Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Family Tree for Mac

[Michael Feldman]

I run it on my Mac without problems using Windows XP under Oracle 
Virtual Box (a free program). I'm not a heavy user or a serious 
genealogist, but I've found LFT to be a better program than the native 
Mac alternatives. It would be very nice to see someone develop a new LFT 
from scratch on a common code base that could be ported to Windows, Mac, 
and Linux without too much difficulty. I wonder if Millenia has done a 
serious market survey on this -- they could reach a potentially very 
large market if they used this multi-platform approach.


Or if nobody is making much money these days on LFT, maybe they could 
even release the VB source and let the open-source world 
reverse-engineer it and rewrite it using something more up to date than 
VB. The success of big multiplatform open-source projects like Firefox 
is a good indicator of the progress we've made in separating 
multiplatform concerns from platform-specific ones. Mac, Windows, and 
Linux are not *that* different anymore.


Mike Feldman

 Sherry H wrote:

The programmers were working with a company on a "Crossover" version
for the Mac but it wasn't going well, last I heard. Like Chris said,
Legacy will probably need a complete rework.

The Legacy website said it will run under Parallels, Fusion, or
Bootcamp.  https://legacyfamilytree.com/Features.asp   Not being a Mac
person, I don't know the differences.

Some Legacy users will stick with a Windows machine just for their
genealogy so they can run Legacy natively.

Sherry

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:14 AM, David Trussell  wrote:

So, no.

I also have have the “Mac version” of Ancestral Quest which is running on a
customized and optimized WINE (or Crossover, I can’t tell).

Not knowing the particulars, maybe this would be an option??

I’m just getting tired of switching to Parallels to use LFT. But thanks for
your answer.

Dave

On Jun 11, 2018, at 3:20 AM, Chris Hill 
wrote:

To a large degree that will depend on whether the Legacy developers and
Millennia want to rebuild the entire program from scratch.

The current version, and those earlier, are based on Visual Basic v6, which
went legacy in 2008 and is now totally out of date. Unlikely that Microsoft
will stop supporting it, as that would break a large number of applications,
including those developed and used by major businesses.

Conversion to the current Visual Basic .NET is possible, but it is not
backwards compatible and the conversion process is not possible for most
projects.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Hello from MyHeritage + 2 unique offers

[Michael Feldman]

Is WA state Washington state (home of Seattle) or Western Australia (home 
of Perth)?


Mike Feldman
Portland, Oregon


On September 13, 2017 4:44:16 PM CE WOOD  wrote:

I also have had MyHeritage Site and Data memberships for many years. Today 
I converted my two separate memberships into the new all-in-one Complete 
Package. The cost for me, in WA state was $125.29.It will renew yearly (if 
on auto renewal) on September 13 for the price-lock of $125.29.



Hurry! The offer is running out!


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf 
of bobsgenealogy 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:28 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hello from MyHeritage + 2 unique offers

I did the same thing - I have been a MyHeritage customer for a few years - 
I just called and they gave me the same offer with no new email or new name 
- as Vivian said ‘it was easy and they were as nice as pie’.


On 11Sep, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Vivian Gullickson White 
> wrote:


I don't know why people ASSUME that they can't get the deal because they 
already have a subscription. I called and asked and got it. I didn't have 
to sign up with a new name, or cancel, or anything. It was easy and they 
were nice as pie.


Secondly, the price lock mention was in the email. It states

"PLUS: Those who subscribe before Sunday night, September 10, will enjoy a 
Price-Lock Guarantee. For as long as you keep the subscription, the price 
will remain 50% discounted and will never increase in the future. This is a 
unique offer that MyHeritage is giving only to Legacy users and webinar 
viewers."


When you click on the link, it brings you to MyHeritage and the last 
sentence on the second paragragh says very clearly that the price is 
locked. 
https://www.myheritage.com/partner/LegacyFamilyTreeCompleteSep17?utm_source=partner_legacy_medium=email_campaign=legacy_summer_offer_content=complete



On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 3:22 PM, JoAnne Flynn 
> wrote:

Sign up using a different email and credit card how would they know

Josie Flynn
703 628-2100
jflyn...@aol.com

On Sep 4, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Anne Hildrum 
> wrote:


Well one way is to cancel the subscription, and most likely they will come 
up with a better deal.
I know several people who have done that, and MH wants them back and give 
them a better offer.


Anne

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Wendy Edwards

Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:15 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hello from MyHeritage + 2 unique offers

Easy - basic economics.

