Re: [LegacyUG] Remove my EMail Mailing Address

[avp]

Legacy support. Shutdown the old email list until you can fix the unsubscribe 
option. It just isn't working. The one on the new system is however the 100 so 
emails are being generated by the old system. You are annoying some very good 
customers and are in danger of being registered as a generator of spam. 

Sent from my android device.

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Dale Patton 
To: Legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 2:53 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Remove my EMail Mailing Address

Please remove my email address until you get this figured out. I am tired of 
receiving these emails 

Thanks, 

Kevin 
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Re: [LegacyUG] New Mailing List Software and Servers

[avp]

So if the old system was broken where are all these messages coming from? I am 
unsubscribed from the new one. Yet still received over 100 emails in 5 hours. 

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-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support 
To: Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software 

Sent: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New Mailing List Software and Servers

Couldn't do that Brian, the old servers were broken so no messages could 
be sent to the lists to warn anyone. Until the new servers and software 
was up and running and we had subscribed the known users to the lists 
there was no way for anyone to receive my notice on what was happening.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com



On 22/02/2016 20:16, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
> Just make sure you give everybody 2 or 3 days notice ahead of time as to what 
> will be happening otherwise the list will be flooded with messages from users 
> wanting to know why they're being signed up on a new mailing list.
>
>
> Brian in CA

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Re: [LegacyUG] New Mailing List Software and Servers

[avp]

It probably got taken out as spam. It certainly looked like it. 

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-Original Message-
From: Susie Zada 
To: 'Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software' 

Sent: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New Mailing List Software and Servers

And a real pity I can't find a welcome message or if I have I can't read it!

Looks like we'll just disappear into the ether

Regards  Susie Zada - a member of this mailing list for many years -
maybe not for much longer?

-Original Message-
From: Legacyusergroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Brian L. Lightfoot
Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2016 12:17 PM
To: Legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New Mailing List Software and Servers

Just make sure you give everybody 2 or 3 days notice ahead of time as to
what will be happening otherwise the list will be flooded with messages from
users wanting to know why they're being signed up on a new mailing list.


Brian in CA



-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 2:45 PM
To: Legacy Test; Legacy User Group
Subject: New Mailing List Software and Servers

We have had to migrate our old mailing lists to a new server and software.
As part of that migration all users had to be resubscribed to the "New"
List. Everyone on the List will receive a welcome message.

The new list server and software requires a password for you to manage your
list subscription. A default password is included in your welcome message
along with the link to your new list account management page where you can
select list options.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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Re: [LegacyUG] What is going on? Spam or something else?

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--- Begin Message ---
One doesn't click on links in unexpected emails. One deletes the email. Or one 
should. 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Arrrggghhh!

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Messages are coming through as attachments. That is unacceptable from a 
security perspective. 

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From: Glenny via Legacyusergroup 
To: geneal...@gillandtony.com, Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree 
software 
Cc: Glenny 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Arrrggghhh!

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RE: [LegacyUG] Bug items List (used to be Same sex Marriages)

[avp]

Reasonable and understandable on future product direction but not on known and 
acknowledged software bugs. Not having a list wastes everyone's time.

Adrian


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-Original Message-
From: Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 3:27 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Bug items List (used to be Same sex Marriages)

A few months back I asked on this forum if Legacy has available a list of 
outstanding bugs. The reply was to the effect that they would never consider 
making public such a list because it was considered proprietary information and 
might give competitors an edge. I wanted to reply that it was a common task 
among many software products but I felt like I was being  browbeaten and the 
discussion ended there.



Brian in CA





From: a...@wavp.co.uk [mailto:a...@wavp.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:50 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Bug items List (used to be Same sex Marriages)



I have never known software or firmware where you cannot find a known problem 
list, somewhere (ie readme files). As a database developer, programmer and 
support manager of some 25 years that was standard requirement of me. I am not 
talking here of new developments but rather of known existing bugs. I would not 
put a fix date much to annoyance of various people but there was a list of 
known bugs available to users.

Priorities are what appears wrong here. I would suggest they should be.

1. Fix bugs which cause Legacy to crash or freeze. I have one of these 
outstanding. After 2 years there should be none of these.

