[LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Mark Wilby
Hi folks,



What I am trying to do is search for a single event that contains a specific
date AND description. But when I search, for example, an event date of 1841
and an event description of not looked for, the search returns all 1841
events and all events with the description of not looked for. Can any kind
soul help?



Regards Mark



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Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Ron Ferguson
Mark,

Secondary and tertiary conditions only apply after the previous searches have 
been completed (see Help Files), so try reversing the order of the searches.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Mark Wilby
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:01 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

Hi folks,



What I am trying to do is search for a single event that contains a specific 
date AND description. But when I search, for example, an event date of 1841 and 
an event description of “not looked for”, the search returns all 1841 events 
and all events with the description of “not looked for”. Can any kind soul help?



Regards Mark

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RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Mark Wilby
Hi Ron,



Yes you understand the problem well. I had another look at the search page and 
tried to think a bit deeper. The primary condition does say “look for whom”, so 
maybe you can only search for an individual who has criteria 1 and/or criteria 
2. What I need to do is search for an event with these criteria. Can this be 
done? I’m beginning to think not.



Regards Mark



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 10:04
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Mark,



My apologies, after posting I realised that my answer just does not make sense 
when only two conditions are applied – it is valid for a third though.



I have tried searching as you suggest for gardeners in the 1901 census and 8 
were found, so I am not getting the results which you indicate ie. all 
individuals with an Event-Date of 1901 (irrespective of Event Description) and 
all individuals with an Event-Description of ‘gardener’ (irrespective of date), 
which is what I understand your question to mean.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Mark Wilby mailto:mark.wil...@sky.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:01 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Hi folks,



What I am trying to do is search for a single event that contains a specific 
date AND description. But when I search, for example, an event date of 1841 and 
an event description of “not looked for”, the search returns all 1841 events 
and all events with the description of “not looked for”. Can any kind soul help?



Regards Mark

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Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 09/11/2011 10:26, Mark Wilby wrote:
 Yes you understand the problem well. I had another look at the search
 page and tried to think a bit deeper. The primary condition does say
 “look for whom”, so maybe you can only search for an individual who has
 criteria 1 and/or criteria 2. What I need to do is search for an event
 with these criteria. Can this be done? I’m beginning to think not.

Yes, I have encountered this problem before.  It is a deficiency in the
Legacy Search I think.

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Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Mike Fry
On 2011/11/09 11:01, Mark Wilby wrote:

 What I am trying to do is search for a single event that contains a specific
 date AND description. But when I search, for example, an event date of 1841 
 and
 an event description of “not looked for”, the search returns all 1841 events 
 and
 all events with the description of “not looked for”. Can any kind soul help?

In trying to get a handle on what is actually happening here, I added a single
event to a single person. The event-name doesn't matter, but the description,
date and location fields were 'what', 'when' and 'Where'.

I then tried searching for an individual with an Event-Date Equal To when. The
search came up with 15 individuals and excluded the individual to whom the
solitary event was added. What was significant about the 15 individuals was they
all had at least one event that had no date.

Obviously, there are some non-logical things going on with the Legacy Search!

--
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Mike Fry
Johannesburg


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Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Ron Ferguson
Mark,

Ah, that is the bit which I did not get! No, you cannot search for a single 
Event. All Detailed searches are for Individuals or Marriages.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Mark Wilby
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 10:26 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

Hi Ron,



Yes you understand the problem well. I had another look at the search page and 
tried to think a bit deeper. The primary condition does say “look for whom”, so 
maybe you can only search for an individual who has criteria 1 and/or criteria 
2. What I need to do is search for an event with these criteria. Can this be 
done? I’m beginning to think not.



Regards Mark



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 10:04
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Mark,



My apologies, after posting I realised that my answer just does not make sense 
when only two conditions are applied – it is valid for a third though.



