Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[BARTON LEWIS]

Got it!  Most helpful, many thanks.


Barton


On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 04:43 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:


On 15-Jul-17 02:00 AM, Barton Lewis wrote:
Jenny, can you please explain what you mean by "change the entry in 
that
field when creating my master source?"  Which field?  I don't 
understand how
"online image" relates to any field in the template, to begin with, 
so I
don't know what field I am supposed to change or what I should change 
it to.


If you are creating a new SourceWriter Source and select Newspapers at 
step 1 and Online images (issued by unrelated content provider) at 
step 2 there are 5 fields on the Source Info screen which follows. 
These are Source List Name, Location State, Location City, Title and 
Format.  The first 4 are blank for you to enter as appropriate but the 
last, Format, has "Digital images" already entered for you.  You can, 
however, simply delete this and enter "Transcription" or whatever you 
wish.


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Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[Jenny M Benson]

On 15-Jul-17 02:00 AM, Barton Lewis wrote:

Jenny, can you please explain what you mean by "change the entry in that
field when creating my master source?"  Which field?  I don't understand how
"online image" relates to any field in the template, to begin with, so I
don't know what field I am supposed to change or what I should change it to.


If you are creating a new SourceWriter Source and select Newspapers at 
step 1 and Online images (issued by unrelated content provider) at step 
2 there are 5 fields on the Source Info screen which follows.  These are 
Source List Name, Location State, Location City, Title and Format.  The 
first 4 are blank for you to enter as appropriate but the last, Format, 
has "Digital images" already entered for you.  You can, however, simply 
delete this and enter "Transcription" or whatever you wish.


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Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[BARTON LEWIS]

Cathy, thank you.  That is a good suggestion.  The Online Database 
template is a very flexible option and it would seem to fit this 
situation.



Barton

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 09:28 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Hi Barton,



Sorry, I was only responding to part of your email re the difference 
between templates.




If what you are looking at is transcriptions then I'd be using an Online 
Database template.


The information may be from newspapers but you are not seeing the 
newspaper image and it's not the newspaper itself publishing in two 
different ways, so the newspaper would go in the Source Detail credit 
line in my opinion.




But keep remembering why you are sourcing. The aim is for someone else 
to know what you've looked at and be able to find it for themselves or 
know why they can't (because it's privately held).




Cathy



Barton Lewis wrote:



Jenny, can you please explain what you mean by "change the entry in that

field when creating my master source?"  Which field?  I don't understand 
how


"online image"
 relates to any field in the template, to begin with, so I

don't know what field I am supposed to change or what I should change it 
to.




Barton



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   For example, in the template I ended up selecting,



"Newspapers>Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)," I

asked if "issued" means "published on this website," which I assume it

does.





That's the assumption I would make.



   I also nitpicked about the use of "online image;" I assume that



is equivalent to a transcription although it seems somewhat imprecise.

The distinction is perhaps not impor
tant.





No, an online image is an actual digital image of an original document.

If the words have been copied (typed or OCR'd) then it is a 
Transcription.


The distinction is important because you cannot be assured of the 
accuracy


of a transcription.



In the case of the Newspaper template which only offers Online Images as 
a


content type, I would simply change the entry in that field when 
creating my


Master Source.





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Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[Cathy Pinner]

Hi Barton,

Sorry, I was only responding to part of your email re the difference 
between templates.


If what you are looking at is transcriptions then I'd be using an Online 
Database template.
The information may be from newspapers but you are not seeing the 
newspaper image and it's not the newspaper itself publishing in two 
different ways, so the newspaper would go in the Source Detail credit 
line in my opinion.


But keep remembering why you are sourcing. The aim is for someone else 
to know what you've looked at and be able to find it for themselves or 
know why they can't (because it's privately held).


Cathy

Barton Lewis wrote:


Jenny, can you please explain what you mean by "change the entry in that
field when creating my master source?" Which field? I don't understand how
"online image" relates to any field in the template, to begin with, so I
don't know what field I am supposed to change or what I should change 
it to.


Barton

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

For example, in the template I ended up selecting,


"Newspapers>Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)," I
asked if "issued" means "published on this website," which I assume it
does.



That's the assumption I would make.

I also nitpicked about the use of "online image;" I assume that


is equivalent to a transcription although it seems somewhat imprecise.
The distinction is perhaps not important.



No, an online image is an actual digital image of an original document.
If the words have been copied (typed or OCR'd) then it is a Transcription.
The distinction is important because you cannot be assured of the accuracy
of a transcription.