2. Fix bugs which didn't happen in 7 but happen in 8. Have 2 of these 
outstanding. After 2 years there should be none of these.

3. Fix bugs which cause data to appear incorrect or missing with certain 
settings. Had one of these fixed in last release.

4. Fix situations where Legacy cannot store data re relationships between 
persons which other genealogical programs can.

5. Fix report formatting problems.

6. Fix any other problems.

7. New developments including next major release.

No reported problem should remain unfixed or patched for longer than 6 months.

I did once use FTM, the major reason I left was they didn't fix bugs until next 
major release, which you had to pay for. Then after paying for an upgrade the 
bug was still there. Legacy don't follow the same route.

Please note I am not knocking Legacy here as I still consider it is one of the 
best available. It used to be the best. However it appears 8 was released 
before it should and that not enough testing was done. This has caused the 
problems we are now seeing. I never ever found bugs in 7. For those suggesting 
a downgrade, it's not that easy in terms of ensuring data integrity when you 
have in excess of 7000 individuals.

Regards

Adrian


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-Original Message-
From: Dave Keeney dave.kee...@gmail.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 3:47 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Bug items List (used to be Same sex Marriages)


I wanted to respond to this issue but agree it should not be included within 
the Same sex Marriages thread. I've copied a few of the latest comments and 
started this new thread.

Not being able to view the known problems list has been a big concern to me for 
a long time.

Re: It's not secrecy at all.
It sure feels like it's a secret when we can't see the status of problems.





Image removed by sender.

I've submitted several bugs that have been acknowledged. And I still do not 
know any of their statuses. Some of them are so old that I sometimes forget 
I've submitted one and do so again, only to be told that it's already in 
process.



I also agree that everyone has bugs that are causing them grief. I've got one 
that causes me many hours of extra work monthly. But it's my dealing with a One 
Place study that probably doesn't rear its head to most people. So I agree with 
the you can't please everyone all the time.



My only recourse has been to find workarounds, a lot of times dealing with just 
using the Access database which works for now but I'm sure sooner or later it 
will come back to bite me by using it. Legacy is under no expectations from me 
to tell me when they change things under the covers so sooner or later I'll 
probably pay.



Re: It's frustrating but still the best.

I agree with this 100%. Programming puts developers in a sticky situation, a 
lot of times in a no win no win situation.



So I appreciate Legacy's efforts, and will continue to find whatever 
workarounds I can find for bugs and live with them as long as I can.



But it would be a lot easier just to know the status of them ... even if it's 
LOW priority because nobody else as chimed in with that bug.



And because of this I no longer submit bugs that I find.



Dave


-Original Message-
From: I Macaulay semibo...@yahoo.com
To: 

RE: [LegacyUG] Bug items List (used to be Same sex Marriages)

[avp]

I'm not going to argue but in my environment it was and is the norm. But most 
software/firmware have a very small number of known bugs.

Adrian

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-Original Message-
From: Jim Terry/Support jimte...@legacyusers.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 4:30 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Bug items List (used to be Same sex Marriages)

I have spent some time searching the support pages for RootsMagic and
Family Tree Maker looking for their bug lists, but haven't found them yet,
If anyone knows where I can find them, I honestly would like to see them. I
probably missed something. Thanks in advance.

Jim
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


 Original Message 
 From: Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:00 AM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Bug items List (used to be Same sex Marriages)

 A few months back I asked on this forum if Legacy has available a list of
outstanding bugs. The reply was to the effect that they would never
consider making public such a list because it was considered proprietary
information and might give competitors an edge. I wanted to reply that it
was a common task among many software products but I felt like I was being
browbeaten and the discussion ended there.



 Brian in CA




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Re: [LegacyUG] Bug items List (used to be Same sex Marriages)

[avp]

I have never known software or firmware where you cannot find a known problem 
list, somewhere (ie readme files). As a database developer, programmer and 
support manager of some 25 years that was standard requirement of me. I am not 
talking here of new developments but rather of known existing bugs. I would not 
put a fix date much to annoyance of various people but there was a list of 
known bugs available to users.

Priorities are what appears wrong here. I would suggest they should be.