The reason that My Heritage is making this special offer is to grow their 
market. They already have subscribers, who, at least the vast majority, 
don't need cossetting to remain. Exisiting customers are unlikely to put 
themselves through the difficulty and time of creating new accounts.


The way for My Heritage to make more money is with new customers, not 
giving money away via special deals to existing ones.

Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 at 4:16 AM
From: "Rick Koelz" >
To: "Legacy User Group" 
>

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hello from MyHeritage + 2 unique offers
Don't miss your chance to get this exclusive low price for Legacy Family 
Tree users! This limited time offer will expire on September 10, 2017!

* Eligible for new MyHeritage paying subscribers only

It always ticks me off when EXISTING, LOYAL customers are exempt from 
special deals.
Should I cancel my current subscription and wait until the 9th and sign up 
for this deal? Or should I delete my current MyHeritage account and tree 
and sign up with a new identification

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Re: [LegacyUG] Problem with V8.0.0.602 and V8.0.0.604

[Michael Feldman]

  
  
Hi all,

Chris Hill wrote:


[snip]

  
 
The
Family History Information Standards Organisation (FHISO)
was started in 2012 and has just released its very
first draft standards for public comment, at the end of
June. Something that I need to review.
Hopefully,
if we can get everyone supporting a single standard, with no
exceptions, we will then be able to transfer data with no
loss.
  

A worthy ideal overall, but "no exceptions" is unlikely to happen in
practice. The computing world is filled with technical standards of
one kind or another; anyone who works in, or near, a standards
committee know this is like herding cats. And even after a standard
is adopted, some cats will wander off in their own direction anyway
(which is why standards are always revised periodically, to bring
exceptions into the fold, then the process starts again). It's human
nature (and, often, business nature as well).

[ASIDE] The evolution of character-set standards is a good example.
I think the discussion here of the em-dash problems is a
manifestation of this. "Back in the day" (the fifties), a character
was represented as six bits. Of course this limited the total number
of characters to 64, which is why the early computers printed
everything as UPPER CASE -- no room for lower case in the character
set. In recent decades, we've gone to 7 bits, 8 bits, and beyond, to
try to accommodate all countries' alphabets and now, even, emojis.
Google "number of bits in an emoji" for character-set fun and games.

[back to GEDCOM] It'll be interesting to see what FHISO comes up
with...

Just my $0.02.:-)

Mike Feldman
  


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Re: [LegacyUG] digest mode?

[Michael Feldman]

  
  
Hi all,

If I'm not mistaken, this group is hosted under the Mailman program.
I checked the Mailman website and discovered this:

"Q. What does Mailman's "digest" checkbox do?
"A. Mailman's "Membership Management" screen shows the subscribers
to your list and the various options set for each subscriber. One of
these options is the "digest" checkbox. If a subscriber has the
"digest" box checked, that subscriber will not receive each message
as it's sent to the list. Instead, the day's messages will be
grouped together and sent as a single message. If your list sends
several messages a day, the digest option gives the subscriber a way
to cut down on the total number of messages in his or her "in box",
while still seeing everything sent to the list."

So apparently it would be possible for this list to support digests,
just by checking a box for the individual subscriber. There seems to
be no technical reason for Legacy UG not to support this. Legacy
managers, would you be willing to do it if a subscriber requests it?
    Is there a downside?

Best regards,
Michael Feldman
Portland, Oregon

Ronald Bernier wrote:


  
No digest mode.  Although there have been
  some/many requests over the years, there has never been a
  digest mode.


  On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 9:14 AM Dennis Murphy <dmurf...@gmail.com>
wrote:
  
  
Does this mail list have a digest mode and, if so, sub
  URL please.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Divorce in Legacy Charting

[Michael Feldman]

That's it. You can select to move a single box, an entire generation, or a 
line of boxes. I suggest playing around with the single-box option to see 
how a box's attached lines behave when the box is moved.


Mike Feldman


On June 18, 2017 5:05:21 AM Brian Kelly  wrote:


I do not have charting running but from memory there is a column on the
left with choices on how moves will affect the chart. One of those is
the option to move only the person not their line. Look for an option
with only one box highlighted.

Brian Kelly

On 18-Jun-17 12:41 AM, Charley Foell via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Divorce in Legacy Charting
From: Charley Foell 
Date: 18-Jun-17 12:40 AM
To: Legacy User Group 

Thanks for all your insight! The work around will the do the trick.
I will need to move the spouses apart a bit to make room for "div". What
is the method to do that without moving their whole line?

Thanks!!


