Re: [LegacyUG] Documents, documents, documents

2010-09-02 Thread Chris CG
Dave,

Thanks for the reply.

I have searched through that list but haven't located ANY entries
making reference to Legacy Family Tree software.  Am I doing something
wrong in the search window?

Chris


On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:47 PM, David Hook daveh...@rogers.com wrote:
 Chris:

 For help on managing documentation, I recommend the 
 Record-Keeping-Methodology mailing list.  Details on how to subscribe are 
 here:

 http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Genealogical_Computing/RECORD-KEEPING-METHODOLOGY.html


 Dave






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Re: [LegacyUG] Documents, documents, documents

2010-09-02 Thread Kathy Meyer
I think Dave thought you were talking about organizing your records in
general; i.e., in your filing cabinets, on your hard drive, etc.  Perhaps
you were really asking where these documents should be attached in your
Legacy file?  i.e., should you attach a census doc as an event or as a
source?  I'm just guessing but that's what I thought when I saw him send
that link.

I'm interested in all of the above; I need to get busy attaching docs etc.
I have held off because I need to organize my hard drive before attaching
everything in Legacy (due to the other recent discussion about what happens
when you have to restore your legacy file including multimedia - the path
has to be the same for the multimedia so I need to get my files organized on
my HD and backed up specifically for that purpose before attaching)

So maybe you can be a tad more specific about your question?  You will get
your answer eventually :-) Kathy

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Chris CG 914ch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dave,

 Thanks for the reply.

 I have searched through that list but haven't located ANY entries
 making reference to Legacy Family Tree software.  Am I doing something
 wrong in the search window?

 Chris


 On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:47 PM, David Hook daveh...@rogers.com wrote:
  Chris:
 
  For help on managing documentation, I recommend the
 Record-Keeping-Methodology mailing list.  Details on how to subscribe are
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 http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Genealogical_Computing/RECORD-KEEPING-METHODOLOGY.html
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Documents, documents, documents

2010-09-02 Thread Chris CG
Maybe this will clarify my original question:

When I have a new document, photo, newspaper obituary, or anything
else I find that might relate to my family, I first enter and
transcribe it into ByGones and/or Clooz and then cut/paste relevant
information into Legacy to create a master source which will be
assigned to people in my Legacy database.

My main purpose for using the additional programs is to record and
track things that point to people I can't identify - witnesses to
events, individuals or families with the same last name and in the
same geographical area as known ancestors, or other snippets of
information.  As I keep entering information from more and more
sources, some of those unidentified people start to appear more than
once and previously unknown relationships and patterns emerge.  This
in turn leads to some Voila! moments including brick-wall
breakthroughs.  Things like so that's who grandpa used to talk about
or Gerry and Jeremiah are actually the same person or I need to
find out more about so-and-so who has been present at these four
family weddings.

What I want to do now is move all of this research and analysis into
Legacy to take advantage of all the additional information recorded
there, and discontinue the duplication of efforts required to maintain
the additional databases.  I am hoping to get some guidance, ideas and
practical advice from others who are already better at this than I am.
 Since everyone using Legacy has to manage this same kind of
information and documentation, I am frustrated that the Legacy help
resources I have searched through don't address this aspect of using
Legacy.

Chris


On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Kathy Meyer kmeyer2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think Dave thought you were talking about organizing your records in
 general; i.e., in your filing cabinets, on your hard drive, etc.  Perhaps
 you were really asking where these documents should be attached in your
 Legacy file?  i.e., should you attach a census doc as an event or as a
 source?  I'm just guessing but that's what I thought when I saw him send
 that link.

 I'm interested in all of the above; I need to get busy attaching docs etc.
 I have held off because I need to organize my hard drive before attaching
 everything in Legacy (due to the other recent discussion about what happens
 when you have to restore your legacy file including multimedia - the path
 has to be the same for the multimedia so I need to get my files organized on
 my HD and backed up specifically for that purpose before attaching)

 So maybe you can be a tad more specific about your question?  You will get
 your answer eventually :-) Kathy

 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Chris CG 914ch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dave,

 Thanks for the reply.

 I have searched through that list but haven't located ANY entries
 making reference to Legacy Family Tree software.  Am I doing something
 wrong in the search window?

 Chris


 On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:47 PM, David Hook daveh...@rogers.com wrote:
  Chris:
 
  For help on managing documentation, I recommend the
  Record-Keeping-Methodology mailing list.  Details on how to subscribe are
  here:
 
 
  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Genealogical_Computing/RECORD-KEEPING-METHODOLOGY.html
 
 
  Dave
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Documents, documents, documents

2010-09-02 Thread Connie Sheets
Chris,

I briefly played with Clooz and Bygones many years ago, and wrote them off as 
clunky and unnecessary duplication of effort.  But I didn't use them long 
enough to know their full capability, so it may be you are used to some 
functions that just can't be duplicated in Legacy.  If so, be sure to check out 
some of the Legacy add-on programs that are available.  [I also still rely on 
paper files and my memory for many of those a-ha moments].

