RE: [LegacyUG] [Partly OT] What does this relationship mean?
Sherry, You're right we should keep it low. But as you know me, I have my problems staying low ;-). As far as I remember from this list it could mean the daughter is adopted or the daughter of the married wife. Bernhard From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:35 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] [Partly OT] What does this relationship mean? Could be 17 and not 7. But please let's keep the discussion to how would you enter this discrepancy in Legacy. Thanks! Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Sally M macia...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting to see what possibilities list members come up with. I would suspect error on part of census taker--misunderstood the age, miswrote it--or the entry was misread in the transcription to digital version. On Sep 25, 2011 11:27 PM, Tony Rolfe geneal...@gillandtony.com wrote: A two-part question, if I may. I have discovered a ancestors in the 1861 UK Census. A working-class family in Newcastle. Head, wife, daughter-in-law and grandson. All fairly normal, except that the daughter-in-law is 7 years old, unmarried and has a completely different surname from the other three. Question 1. How can this be? Question 2. How do I record it in Legacy? Any help would be appreciated Tyhanks Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] [Partly OT] What does this relationship mean?
It might be adopted/step situation mismarked. Find other census years or BMD records to support whatever conclusion you can prove. Rich in LA CA From: Tony Rolfe geneal...@gillandtony.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:26 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] [Partly OT] What does this relationship mean? A two-part question, if I may. I have discovered a ancestors in the 1861 UK Census. A working-class family in Newcastle. Head, wife, daughter-in-law and grandson. All fairly normal, except that the daughter-in-law is 7 years old, unmarried and has a completely different surname from the other three. Question 1. How can this be? Question 2. How do I record it in Legacy? Any help would be appreciated Tyhanks Tony === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.27, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18380) http://www.pctools.com/ === Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] [Partly OT] What does this relationship mean?
On 2011/09/26 07:26, Tony Rolfe wrote: I have discovered a ancestors in the 1861 UK Census. A working-class family in Newcastle. Head, wife, daughter-in-law and grandson. All fairly normal, except that the daughter-in-law is 7 years old, unmarried and has a completely different surname from the other three. Question 1. How can this be? It can't be a dau-in-law in the modern sense! Sounds more like a step-daughter. Question 2. How do I record it in Legacy? Ignore this for now. Have *you* seen the 1861 image? Has it been transcribed properly? -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] [Partly OT] What does this relationship mean?
Tony, Mike is almost certainly correct, in-law, step, grandchild, and nephew/niece were often used in a different sense to that which we know today, and there was no consistency - so please don't ask :-). You may find in later censuses that the actual relationship is clarified, or you will need to get the birth certificate or view the parish register in order to find out. I normally put a comment in the notes for the child when I come across something like this, and raise a ToDo as a reminder to do something about it. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Mike Fry Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 8:33 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] [Partly OT] What does this relationship mean? On 2011/09/26 07:26, Tony Rolfe wrote: I have discovered a ancestors in the 1861 UK Census. A working-class family in Newcastle. Head, wife, daughter-in-law and grandson. All fairly normal, except that the daughter-in-law is 7 years old, unmarried and has a completely different surname from the other three. Question 1. How can this be? It can't be a dau-in-law in the modern sense! Sounds more like a step-daughter. Question 2. How do I record it in Legacy? Ignore this for now. Have *you* seen the 1861 image? Has it been transcribed properly? -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] [Partly OT] What does this relationship mean?
On 26/09/2011 06:26, Tony Rolfe wrote: A two-part question, if I may. I have discovered a ancestors in the 1861 UK Census. A working-class family in Newcastle. Head, wife, daughter-in-law and grandson. All fairly normal, except that the daughter-in-law is 7 years old, unmarried and has a completely different surname from the other three. Question 1. How can this be? In those days it was quite usual for a step-child to be referred to as an in-law, so the child concerned would be the daughter of the wife and step-daughter of the husband. Question 2. How do I record it in Legacy? Record it exactly as given in the record, but add an explanatory comment if you wish. You also know now to look for a possible previous marriage for the wife, or for the birth of the child under the wife's maiden name. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] [Partly OT] What does this relationship mean?
