Re: [LegacyUG] Events descriptions
Georges, In the report I only see one event linked to their marriage: * Baudouin de Dudzeele et Marguerite van der Stove ont détenu des droits de propriété - à Montréal. The event "Notes relatives à leur mariage" appears to be an event you assigned to the wife. Did you mean to do that or should you have made that an event for the marriage? Brian Kelly On 08-Jan.-21 4:32 p.m., sarrazingeor...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Brian It worked for most events. Georges Another small problem The format of the book reports is far from clear. It is not easy to differentiate between the events associated with the spouse, with his wife and those associated with the couple. So I identified each in the wording. For personal events, I have: Événements importants de la vie de «b»[Nom]«/b» : And for events associated with the marriage, I have: Événements importants reliés au mariage/union de «b»[CoupleNoms] : It works for the groom, but not for the bride or for marriage-related events (see example below). Is this a bug? Baudouin de Dudzeele Première génération 1. Baudouin de Dudzeele,(1) fils de Sohier de Dudzeele (1) et Prénom inconnu de Voormezeele,(1) est décédé le 3 avr. 1366.(1) Événements importants de la vie de Baudouin de Dudzeele : * Titre porté par Baudouin de Dudzeele : Chevalier. (1) * Titre porté par Baudouin de Dudzeele : Seigneur de Dudzeele, Bonhem, et Westkapelle. (1) * Baudouin de Dudzeele a détenu des droits de propriété - he recovered from the count of Flanders the fiefs of Dudzeele, Bonhem, Westkapelle, and 80 livres parisis of rent attributed to the tonlieu of Bruges from his mother's unidentified sister. He also recovered the fief of StPierre and Uutkerke along with six sub-fiefs, located in the seigneurie of Dudzeele. (1) * Titre porté par Baudouin de Dudzeele : en 1296, Bruges, Flandres occidentales, Be. Échevin. (1) * Il a accompli une mission en 1300. He was one of the fifty noble Flemish hostages who accompanied Guy de Dampierre, count of Flanders, into captivity in France. Baudouin was imprisoned at the Chateau de Nanette, Auvergne, France. The surviving hostages were only returned to Flanders after the 1305 Treaty of Athies-sur-Orge. However, he may have switched sides as early as 1303 when a "Boudewijn van Dudzele" is listed as a Flemish supporter of the king of France (1) Baudouin a épousé Marguerite van der Stove,(1) fille de Guillaume van der Stove. Événements importants reliés à leur mariage/union : * Baudouin de Dudzeele et Marguerite van der Stove ont détenu des droits de propriété - à Montréal. Événements importants de sa vie : * Notes relatives à leur mariage - according to Piot, he was married to MARGUERITE VAN DER STOVE, but the brass plaque in the church of Dudzeele records his wife as Marye von Belle. (1) * Marguerite van der Stove a détenu des droits de propriété - his wife survived him and became dame of Dudzelle by dower and she recovered the fief of Moerkerke. At her death Elisabeth de Dudzeele became his principle heir. (1) Sources 1. Dulong, John P., The Dudzeele and Straten Ancestry of Catherine de Baillon, Part II, Michigan Habitant Heritage, vol 32, no. 4 (octobre 2011), p. 156 à 166. Récupéré de http://habitant.org/baillon/Dudzeele%20Article%202.pdf. -Message d'origine- De : LegacyUserGroup De la part de Brian Kelly Envoyé : 8 janvier 2021 13:03 À : legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com Objet : Re: [LegacyUG] Events descriptions Georges, Do you switch languages between French and English with your file while testing? Changing language will reset all Event Definitions to the Legacy Default wording. You can copy Events Definitions between files: 1. Restore your backup with the correct wording with a new file name so it does not overwrite your existing file. 2. Open the file with incorrect wording 3. Go to View > Master Lists > Event Definitions 4. Click on Options and Select Import from the menu 5. Use the Browse button to select the file you restored in Step 1 6. Select the Event Definition List 7. Click Import Lists. The Event Definitions from your restored file will replace the reworded ones in your corrupted file. Brian Kelly On 08-Jan.-21 11:56 a.m., sarrazingeor...@gmail.com wrote: The text of all my events has been modified. Since I don't want to redo everything, I think to go to one of my backups to copy the file with the correct description and replace the faulty file. Which file contains the event description. Georges -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe
Re: [LegacyUG] Cemetery questions