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Re: [LegacyUG] Divorce in Legacy Charting

[Michael Feldman]

  
  
Hi all,

I've just completed a set of descendant charts for a reunion of my
mother's extended family. The event -- the first such in 50 years --
took place last Saturday in Philadelphia with splendid turnout, and
everyone had a wonderful time. 

Many in attendance were wowed by the 20-page booklet showing the 5
generations starting with my grandparents who arrived in the US in
1907. My mom was the youngest of their eight children. Using v8, I
was able to control the chart content on each page by adjusting its
starting point and number of generations displayed. This allowed me
to produce a very attractive set of sub-family charts (one or a few
pages for each of the eight). A number of my relatives made clear
that this would be a tremendous resource for them and their kids.

I handled the divorce issue by inserting a little text box with
"div" just above the double line that connects spouses. (See the
"Insert" tab -- 3rd item in the chart menu.) Luckily there weren't
too many of these. I also confirmed with divorced family members
whether or not they wanted the "div" to be published in the chart.
Some did, some didn't. I made a policy decision to prioritize family
harmony over genealogical precision -- this was definitely the right
choice for the circumstances.

I found the ability to hand-edit a chart -- move boxes to better fit
them on a page, add text boxes, etc. -- to be a useful feature. I do
wish the chart were better integrated with the database; as it is,
even a slight change to a box's content (correct a typo or whatever)
requires the chart to be regenerated from scratch, so any
hand-editing is lost and must be re-done. I'd like to see a Legacy
chart work more like one in a spreadsheet -- the chart is
dynamically linked to its content so a change in the database is
automagically reflected in the chart.

I'd also like to be able to specify that a date be displayed as
year-only. In this era of privacy concerns, one's birth date has
become an important identifier (especially in health care). I'd like
to be able to flip a switch to suppress month and day, so as to show
the approximate age of a relative without exposing their full birth
date. Perhaps I'm missing something, but with v8, I found no way to
do this except to physically delete month and day from their record
in the database.

I'll put these in as suggestions. All in all, I was satisfied with
Legacy as a vehicle for this. For now, my project is complete; we'll
see what the future brings.

Michael Feldman
Portland, Oregon

Linda wrote:


  
Done ---
suggestion entered! 

  
 
Linda
  York    In God I trust !   

  


  

   On Friday,
  June 16, 2017 9:05 AM, Sherry
  <hot.rod.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

  
  
  

  

  Charley,

Showing the marriage status on charts, both in
Legacy Charting and on the charts in Legacy, is
something that's been requested for years.
Sadly, this request has been ignored.

  
  Please
go to the Legacy Home tab and in the Support
section, click on the link "Make a Suggestion".

  
  Let's
keep bugging them for this very important piece
of data!!! Without it, it looks like the people
in our tree are a bunch of bigamists!!!


  
  Sherry
  
  

  
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  From: Charley Foell <sard...@ymail.com>
  To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
  Cc: 
  Bcc: 
  Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 08:47:21 -0400

 
Subject: Divorce
  in Legacy Charting
  I am doing a family tree for my wife's
  family reunion. Several have requested
   

Re: [LegacyUG] More Fun and Games with v.9

[Michael Feldman]

Same thing happened to me. Luckily I had kept my v8 installer. I agree with 
Kris that this behavior is unacceptable. The v9 installer must at least ask 
permission before deleting the old version.

Mike


On June 6, 2017 10:59:38 PM Bill Dorr  wrote:


So download and reinstall 8.  It's not impossible.

http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00899/#8.0

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:36 PM, Kris  wrote:


I paid for and installed v.9 against my better judgement.  No problem, I'm
thinking, I can always revert to v.8 as I've made all the backups, etc.  So
I've been mostly happily using v.8.

Over the weekend, I hit the wrong button and accidentally opened v.9.  I
realized my mistake when it wanted to convert my family file, so I said,
"No thanks" and closed the program.

Today, I wanted to open v.8 and -- it's gone.  It's not there anymore. The
entire directory has been deleted.

So, v.9 does not only delete v.8 on install.  This is completely
unacceptable and NOT standard practice.  I have every version of Open
Office, for instance, on my computer as I used to do a lot of QA with that
project.  New versions do not delete old versions.

NEVER have I EVER had a new version of ANY program remove a previous
version.

There are a lot of reasons people might keep old versions of software. One
of them might be that they PAID for it?  I paid for v.8.  v.9 does
inappropriate things without notice or warning -- though even in that case
it wouldn't be acceptable.