1. Fix bugs which cause Legacy to crash or freeze. I have one of these 
outstanding. After 2 years there should be none of these.

2. Fix bugs which didn't happen in 7 but happen in 8. Have 2 of these 
outstanding. After 2 years there should be none of these.

3. Fix bugs which cause data to appear incorrect or missing with certain 
settings. Had one of these fixed in last release.

4. Fix situations where Legacy cannot store data re relationships between 
persons which other genealogical programs can.

5. Fix report formatting problems.

6. Fix any other problems.

7. New developments including next major release.

No reported problem should remain unfixed or patched for longer than 6 months.

I did once use FTM, the major reason I left was they didn't fix bugs until next 
major release, which you had to pay for. Then after paying for an upgrade the 
bug was still there. Legacy don't follow the same route.

Please note I am not knocking Legacy here as I still consider it is one of the 
best available. It used to be the best. However it appears 8 was released 
before it should and that not enough testing was done. This has caused the 
problems we are now seeing. I never ever found bugs in 7. For those suggesting 
a downgrade, it's not that easy in terms of ensuring data integrity when you 
have in excess of 7000 individuals.

Regards

Adrian


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-Original Message-
From: Dave Keeney dave.kee...@gmail.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 3:47 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Bug items List (used to be Same sex Marriages)

I wanted to respond to this issue but agree it should not be included
within the Same sex Marriages thread. I've copied a few of the latest
comments and started this new thread.

Not being able to view the known problems list has been a big concern to me
for a long time.

Re: It's not secrecy at all.
It sure feels like it's a secret when we can't see the status of problems.


I've submitted several bugs that have been acknowledged. And I still do not
know any of their statuses. Some of them are so old that I sometimes forget
I've submitted one and do so again, only to be told that it's already in
process.

I also agree that everyone has bugs that are causing them grief. I've got
one that causes me many hours of extra work monthly. But it's my dealing
with a One Place study that probably doesn't rear its head to most people.
So I agree with the you can't please everyone all the time.

My only recourse has been to find workarounds, a lot of times dealing with
just using the Access database which works for now but I'm sure sooner or
later it will come back to bite me by using it. Legacy is under no
expectations from me to tell me when they change things under the covers so
sooner or later I'll probably pay.

Re: It's frustrating but still the best.
I agree with this 100%. Programming puts developers in a sticky situation,
a lot of times in a no win no win situation.

So I appreciate Legacy's efforts, and will continue to find whatever
workarounds I can find for bugs and live with them as long as I can.

But it would be a lot easier just to know the status of them ... even if
it's LOW priority because nobody else as chimed in with that bug.

And because of this I no longer submit bugs that I find.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: I Macaulay semibo...@yahoo.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex Marriages

Its not always to my advantage to update the program, but I am sure that
there is value behind the changes.  I for one trust Legacy..  They have
proven that they care more than once.

Frustrating at times but still the best.

Ian

I used to be a banker,  but then I lost interest.

Ian Macaulay   Carp, Ontario
Open at 10:AM   Close at 5:00 PM
45.2397 N long: 76.0991 W Elv 137 M UTM
Don't Forget to Save the Stamps

--
*From:* a...@wavp.co.uk a...@wavp.co.uk
*To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2015 3:38 PM
*Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex Marriages

It is secrecy. The bug list is not publicly available. Let's get version 8
working correctly before worrying about 9 or are we going to 10 as
Microsoft did. Legacy 7 et al was fine. 8 appears to be full of problems. I
for one wished I hadn't upgraded as I am not sure what I got apart from
numerous problems.

Adrian

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-Original Message-

RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex Marriages

[avp]

Jim

You summarise what the problem is so far as the end user is concerned. We have 
no information as to when bugs will be fixed. 2 years is far too long! We don't 
understand the process for prioritisation of bugs. From looking at version fix 
lists some of the things fixed are very obscure and at the same time obvious 
problems as this are ignored or appear to be. I believe I have reported 5 bugs 
and I believe only one is fixed and that was one that was previously known 
about. Why all the secrecy about bug fixes and anticipated fixes.