Scott, If people are buried and then moved, I would record the first interment (as usually noted on a death certificate, if any) as the Burial event. If the body is subsequently moved, I would note that in the note section with the place and date, if known. If the body were formally exhumed for some reason, I would make that a separate event with an explanation. This would apply to those you mention being removed from the town commons. In some cases it might depend on which burial has the most information. In the past people were reburied in cases of a second marriage, or person dying young in a different location from subsequent family burials. A cremated person can be buried in multiple locations! Kathy On Sunday, January 10, 2021, 10:05:51 AM CST, Scott Hall wrote: Hey all... Need some advice on how to handle some cemetery relocation issues. First, if a person was buried in Cemetery X, but relocated to Cemetery Y, I've been recording it as follows: Original burial information to Burial DatePlace FieldAttach Cemetery Event Address to Burial Date/Place Field Reinterment information to Reburial Event Fields. Add Cemetery name to "Description"Attach Cemetery Event Address to Event That's pretty straight forward -- record the event as it occurred at the time in the principal field (Burial) and the successive event as an Event. But, I've recently come across a number of ancestors for whom their headstones were relocated to a different cemetery, but their corpses were not disinterred. This is now challenging me as to how to record the location of the headstone. For those who may have New England ancestors, this issue arises in Connecticut where at least two 17th century towns, New Haven and Guilford, relocated the headstones of the dead buried on their town commons to cemeteries established in the early 19th century. In both cases, only the headstones were moved--the corpses remain buried under the town common, the exact site of the graves now lost to history. It seems obvious to record the original burial information as above -- but how to denote the relocation of the headstone? It's important to keep track of, if for no other reason than to explain the plethora of Find a Grave and other memorials that seem to indicate burial occurred in these newer cemeteries (I'm working with Find a Grave in hopes of cleaning this up). I suppose the best way is to record this as a burial note. Your thoughts? If so, then for consistency, should I use Burial notes for actual reinterment of corpses instead of Events? Lastly -- how do you record cemeteries? Do you use Event Addresses like I do, attaching them to the Burial field, do you use Events, or something else? Thanks,Scott-- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Cemetery questions
I have a baby brother who is buried somewhere in the cemetery where our plot is but, unfortunately, the parish registry doesn't have information on exactly where he was buried (the burial before him and after him have plot numbers but not him). We had his name engraved on our headstone so that he will not be forgotten. On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:54 PM Jenny M Benson wrote: > > > It seems obvious to record the original burial information as above -- > > but how to denote the relocation of the headstone? It's important to > > keep track of, if for no other reason than to explain the plethora of > > Find a Grave and other memorials that seem to indicate burial occurred > > in these newer cemeteries (I'm working with Find a Grave in hopes of > > cleaning this up). > > > > I suppose the best way is to record this as a burial note. > > > > Your thoughts? > > I have many instances of relatives being recorded on headstones or > monuments when they are buried elsewhere or their place of burial is > unknown. The presence of a a gravestone recording a person's name and > date doesn't necessarily mean that it marks the place of burial. I > always enter a Memorial Inscription Event when I know of a gravestone or > entry on a memorial. > > The Event Sentence is "«b»[EventName]«/b»: [Desc] [inPlace] bears the > inscription [Notes].[Sources] > > I don't specifically record whether or not the Memorial is sited where > the person is buried. The place of burial is entered as a Burial Event > and if there was a relocation I would create an additional Event, > probably entitled "Re-Burial." > > > > > > Lastly -- how do you record cemeteries? Do you use Event Addresses like > > I do, attaching them to the Burial field, do you use Events, or > > something else? > > I use the Place field for all Events and include Grave Numbers, house > names or numbers etc. I do not use Event Addresses at all because I > don't like the way they appear in Reports. > > > -- > Jenny M Benson - http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/ > Wrexham, UK > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Cemetery questions
It seems obvious to record the original burial information as above -- but how to denote the relocation of the headstone? It's important to keep track of, if for no other reason than to explain the plethora of Find a Grave and other memorials that seem to indicate burial occurred in these newer cemeteries (I'm working with Find a Grave in hopes of cleaning this up). I suppose the best way is to record this as a burial note. Your thoughts? I have many instances of relatives being recorded on headstones or monuments when they are buried elsewhere or their place of burial is unknown. The presence of a a gravestone recording a person's name and date doesn't necessarily mean that it marks the place of burial. I always enter a Memorial Inscription Event when I know of a gravestone or entry on a memorial. The Event Sentence is "«b»[EventName]«/b»: [Desc] [inPlace] bears the inscription [Notes].[Sources] I don't specifically record whether or not the Memorial is sited where the person is buried. The place of burial is entered as a Burial Event and if there was a relocation I would create an additional Event, probably entitled "Re-Burial." Lastly -- how do you record cemeteries? Do you use Event Addresses like I do, attaching them to the Burial field, do you use Events, or something else? I use the Place field for all Events and include Grave Numbers, house names or numbers etc. I do not use Event Addresses at all because I don't like the way they appear in Reports. -- Jenny M Benson - http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/ Wrexham, UK -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Cemetery questions