I have tried searching as you suggest for gardeners in the 1901 census and 8 
were found, so I am not getting the results which you indicate ie. all 
individuals with an Event-Date of 1901 (irrespective of Event Description) and 
all individuals with an Event-Description of ‘gardener’ (irrespective of date), 
which is what I understand your question to mean.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Mark Wilby

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:01 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Hi folks,



What I am trying to do is search for a single event that contains a specific 
date AND description. But when I search, for example, an event date of 1841 and 
an event description of “not looked for”, the search returns all 1841 events 
and all events with the description of “not looked for”. Can any kind soul help?



Regards Mark


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RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Alan Pereira
Ron, Mark

I am struggling to understand the problem.  In search you can search for an 
individual who has a specific event name which occurred on a specific date that 
has a specific description.

Alan

From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 11:46
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Mark,



Ah, that is the bit which I did not get! No, you cannot search for a single 
Event. All Detailed searches are for Individuals or Marriages.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Mark Wilby mailto:mark.wil...@sky.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 10:26 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Hi Ron,



Yes you understand the problem well. I had another look at the search page and 
tried to think a bit deeper. The primary condition does say “look for whom”, so 
maybe you can only search for an individual who has criteria 1 and/or criteria 
2. What I need to do is search for an event with these criteria. Can this be 
done? I’m beginning to think not.



Regards Mark



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 10:04
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Mark,



My apologies, after posting I realised that my answer just does not make sense 
when only two conditions are applied – it is valid for a third though.



I have tried searching as you suggest for gardeners in the 1901 census and 8 
were found, so I am not getting the results which you indicate ie. all 
individuals with an Event-Date of 1901 (irrespective of Event Description) and 
all individuals with an Event-Description of ‘gardener’ (irrespective of date), 
which is what I understand your question to mean.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Mark Wilby mailto:mark.wil...@sky.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:01 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Hi folks,



What I am trying to do is search for a single event that contains a specific 
date AND description. But when I search, for example, an event date of 1841 and 
an event description of “not looked for”, the search returns all 1841 events 
and all events with the description of “not looked for”. Can any kind soul help?



Regards Mark



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Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 09/11/2011 11:53, Alan Pereira wrote:
 I am struggling to understand the problem.  In search you can search for
 an individual who has a specific event name which occurred on a specific
 date that has a specific description.

Not quite!  I have individuals who all appeared in the 1911 Census.
They all have several Events with the specific name England Census and
some of them have Descriptions which include Clerk.

If I search for Individual with EventName equals England Census AND
EventDate equal 02 April 1911 AND EventDescription contains Clerk I DO
NOT get ONLY those people whose 1911 England Census includes Clerk, but
I get all those who have England Census Events, one of which is dated 02
April 1911 and any of which might contain Clerk.

--
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RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Alan Pereira
Wow!  That suggests the AND operators are not working properly.  I had not 
come across this problem, which explains my not understanding.  My apologies to 
all.
I guess building more complex searches via tagging is out then!
Alan

-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 12:14
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

On 09/11/2011 11:53, Alan Pereira wrote:
 I am struggling to understand the problem.  In search you can search
 for an individual who has a specific event name which occurred on a
 specific date that has a specific description.

Not quite!  I have individuals who all appeared in the 1911 Census.
They all have several Events with the specific name England Census and some of 
them have Descriptions which include Clerk.

If I search for Individual with EventName equals England Census AND EventDate 
equal 02 April 1911 AND EventDescription contains Clerk I DO NOT get ONLY those 
people whose 1911 England Census includes Clerk, but I get all those who have 
England Census Events, one of which is dated 02 April 1911 and any of which 
might contain Clerk.

--
Jenny M Benson


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RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Mark Wilby
Yes Alan



But you get a mixture of both search criteria as well.



mark



From: Alan Pereira [mailto:alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 11:53
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Ron, Mark

I am struggling to understand the problem.  In search you can search for an 
individual who has a specific event name which occurred on a specific date that 
has a specific description.

Alan

From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 11:46
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Mark,



Ah, that is the bit which I did not get! No, you cannot search for a single 
Event. All Detailed searches are for Individuals or Marriages.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Mark Wilby mailto:mark.wil...@sky.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 10:26 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Hi Ron,



Yes you understand the problem well. I had another look at the search page and 
tried to think a bit deeper. The primary condition does say “look for whom”, so 
maybe you can only search for an individual who has criteria 1 and/or criteria 
2. What I need to do is search for an event with these criteria. Can this be 
done? I’m beginning to think not.