Regards

Adrian



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-Original Message-
From: Jim Terry/Support jimte...@legacyusers.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex Marriages

Stan,

We don't have any projections for fix dates at this time. My half-sister,
who lives in the UK, has a civil union to her same-sex partner and I so
entered that way in my family file using Access change the gender. I don't
ever run into problems because it and just ignore the message after doing a
check/repair of my family file.

Jim
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


 Original Message 
 From: Stan Baker s...@ihug.co.nz
 Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 11:17 AM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex Marriages

 Thanks for your prompt reply Jim.
 The use of a word processor to amend final text is clearly far easier in
my case than attacking the database with MS Access even though I do have
and use that. I am concerned that the fix will leave my database vulnerable
as you say to other issues and add ins not working. I wonder if anyone has
a template of how they handled it post production with a word processor in
their tree?

 Can you give any indication Jim when the problem will be resolved in the
software though? Hopefully before the following tree publication in 5 month
time. From another post it seems to have been in the pipeline for a very
long time
 Best regards Stan Baker

 -Original Message-
 From: Jim Terry/Support [mailto:jimte...@legacyusers.com]
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:59 AM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: re: [LegacyUG] Same sex Marriages

 Sorry about the link. Try
 http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00549 (without the
period).

 Jim
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree




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RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex Marriages

[avp]

It is secrecy. The bug list is not publicly available. Let's get version 8 
working correctly before worrying about 9 or are we going to 10 as Microsoft 
did. Legacy 7 et al was fine. 8 appears to be full of problems. I for one 
wished I hadn't upgraded as I am not sure what I got apart from numerous 
problems.

Adrian

Sent from my android device.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Terry/Support jimte...@legacyusers.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 8:13 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex Marriages

Adrian,

It's not secrecy at all. Some changes like allowing same sex
relationships/marriages affect many aspects of Legacy, like reports,
events, file maintenance, etc. It takes time and testing. I presume things
that crash Legacy and affect the largest numbers of users probably get the
programmer's first priority. In addition, the programmers are always
thinking ahead to the next version while trying to work on things in the
current version. We have a bug tracking system as well as a list of
suggestions made by users that the programmers make use of. I image that it
all can get complicated. So we never know how long beta testing will take
and what issues testers might find.

Jim
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


 Original Message 
 From: a...@wavp.co.uk
 Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 11:55 AM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex Marriages

 Jim

 You summarise what the problem is so far as the end user is concerned. We
have no information as to when bugs will be fixed. 2 years is far too long!
We don't understand the process for prioritisation of bugs. From looking at
version fix lists some of the things fixed are very obscure and at the same
time obvious problems as this are ignored or appear to be. I believe I have
reported 5 bugs and I believe only one is fixed and that was one that was
previously known about. Why all the secrecy about bug fixes and anticipated
fixes.

 Regards

 Adrian




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Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex Marriages

[avp]

I agree but it's the failure to make the known problems list available that 
concerns me. We are off the original subject now so probably best to close this 
debate but Legacy please please please sort the known half cousins relationship 
bug. It's causing me so much grief.

Adrian

Adrian

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-Original Message-
From: I Macaulay semibo...@yahoo.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex Marriages

Its not always to my advantage to update the program, but I am sure that there 
is value behind the changes.  I for one trust Legacy..  They have proven that 
they care more than once.
Frustrating at times but still the best.

Ian   I used to be a banker,  but then I lost interest.

Ian Macaulay   Carp, Ontario
Open at 10:AM   Close at 5:00 PM
45.2397 N long: 76.0991 W Elv 137 M UTM
Don't Forget to Save the Stamps

  From: a...@wavp.co.uk a...@wavp.co.uk
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 3:38 PM
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex Marriages

It is secrecy. The bug list is not publicly available. Let's get version 8 
working correctly before worrying about 9 or are we going to 10 as Microsoft 
did. Legacy 7 et al was fine. 8 appears to be full of problems. I for one 
wished I hadn't upgraded as I am not sure what I got apart from numerous 
problems.

