Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Picked up most of this thead this AM. Glad to see healthy dialogue. A couple of return thoughts. 1. The primary reason I ask about citations is because my intent is to publish my file--likely only to the web, but given that the information will be accessible to others, I'm trying to meet a standard higher than simply recording where I got the information from. 2. RE: Mills and Facebook, she doesn't call out Facebook specifically with a citation, but it is included in the book, in §2.33 Core Elements to Cite (Online Materials): Online sources are publications with the same core elements as print publications. This rule applies ... [when] we are using a social-networking site such as Facebook, MySpace, or LinkedIn. ... If the website offers multiple items by different creators (as with the social networking sites), it is the equivalent of a book with chapters by different authors. That calls for citations of ... additional items. The items mention include citing the title of the personal page and, when necessary, the item's creator. Thus, the challenge with Facebook is that using the generic source makes it appear that, in my example, Barack Obama is the author or creator of the website. He, of course, isn't. He is the author of a page within the website. If we treat this like a book with multiple chapters then we should source both, but I see no Legacy template that does this. Internet E-journals and e-magazines might provide the best solution: First citation: Barack Obama, Barack Obama, *Facebook* (http://www.facebook.com : accessed 9 Jun 2010) Source list: *Facebook*. http://www.facebook.com. You have to ignore some of the fields, but you get the citations above, which aren't too far off from what I think they should be. The Source List doesn't include the page, just the website, which after thought might be better anyway. It certainly means less Master Sources, as there is now only one for all of Facebook (the rest is at the detail level). It also seems to be better in that the bibliography only lists the book (that is, the website), not the chapter (the actual page). Scott On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Connie, I never took what you said as a criticism, and even if I had, I can take it (I was in public life for a few years!). Neither have I any problem with people discussing, or promoting the use of, Mrs Mills and her sourcing systems. In my previous post I said: There is no standard wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear, accurate, concise and reproducable by others. Below is the output from one of the templates I use (taken from my website - I have removed the html styling): Free BMD, BMD Indexes Database (N.p.: n.p., n.d.), volume 20, page 182, Dec quarter 1840, Barton and Chorlton district; citing the General Register Office's England and Wales Civil Registration Indexes. Repository: Free BMD, England, [I insert the URL here] Cit. Date: 10 Feb 2009. Comparing this with what *I* require, it is accurate, reproducable (ie. others can find it), not quite concise and certainly not clear. Unless one is familiar with Evidence explained how would one know what (N.p.: n.p., n.d.), means? I don't need to enter these fields, ever, because it is attached to an Event with these details in it. Please don't post to tell me how to improve it, since that is my intention, but I haven't got round to it as yet, and I don't use this template now. Actually, compared with some of my other sources this one is pretty verbose, usually I have less detail, just the basics. Anyhow that is why I do not get involved in the details of sourcing. To be honest, I probably prefer the old style sourcing but now have too many using Source writer to consider reverting back. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Connie Sheets wrote: Ron, I have no problem whatsoever with your approach; nothing I ever post should be interpreted as a criticism of you or your approach. It's just not for me in all circumstances. One of the things I love about Legacy is its versatility and ability to meet the desires and needs of both lumpers and splitters and those of us who think we are moderate on the issue. Although I'm not an expert by any means, I do try to share what I have learned from Mrs. Mills and other US teachers about source citation practices, for those who may wish to pursue that avenue. Connie Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Connie, I do not recognise the word correct in this context. There is no standard wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear, accurate, concise and reproducable by others. Which is why, although a
RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
The reference to social networking sites such as Facebook, MySpace or LinkedIn was added in the 2nd Edition, as part of the discussion in Sec. 2.33, p. 57, and where she goes on to show that the citation requires additional items (same page) she has inserted personal page in the list of titles. Bill -Original Message- From: Linda McCauley [mailto:lindafmccau...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:02 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source Connie, Could you give me the page # in EE regarding Facebook. I wasn't able to find any mention of FB in the index of my copy of the book. Thanks, Linda M. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Scott Hall wrote: Anyone have a citation they can provide for information obtained from Facebook? What Source Template do you use? What does your citation look like? Thanks, Scott Scott, InternetwebsiteGeneric Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Ron: Thanks. One problem I see with that is where do you reference the specific page you were on? The generic internet template only includes source information for the website as a whole. There isn't really anyplace to properly source the page used. I've tried to use the Database template, but I can't seem to permanently clear the Format field, which is not needed. Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by *)? Barack Obama, Barack Obama, *Facebook* (http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : accessed 8 June 2010) Obama, Barack. Barack Obama *Facebook*. http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : 2010 Thanks, Scott On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Scott Hall wrote: Anyone have a citation they can provide for information obtained from Facebook? What Source Template do you use? What does your citation look like? Thanks, Scott Scott, InternetwebsiteGeneric Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Scott, There are fields there for Website Creator and Website Title. Have you looked at the Source Detail? I haven't a clue as to what it *should* look like and frankly I don't even know what that means! Nor do I know what is meant by I can't seem to permanently clear the Format field, which is not needed. On the right hand side of the data entry box is shown the output. Just fill in the data in such a way as it gives you the result you require. It doesn't matter what the field name says, in my view. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Scott Hall wrote: Ron: Thanks. One problem I see with that is where do you reference the specific page you were on? The generic internet template only includes source information for the website as a whole. There isn't really anyplace to properly source the page used. I've tried to use the Database template, but I can't seem to permanently clear the Format field, which is not needed. Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by *)? Barack Obama, Barack Obama, *Facebook* (http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : accessed 8 June 2010) Obama, Barack. Barack Obama *Facebook*. http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : 2010 Thanks, Scott On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Scott Hall wrote: Anyone have a citation they can provide for information obtained from Facebook? What Source Template do you use? What does your citation look like? Thanks, Scott Scott, InternetwebsiteGeneric Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Scott, Ron's suggestion will provide you with exactly the citation format you are seeking, however, you will need to have a separate master source for Barack Obama's page, another for Sarah Palin's page, etc. That doesn't bother me one bit (well, writing those two names in the same sentence does, but I digress), and is the method I use for websites like Ancestry.com or FamilySearchLabs (to which I consider Facebook analogous in that they are humongous sites with vast amounts of data that require splitting into smaller parts for purposes of citation). However, some will consider it extreme splitting and therefore unacceptable. I consider the alternative extreme lumping and unacceptable. Your mileage may vary, in which case you could still use the template Ron suggested but put Barack Obama in the Item of Interest section of source detail. Connie Scott Hall seh0...@gmail.com wrote: Ron: Thanks. One problem I see with that is where do you reference the specific page you were on? The generic internet template only includes source information for the website as a whole. There isn't really anyplace to properly source the page used. I've tried to use the Database template, but I can't seem to permanently clear the Format field, which is not needed. Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by *)? Barack Obama, Barack Obama, *Facebook* (http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : accessed 8 June 2010) Obama, Barack. Barack Obama *Facebook*. http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : 2010 Thanks, Scott On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Scott Hall wrote: Anyone have a citation they can provide for information obtained from Facebook? What Source Template do you use? What does your citation look like? Thanks, Scott Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Ron, Scott means that Evidence Explained suggests the citation style he posted would be the correct format, and that if he uses the database template, he can't erase the word database from the citation output. Or so I interpret. Connie --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 8:37 PM Scott, There are fields there for Website Creator and Website Title. Have you looked at the Source Detail? I haven't a clue as to what it *should* look like and frankly I don't even know what that means! Nor do I know what is meant by I can't seem to permanently clear the Format field, which is not needed. On the right hand side of the data entry box is shown the output. Just fill in the data in such a way as it gives you the result you require. It doesn't matter what the field name says, in my view. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Connie Sheets wrote That doesn't bother me one bit (well, writing those two names in the same sentence does, but I digress), and is the method I use for websites like Ancestry.com or FamilySearchLabs (to which I consider Facebook analogous in that they are humongous sites with vast amounts of data that require splitting into smaller parts for purposes of citation). I don't use Facebook at all, but as far as I know it is quite *un*like Ancestry in that it does not supply a set of various different databases. I never use Ancestry as a Source - I use the particular database within Ancestry. Family Search Labs doesn't present its data in quite the same separated way, but again I use a separate Master Source for each set of data. I think that I am neither an extreme lumper nor an extreme splitter. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Taking Jenny's reasoning below a step further - I think I would source information from Facebook as personal knowledge of the person who posted it to their FB page and then note in the citation details that it was posted on their FB page. (Assuming here that it's information about that person or their family that they actually have personal knowledge of. If it's not something they would reasonably know then I wouldn't use it.) To me the person is the source, FB is just the vehicle they used to provide the information. Linda M. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: I don't use Facebook at all, but as far as I know it is quite *un*like Ancestry in that it does not supply a set of various different databases. I never use Ancestry as a Source - I use the particular database within Ancestry. Family Search Labs doesn't present its data in quite the same separated way, but again I use a separate Master Source for each set of data. I think that I am neither an extreme lumper nor an extreme splitter. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Linda, You are, of course, welcome to cite Facebook any way you want, but for those of us who prefer to follow current standards (which Mrs. Mills did not make up on her own by the way; her books are based upon the Chicago Manual of Style and earlier genealogical writers), the correct citation format is what Scott originally posted, to wit: Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by *)? Barack Obama, Barack Obama, *Facebook* (http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : accessed 8 June 2010) Obama, Barack. Barack Obama *Facebook*. http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : 2010 Depending upon the nature of the data that is being referenced, I might add a comment at the end of this citation that the information appears to be based upon Mr. Obama's personal recollection of the event (or whatever other comment would be appropriate). Connie --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Linda McCauley lindafmccau...@gmail.com wrote: From: Linda McCauley lindafmccau...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 10:02 PM Taking Jenny's reasoning below a step further - I think I would source information from Facebook as personal knowledge of the person who posted it to their FB page and then note in the citation details that it was posted on their FB page. (Assuming here that it's information about that person or their family that they actually have personal knowledge of. If it's not something they would reasonably know then I wouldn't use it.) To me the person is the source, FB is just the vehicle they used to provide the information. Linda M. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Connie, I do not recognise the word correct in this context. There is no standard wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear, accurate, concise and reproducable by others. Which is why, although a very strong advocate of sourcing, I do not get involved in the details of sourcing on this list especially when it comes down to dotting i'sand crossing t's - no interest at all I'm afraid! BTW. I would imagine that Facebook does store the records in a database, otherwise they would be pretty well inaccessible. BTW I am predominately a lumper (and fairly mega at that), but was trying to keep to the same format as Scott, as it was his question and not mine! Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw Connie Sheets wrote: Ron, Scott means that Evidence Explained suggests the citation style he posted would be the correct format, and that if he uses the database template, he can't erase the word database from the citation output. Or so I interpret. Connie --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 8:37 PM Scott, There are fields there for Website Creator and Website Title. Have you looked at the Source Detail? I haven't a clue as to what it *should* look like and frankly I don't even know what that means! Nor do I know what is meant by I can't seem to permanently clear the Format field, which is not needed. On the right hand side of the data entry box is shown the output. Just fill in the data in such a way as it gives you the result you require. It doesn't matter what the field name says, in my view. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Linda, I'm not sure Facebook existed when Evidence Explained was written. Facebook is a website, is it not? EE contains multiple examples of how to cite websites. They all generally follow the same pattern. Perhaps the closest example to Facebook would be her discussion of blogs on pp. 811-812. See also p. 49 for her discussion of personal knowledge, as well as the W section of the index which refers you to pp. 657 and 787-788 for website examples. I use her separate publication, a laminated 4 page Quicksheet Citing Online Historical Resources Evidence! Style most often for websites, as the information she discusses there is easier/quicker to access, and perhaps easier to understand. In that publication, under the Basic Principles section, it states: A website is the online equivalent of a book...websites that offer multiple items (databases, articles, etc.) are the online equivalent of books with independent chapters by different authors. I can't quote more without