Regards Mark



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 10:04
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Mark,



My apologies, after posting I realised that my answer just does not make sense 
when only two conditions are applied – it is valid for a third though.



I have tried searching as you suggest for gardeners in the 1901 census and 8 
were found, so I am not getting the results which you indicate ie. all 
individuals with an Event-Date of 1901 (irrespective of Event Description) and 
all individuals with an Event-Description of ‘gardener’ (irrespective of date), 
which is what I understand your question to mean.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Mark Wilby mailto:mark.wil...@sky.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:01 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Hi folks,



What I am trying to do is search for a single event that contains a specific 
date AND description. But when I search, for example, an event date of 1841 and 
an event description of “not looked for”, the search returns all 1841 events 
and all events with the description of “not looked for”. Can any kind soul help?



Regards Mark



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RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Alan Pereira
Mark,

If you take the search results and tag them say with tag 1, then use tag1 as 
the first criteria and one of your criteria as the second condition, does that 
change the result.

Alan



From: Mark Wilby [mailto:mark.wil...@sky.com]
Sent: 09 November 2011 12:32
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Yes Alan



But you get a mixture of both search criteria as well.



mark



From: Alan Pereira [mailto:alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 11:53
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Ron, Mark

I am struggling to understand the problem.  In search you can search for an 
individual who has a specific event name which occurred on a specific date that 
has a specific description.

Alan

From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 11:46
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Mark,



Ah, that is the bit which I did not get! No, you cannot search for a single 
Event. All Detailed searches are for Individuals or Marriages.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Mark Wilby mailto:mark.wil...@sky.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 10:26 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Hi Ron,



Yes you understand the problem well. I had another look at the search page and 
tried to think a bit deeper. The primary condition does say “look for whom”, so 
maybe you can only search for an individual who has criteria 1 and/or criteria 
2. What I need to do is search for an event with these criteria. Can this be 
done? I’m beginning to think not.



Regards Mark



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 10:04
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Mark,



My apologies, after posting I realised that my answer just does not make sense 
when only two conditions are applied – it is valid for a third though.



I have tried searching as you suggest for gardeners in the 1901 census and 8 
were found, so I am not getting the results which you indicate ie. all 
individuals with an Event-Date of 1901 (irrespective of Event Description) and 
all individuals with an Event-Description of ‘gardener’ (irrespective of date), 
which is what I understand your question to mean.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Mark Wilby mailto:mark.wil...@sky.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:01 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Hi folks,



What I am trying to do is search for a single event that contains a specific 
date AND description. But when I search, for example, an event date of 1841 and 
an event description of “not looked for”, the search returns all 1841 events 
and all events with the description of “not looked for”. Can any kind soul help?



Regards Mark



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Re: [LegacyUG] Individual Report - Spacing of Event/Fact Notes

2011-11-09 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:48:53 -0500, M. Brenzel
brenze...@roadrunner.com wrote:

I know that the notes are correct.  They printed correctly in previous 
versions.  I am not sure but I think that the added lines have just appeared 
in 7.5.0.112.

This is interesting. I helped one other user fix her file about a week
ago (see Spacing Issues / Word Wrap thread). Many of her memo (Access
data type) fields had extra LF and CR characters. There were way too
many problems for it to be attributed to pilot error. She thought that
it might have been caused by moving her file back and forth to the
Families program on her ipad. I asked her to conduct a small test to
look for the introduction of these extra characters. I haven't heard
back from her so I don't think she has done so.

IIRC, she said the problem started in August.

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Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:24:50 -, Alan Pereira
alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

That suggests the AND operators are not working properly.

No, it is working properly ... just not the way you expect.

In English, Jenny's query looks something like...

Find all individuals with an event where EventName equals England
Census AND with an event where EventDate equals 02 April 1911 AND
with an event where EventDescription contains Clerk.

If an individual had 3 events as follows...