Adrian

Sent from my android device.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Terry/Support jimte...@legacyusers.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 8:13 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex Marriages

Adrian,

It's not secrecy at all. Some changes like allowing same sex
relationships/marriages affect many aspects of Legacy, like reports,
events, file maintenance, etc. It takes time and testing. I presume things
that crash Legacy and affect the largest numbers of users probably get the
programmer's first priority. In addition, the programmers are always
thinking ahead to the next version while trying to work on things in the
current version. We have a bug tracking system as well as a list of
suggestions made by users that the programmers make use of. I image that it
all can get complicated. So we never know how long beta testing will take
and what issues testers might find.

Jim
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


 Original Message 
 From: a...@wavp.co.uk
 Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 11:55 AM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex Marriages

 Jim

 You summarise what the problem is so far as the end user is concerned. We
have no information as to when bugs will be fixed. 2 years is far too long!
We don't understand the process for prioritisation of bugs. From looking at
version fix lists some of the things fixed are very obscure and at the same
time obvious problems as this are ignored or appear to be. I believe I have
reported 5 bugs and I believe only one is fixed and that was one that was
previously known about. Why all the secrecy about bug fixes and anticipated
fixes.

 Regards

 Adrian




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Re: [LegacyUG] Customize wording?

[avp]

Yes. Basic error made by Legacy here is never married is an establishable 
fact whereas no relationships is an opinion or guess. A genealogy database is 
for facts and not opinions or guesses. I too will put in a request.

Adrian

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-Original Message-
From: Pam White dpwh...@ihug.co.nz
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Customize wording?

I too am not happy with this change.  I will now have to go through my
database and remove all the previously never married and no children as I
have no way of knowing if these people had relationships or not. That means
I can no longer use this as a quick view to see if I need to look for a
marriage or not, or a means of recording no children (for those not
married).

I will also be putting in a suggestion that we are given a choice.
Pam

-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 1:37 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Customize wording?

You cannot please everyone. Users complained frequently when we used
never married so we changed it to a more general term relationship and
now others are complaining about that.

Brian
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Re: [LegacyUG] Customize wording?

[avp]

In which case it should be offered as an option as to wording.

Adrian

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-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Customize wording?

You cannot please everyone. Users complained frequently when we used
never married so we changed it to a more general term relationship and
now others are complaining about that.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

On 20/08/2015 12:22 AM, a...@wavp.co.uk wrote:
 'Never married' is definitely not the same as 'no relationships' and I am at 
 a loss as to how anyone at Legacy can think it is. If it was changed for 
 political correctness which I suspect, surely 'no legalised relationship' 
 would be better but I suppose that might intimate other relationships are 
 illegal (joke). Much easier to use term 'never married' as before.

 Regards

 Adrian (never married but not no relationships!)

 Sent from my android device.

 -Original Message-
 From: Gene Wheeler bridge...@gmail.com
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Sent: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:35 PM
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Customize wording?

 Before v. 10, I believe, if a person never married, the individual's view
 could be set to state Never married.  Now it says No relationships.  Is
 it possible for me to somehow customize this wording, going back to the
 orginal version as the default, but using the new wording when appropirate?

 Thanks,

 Gene




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RE: [LegacyUG] Customize wording?

[avp]

No comment. Tee hee!

Adrian
Bournemouth England

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-Original Message-
From: Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Customize wording?

But then I’d want an option to avoid the British spelling of “legalised” to the 
preferred American spelling as “legalized”. Maybe Brian in Support was correct: 
You cannot please everyone !



Brian in CA





From: a...@wavp.co.uk [mailto:a...@wavp.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 7:22 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Customize wording?



In which case it should be offered as an option as to wording.

Adrian

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-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Customize wording?

You cannot please everyone. Users complained frequently when we used
never married so we changed it to a more general term relationship and
now others are complaining about that.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

On 20/08/2015 12 tel:201512 :22 AM, a...@wavp.co.uk wrote:
 'Never married' is definitely not the same as 'no relationships' and I am at 
 a loss as to how anyone at Legacy can think it is. If it was changed for 
 political correctness which I suspect, surely 'no legalised relationship' 
 would be better but I suppose that might intimate other relationships are 
 illegal (joke). Much easier to use term 'never married' as before.

 Regards

 Adrian (never married but not no relationships!)

 Sent from my android device.