That disclaimer stated, here are some things I do that may be somewhat 
responsive to your question:

Legacy allows you to enter unconnected individuals and families in your 
database.  So, for my Hancock mystery in Southern Illinois, I have all kinds of 
Hancock individuals and family groups in my database that are not linked to my 
Hancock ancestor.  If I ever find proof they are related, all I need to do is 
link them to my ancestor.

The Events function in Legacy is powerful.  What I do, instead of entering 
those documents, obituaries, etc. into ByGones/Clooz, is enter the data from 
them directly into Legacy, usually as an event, transcribe them if necessary, 
construct the Source Citation, and attach a scan of the document itself.  If 
the document mentions multiple individuals, I copy the Event using the Event 
Clipboard, and with a couple of clicks can add the same info to the other 
individuals in the database. 

Once the data is entered, the Legacy search functions are also powerful:  play 
around with that function, and the Help files and Tutorials for it, and see if 
it won't meet many of your needs.  For example, you could create a report for 
all individuals in XYZ County with the first name Gerry, and another for the 
first name Jeremiah, and then be able to see if you have duplicate 
individuals.  Or, you could search for all people born in Illinois between 1850 
and 1890 with the surname Hancock.

If Events doesn't quite fit the info I have, I will use the General Notes or 
Research Notes screens to jot down information that might be relevant.  For 
example, if I have a Gerry Brown and a Jeremiah Brown and I'm not sure yet if 
they are the same person, I'll make a notation to that effect in the Research 
Notes for each individual, i.e. Is this the same person as Jeremiah Brown, RIN 
7644? and Is this the same person as Gerry Brown, RIN 2455?

Am I getting closer to being responsive to your question?

Connie


--- On Thu, 9/2/10, Chris CG 914ch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe this will clarify my original
 question:

 When I have a new document, photo, newspaper obituary, or
 anything
 else I find that might relate to my family, I first enter
 and
 transcribe it into ByGones and/or Clooz and then cut/paste
 relevant
 information into Legacy to create a master source which
 will be
 assigned to people in my Legacy database.

 My main purpose for using the additional programs is to
 record and
 track things that point to people I can't identify -
 witnesses to
 events, individuals or families with the same last name and
 in the
 same geographical area as known ancestors, or other
 snippets of
 information.  As I keep entering information from more
 and more
 sources, some of those unidentified people start to appear
 more than
 once and previously unknown relationships and patterns
 emerge.  This
 in turn leads to some Voila! moments including
 brick-wall
 breakthroughs.  Things like so that's who grandpa
 used to talk about
 or Gerry and Jeremiah are actually the same person or I
 need to
 find out more about so-and-so who has been present at these
 four
 family weddings.

 What I want to do now is move all of this research and
 analysis into
 Legacy to take advantage of all the additional information
 recorded
 there, and discontinue the duplication of efforts required
 to maintain
 the additional databases.  I am hoping to get some
 guidance, ideas and
 practical advice from others who are already better at this
 than I am.
  Since everyone using Legacy has to manage this same kind
 of
 information and documentation, I am frustrated that the
 Legacy help
 resources I have searched through don't address this aspect
 of using
 Legacy.









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RE: [LegacyUG] Documents, documents, documents

2010-09-02 Thread Geoff Rasmussen
In our Legacy News, we have published 5 articles about different organizational 
systems that work well with Legacy. See 
http://legacynews.typepad.com/legacy_news/organization/. Hope this helps some.

Thanks,

Geoff Rasmussen
Millennia Corporation
ge...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


-Original Message-
From: Chris CG [mailto:914ch...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:08 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Documents, documents, documents

I have been procrastinating for as long as possible, but it's time to
get started with my fall/winter project - reviewing and (re)organizing
several years' accumulation of various source documents, vital
records, etc.  I know that there are many details that I originally
overlooked - clues or connections that I didn't recognize the first
time around.  I have been using ByGones and Clooz in addition to
Legacy, but the PITA factor is too great and I want to consolidate and
convert everything into Legacy.  Having bits and pieces in different
places just doesn't work anymore.

I've looked through the Legacy mini-tutorials, legacyusergroup (this
list) archives and the LegacyFamilyTree website but can't find
tutorials or best practices for managing all of the documentation
that goes along with family history research.  Since this is such a
big part doing genealogy, I'm sure that there is a lot of
information about it but I guess I am not looking in the right places.
 Where does one go for guidelines and help?