I wondered why I kept getting "malware" warnings when I was using v.9 and
had to white list it.  It's on the black list now.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite new features of V9

[Michael Feldman]

Hi all,



I had a similar situation. I was able to regress to v.8, but it wasn't so easy:

(1) The v.9 installer deleted my installed v.8 (without my permission). Luckily, 
I had kept my v.8 installer and unlock code, so I could manually uninstall v.9 
and reinstall v.8.


(2) V. 9 converted the v.8 database I was working on, to its (apparently) new 
file format, so it wouldn't open with v.9. Luckily, I had kept regular v.8 
backups, so I could restore it in v.8 regress to the very latest database before 
the attempted switch to v.9. Luckily, I made this decision before investing much 
work in my v.9 database, so the only wasted effort was the upgrade --> regress 
process.


(Well, I also wasted the money for v.9, because I made the mistake of paying for 
v.8 two weeks before the free-upgrade offer started. Under the circumstances, I 
thought maybe Sales would be friendly and honor the free upgrade anyway. Nah, no 
such luck.)


Over more than 40 years of working with software, I've learned to be pretty 
obsessive about keeping backups and never throwing anything away, especially 
things like old installers. Luckily, disk space is now cheap and plentiful, so 
being a packrat is not as hard as it used to be. Developers, it seems, have not 
gotten much better at providing a friendly process for regressing to their old 
version(s). I guess they figure their new versions are so wonderful and flawless 
that nobody would ever want to regress.




So when you move up to v.9, just be advised. For now, I'm sticking with v8.

Mike

Kris wrote:

Hi, Allen --

I upgraded to v.9 and after trying it out for a week or two reverted back to 
v.8.  For me, the new features didn't outweigh the problems.


Regarding the "Hints" specifically, if you aren't subscribed to the sites that 
the hints use, it's not much help. The hints also seemed to consist mostly of 
information from user uploaded trees, and not original records.  I get the 
same, or better, results using customized "Search the Internet" options in v.8.


If you DO decide to upgrade to v.9, be sure you're prepared, otherwise going 
back to v.8 can be difficult, if not impossible. Fortunately, I knew about the 
potential pitfalls before installing v.9 from the reports on this list, so it 
was a simple matter to switch back to v.8.


That said, this is just my experience and there are many users here who are 
very pleased with the new version.


Kris

On 5/28/2017 5:45 AM, Allen Prunty wrote:
What are some of the new features of V9 that makes it worth it?  I'm really 
not sure I'm ready to upgrade at this point.


Allen





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Re: [LegacyUG] Date display in chart

[Michael Feldman]

Hi all,

In readying my extended-family tree for copying and distribution at an upcoming 
major reunion, I've decided it would be best to show birth years but refrain 
from showing full dates. Is there a way in Legacy to enter a full date into the 
database, but specify that only the year will be displayed in a chart? I haven't 
found anything like this in Legacy 8.


I'm thinking of privacy concerns here. Some of my relatives would be 
uncomfortable seeing their birth dates appear in a family tree chart, because 
one's birth date is becoming an increasingly important -- thus sensitive -- bit 
of identifying information. Health care providers, for example, ask patients to 
ID themselves with name and birth date (instead of social security number as in 
bygone days).


Thanks in advance for any advice!

Mike



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Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant chart

[Michael Feldman]

Thank you, Cathy! I hope to hear something soon!

Mike


On May 1, 2017 10:08:14 PM Cathy Pinner <genea...@gmail.com> wrote:


Michael,

It's a while since I tested Charting and don't recall seeing this
earlier but it's certainly there now.

I've entered a bug report and marked it urgent.

Cathy

Michael Feldman wrote:


Jenny, Cathy, et al

(grumble) So I upgraded to version 9. The free upgrade only applied if
I'd purchased version 8 after 11/25/16. I purchased 8 two weeks
earlier, on 11/10. I wrote Sales, which rejected my request for the
free upgrade. So I paid for version 9.

Ah, the wonders of software. Fix something (or add a feature), break
something else.

OK, the date-format option you mention below now works nicely.

HOWEVER, the version 8 suppress-invisible-people option does not
appear to work now in version 9. Checking that box when creating a
descendant chart seems to have no effect -- the "invisible" person is
still visible on the chart. This looks like a bug. Or have I missed
something?

(grumble) At this point, except for that date-format option (which I
can live without), I was fine with version 8. So I seem to have wasted
time and money going to 9. Irritating.

Best,
Mike

Jenny M Benson wrote:


On 30/04/2017 06:05, Cathy Pinner wrote:



There's an option in Legacy Charting in version 9 to change Date
formats.
See Help and Options - Chart Options - Date Format tab.

This is not in Legacy 8 charting.