 -Original Message-
 From: Gene Wheeler bridge...@gmail.com
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Sent: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10 tel:201510 :35 PM
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Customize wording?

 Before v. 10, I believe, if a person never married, the individual's view
 could be set to state Never married.  Now it says No relationships.  Is
 it possible for me to somehow customize this wording, going back to the
 orginal version as the default, but using the new wording when appropirate?

 Thanks,

 Gene







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Re: [LegacyUG] Images attached to Legacy

[avp]

It's not just windows it's every system in operation, including the human 
brain. The bigger the book the longer it takes to read it. Common sense. It 
does not need to be documented. If legacy had a limit on size of graphics that 
would need to be documented but not this. There is no legacy limitation.

However I would agree there are too many bugs in Legacy 8.

Adrian



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Re: [LegacyUG] Customize wording?

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'Never married' is definitely not the same as 'no relationships' and I am at a 
loss as to how anyone at Legacy can think it is. If it was changed for 
political correctness which I suspect, surely 'no legalised relationship' would 
be better but I suppose that might intimate other relationships are illegal 
(joke). Much easier to use term 'never married' as before.

Regards

Adrian (never married but not no relationships!)

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-Original Message-
From: Gene Wheeler bridge...@gmail.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:35 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Customize wording?

Before v. 10, I believe, if a person never married, the individual's view
could be set to state Never married.  Now it says No relationships.  Is
it possible for me to somehow customize this wording, going back to the
orginal version as the default, but using the new wording when appropirate?

Thanks,

Gene




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RE: [LegacyUG] line breaks in event detail

[avp]

Legacy/Access store documents as txt but word is not a true text editor it is a 
docx/rtf editor. Notepad is a true txt editor. Very strange things can happen 
when posting from non txt to txt fields. It mainly happens vecause various 
formats/systems have different new line characters. CR/LF, CR, LF, LF, CR where 
CR is carriage return and LF line feed ascii codes. Sorry technical. Thus 
always best if having problems to go via notepad.

Legacy, access can support RTF in memo fields. Have you looked at this?

Adrian

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-Original Message-
From: Barton Lewis bartonle...@optonline.net
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Cc: remotes...@wavp.co.uk
Sent: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 4:14 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] line breaks in event detail

Thanks, Adrian.  I really never use Notepad, but your technique of pasting into 
it and then pasting into Legacy worked great (line breaks were preserved).  Is 
it standard to copy/paste text/comments from Word into Notepad before pasting 
into Legacy?



Thanks again,



Barton



From: a...@wavp.co.uk [mailto:a...@wavp.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:08 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Cc: remotes...@wavp.co.uk
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] line breaks in event detail



I believe it may be the pasting action that is causing the problem. If you 
paste the edited will into notepad does it format as you require. Make sure you 
have wordwrap turned off in notepad. If not correct in notepad then add returns 
there and then paste into legacy.

Access by the way is the database where Legacy stores its data. Legacy is a 
front-end to an ms access database.

Adrian

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-Original Message-
From: Barton Lewis bartonle...@optonline.net 
mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net 
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:12 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] line breaks in event detail

This did not fix it.  It is still breaking differently than what is in the 
document.  I don’t know what you mean by “Access database.”  This is just a 
Word document in my C drive.  My assumption is that breaks cannot be preserved 
and that Legacy wraps according to its own limitations/specifications.



I wanted to see how it looked in a Descendant Report and have several questions 
about that.  First, when I click on “Publishing Center” and choose “Descendant 
Book Report” I get a 66 page document for this particular ancestor.  When I 
choose “Descendant Book Report” I get an 88 page document.  I am not changing 
any settings.  What are the functional differences between these 2 reports?  
Also, for the first report, no source detail prints with the source.  For the 
second report, source detail is showing for certain sources (e.g. censuses) but 
not for the will of my ancestor which I added as an Event.  I find no option in 
the report for including or not including source detail.  I am sure it is 
somewhere – can you tell me where?



Thanks,



Barton



From: Cathy Pinner [mailto:genea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:12 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] line breaks in event detail



Use hard line breaks/paragraphs
Do a search and replace in your Word document.

I think this is a limitation of the Access database where the data is stored.