1) EventName England Census
EventDate 02 April 1891
EventDescription Smith

2) EventName Residence
EventDate 02 April 1911
EventDescription 123 Mayfair

3) EventName Occupation
EventDate 02 April 1901
EventDescription Clerk

... the individual would be selected.

What she really wanted was...

Find all individuals with an event where EventName equals England
Census AND EventDate equals 02 April 1911 AND EventDescription
contains Clerk.

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Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 09/11/2011 12:36, Alan Pereira wrote:
 If you take the search results and tag them say with tag 1, then use
 tag1 as the first criteria and one of your criteria as the second
 condition, does that change the result.

Because you can only search on Individuals or Marriages, you can't look
for a particular Event with a particular criterion, only for an
Individual who has both that Event and *an* Event with that criterion -
which may or may not be the same Event.

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RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Alan Pereira
Jenny, Dennis
Thank you for clearing that up, I got there in the end.
Even breaking the query down with advanced tagging will end up with the same 
results.
Alan

-Original Message-
From: Dennis M. Kowallek [mailto:kowal...@iglou.com]
Sent: 09 November 2011 13:16
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:24:50 -, Alan Pereira
alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

That suggests the AND operators are not working properly.

No, it is working properly ... just not the way you expect.

In English, Jenny's query looks something like...

Find all individuals with an event where EventName equals England Census AND 
with an event where EventDate equals 02 April 1911 AND with an event where 
EventDescription contains Clerk.

If an individual had 3 events as follows...

1) EventName England Census
EventDate 02 April 1891
EventDescription Smith

2) EventName Residence
EventDate 02 April 1911
EventDescription 123 Mayfair

3) EventName Occupation
EventDate 02 April 1901
EventDescription Clerk

... the individual would be selected.

What she really wanted was...

Find all individuals with an event where EventName equals England Census AND 
EventDate equals 02 April 1911 AND EventDescription contains Clerk.

--

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Re: [LegacyUG] Individual Report - Spacing of Event/Fact Notes

2011-11-09 Thread Sherry/Support
Hmmm... Thanks Dennis.

I'd be interested to find out if anyone who is synching between Legacy
and Families 1.0 are experiencing inserted LF and CR characters!

I'm sure if it's a problem that Malcolm will fix it quickly.


Sincerely,
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On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com wrote:
 On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:48:53 -0500, M. Brenzel
 brenze...@roadrunner.com wrote:

I know that the notes are correct.  They printed correctly in previous 
versions.  I am not sure but I think that the added lines have just appeared 
in 7.5.0.112.

 This is interesting. I helped one other user fix her file about a week
 ago (see Spacing Issues / Word Wrap thread). Many of her memo (Access
 data type) fields had extra LF and CR characters. There were way too
 many problems for it to be attributed to pilot error. She thought that
 it might have been caused by moving her file back and forth to the
 Families program on her ipad. I asked her to conduct a small test to
 look for the introduction of these extra characters. I haven't heard
 back from her so I don't think she has done so.

 IIRC, she said the problem started in August.

 --

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Re: [LegacyUG] Question About Sourcing and Repositories

2011-11-09 Thread Jerry
Ok, thanks!   --Jerry

On 11/09/2011 12:57 AM, Kirsten Bowman wrote:
 Jerry:
 Your issues can be simplified considerably by remembering that it’s
 generally not customary to cite repositories for published items that
 are widely available, and records online are also considered
 “published.”  With hard to find items, however, I do include the
 repository in the citation.  I also sometimes note the repository for
 my own purposes, not as a part of the formal source citation but as a
 privatized note.
 Kirsten
 -Original Message-
 From: Jerry
 Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:21 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Question About Sourcing and Repositories
 I have a few questions about sourcing that I'm sure many of you can help
 me with.
 1.  When you cite a newspaper article as a source, do you attempt to
 always document where that article can be found, either online or in a
 person's possession?  And do you always provide the specific http URL
 address, if it is available online?
 2.  If so, what happens if that online website which is housing that
 newspaper article shuts down?  (or the person who has the article dies?)
 3.  Along with this, if the newspaper article is in the possession of a
 certain person, is that person, in effect, the REPOSITORY for the item
 and should a REPOSITORY of all items in that person's or organization's
 possession be set up for ready reference?
 I hope this is clear enough.Thanks!
 --
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Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:44:52 -, Alan Pereira
alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

Even breaking the query down with advanced tagging will end up with the same 
results.