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RE: [LegacyUG] Documents, documents, documents

2010-09-02 Thread Kirsten Bowman
Chris:

Presumably these are digital items you're talking about rather than hardcopies. 
 If so, I have a totally low-tech way of handling them that works very well for 
my database of roughly 10,000--including a limited one-name study.  I dislike 
having unattached individuals in my database, so their records go into Stray 
folders under MyDocuments.  These are organized by surname and some are grouped 
into subfolders by given name or geographical area.  Periodically I go through 
the stray folders to see if anything clicks or if I can find new information 
about an individual.  Most of my strays are in their own designated folders, 
which also includes a Word document where I copy/paste discussions with others 
about this person or add notes about where (s)he might belong, where I've 
already checked, etc.  When a connection is finally made it's easy to transfer 
the pertinent information into Legacy.

Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: Chris CG [mailto:914ch...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:26 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Documents, documents, documents


Maybe this will clarify my original question:

When I have a new document, photo, newspaper obituary, or anything
else I find that might relate to my family, I first enter and
transcribe it into ByGones and/or Clooz and then cut/paste relevant
information into Legacy to create a master source which will be
assigned to people in my Legacy database.

My main purpose for using the additional programs is to record and
track things that point to people I can't identify - witnesses to
events, individuals or families with the same last name and in the
same geographical area as known ancestors, or other snippets of
information.  As I keep entering information from more and more
sources, some of those unidentified people start to appear more than
once and previously unknown relationships and patterns emerge.  This
in turn leads to some Voila! moments including brick-wall
breakthroughs.  Things like so that's who grandpa used to talk about
or Gerry and Jeremiah are actually the same person or I need to
find out more about so-and-so who has been present at these four
family weddings.

What I want to do now is move all of this research and analysis into
Legacy to take advantage of all the additional information recorded
there, and discontinue the duplication of efforts required to maintain
the additional databases.  I am hoping to get some guidance, ideas and
practical advice from others who are already better at this than I am.
 Since everyone using Legacy has to manage this same kind of
information and documentation, I am frustrated that the Legacy help
resources I have searched through don't address this aspect of using
Legacy.

Chris





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Re: [LegacyUG] Documents, documents, documents

2010-09-02 Thread Ron Ferguson
Kirsten,

I tried that myself for a couple of years or so, but you must be a better
person than I, as it became a massive parking lot for unsolved links! I
found that I just never got round to looking in it. If it works for you,
then great, as you know I am a great beliver in each to their own.

My salvation arrived, at least for my primary surname when I started my
One-Name database, which originally started with all the oddments which I
had not looked at for years. I found it to be an operation which is
excellent for forcing me to do something with them. Guess I must enjoy
pressure!

Ron Ferguson
_

*New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth
http://www.fergys.co.uk
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
And the Fergusons of N.W. England



Kirsten Bowman wrote:
 Chris:

 Presumably these are digital items you're talking about rather than
 hardcopies.  If so, I have a totally low-tech way of handling them
 that works very well for my database of roughly 10,000--including a
 limited one-name study.  I dislike having unattached individuals in
 my database, so their records go into Stray folders under
 MyDocuments.  These are organized by surname and some are grouped
 into subfolders by given name or geographical area.  Periodically I
 go through the stray folders to see if anything clicks or if I can
 find new information about an individual.  Most of my strays are in
 their own designated folders, which also includes a Word document
 where I copy/paste discussions with others about this person or add
 notes about where (s)he might belong, where I've already checked,
 etc.  When a connection is finally made it's easy to transfer the
 pertinent information into Legacy.

 Kirsten

 -Original Message-
 From: Chris CG [mailto:914ch...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:26 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Documents, documents, documents


 Maybe this will clarify my original question:

 When I have a new document, photo, newspaper obituary, or anything
 else I find that might relate to my family, I first enter and
 transcribe it into ByGones and/or Clooz and then cut/paste relevant
 information into Legacy to create a master source which will be
 assigned to people in my Legacy database.

 My main purpose for using the additional programs is to record and
 track things that point to people I can't identify - witnesses to
 events, individuals or families with the same last name and in the
 same geographical area as known ancestors, or other snippets of
 information.  As I keep entering information from more and more
 sources, some of those unidentified people start to appear more than
 once and previously unknown relationships and patterns emerge.  This
 in turn leads to some Voila! moments including brick-wall
 breakthroughs.  Things like so that's who grandpa used to talk about
 or Gerry and Jeremiah are actually the same person or I need to
 find out more about so-and-so who has been present at these four
 family weddings.

 What I want to do now is move all of this research and analysis into
 Legacy to take advantage of all the additional information recorded
 there, and discontinue the duplication of efforts required to maintain
 the additional databases.  I am hoping to get some guidance, ideas and
 practical advice from others who are already better at this than I am.
  Since everyone using Legacy has to manage this same kind of
 information and documentation, I am frustrated that the Legacy help
 resources I have searched through don't address this aspect of using
 Legacy.