potentially violating her copyright, but I will say that it is clear she recommends treating such websites in the following manner for the first reference note: ITEM AUTHOR (if known) ITEM TITLE (in quotes) WEBSITE CREATOR OR OWNER (if known) WEBSITE TITLE (in italics) URL DATE DETAIL (if applicable) Compare this format to Scott's original example, or the example at the bottom of p. 812 of EE that begins with the name Leland Meitzler, and I think you will see why I said Scott's example was the correct way to cite it (although as I said in my previous post, I might add detail/comment at the end depending upon what specifically he is citing from Facebook). I realize there are red letters on the Legacy Internet template warning us it is generic and maybe we should use another template, but I think that often causes unnecessary confusion. There are frequent posts on this list asking what template to use to cite websites. My answer almost invariably is, cite them for what they are, a website. Just like we'd cite a book as a book. Hope this helps! Connie --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Linda McCauley lindafmccau...@gmail.com wrote: Connie, Could you give me the page # in EE regarding Facebook. I wasn't able to find any mention of FB in the index of my copy of the book. Thanks, Linda M. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Ron, I have no problem whatsoever with your approach; nothing I ever post should be interpreted as a criticism of you or your approach. It's just not for me in all circumstances. One of the things I love about Legacy is its versatility and ability to meet the desires and needs of both lumpers and splitters and those of us who think we are moderate on the issue. Although I'm not an expert by any means, I do try to share what I have learned from Mrs. Mills and other US teachers about source citation practices, for those who may wish to pursue that avenue. Connie Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Connie, I do not recognise the word correct in this context. There is no standard wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear, accurate, concise and reproducable by others. Which is why, although a very strong advocate of sourcing, I do not get involved in the details of sourcing on this list especially when it comes down to dotting i'sand crossing t's - no interest at all I'm afraid! BTW. I would imagine that Facebook does store the records in a database, otherwise they would be pretty well inaccessible. BTW I am predominately a lumper (and fairly mega at that), but was trying to keep to the same format as Scott, as it was his question and not mine! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
Connie, I never took what you said as a criticism, and even if I had, I can take it (I was in public life for a few years!). Neither have I any problem with people discussing, or promoting the use of, Mrs Mills and her sourcing systems. In my previous post I said: There is no standard wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear, accurate, concise and reproducable by others. Below is the output from one of the templates I use (taken from my website - I have removed the html styling): Free BMD, BMD Indexes Database (N.p.: n.p., n.d.), volume 20, page 182, Dec quarter 1840, Barton and Chorlton district; citing the General Register Office's England and Wales Civil Registration Indexes. Repository: Free BMD, England, [I insert the URL here] Cit. Date: 10 Feb 2009. Comparing this with what *I* require, it is accurate, reproducable (ie. others can find it), not quite concise and certainly not clear. Unless one is familiar with Evidence explained how would one know what (N.p.: n.p., n.d.), means? I don't need to enter these fields, ever, because it is attached to an Event with these details in it. Please don't post to tell me how to improve it, since that is my intention, but I haven't got round to it as yet, and I don't use this template now. Actually, compared with some of my other sources this one is pretty verbose, usually I have less detail, just the basics. Anyhow that is why I do not get involved in the details of sourcing. To be honest, I probably prefer the old style sourcing but now have too many using Source writer to consider reverting back. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Connie Sheets wrote: Ron, I have no problem whatsoever with your approach; nothing I ever post should be interpreted as a criticism of you or your approach. It's just not for me in all circumstances. One of the things I love about Legacy is its versatility and ability to meet the desires and needs of both lumpers and splitters and those of us who think we are moderate on the issue. Although I'm not an expert by any means, I do try to share what I have learned from Mrs. Mills and other US teachers about source citation practices, for those who may wish to pursue that avenue. Connie Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Connie, I do not recognise the word correct in this context. There is no standard wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear, accurate, concise and reproducable by others. Which is why, although a very strong advocate of sourcing, I do not get involved in the details of sourcing on this list especially when it comes down to dotting i'sand crossing t's - no interest at all I'm afraid! BTW. I would imagine that Facebook does store the records in a database, otherwise they would be pretty well inaccessible. BTW I am predominately a lumper (and fairly mega at that), but was trying to keep to the same format as Scott, as it was his question and not mine! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