You can do it with Access or LTools. Using Jenny's example, the query
would look something like ...

SELECT tblIR.IDIR AS RIN
FROM (tblET INNER JOIN tblER ON tblET.IDET = tblER.IDET) INNER JOIN
tblIR ON tblER.IDIR = tblIR.IDIR
WHERE (((tblET.EventType)=England Census) AND ((tblER.IDType)=0) AND
((tblER.Description)=Clerk) AND ((tblER.EventD) Like 0002041860*));

This query has not been tested thoroughly.

If you wanted to tag the individuals on Tag1...

UPDATE (tblET INNER JOIN tblER ON tblET.IDET = tblER.IDET) INNER JOIN
tblIR ON tblER.IDIR = tblIR.IDIR SET tblIR.Tag1 = 1
WHERE (((tblET.EventType)=England Census) AND ((tblER.IDType)=0) AND
((tblER.Description)=Clerk) AND ((tblER.EventD) Like 0002041860*));

Again, not tested thoroughly.

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[LegacyUG] Re: Fwd: no regrets after doing this venture!!

2011-11-09 Thread Patricia Hill
pheybrI was in desperate need of an alternative after I found this I was 
back on my feet in no time now im in this for the long run trust me on 
thisbra 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Fwd: no regrets after doing this venture!! Attn: Legacy Suport

2011-11-09 Thread Ron Ferguson
Ron,

This is the third today, so it looks as though the problem is getting worse.
Members of LUG are strongly reminded *not* to click on any link in any email
which looks strange. Unless of course you wish to have you email address
book hijacked - which is why most of them arrive here.

Ron Ferguson
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From: Ron Bernier
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 7:41 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Cc: supp...@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Re: Fwd: no regrets after doing this venture!! Attn:
Legacy Suport


Yet another example of why the Legacy folks need to find another hosting
service.  I subscribe to at least a half dozen user lists, and none of them
have been plagued with the amount of spam messages that we receive from the
Legacy list.  This has become a common occurrence (at least once a week here
lately).





From: Patricia Hill [mailto:tris...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:01 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Re: Fwd: no regrets after doing this venture!!







hey
I was in desperate need of an alternative after I found this I was back on
my feet in no time now im in this for the long run trust me on this








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Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Fwd: no regrets after doing this venture!! Attn: Legacy Suport

2011-11-09 Thread Sherry/Support
Unfortunately, when a person's email address is hijacked and he or she is
subscribed to mailing lists, those spams sent from the hijacked email
address will get through no matter what, unless the list is moderated.

My personal Yahoo email was hijacked earlier this year, before this method
started becoming prevalent. Imagine my surprise when I found an email in my
Yahoo sent folder that I didn't send! Obviously the problem was on the
server level because my computer wasn't on at the time the email was sent.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.netwrote:

  Yet another example of why the Legacy folks need to find another hosting
 service.  I subscribe to at least a half dozen user lists, and none of them
 have been plagued with the amount of spam messages that we receive from the
 Legacy list.  This has become a common occurrence (at least once a week
 here lately). 

 ** **

 *From:* Patricia Hill [mailto:tris...@bellsouth.net]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:01 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Re: Fwd: no regrets after doing this venture!!

 ** **

 hey
 I was in desperate need of an alternative after I found this I was back on
 my feet in no time now im in this for the long run trust me on this





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Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Fwd: no regrets after doing this venture!! Attn: Legacy Suport

2011-11-09 Thread Ron Bernier
Sherry,
I just find it very strange that this problem has been so prevalent on the 
Legacy list of late and I haven't seen it happen much at all on all of the 
other lists that I subscribe to.  I guess the Legacy subscribers must have much 
less email savvy than the users on all of the other list that I receive posts 
from.