In the case of the Newspaper template which only offers Online Images as a
content type, I would simply change the entry in that field when 
creating my

Master Source.


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Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[Barton Lewis]

Jenny, can you please explain what you mean by "change the entry in that
field when creating my master source?"  Which field?  I don't understand how
"online image" relates to any field in the template, to begin with, so I
don't know what field I am supposed to change or what I should change it to.

Barton

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Behalf Of Jenny M Benson
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 12:39 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

  For example, in the template I ended up selecting,
> "Newspapers>Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)," I 
> asked if "issued" means "published on this website," which I assume it 
> does.

That's the assumption I would make.

  I also nitpicked about the use of "online image;" I assume that
> is equivalent to a transcription although it seems somewhat imprecise. 
> The distinction is perhaps not important.

No, an online image is an actual digital image of an original document. 
If the words have been copied (typed or OCR'd) then it is a Transcription.
The distinction is important because you cannot be assured of the accuracy
of a transcription.

In the case of the Newspaper template which only offers Online Images as a
content type, I would simply change the entry in that field when creating my
Master Source.


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Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

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What about the newspapers that "publish" obituaries on their websites as well 
as in their print newspapers. Such online obituaries are more than a 
transcription (although they may appear so) even though they are not the sacred 
image from the print newspaper. While the digitally published version is not in 
the newspapers font (nor have yellowed edges) it should be as equally an 
original source as the mechanically printed version. Is there agreement on this?

 

 

 

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For example, in the template I ended up selecting,
> "Newspapers>Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)," I 
> asked if "issued" means "published on this website," which I assume it 
> does. 

That's the assumption I would make.

  I also nitpicked about the use of "online image;" I assume that
> is equivalent to a transcription although it seems somewhat imprecise. 
> The distinction is perhaps not important.

No, an online image is an actual digital image of an original document. 
If the words have been copied (typed or OCR'd) then it is a 
Transcription.  The distinction is important because you cannot be 
assured of the accuracy of a transcription.

In the case of the Newspaper template which only offers Online Images as 
a content type, I would simply change the entry in that field when 
creating my Master Source.


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Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[Jenny M Benson]

 For example, in the template I ended up selecting,
"Newspapers>Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)," I 
asked if "issued" means "published on this website," which I assume it 
does. 


That's the assumption I would make.

 I also nitpicked about the use of "online image;" I assume that
is equivalent to a transcription although it seems somewhat imprecise. 
The distinction is perhaps not important.


No, an online image is an actual digital image of an original document. 
If the words have been copied (typed or OCR'd) then it is a 
Transcription.  The distinction is important because you cannot be 
assured of the accuracy of a transcription.


In the case of the Newspaper template which only offers Online Images as 
a content type, I would simply change the entry in that field when 
creating my Master Source.



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Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[BARTON LEWIS]

Hi Shirley, yes, I always insert the state abbreviation in the newspaper 
title after the name of the city or town.  I don't know why the Legacy 
template provides a field for the state which does not output.  I 
believe I read in EE that it's fine to do this (insert the state 
abbreviation) for clarification in the newspaper title.

Barton


On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Shirley Crampton wrote:

Barton
With this citation it is important to include Michigan since there is a 
Grand Rapids in either Illinois or Indiana.

Shirley


On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:05 PM, BARTON LEWIS 
<bartonle...@optonline.net <mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net> > wrote:
I agree.  The only 2 options Legacy includes for online obituaries that 
are "issued by unrelated content provider" have the descriptor "online 
images" in them.  I'm not sure if there is any material effect on the 
citation by using the template for an obituary that has been 
transcribed.  The output I provided appears to be clear and sufficient, 
so I guess that's what counts.  Still, it might be nice if the template 
were styled "Newspapers>Online images or transcriptions (issued by 
unrelated content provider" (my change in bold).




On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:18 AM, bobstree2 wrote:

I will not get involved in the "correct way" of sourcing, that is a 
personal choice.   But i do see a major distinction between an image and 
a transcription. 



An image is a picture of an actual item as it exists to the 
photographer/scanner.    




But a transcription is someone's interpretation of the actual item.  A 
transcription is subject to clerical errors, missing information 
accidentally or intentional, and or personal conclusions and/or 
editing. 



An image is closer to a Primary Source depending on many factors.
A transcription is definitely Secondary Source at best. 