 Chris





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Re: [LegacyUG] Documents, documents, documents

2010-09-02 Thread Chris CG
For me, it will be extremely valuable to run reports/queries, so a
database type of storage would seem to be more appropriate.  I have
been thinking about using a system similar to what Connie describes,
but am concerned about having perhaps one to two hundred unlinked
individuals, many small family trees, master sources not linked to
events (maybe not even linked to individuals), etc.  Like so many
other things in genealogy, it seems that there is no standardized
structure even within Legacy - of course the program's flexibility to
do things your own way is a good thing!  The problem is, when I
attempt to do/learn something by trial and error until it works I
usually end up with a system or method that isn't very good in the
long run.  Either I unintentionally overlook important details or I
fail to anticipate future needs or upcoming changes.



On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
 Kirsten,

 I tried that myself for a couple of years or so, but you must be a better
 person than I, as it became a massive parking lot for unsolved links! I
 found that I just never got round to looking in it. If it works for you,
 then great, as you know I am a great beliver in each to their own.

 My salvation arrived, at least for my primary surname when I started my
 One-Name database, which originally started with all the oddments which I
 had not looked at for years. I found it to be an operation which is
 excellent for forcing me to do something with them. Guess I must enjoy
 pressure!

 Ron Ferguson
 _

 *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth
 http://www.fergys.co.uk
 Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
 And the Fergusons of N.W. England
 


 Kirsten Bowman wrote:
 Chris:

 Presumably these are digital items you're talking about rather than
 hardcopies.  If so, I have a totally low-tech way of handling them
 that works very well for my database of roughly 10,000--including a
 limited one-name study.  I dislike having unattached individuals in
 my database, so their records go into Stray folders under
 MyDocuments.  These are organized by surname and some are grouped
 into subfolders by given name or geographical area.  Periodically I
 go through the stray folders to see if anything clicks or if I can
 find new information about an individual.  Most of my strays are in
 their own designated folders, which also includes a Word document
 where I copy/paste discussions with others about this person or add
 notes about where (s)he might belong, where I've already checked,
 etc.  When a connection is finally made it's easy to transfer the
 pertinent information into Legacy.

 Kirsten

 -Original Message-
 From: Chris CG [mailto:914ch...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:26 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Documents, documents, documents


 Maybe this will clarify my original question:

 When I have a new document, photo, newspaper obituary, or anything
 else I find that might relate to my family, I first enter and
 transcribe it into ByGones and/or Clooz and then cut/paste relevant
 information into Legacy to create a master source which will be
 assigned to people in my Legacy database.

 My main purpose for using the additional programs is to record and
 track things that point to people I can't identify - witnesses to
 events, individuals or families with the same last name and in the
 same geographical area as known ancestors, or other snippets of
 information.  As I keep entering information from more and more
 sources, some of those unidentified people start to appear more than
 once and previously unknown relationships and patterns emerge.  This
 in turn leads to some Voila! moments including brick-wall
 breakthroughs.  Things like so that's who grandpa used to talk about
 or Gerry and Jeremiah are actually the same person or I need to
 find out more about so-and-so who has been present at these four
 family weddings.

 What I want to do now is move all of this research and analysis into
 Legacy to take advantage of all the additional information recorded
 there, and discontinue the duplication of efforts required to maintain
 the additional databases.  I am hoping to get some guidance, ideas and
 practical advice from others who are already better at this than I am.
  Since everyone using Legacy has to manage this same kind of
 information and documentation, I am frustrated that the Legacy help
 resources I have searched through don't address this aspect of using
 Legacy.

 Chris





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RE: [LegacyUG] Documents, documents, documents

2010-09-02 Thread Kirsten Bowman
Ron:

Yours sounds like a good method too.  Is your one-name database included with 
your main database or is it a separate file?

I'm prompted to look at my stray files regularly because there are several 
people working on the same line so I get frequent messages like, Here's what I 
found on . . . or What do you have on . . .  That keeps the strays from 
getting stale.  Our research area is also limited to Ontario, Canada, 
1783-1880, so that keeps the stray list down to a very manageable 
size--although we do have about 2,000 individuals connected to the main tree.

Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:50 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Documents, documents, documents


Kirsten,

I tried that myself for a couple of years or so, but you must be a better
person than I, as it became a massive parking lot for unsolved links! I
found that I just never got round to looking in it. If it works for you,
then great, as you know I am a great beliver in each to their own.

My salvation arrived, at least for my primary surname when I started my
One-Name database, which originally started with all the oddments which I
had not looked at for years. I found it to be an operation which is
excellent for forcing me to do something with them. Guess I must enjoy
pressure!

Ron Ferguson
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*New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth
http://www.fergys.co.uk
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
And the Fergusons of N.W. England








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