Ron Bernier
Sent from my Verizon iPhone

On Nov 9, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Sherry/Support 
she...@legacyfamilytree.commailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

Unfortunately, when a person's email address is hijacked and he or she is 
subscribed to mailing lists, those spams sent from the hijacked email address 
will get through no matter what, unless the list is moderated.

My personal Yahoo email was hijacked earlier this year, before this method 
started becoming prevalent. Imagine my surprise when I found an email in my 
Yahoo sent folder that I didn't send! Obviously the problem was on the server 
level because my computer wasn't on at the time the email was sent.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Ron Bernier 
ronaldbern...@bernfrin.netmailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net wrote:
Yet another example of why the Legacy folks need to find another hosting 
service.  I subscribe to at least a half dozen user lists, and none of them 
have been plagued with the amount of spam messages that we receive from the 
Legacy list.  This has become a common occurrence (at least once a week here 
lately).

From: Patricia Hill [mailto:tris...@bellsouth.netmailto:tris...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:01 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.commailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Re: Fwd: no regrets after doing this venture!!


hey
I was in desperate need of an alternative after I found this I was back on my 
feet in no time now im in this for the long run trust me on this




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Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Fwd: no regrets after doing this venture!! Attn: Legacy Suport

2011-11-09 Thread Sherry/Support
I see it on other lists all the time. I moderate several yahoo groups and
am always rejecting spams and in the unmoderated groups, they'll show up
in my inbox.

Google groups are the worst - I've pretty much given up on reading a lot of
those groups because they can be so laden with porn spam it's ridiculous!
The ones that are moderated are the only ones I read these days.

I won't tell you what I'd like to do to spammers and malware writers

Anyway, back to Legacy..

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.netwrote:

  Sherry,
 I just find it very strange that this problem has been so prevalent on the
 Legacy list of late and I haven't seen it happen much at all on all of the
 other lists that I subscribe to.  I guess the Legacy subscribers must have
 much less email savvy than the users on all of the other list that I
 receive posts from.

 Ron Bernier
 Sent from my Verizon iPhone




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Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Fwd: no regrets after doing this venture!! Attn: Legacy Suport

2011-11-09 Thread Wendy Howard
I agree with you, Sherry, about other groups being affected, I've seen
it on other lists including Rootsweb ones.  Can't comment on Google or
Yahoo groups, 'cos I don't go there much at the moment.

If the person with the hacked account is subscribed, and the list is not
wholly moderated (which is unusual in the genealogy environment) there's
not much to be done to prevent these spam emails from members' accounts,
except for each list member to act appropriately and not click on
suspicious links.

But what each of us can do is have a little more control over their
email accounts, if it is offered, to prevent it from being hacked...

I got a warning just this morning on one of my Gmail accounts that it
had been accessed from Poland, and Gmail recommended that I change my
password - which I did straight away.  Having learned a wise lesson from
Thomas McEntee in his Facebook webinar, I didn't click on the link
provided in the warning (in case the warning itself was bogus, not that
I really thought it was), but closed that and went through Account
Settings in the usual way.

As I was doing this, I mentioned the incident to my partner, who is a
software developer and early adopter of Gmail, and he told me of another
step I could take to prevent hacking - Gmail offers a two-step sign-in.
This means essentially that each time you log in (on a public computer,
or every 30 days on a machine you trust) a code is sent to your mobile
phone, which you then have to enter into the verification box on the
screen to continue.

I've set this up for all the Gmail accounts I use regularly now.  It
will be a bit of a hassle every 30 days when the current code for each
account expires, but that's nothing compared to the hassle if one of the
accounts is hacked.

You may have noticed I said one of my Gmail accounts - yes, I operate
more than one.  I administer various local community groups and each has
its own Gmail account to keep their emails separate from my personal
ones (and to make the hand-over easier when someone else takes over my
role).  It's not that I go around pretending to be other people, LOL!!

I don't know what other email services provide in the way of security,
but it wouldn't hurt to go and ask your provider if you can't find
anything in their Help.  And if they don't provide any, consider getting
yourself an account where there is such security.