Interesting to see what possibilities list members come up with. I would suspect error on part of census taker--misunderstood the age, miswrote it--or the entry was misread in the transcription to digital version. On Sep 25, 2011 11:27 PM, Tony Rolfe geneal...@gillandtony.com wrote: A two-part question, if I may. I have discovered a ancestors in the 1861 UK Census. A working-class family in Newcastle. Head, wife, daughter-in-law and grandson. All fairly normal, except that the daughter-in-law is 7 years old, unmarried and has a completely different surname from the other three. Question 1. How can this be? Question 2. How do I record it in Legacy? Any help would be appreciated Tyhanks Tony === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.27, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18380) http://www.pctools.com/ === Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] [Partly OT] What does this relationship mean?
Could be 17 and not 7. But please let's keep the discussion to how would you enter this discrepancy in Legacy. Thanks! Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Sally M macia...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting to see what possibilities list members come up with. I would suspect error on part of census taker--misunderstood the age, miswrote it--or the entry was misread in the transcription to digital version. On Sep 25, 2011 11:27 PM, Tony Rolfe geneal...@gillandtony.com wrote: A two-part question, if I may. I have discovered a ancestors in the 1861 UK Census. A working-class family in Newcastle. Head, wife, daughter-in-law and grandson. All fairly normal, except that the daughter-in-law is 7 years old, unmarried and has a completely different surname from the other three. Question 1. How can this be? Question 2. How do I record it in Legacy? Any help would be appreciated Tyhanks Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] [Partly OT] What does this relationship mean?
I would check the 1851 1871 censuses to see if you can elicit further info. Does the supposed daughter-in-law have the same surname as the grandson? Could she be a granddaughter? The census info is frequently inaccurate, but can be a useful pointer where it is inconsistent, as here. I have a similar problem in 1871 with a 60-year-old son and his 71-year old mother. One of these is clearly wrong, probably the mother as I have the son's baptism in 1810, but I have just entered the census info as it is 1871 Census, RG10; Piece: 2664; Folio: 21; Page: 35 2 Fairview St, Cheltenham, Glos Ephraim Spering, head, mar, 60, Fly Driver, b Burford, Oxfordshire Louisa Jane Spering, wife, 40, b Bath, Somerset Mary C Spering, mother, widow, 71, Servant General, b Bridgewater, Somerset Mary A Davis, Lodger, unm, 70, Servant General, b Cheltenham, Glos Happy hunting! Joan On 26/09/2011 18:35, Sherry/Support wrote: Could be 17 and not 7. But please let's keep the discussion to how would you enter this discrepancy in Legacy. Thanks! Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Sally M macia...@gmail.com mailto:macia...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting to see what possibilities list members come up with. I would suspect error on part of census taker--misunderstood the age, miswrote it--or the entry was misread in the transcription to digital version. On Sep 25, 2011 11:27 PM, Tony Rolfe geneal...@gillandtony.com mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com wrote: A two-part question, if I may. I have discovered a ancestors in the 1861 UK Census. A working-class family in Newcastle. Head, wife, daughter-in-law and grandson. All fairly normal, except that the daughter-in-law is 7 years old, unmarried and has a completely different surname from the other three. Question 1. How can this be? Question 2. How do I record it in Legacy? Any help would be appreciated Tyhanks Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] [Partly OT] What does this relationship mean?
On 2011/09/26 19:27, Sally M wrote: Interesting to see what possibilities list members come up with. I would suspect error on part of census taker--misunderstood the age, miswrote it--or the entry was misread in the transcription to digital version. Possibly, but I would still go along with the mid-19th century (and earlier) interpretation of what a dau-in-law was. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