Barton Lewis wrote:


I transcribed the will of my ancestor and put soft returns at the end
of lines to preserve exactly how the will was written. When I paste
the text into the detail for the Event (Will), it is breaking the
lines before they end in many cases. This, despite the fact that the
lines are already shortened from the regular margins of a Word
document due to my soft line breaks. How can I get Legacy not to do
this and preserve the line breaks as they occur in the will?

Thanks,

Barton





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Re: [LegacyUG] Media Default Locations

[avp]

Marion

What you are doing is standard and quite safe subject to the caviat of regular 
backups. If your NAS is raid with redundancy you are safer with photos there 
than on the pc with one hard drive that can fail.

Adrian

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-Original Message-
From: marion wimsett 2wi...@gmail.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 5:43 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Media Default Locations

Hi Ian,
Thanks for the advice - can you tell me how you were bitten? I have the
Legacy trees (fdb) on Dropbox but they are both backed up to my normal hard
drive. The only thing I am using the server for (which I have now mapped to
be seen by Options in Legacy) is media for one of the files. There are so
many photos there and have yet to be completely sorted (inherited from
another computer) that I am loathe to put them on my own computer drives at
this stage.
Thanks,
Marion.

On 21 June 2015 at 23:12, I Macaulay semibo...@yahoo.com wrote:

 A caution when crossing drives and machines. Any hiccup on a save or write
 may corrupt the file.  I was bit and am now shy.

 Ian

 How does Moses make his tea? Hebrews it

 Ian Macaulay   Carp, Ontario
 Open at 10:AM   Close at 5:00 PM
 45.2397 N long: 76.0991 W Elv 137 M UTM
 Don't Forget to Save the Stamps


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  *From:* marion wimsett 2wi...@gmail.com
 *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, June 21, 2015 10:15 AM

 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Media Default Locations

 Thanks Adrian - yes - have played around with the mapping as you said and
 it seems to be working - there is an answer to most things - sometimes the
 brain is slow on picking them up - thank you for your suggestion and help.
 Regards,
 Marion

 On 21 June 2015 at 22:03, a...@wavp.co.uk wrote:

 I believe you will need to give the NAS drive a drive identifier in my
 computer as opposed to connecting via my network.

 Adrian


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 -Original Message-
 From: marion wimsett 2wi...@gmail.com
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Sent: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 2:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Media Default Locations

 Next small problem - I cannot get it to see the NAS server because that is
 a network drive - not a hard drive within the computer.  Any ideas on that
 - I really wanted to leave all of the media on the NAS server.
 Thanks,
 Marion

 On 21 June 2015 at 21:52, marion wimsett 2wi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you Cathy - just what I wanted to know. I got to the Options and was
 about to change the default location as in the new file is showed as E -
 before I changed it all and stuffed up the original file I would ask (for
 once decided discretion was the better part of valour!!)
 Regards, Marion

 On 21 June 2015 at 21:31, Cathy Pinner genea...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Marion,

 The default media location for a family file is set at Options - Customise
 6.2. Look for the (ff) next to the option. This means that it is Family
 File specific so you can have a different location for each of your family
 files.

 Cathy


 marion wimsett wrote:


 Hi,
 Query on Default Locations for Media. I have two separate family
 trees. For one all of the media is on the E drive, and the Default
 Location shows this as correct.
 I now have another tree, where the whole of the media is on a NAS
 server, and I do not really want to transfer it to my E drive.
 Question being: a: can I use the NAS server as my Media folder
 location and if I do and change the location for this particular tree,
 will it change the location for my first tree as well.
 Hope this makes sense.
 Using Windo ws 7 De Luxe Version 8.0.0.499
 Thanks in advance,
 Marion




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Re: [LegacyUG] Media Default Locations

[avp]

I believe you will need to give the NAS drive a drive identifier in my computer 
as opposed to connecting via my network.