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Date: 7/14/17  10:28 AM  (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary


Hi Cathy,
Thank you for your reply.  However, I did take a look at the existing 
templates (I thought my post reflected that).  I also may have provided 
"TMI" (I tend to do this), was not sufficiently succinct and/or asked 
obvious questions.  For example, in the template I ended up selecting, 
"Newspapers>Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)," I 
asked if "issued" means "published on this website," which I assume it 
does.  I also nitpicked about the use of "online image;" I assume that 
is equivalent to a transcription although it seems somewhat imprecise.  
The distinction is perhaps not important. 


The output for my obituary is:
"Andrew Kulesa," Grand Rapids Press, 23 Aug 2014; database, MLive Media 
Group 
(http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?pid=172223191 
<http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?pid=172223191> 
: accessed 14 Jul 2017), Obituaries.
I think this is good.  The only gripe I have is that, although the 
template provides a field for "State," this does not appear in the 
output.  I think the way around this is to insert the state's 
abbreviation in parentheses between "Rapids" and "Press."


On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 02:13 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Barton,

There may not be any - take a look.

Cathy



Barton Lewis wrote:



So here’s a source citation problem that I would be interested in

hearing feedback about: I found an obituary for someone that provides

his mother’s maiden name, an important link to a DNA match that I

haven’t been able to obtain otherwise. The obituary is on a website

for a company that calls itself “[X] Media Group” (the “X” is

replacing its actual name). The obit came up when Googling the man’s

mother’s married name, and appears on a page that has the following

inscription at top: “Obituaries & Guestbooks Provided by Funeral

Directors & Families from the Grand Rapids Press.” X Media Group, on

its About Us page states it is “an audience-first venture encompassing

content, sales, and ma
rketing professionals that care deeply about

digital marketing.” Which Master Source template should I use? The

obituary is not issued by the publisher, if “issued” is the same as

published on the website in question, correct? The templates which

include “issued by unrelated content provider” would seem to be the

correct ones, but they all include the categorization “online image.”

Is there a difference between an “online image” and a transcription of

the obituary? Is the former an actual digital image of the obituary as

it appeared in the newspaper? If so, is it appropriate to use this

templat

Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[Shirley Crampton]

Barton
With this citation it is important to include Michigan since there is a
Grand Rapids in either Illinois or Indiana.
Shirley

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:05 PM, BARTON LEWIS <bartonle...@optonline.net>
wrote:

> I agree.  The only 2 options Legacy includes for online obituaries that
> are "issued by unrelated content provider" have the descriptor "online
> images" in them.  I'm not sure if there is any material effect on the
> citation by using the template for an obituary that has been transcribed.
> The output I provided appears to be clear and sufficient, so I guess that's
> what counts.  Still, it might be nice if the template were styled
> "Newspapers>Online images or transcriptions (issued by unrelated content
> provider" (my change in bold).
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:18 AM, bobstree2 wrote:
>
> I will not get involved in the "correct way" of sourcing, that is a
> personal choice.   But i do see a major distinction between an image and a
> transcription.
>
> An image is a picture of* an actual item* as it exists to the
> photographer/scanner.
>
>
> But a transcription is *someone's interpretation of the actual item.*  A
> transcription is subject to clerical errors, missing information
> accidentally or intentional, and or personal conclusions and/or editing.
>
> An image is closer to a Primary Source depending on many factors.
> A transcription is definitely Secondary Source at best.
>
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: BARTON LEWIS <bartonle...@optonline.net>
> Date: 7/14/17 10:28 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary
>
> Hi Cathy,
>
> Thank you for your reply.  However, I did take a look at the existing
> templates (I thought my post reflected that).  I also may have provided
> "TMI" (I tend to do this), was not sufficiently succinct and/or asked
> obvious questions.  For example, in the template I ended up selecting,
> "Newspapers>Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)," I asked
> if "issued" means "published on this website," which I assume it does.  I
> also nitpicked about the use of "online image;" I assume that is equivalent
> to a transcription although it seems somewhat imprecise.  The distinction
> is perhaps not important.
>
> The output for my obituary is:
>
> "Andrew Kulesa," Grand Rapids Press, 23 Aug 2014; database, MLive Media
> Group (http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/
> obituary.aspx?pid=172223191 : accessed 14 Jul 2017), Obituaries.
>
> I think this is good.  The only gripe I have is that, although the
> template provides a field for "State," this does not appear in the output.
> I think the way around this is to insert the state's abbreviation in
> parentheses between "Rapids" and "Press."
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 02:13 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
>
> Barton,
> There may not be any - take a look.
> Cathy
>
> Barton Lewis wrote:
>
>
> So here’s a source citation problem that I would be interested in
> hearing feedback about: I found an obituary for someone that provides
> his mother’s maiden name, an important link to a DNA match that I
> haven’t been able to obtain otherwise. The obituary is on a website
> for a company that calls itself “[X] Media Group” (the “X” is
> replacing its actual name). The obit came up when Googling the man’s
> mother’s married name, and appears on a page that has the following
> inscription at top: “Obituaries & Guestbooks Provided by Funeral
> Directors & Families from the Grand Rapids Press.” X Media Group, on
> its About Us page states it is “an audience-first venture encompassing
> content, sales, and ma rketing professionals that care deeply about
> digital marketing.” Which Master Source template should I use? The
> obituary is not issued by the publisher, if “issued” is the same as
> published on the website in question, correct? The templates which
> include “issued by unrelated content provider” would seem to be the
> correct ones, but they all include the categorization “online image.”
> Is there a difference between an “online image” and a transcription of
> the obituary? Is the former an actual digital image of the obituary as
> it appeared in the newspaper? If so, is it appropriate to use this
> template since the obituary is a transcription?
>
> Finally, why is there a separate category for some of the templates
> that includes “periodicals” in front of the rest of the descriptors,
> e.g. “Newspapers>online archives>issued by the pu

Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[BARTON LEWIS]

I agree.  The only 2 options Legacy includes for online obituaries that 
are "issued by unrelated content provider" have the descriptor "online 
images" in them.  I'm not sure if there is any material effect on the 
citation by using the template for an obituary that has been 
transcribed.  The output I provided appears to be clear and sufficient, 
so I guess that's what counts.  Still, it might be nice if the template 
were styled "Newspapers>Online images or transcriptions (issued by 
unrelated content provider" (my change in bold).



On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:18 AM, bobstree2 wrote:

I will not get involved in the "correct way" of sourcing, that is a 
personal choice.   But i do see a major distinction between an image and 
a transcription. 



An image is a picture of an actual item as it exists to the 
photographer/scanner.    




But a transcription is someone's interpretation of the actual item.  A 
transcription is subject to clerical errors, missing information 
accidentally or intentional, and or personal conclusions and/or 
editing. 



An image is closer to a Primary Source depending on many factors.
A transcription is definitely Secondary Source at best. 





 Original message 
From: BARTON LEWIS <bartonle...@optonline.net>
Date: 7/14/17  10:28 AM  (GMT-05:00)
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary


Hi Cathy,
Thank you for your reply.  However, I did take a look at the existing 
templates (I thought my post reflected that).  I also may have provided 
"TMI" (I tend to do this), was not sufficiently succinct and/or asked 
obvious questions.  For example, in the template I ended up selecting, 
"Newspapers>Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)," I 
asked if "issued" means "published on this website," which I assume it 
does.  I also nitpicked about the use of "online image;" I assume that 
is equivalent to a transcription although it seems somewhat imprecise.  
The distinction is perhaps not important. 


The output for my obituary is:
"Andrew Kulesa," Grand Rapids Press, 23 Aug 2014; database, MLive Media 
Group 
(http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?pid=172223191 
: accessed 14 Jul 2017), Obituaries.
I think this is good.  The only gripe I have is that, although the 
template provides a field for "State," this does not appear in the 
output.  I think the way around this is to insert the state's 
abbreviation in parentheses between "Rapids" and "Press."


On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 02:13 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Barton,

There may not be any - take a look.

Cathy



Barton Lewis wrote:



So here’s a source citation problem that I would be interested in

hearing feedback about: I found an obituary for someone that provides

his mother’s maiden name, an important link to a DNA match that I

haven’t been able to obtain otherwise. The obituary is on a website

for a company that calls itself “[X] Media Group” (the “X” is

replacing its actual name). The obit came up when Googling the man’s

mother’s married name, and appears on a page that has the following

inscription at top: “Obituaries & Guestbooks Provided by Funeral

Directors & Families from the Grand Rapids Press.” X Media Group, on

its About Us page states it is “an audience-first venture encompassing

content, sales, and ma
rketing professionals that care deeply about

digital marketing.” Which Master Source template should I use? The

obituary is not issued by the publisher, if “issued” is the same as

published on the website in question, correct? The templates which

include “issued by unrelated content provider” would seem to be the

correct ones, but they all include the categorization “online image.”

