before his marriage year etc. Locations may be being presumed from where the person married. There is possibly more to know about this and maybe someone can add to our pool of knowledge. Regards Tom On 9/06/2010 12:11 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Tom Element wrote: Hello As I've been off-line for a while I'm discovering new things! Selecting a person on 'Family' tab, - 'Research Guidance' , - 'Suggested Sources' opens the 'Research Guidance' window. Top left of this window has the selected persons name and some data, for example: Mary Ryan (194) b.1814,Ireland d. Aft 1868,Ireland Thebrackets show data not on my database so it must come from somewhere within the Legacy system, but where? Can anyone tell me the best way to establish where this data comes from? So far I can't figure it out unless I go through all the suggestions for research listed. It's not mentioned in 'Help' nor could I find it in Archives TIA Tom Element Tom, I think it means calculated from data within your database eg. date of marriage, birth of children, expected life span etc. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2924 - Release Date: 06/08/10 04:35:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2926 - Release Date: 06/09/10 04:35:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance
Just been looking for more possible answers. In Help -Search - typed in 'Brackets' one item on the list displayed was 'non-qualifying Comments'. It appears the LDS uses these brackets to indicate what is 'possible' or 'usual' or what can reasonably be expected. I have to presume that's what's happening here, as Ron suggested. Regards Tom On 9/06/2010 12:27 PM, Jan Roberts wrote: I can understand how it would calculate possible dates - but locations?? Cheers Jan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2926 - Release Date: 06/09/10 04:35:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance
Another possibility is that the LDS uses to mean 'about' (dates) 'near' (places), but how the computer created those 'facts' would require more information but I am not asking. I would mark them unsubstantiated. A different relative may be in a DB and that one says the above stuff. Or maybe it 'profiled' that most people surnamed Ryan are British, and more specific are Irish. All mine are. It doesn't matter. Ignore it or use it as a tool to find better stuff. Rich in LA CA --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Tom Element tomelem...@bigpond.com wrote: From: Tom Element tomelem...@bigpond.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 8:04 PM Thanks, Ron and Jan, for the replies. The brackets probably mean unchecked or unverified data I suppose; that's what I used in my own database. Yet one of the persons I looked at had an exact date of death, day, month year which was the same day as the birth data. That cannot be just an estimate, like most males marry at age 25 years so 'guess' the year. Then again, others I've looked at have the marriage year as one year prior to the 1st child's birth, and a man's birth year as 25 years before his marriage year etc. Locations may be being presumed from where the person married. There is possibly more to know about this and maybe someone can add to our pool of knowledge. Regards Tom On 9/06/2010 12:11 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Tom Element wrote: Hello As I've been off-line for a while I'm discovering new things! Selecting a person on 'Family' tab, - 'Research Guidance' , - 'Suggested Sources' opens the 'Research Guidance' window. Top left of this window has the selected persons name and some data, for example: Mary Ryan (194) b. 1814, Ireland d. Aft 1868, Ireland The brackets show data not on my database so it must come from somewhere within the Legacy system, but where? Can anyone tell me the best way to establish where this data comes from? So far I can't figure it out unless I go through all the suggestions for research listed. It's not mentioned in 'Help' nor could I find it in Archives TIA Tom Element Tom, I think it means calculated from data within your database eg. date of marriage, birth of children, expected life span etc. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2924 - Release Date: 06/08/10 04:35:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -Inline Attachment Follows- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2926 - Release Date: 06/09/10 04:35:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Digest mode available?
They got rid of it in the 1990s, because all those answers to the same question carried 20-30 pages of answers most duplicated multiple times. If I remember, on one day it was over 800 pages, and I was on slow dialup. I had to got to the local library to read them because my PC could handle the volume. It was out of control. Rich in LA CA --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Bev Aylor bev...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bev Aylor bev...@gmail.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Digest mode available? To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 5:33 PM Is there a digest mode for LUG? I am getting so many emails several times a day, it would be great if they would come in a digest. If there is one, how do I switch? After reading all these messages, questions and answers, I'm finding out that I am a babe in the woods with Legacy. I'm not sure if I can be an asset to this group. I am learning a lot in just a couple of days thomy big question regarding the generation of a book seems sophmoric. I'll jump in soon. Thanks. Bev Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Digest mode available?
Rich, It wasn’t that long ago and it had nothing to do with the replies. We switched servers and list software sometime last year, if I remember correctly, and the new software didn’t have a digest feature available. Bev and Rich - just a reminder to send messages in plain text. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! Original Message- From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES [mailto:fourpa...@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:00 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Digest mode available? They got rid of it in the 1990s, because all those answers to the same question carried 20-30 pages of answers most duplicated multiple times. If I remember, on one day it was over 800 pages, and I was on slow dialup. I had to got to the local library to read them because my PC could handle the volume. It was out of control. Rich in LA CA --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Bev Aylor bev...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bev Aylor bev...@gmail.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Digest mode available? To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 5:33 PM Is there a digest mode for LUG? I am getting so many emails several times a day, it would be great if they would come in a digest. If there is one, how do I switch? After reading all these messages, questions and answers, I'm finding out that I am a babe in the woods with Legacy. I'm not sure if I can be an asset to this group. I am learning a lot in just a couple of days thomy big question regarding the generation of a book seems sophmoric. I'll jump in soon. Thanks. Bev Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Seminars?