If you've only recently purchased Legacy 8 (since 25 Nov 2016) you are
eligible for a free upgrade to 9. If you didn't get the email, contact
Sales.



Sorry, Mike (and anyone else who might have been confused). When I
gave these directions I should have said that I am now using Legacy 9
and didn't know if that option was available in earlier versions.








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Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant chart

[Michael Feldman]

Jenny, Cathy, et al

(grumble) So I upgraded to version 9. The free upgrade only applied if I'd 
purchased version 8 after 11/25/16. I purchased 8 two weeks earlier, on 11/10. I 
wrote Sales, which rejected my request for the free upgrade. So I paid for 
version 9.


Ah, the wonders of software. Fix something (or add a feature), break something 
else.

OK, the date-format option you mention below now works nicely.

HOWEVER, the version 8 suppress-invisible-people option does not appear to work 
now in version 9. Checking that box when creating a descendant chart seems to 
have no effect -- the "invisible" person is still visible on the chart. This 
looks like a bug. Or have I missed something?


(grumble) At this point, except for that date-format option (which I can live 
without), I was fine with version 8. So I seem to have wasted time and money 
going to 9. Irritating.


Best,
Mike

Jenny M Benson wrote:

On 30/04/2017 06:05, Cathy Pinner wrote:


There's an option in Legacy Charting in version 9 to change Date formats.
See Help and Options - Chart Options - Date Format tab.

This is not in Legacy 8 charting.

If you've only recently purchased Legacy 8 (since 25 Nov 2016) you are
eligible for a free upgrade to 9. If you didn't get the email, contact
Sales.


Sorry, Mike (and anyone else who might have been confused).  When I gave these 
directions I should have said that I am now using Legacy 9 and didn't know if 
that option was available in earlier versions.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant chart

[Michael Feldman]

Thank you so much, Jenny. I moved up to version 8 (but haven't purchased 9 yet), 
converted my family from backup, and both your suggestions worked beautifully. 
In fact, I can even leave those individuals set to "invisible", then check or 
uncheck a single box in the chart options to display or suppress the invisibles. 
This is neat!


Now I have one more question. I can change the date format within Legacy (e.g. 
to a U.S. style 4/29/2017), but this doesn't seem to get passed through to the 
charting program. In my charts, I can't seem to get anything but the 
British-style 29 Apr 2017. Is there a chart option to change the date format?


Thanks again!
Mike

Jenny M Benson wrote:

On 29/04/2017 14:51, Michael Feldman wrote:


Two questions. First, how do I create one that shows only blood
descendants, not their spouses? Specifically, I want to show my
grandparents and their eight children, but not the spouses of those
children. When I request a 2-generation chart, I now get 16 boxes  on
the second line; I'd like just the 8 children.


One way would be to go into the Privacy Settings on each spouse's 
Individual'sInformation page and (temporarily)cset him/her to Invisible.



Second, how do I request a descendant chart whose generations go
left-to-right instead of top-down?


Can't remember back to that version of Legacy but on 9 (and I'm sure 8 was the 
same) the left-to-right version of the chart was the second one labelled 
"Standard" along the row marked Descendant when selecting the chart type.






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[LegacyUG] Descendant chart

[Michael Feldman]

Hi all,

I'm new to the group. I've used Legacy Deluxe 7.5 and Legacy Charting 
Deluxe 7.5 for a few years, more intensively in the last few months.


I like the descendant charts.

Two questions. First, how do I create one that shows only blood 
descendants, not their spouses? Specifically, I want to show my 
grandparents and their eight children, but not the spouses of those 
children. When I request a 2-generation chart, I now get 16 boxes  on the 
second line; I'd like just the 8 children.


Second, how do I request a descendant chart whose generations go 
left-to-right instead of top-down?


Thanks in advance!
Mike Feldman, Portland OR



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Fwd: Re: [LegacyUG] Step-children.... in Family Group Sheets

[Michael Feldman]

Hi all,

I'm a new Legacy user and just joined the list.

I found the stepchildren thread in the archive, and was able
successfully to set a stepson's status as step. So far so good.

Those parents and stepson are part of a descendants report. In the
report options - descendant chart - include tab, child status is
grayed out, along with lots of other options. I thought perhaps those
were enabled in Legacy Deluxe, so I paid the upgrade fee and installed
it. But they're still grayed out.

I'd also like to indicate divorce situations on that descendant chart,
but marriage status is also grayed out.

Have I missed something somewhere that would turn those options on?

Thanks very much!

Mike Feldman, Portland OR



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