Is there a difference between an “online image” and a transcription of

the obituary? Is the former an actual digital image of the obituary as

it appeared in the newspaper? If so, is it appropriate to use this

template since the obituary is a transcription?



Finally, why is there a separate category for some of the templates

that includes “periodicals” in front of the rest of the descriptors,

e.g. “Newspapers>online archives>issued by the publisher” vs.

“Periodicals>Newspapers>online archives&
gt;issued by the publisher”;

what’s the difference between the two?



Thanks,



Barton

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Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

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I will not get involved in the "correct way" of sourcing, that is a personal 
choice.   But i do see a major distinction between an image and a 
transcription. 
An image is a picture of an actual item as it exists to the 
photographer/scanner.    

But a transcription is someone's interpretation of the actual item.  A 
transcription is subject to clerical errors, missing information accidentally 
or intentional, and or personal conclusions and/or editing. 
An image is closer to a Primary Source depending on many factors.A 
transcription is definitely Secondary Source at best. 


 Original message From: BARTON LEWIS 
<bartonle...@optonline.net> Date: 7/14/17  10:28 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Legacy 
User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] citing an 
online obituary 
Hi Cathy,

Thank you for your reply.  However, I did take a look at the existing templates 
(I thought my post reflected that).  I also may have provided "TMI" (I tend to 
do this), was not sufficiently succinct and/or asked obvious questions.  For 
example, in the template I ended up selecting, "Newspapers>Online images 
(issued by unrelated content provider)," I asked if "issued" means "published 
on this website," which I assume it does.  I also nitpicked about the use of 
"online image;" I assume that is equivalent to a transcription although it 
seems somewhat imprecise.  The distinction is perhaps not important.  

The output for my obituary is:

"Andrew Kulesa," Grand Rapids Press, 23 Aug 2014; database, MLive Media Group 
(http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?pid=172223191 : 
accessed 14 Jul 2017), Obituaries.

I think this is good.  The only gripe I have is that, although the template 
provides a field for "State," this does not appear in the output.  I think the 
way around this is to insert the state's abbreviation in parentheses between 
"Rapids" and "Press."



On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 02:13 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:

Barton,

There may not be any - take a look.

Cathy



Barton Lewis wrote:



So here’s a source citation problem that I would be interested in 

hearing feedback about: I found an obituary for someone that provides 

his mother’s maiden name, an important link to a DNA match that I 

haven’t been able to obtain otherwise. The obituary is on a website 

for a company that calls itself “[X] Media Group” (the “X” is 

replacing its actual name). The obit came up when Googling the man’s 

mother’s married name, and appears on a page that has the following 

inscription at top: “Obituaries & Guestbooks Provided by Funeral 

Directors & Families from the Grand Rapids Press.” X Media Group, on 

its About Us page states it is “an audience-first venture encompassing 

content, sales, and ma
rketing professionals that care deeply about 

digital marketing.” Which Master Source template should I use? The 

obituary is not issued by the publisher, if “issued” is the same as 

published on the website in question, correct? The templates which 

include “issued by unrelated content provider” would seem to be the 

correct ones, but they all include the categorization “online image.” 

Is there a difference between an “online image” and a transcription of 

the obituary? Is the former an actual digital image of the obituary as 

it appeared in the newspaper? If so, is it appropriate to use this 

template since the obituary is a transcription?



Finally, why is there a separate category for some of the templates 

that includes “periodicals” in front of the rest of the descriptors, 

e.g. “Newspapers>online archives>issued by the publisher” vs. 

“Periodicals>Newspapers>online archives&
gt;issued by the publisher”; 

what’s the difference between the two?



Thanks,



Barton

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Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[BARTON LEWIS]

Hi Cathy,
Thank you for your reply.  However, I did take a look at the existing 
templates (I thought my post reflected that).  I also may have provided 
"TMI" (I tend to do this), was not sufficiently succinct and/or asked 
obvious questions.  For example, in the template I ended up selecting, 
"Newspapers>Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)," I 
asked if "issued" means "published on this website," which I assume it 
does.  I also nitpicked about the use of "online image;" I assume that 
is equivalent to a transcription although it seems somewhat imprecise.  
The distinction is perhaps not important. 


The output for my obituary is:
"Andrew Kulesa," Grand Rapids Press, 23 Aug 2014; database, MLive Media 
Group 
(http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?pid=172223191 
: accessed 14 Jul 2017), Obituaries.
I think this is good.  The only gripe I have is that, although the 
template provides a field for "State," this does not appear in the 
output.  I think the way around this is to insert the state's 
abbreviation in parentheses between "Rapids" and "Press."


