Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data
Hi, as far as I understand the community guideline the creation of a routable graph from the OSM data (only!) is regarded a trivial transformation that doesn't have to be published under the ODbL. I am wondering now what happens when you combine this graph with other (non open) data. One example is Skobbler: http://developer.skobbler.com/features#qualityMapData ///traffic data from millions of devices is being reintegrated into our navigation map and routing algorithm. This means that your next route will take the latest turn restrictions, traffic speed, speed cameras, and more into consideration./// some more information: http://stevecoast.com/2014/05/19/why-openstreetmap-is-now-navigation-ready-for-people-like-you/ Doesn't this mean that this data has to be published according to the ODbL? If not, why? Best regards Henning Am 07.01.2015 um 09:51 schrieb Karel Charvat: Thank you very much. I needed exactly somethink like this. -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Simon Poole si...@poole.ch Komu: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Datum: 7. 1. 2015 9:09:38 Předmět: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data Please see http://osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Community_Guidelines___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data
Thank you very much. I needed exactly somethink like this. -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Simon Poole si...@poole.ch Komu: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Datum: 7. 1. 2015 9:09:38 Předmět: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data Please see http://osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Community_Guidelines__ _ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk;___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data
Marketing != Reality It is just some marketing blurb to sell their product, trying to derive what they are really doing from it is just speculation. We -do- know that TeleNav has added lots of stuff to OSM directly (for example http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/28211) and/or are providing such data to the OSM community ScoutSigns, maproulette challenges etc. for use to improve OSM data. Which all is clearly unproblematic, not to say very good. Simon Am 07.01.2015 um 10:30 schrieb Henning Hollburg: Hi, as far as I understand the community guideline the creation of a routable graph from the OSM data (only!) is regarded a trivial transformation that doesn't have to be published under the ODbL. I am wondering now what happens when you combine this graph with other (non open) data. One example is Skobbler: http://developer.skobbler.com/features#qualityMapData ///traffic data from millions of devices is being reintegrated into our navigation map and routing algorithm. This means that your next route will take the latest turn restrictions, traffic speed, speed cameras, and more into consideration./// some more information: http://stevecoast.com/2014/05/19/why-openstreetmap-is-now-navigation-ready-for-people-like-you/ Doesn't this mean that this data has to be published according to the ODbL? If not, why? Best regards Henning Am 07.01.2015 um 09:51 schrieb Karel Charvat: Thank you very much. I needed exactly somethink like this. -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Simon Poole si...@poole.ch Komu: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Datum: 7. 1. 2015 9:09:38 Předmět: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data Please see http://osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Community_Guidelines___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data
Hi, On 07.01.2015 16:30, Henning Hollburg wrote: http://stevecoast.com/2014/05/19/why-openstreetmap-is-now-navigation-ready-for-people-like-you/ Doesn't this mean that this data has to be published according to the ODbL? If not, why? As having all those databases being released might be good for the people wanting the data, it brings no benefit to OSM. The purpose of ODbL is to keep data open. That's great. My opinion is: For OSM the thing most contributors favoring a share alike license model really want is a a clause which forces data consumers to grant a license to OSMF to incorporate modified/exended data back into OSM database. ODbL does not contain such a merge clause. We could start merging 3rd party ODbL into OSM. But then have a hard time to fulfill attribution requirements. And an even harder time to get rid of the data in case of another license change in the future. We need all contributors to agree to the contributor terms, granting a license to the OSMF to re-distribute the data. Maybe we can change the license one more time to an OSM-ODbL. Not only requiring to release data as ODbL but also granting OSMF the same rights as in contributor terms. Stephan ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data
On 1/7/2015 7:21 PM, Stephan Knauss wrote: We could start merging 3rd party ODbL into OSM We can do so right now from a legal perspective. In fact, there are imports of ODbL data that have taken place. But then have a hard time to fulfill attribution requirements. No - we'd attribute the same way we attribute other sources. And an even harder time to get rid of the data in case of another license change in the future. See http://osmfoundation.org/wiki/License#Can_third-party_ODbL-licenses_data_be_imported.3F. It works like any other imported data. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data
Hi Paul, On 08.01.2015 10:31, Paul Norman wrote: On 1/7/2015 7:21 PM, Stephan Knauss wrote: And an even harder time to get rid of the data in case of another license change in the future. See http://osmfoundation.org/wiki/License#Can_third-party_ODbL-licenses_data_be_imported.3F. It works like any other imported data. that's exactly the point. ODbL is not a suitable license for data being imported into OSM. Date being inserted under the contributor terms come with much more freedom to be used by OSMF (and the membership deciding about the open license used) with respect to the license chosen for distribution. So what happens is that a user enters data to OSM (with CT agreed), then data is distributed as ODbL by OSMF. Then extended by 3rd party. That extended data i now less free to use from an OSM point of view. For OSM it would be much more convenient when the license says You are allowed to use the OSM data, but when you change it you give OSM the right to merge back your changes if they want to. Probably we should adjust the license one more time before too much incompatible data is being imported. And I'm asking for stricter regulations considering imports. Data not compatible with future license changes must not be imported at all. Other mappers are building their changes on a weak foundation. Maybe time to open a new thread as we're moving away from the original point of satnav data being released to a generic discussion. Stephan ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