Adrian


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-Original Message-
From: marion wimsett 2wi...@gmail.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Media Default Locations

Next small problem - I cannot get it to see the NAS server because that is
a network drive - not a hard drive within the computer.  Any ideas on that
- I really wanted to leave all of the media on the NAS server.
Thanks,
Marion

On 21 June 2015 at 21:52, marion wimsett 2wi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you Cathy - just what I wanted to know. I got to the Options and was
 about to change the default location as in the new file is showed as E -
 before I changed it all and stuffed up the original file I would ask (for
 once decided discretion was the better part of valour!!)
 Regards, Marion

 On 21 June 2015 at 21:31, Cathy Pinner genea...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Marion,

 The default media location for a family file is set at Options -
 Customise 6.2. Look for the (ff) next to the option. This means that it is
 Family File specific so you can have a different location for each of your
 family files.

 Cathy


 marion wimsett wrote:


 Hi,
 Query on Default Locations for Media. I have two separate family
 trees. For one all of the media is on the E drive, and the Default
 Location shows this as correct.
 I now have another tree, where the whole of the media is on a NAS
 server, and I do not really want to transfer it to my E drive.
 Question being: a: can I use the NAS server as my Media folder
 location and if I do and change the location for this particular tree,
 will it change the location for my first tree as well.
 Hope this makes sense.
 Using Windo ws 7 De Luxe Version 8.0.0.499
 Thanks in advance,
 Marion




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RE: [LegacyUG] line breaks in event detail

[avp]

I believe it may be the pasting action that is causing the problem. If you 
paste the edited will into notepad does it format as you require. Make sure you 
have wordwrap turned off in notepad. If not correct in notepad then add returns 
there and then paste into legacy.

Access by the way is the database where Legacy stores its data. Legacy is a 
front-end to an ms access database.

Adrian

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-Original Message-
From: Barton Lewis bartonle...@optonline.net
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:12 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] line breaks in event detail

This did not fix it.  It is still breaking differently than what is in the 
document.  I don’t know what you mean by “Access database.”  This is just a 
Word document in my C drive.  My assumption is that breaks cannot be preserved 
and that Legacy wraps according to its own limitations/specifications.



I wanted to see how it looked in a Descendant Report and have several questions 
about that.  First, when I click on “Publishing Center” and choose “Descendant 
Book Report” I get a 66 page document for this particular ancestor.  When I 
choose “Descendant Book Report” I get an 88 page document.  I am not changing 
any settings.  What are the functional differences between these 2 reports?  
Also, for the first report, no source detail prints with the source.  For the 
second report, source detail is showing for certain sources (e.g. censuses) but 
not for the will of my ancestor which I added as an Event.  I find no option in 
the report for including or not including source detail.  I am sure it is 
somewhere – can you tell me where?



Thanks,



Barton



From: Cathy Pinner [mailto:genea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:12 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] line breaks in event detail



Use hard line breaks/paragraphs
Do a search and replace in your Word document.

I think this is a limitation of the Access database where the data is stored.

Barton Lewis wrote:




I transcribed the will of my ancestor and put soft returns at the end
of lines to preserve exactly how the will was written. When I paste
the text into the detail for the Event (Will), it is breaking the
lines before they end in many cases. This, despite the fact that the
lines are already shortened from the regular margins of a Word
document due to my soft line breaks. How can I get Legacy not to do
this and preserve the line breaks as they occur in the will?

Thanks,

Barton





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Re: [LegacyUG] Tagging Blood Relations only

[avp]

Yes. That works. Thank you. I hadn't realised you could search for a 
relationship marker in that way. Bit long winded but gives expected result ie 
2600 not 625 or 6500.

But still think it should be an option in advanced tagging, Legacy support 
please note.

Thanks

Adrian

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-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Tagging Blood Relations only

On 14/06/2015 22:59, Adrian Purkiss wrote:
 I am trying to tag blood relatives on certain key persons in my tree.
 However, I can’t find a way to do it. It either tags ancestors only
 (with or without spouses and siblings depending on settings) and ignores
 cousins. Or it includes all connected people even if they are blood
 relations or not. Legacy obviously can do it as it needs to find the
 ones I want to tag for the relationship report, but there appears no
 advanced tagging option that covers the same situation.

There might be a better way, but this is one way.  Set Relationships to
the person whose relatives you want to tag, then Search for Individuals
with Relationship Equal to Related.  Open Advanced Tagging and tag
everyone in the Search List.

--
Jenny M Benson




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