On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 02:13 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Barton,

There may not be any - take a look.

Cathy



Barton Lewis wrote:



So here’s a source citation problem that I would be interested in

hearing feedback about: I found an obituary for someone that provides

his mother’s maiden name, an important link to a DNA match that I

haven’t been able to obtain otherwise. The obituary is on a website

for a company that calls itself “[X] Media Group” (the “X” is

replacing its actual name). The obit came up when Googling the man’s

mother’s married name, and appears on a page that has the following

inscription at top: “Obituaries & Guestbooks Provided by Funeral

Directors & Families from the Grand Rapids Press.” X Media Group, on

its About Us page states it is “an audience-first venture encompassing

content, sales, and ma
rketing professionals that care deeply about

digital marketing.” Which Master Source template should I use? The

obituary is not issued by the publisher, if “issued” is the same as

published on the website in question, correct? The templates which

include “issued by unrelated content provider” would seem to be the

correct ones, but they all include the categorization “online image.”

Is there a difference between an “online image” and a transcription of

the obituary? Is the former an actual digital image of the obituary as

it appeared in the newspaper? If so, is it appropriate to use this

template since the obituary is a transcription?



Finally, why is there a separate category for some of the templates

that includes “periodicals” in front of the rest of the descriptors,

e.g. “Newspapers>online archives>issued by the publisher” vs.

“Periodicals>Newspapers>online archives&
gt;issued by the publisher”;

what’s the difference between the two?



Thanks,



Barton

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Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[Cathy Pinner]

Barton,
There may not be any - take a look.
Cathy

Barton Lewis wrote:


So here’s a source citation problem that I would be interested in
hearing feedback about: I found an obituary for someone that provides
his mother’s maiden name, an important link to a DNA match that I
haven’t been able to obtain otherwise. The obituary is on a website
for a company that calls itself “[X] Media Group” (the “X” is
replacing its actual name). The obit came up when Googling the man’s
mother’s married name, and appears on a page that has the following
inscription at top: “Obituaries & Guestbooks Provided by Funeral
Directors & Families from the Grand Rapids Press.” X Media Group, on
its About Us page states it is “an audience-first venture encompassing
content, sales, and marketing professionals that care deeply about
digital marketing.” Which Master Source template should I use? The
obituary is not issued by the publisher, if “issued” is the same as
published on the website in question, correct? The templates which
include “issued by unrelated content provider” would seem to be the
correct ones, but they all include the categorization “online image.”
Is there a difference between an “online image” and a transcription of
the obituary? Is the former an actual digital image of the obituary as
it appeared in the newspaper? If so, is it appropriate to use this
template since the obituary is a transcription?

Finally, why is there a separate category for some of the templates
that includes “periodicals” in front of the rest of the descriptors,
e.g. “Newspapers>online archives>issued by the publisher” vs.
“Periodicals>Newspapers>online archives>issued by the publisher”;
what’s the difference between the two?

Thanks,

Barton
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[LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[Barton Lewis]

So here's a source citation problem that I would be interested in hearing
feedback about:  I found an obituary for someone that provides his mother's
maiden name, an important link to a DNA match that I haven't been able to
obtain otherwise.  The obituary is on a website for a company that calls
itself "[X] Media Group" (the "X" is replacing its actual name).  The obit
came up when Googling the man's mother's married name, and appears on a page
that has the following inscription at top:  "Obituaries & Guestbooks
Provided by Funeral Directors & Families from the Grand Rapids Press."  X
Media Group, on its About Us page states it is "an audience-first venture
encompassing content, sales, and marketing professionals that care deeply
about digital marketing."  Which Master Source template should I use?  The
obituary is not issued by the publisher, if "issued" is the same as
published on the website in question, correct?  The templates which include
"issued by unrelated content provider" would seem to be the correct ones,
but they all include the categorization "online image."  Is there a
difference between an "online image" and a transcription of the obituary?
Is the former an actual digital image of the obituary as it appeared in the
newspaper?  If so, is it appropriate to use this template since the obituary
is a transcription?

 

Finally, why is there a separate category for some of the templates that
includes "periodicals" in front of the rest of the descriptors, e.g.
"Newspapers>online archives>issued by the publisher" vs.
"Periodicals>Newspapers>online archives>issued by the publisher"; what's the
difference between the two?

 

Thanks,

 

Barton

 

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