In terms of recording cemeteries, marriages etc. I work on a basis of using the Location table to identify the Place ie. town or village, and to use the Address table to identify exactly where in the town it was, such as Cemetery Name, Address, Lat and Long, etc. Regarding the transfer of the body or headstone, I would put the initial one in the Burial fields. That then gives you with the choice of how you record the transfer, which could be a number of events or a list within the Burial notes. That is really down to your preferences. Regards Chris >From my Motorola G6+ On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, 16:05 Scott Hall, wrote: > Hey all... > > Need some advice on how to handle some cemetery relocation issues. > > First, if a person was buried in Cemetery X, but relocated to Cemetery Y, > I've been recording it as follows: > > Original burial information to Burial DatePlace Field > Attach Cemetery Event Address to Burial Date/Place Field > > Reinterment information to Reburial Event Fields. Add Cemetery name to > "Description" > Attach Cemetery Event Address to Event > > That's pretty straight forward -- record the event as it occurred at the > time in the principal field (Burial) and the successive event as an Event. > > But, I've recently come across a number of ancestors for whom their > *headstones* were relocated to a different cemetery, but their corpses *were > not disinterred*. This is now challenging me as to how to record the > location of the headstone. > > For those who may have New England ancestors, this issue arises in > Connecticut where at least two 17th century towns, New Haven and Guilford, > relocated the headstones of the dead buried on their town commons to > cemeteries established in the early 19th century. In both cases, only the > headstones were moved--the corpses remain buried under the town common, the > exact site of the graves now lost to history. > > It seems obvious to record the original burial information as above -- but > how to denote the relocation of the headstone? It's important to keep > track of, if for no other reason than to explain the plethora of Find a > Grave and other memorials that seem to indicate burial occurred in these > newer cemeteries (I'm working with Find a Grave in hopes of cleaning this > up). > > I suppose the best way is to record this as a burial note. > > Your thoughts? > > If so, then for consistency, should I use Burial notes for actual > reinterment of corpses instead of Events? > > Lastly -- how do you record cemeteries? Do you use Event Addresses like I > do, attaching them to the Burial field, do you use Events, or something > else? > > Thanks, > Scott > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
[LegacyUG] Cemetery questions
Hey all... Need some advice on how to handle some cemetery relocation issues. First, if a person was buried in Cemetery X, but relocated to Cemetery Y, I've been recording it as follows: Original burial information to Burial DatePlace Field Attach Cemetery Event Address to Burial Date/Place Field Reinterment information to Reburial Event Fields. Add Cemetery name to "Description" Attach Cemetery Event Address to Event That's pretty straight forward -- record the event as it occurred at the time in the principal field (Burial) and the successive event as an Event. But, I've recently come across a number of ancestors for whom their *headstones* were relocated to a different cemetery, but their corpses *were not disinterred*. This is now challenging me as to how to record the location of the headstone. For those who may have New England ancestors, this issue arises in Connecticut where at least two 17th century towns, New Haven and Guilford, relocated the headstones of the dead buried on their town commons to cemeteries established in the early 19th century. In both cases, only the headstones were moved--the corpses remain buried under the town common, the exact site of the graves now lost to history. It seems obvious to record the original burial information as above -- but how to denote the relocation of the headstone? It's important to keep track of, if for no other reason than to explain the plethora of Find a Grave and other memorials that seem to indicate burial occurred in these newer cemeteries (I'm working with Find a Grave in hopes of cleaning this up). I suppose the best way is to record this as a burial note. Your thoughts? If so, then for consistency, should I use Burial notes for actual reinterment of corpses instead of Events? Lastly -- how do you record cemeteries? Do you use Event Addresses like I do, attaching them to the Burial field, do you use Events, or something else? Thanks, Scott -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