Nice but there is no mention of classes or seminars. Are there ever seminars or classes offered (in or near the Las Vegas area) on the use of Legacy. Bill On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com wrote: Bill, From the Legacy web page, use the pull down menu from the Help Center and there you go. Regards, Tim Rosenlof On 6/8/2010 12:40 PM, Bill McFall wrote: I am trying to convert my files from FTM to Legacy. I find it difficult to edit the notes and to set up sources. (I have some 4000 names in my files.) I would like some help. So, If there are seminars or classes that teach HOW TO USE LEGACY, how do I find one in my area? Bill McFall Las Vegas, NV ke6wxb...@gmail.com mailto:ke6wxb...@gmail.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Seminars?
Bill, I've lived in Las Vegas for years and have been a Legacy user since version 4. I don't claim to be an expert, but I would be happy to get together off list to see if I can help. Maureen Lake Las Vegas, Nevada Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Bill McFall ke6wxb...@gmail.com wrote: Nice but there is no mention of classes or seminars. Are there ever seminars or classes offered (in or near the Las Vegas area) on the use of Legacy. Bill On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com wrote: Bill, From the Legacy web page, use the pull down menu from the Help Center and there you go. Regards, Tim Rosenlof On 6/8/2010 12:40 PM, Bill McFall wrote: I am trying to convert my files from FTM to Legacy. I find it difficult to edit the notes and to set up sources. (I have some 4000 names in my files.) I would like some help. So, If there are seminars or classes that teach HOW TO USE LEGACY, how do I find one in my area? Bill McFall Las Vegas, NV ke6wxb...@gmail.com mailto:ke6wxb...@gmail.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Seminars?
Thanks for the offer Maureen. I'm ke6wxb...@gmail.com I am such a novice with Legacy I wonder if I made a good decision (to convert my files from FTM to Legacy.) I am really looking for a class that teaches how to use the sources when they are already entered, as notes, in some made up format. This all came from PAF and that was converted from a data base program written for the Commodore Pet computer back in 1987. 1. I started in genealogy to help a friend test his Commodore PET software. 2. I found PAF when I changed from Commodore to IBM (pc) computers. 3. PAF went through several upgrades and during this time my notes were established. I switched from PAF before ver 2.2 to FTM because of the nice charts. 4. FTM for Windows started on floppy disks)and as it progressed to more modern versions, the note TAGS were getting in the way of the sources, 5. Now I am trying to use the sources and edit the notes to a narrative report so I can print my genealogy with backup and pictures. As I said before, maybe switching to Legacy wasn't such a good idea; and I should have stayed with FTM. For some reason, I got the notion in my head that there were classes and seminars available on the use of Legacy. I would travel to a seminar but I have not located one so far. Bill On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Maureen Lake arespo...@yahoo.com wrote: Bill, I've lived in Las Vegas for years and have been a Legacy user since version 4. I don't claim to be an expert, but I would be happy to get together off list to see if I can help. Maureen Lake Las Vegas, Nevada Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Bill McFall ke6wxb...@gmail.com wrote: Nice but there is no mention of classes or seminars. Are there ever seminars or classes offered (in or near the Las Vegas area) on the use of Legacy. Bill On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com spa...@xmission.com wrote: Bill, From the Legacy web page, use the pull down menu from the Help Center and there you go. Regards, Tim Rosenlof On 6/8/2010 12:40 PM, Bill McFall wrote: I am trying to convert my files from FTM to Legacy. I find it difficult to edit the notes and to set up sources. (I have some 4000 names in my files.) I would like some help. So, If there are seminars or classes that teach HOW TO USE LEGACY, how do I find one in my area? Bill McFall Las Vegas, NV ke6wxb...@gmail.comke6wxb...@gmail.com mailto: ke6wxb...@gmail.com ke6wxb...@gmail.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail
Re: [LegacyUG] Seminars?
Hello Bill, If I remember right if you have bought the Legacy program on CD you might also have the basic learning tutorial as well. There are also Legacy CD's that teach you how to use Legacy. They are very helpful. Check out the website for more detailed information. And there could be a Legacy User Group near you. I would contact your local genealogical society's, genealogical libraries near you and ask if they could help you locate one. Good Luck, Debbie Freeman On 6/8/2010 12:40 PM, Bill McFall wrote: I am trying to convert my files from FTM to Legacy. I find it difficult to edit the notes and to set up sources. (I have some 4000 names in my files.) I would like some help. So, If there are seminars or classes that teach HOW TO USE LEGACY, how do I find one in my area? Bill McFall Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