Kind Regards,
Wendy

Sherry/Support said the following on 10/11/2011 9:41 a.m.:
 I see it on other lists all the time. I moderate several yahoo groups
 and am always rejecting spams and in the unmoderated groups, they'll
 show up in my inbox.
 Google groups are the worst - I've pretty much given up on reading a
 lot of those groups because they can be so laden with porn spam it's
 ridiculous!  The ones that are moderated are the only ones I read
 these days.
 I won't tell you what I'd like to do to spammers and malware writers
 Anyway, back to Legacy..

 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Ron Bernier
 ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net mailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net wrote:

 Sherry,
 I just find it very strange that this problem has been so
 prevalent on the Legacy list of late and I haven't seen it happen
 much at all on all of the other lists that I subscribe to.  I
 guess the Legacy subscribers must have much less email savvy than
 the users on all of the other list that I receive posts from.

 Ron Bernier



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Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Fwd: no regrets after doing this venture!! Attn: Legacy Suport

2011-11-09 Thread R.Dickson
Spammers, hackers and malware writers should be sent to Singapore for a good
caneing

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From: Sherry/Support
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Fwd: no regrets after doing this venture!! Attn:
Legacy Suport
(snip)

I won't tell you what I'd like to do to spammers and malware writers

Anyway, back to Legacy..
Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



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[LegacyUG] Today's webinar's recording now online

2011-11-09 Thread Geoff Rasmussen
The recording of today's Legacy Family Tree webinar by Thomas MacEntee,
Finding Ancestors Amid the Rubble of Disaster and Misfortune is now
available in our webinar archives. Visit
www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/webinars.asp to watch. The webinar coupon code and
links to purchase its CD are available on the recording's page.

Thanks,

Geoff Rasmussen
Millennia Corporation
ge...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.LegacyFamilyTree.com






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RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Robert Austen
Hi Mark, and others,

I think you will find that the 'And' operator is working properly.  The problem 
is not being able to select a specific event when using 'Event Description' as 
one of the parameters.


If you select
1. 'Event-Name' 'Equal To' 1911 census
2. AND 'Event-Description'of 'Not Equal To' 'blank'

... it will return the expected results ONLY if there are no other events in 
that record.

In other words, if you have any number of records with more than one event, 
including '1911 census', the second 'AND' condition looks at all the events in 
that record, not just the event equal to '1911 census'.

There is no way to narrow down the search to find only the '1911 census' with 
no data (or specific data) in the Event Description field.

Note, too, that the 'Event Description' is different from 'Notes' contained in 
the Event.

Hope I was able to explain it properly.

Bob



-Original Message-
From: Alan Pereira [mailto:alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 4:25 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

Wow!  That suggests the AND operators are not working properly.  I had not 
come across this problem, which explains my not understanding.  My apologies to 
all.
I guess building more complex searches via tagging is out then!
Alan

-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 12:14
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

On 09/11/2011 11:53, Alan Pereira wrote:
 I am struggling to understand the problem.  In search you can search
 for an individual who has a specific event name which occurred on a
 specific date that has a specific description.

Not quite!  I have individuals who all appeared in the 1911 Census.
They all have several Events with the specific name England Census and some of 
them have Descriptions which include Clerk.

If I search for Individual with EventName equals England Census AND EventDate 
equal 02 April 1911 AND EventDescription contains Clerk I DO NOT get ONLY those 
people whose 1911 England Census includes Clerk, but I get all those who have 
England Census Events, one of which is dated 02 April 1911 and any of which 
might contain Clerk.

--
Jenny M Benson


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[LegacyUG] Wha hoppen? No mail

2011-11-09 Thread Perk Bingham
I re-joined the group a week or so ago but hven't had a single email so
I wanted to make sure I'm using the correct address.

Thanks,

Perk (:)

--
Family History:  Where every little step backward means a little progress (:)

Researching:
Clawson, Kibby, Ford, Starek (in Ohio),  Rohrer  Muma (in PA  Ohio)
And
Black, Webb, Millar,  Nichol (in Ontario  UK)
And
Hallsberg, Lundberg (in Finland)



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