Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF
Chris, Kate, Paul and Jaakko, Thanks about your comments. Here is few re-comments: This is Memorandum of Understanding, not an agreement. I think Wikipedia (again) explains carefully the differences between MoU and an agreement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorandum_of_understanding. This could be also Gentlemen's Agreement, maybe. NLSF's Open Data License is more free than OSM licenses (CC-BY-SA or ODBl): http://www.maanmittauslaitos.fi/en/NLS_open_data_licence_version1_20120501. Some Finnish OSMers has been worried about last item in sectin 2.2: remove the name of the Licensor from the product or service, if required to do so by the Licensor. and some has been worried about other things in the license. So, this is maybe more for OSMers (OpenStreetMap Foundation, community, contributors and other fellows) to clarify the situation. Signing of the MoU: I thought that this won't be officially signed document. Easier to NLSF, they just can send email. It will be impossible to get signature of OSMers for this MoU. Tying mapper hands: I don't understand this. How? If I (as OSMer) will make guidelines, all necessary mandations is done by all OSMers. Other mappers will follow guideline or not: this just normal procedure in OSM world, right? Dangerous precedent: I don't understand this. I think more and more government data will be open in the future. In some areas it is very valuable to OSMers to benefit those data sources. I hope this will also help other agencies to open their topographic datasets. Did I miss something? Requirements of MoU: I see only one requirement: preparing guideline. I will do that. Do you see other requirements in this MoU for OSMers? Contract: this is not contract, this is Memorandum of Understanding. There is big difference between those. This MoU is more for OSMers than NLSF. As Jaakko mention, this could be titles as License clarification. But this is not license clarification, because we didn't take any lines about licenses into this MoU. NLSF's license is more free than OSM licenses. So, we just need to attribute them in our wiki pages. And this MoU just clarifies that. I pick this title Memorandum of Understanding, because it's widely known term and make sense about spirit of the document. I'm open to change title of the document, if you have good one. Rgs, Pekka Pekka Sarkola pekka.sark...@gispo.fi www.gispo.fi -Original Message- From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] Sent: 3. heinäkuuta 2012 20:51 To: pekka.sark...@gispo.fi; Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF On 03/07/12 17:02, Pekka Sarkola wrote: Dear Friends, I have prepared with National Land Survey of Finland Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) about usage of their datasets by OpenStreetMap activists. Hare is current draft text for everybody to comment: Memorandum of Understanding This Memorandum of Understanding (hereinafter MoU) is between the National Land Survey of Finland (hereinafter NLSF) and OpenStreetMap contributors (hereinafter OSM). Background NLSF started to use a new Open Data License for their topographic information datasets (hereinafter Data) on 1st of May 2012. NLSFs Open Data License grants a worldwide, free of charge and irrevocable parallel right of use to open data. This MoU clarifies how Data can be used when OSM are collecting data to be part of OpenStreetMap database. Usage of NLSFs data NLSF data can be used at least two (2) ways by OSM: - As reference data: NLSF Data can be used as reference data. For example NLSFs raster maps or aerial photographs can used as source data when OSM databases are digitized, corrected, validated or in any other way. - As import source: NLSF Data can be imported to be an integral part of OpenStreetMap database. Attribution OSM will add NLSFs contribution to OpenStreetMap wiki pages as follows: Finland National Land Survey of Finland Contains data from National Land Survey of Finland Topographic Database and other sources, data extractions started on 05/2012. More specific data sources and data extraction dates are documented as part of data and in OSM wiki pages OSM are preparing guidelines for all OpenStreetMap data collectors on how to include necessary tag-information for the OpenStreetMap data features. Reasons to make this kind of MoU: - Common understanding among OSMers what can and what cannot do with NLSF datasets - Clarify OSMers goals for NLSF when using their datasets Some people may say that we don't even need this kind of MoU. IMHO: maybe it's better to have something than nothing. However, all comments are welcome! If the data is licensed in an open way, you don't need this agreement. You are tying mapper hands with this agreement and it is, IMO, completely unacceptable. Who will sign this on behalf of OSM? What authority would
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF
I'm open to change title of the document, if you have good one. MOU - A brief document to clarify the worries of some in the OSM community about the compatibility of the NLSF Open Data license with OSM ODbL license + OSM's CTs? :) Cheers, -J Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Pekka Sarkola pekka.sark...@gispo.fi Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 10:15:05 To: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.'legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Reply-To: pekka.sark...@gispo.fi, Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF Chris, Kate, Paul and Jaakko, Thanks about your comments. Here is few re-comments: This is Memorandum of Understanding, not an agreement. I think Wikipedia (again) explains carefully the differences between MoU and an agreement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorandum_of_understanding. This could be also Gentlemen's Agreement, maybe. NLSF's Open Data License is more free than OSM licenses (CC-BY-SA or ODBl): http://www.maanmittauslaitos.fi/en/NLS_open_data_licence_version1_20120501. Some Finnish OSMers has been worried about last item in sectin 2.2: remove the name of the Licensor from the product or service, if required to do so by the Licensor. and some has been worried about other things in the license. So, this is maybe more for OSMers (OpenStreetMap Foundation, community, contributors and other fellows) to clarify the situation. Signing of the MoU: I thought that this won't be officially signed document. Easier to NLSF, they just can send email. It will be impossible to get signature of OSMers for this MoU. Tying mapper hands: I don't understand this. How? If I (as OSMer) will make guidelines, all necessary mandations is done by all OSMers. Other mappers will follow guideline or not: this just normal procedure in OSM world, right? Dangerous precedent: I don't understand this. I think more and more government data will be open in the future. In some areas it is very valuable to OSMers to benefit those data sources. I hope this will also help other agencies to open their topographic datasets. Did I miss something? Requirements of MoU: I see only one requirement: preparing guideline. I will do that. Do you see other requirements in this MoU for OSMers? Contract: this is not contract, this is Memorandum of Understanding. There is big difference between those. This MoU is more for OSMers than NLSF. As Jaakko mention, this could be titles as License clarification. But this is not license clarification, because we didn't take any lines about licenses into this MoU. NLSF's license is more free than OSM licenses. So, we just need to attribute them in our wiki pages. And this MoU just clarifies that. I pick this title Memorandum of Understanding, because it's widely known term and make sense about spirit of the document. I'm open to change title of the document, if you have good one. Rgs, Pekka Pekka Sarkola – pekka.sark...@gispo.fi – www.gispo.fi -Original Message- From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] Sent: 3. heinäkuuta 2012 20:51 To: pekka.sark...@gispo.fi; Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF On 03/07/12 17:02, Pekka Sarkola wrote: Dear Friends, I have prepared with National Land Survey of Finland Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) about usage of their datasets by OpenStreetMap activists. Hare is current draft text for everybody to comment: Memorandum of Understanding This Memorandum of Understanding (hereinafter “MoU”) is between the National Land Survey of Finland (hereinafter NLSF) and OpenStreetMap contributors (hereinafter OSM). Background NLSF started to use a new Open Data License for their topographic information datasets (hereinafter Data) on 1st of May 2012. NLSF’s Open Data License grants a worldwide, free of charge and irrevocable parallel right of use to open data. This MoU clarifies how Data can be used when OSM are collecting data to be part of OpenStreetMap database. Usage of NLSF’s data NLSF data can be used at least two (2) ways by OSM: - As reference data: NLSF Data can be used as reference data. For example NLSF’s raster maps or aerial photographs can used as source data when OSM databases are digitized, corrected, validated or in any other way. - As import source: NLSF Data can be imported to be an integral part of OpenStreetMap database. Attribution OSM will add NLSF’s contribution to OpenStreetMap wiki pages as follows: Finland National Land Survey of Finland Contains data from National Land Survey of Finland Topographic Database and other sources, data extractions started on 05/2012. More specific data sources and data extraction dates are documented as part of data and in OSM wiki pages OSM are preparing guidelines
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF
I'm cautious about quoting Wikipedia especially about anything legal, but it rightly says a MoU is an agreement between two or more parties. An understanding is an agreement. One party is the National Land Survey of Finland, but who is the other party? OSM? What is that? How am I (or more particularly someone adding Finnish data to OSM) to react to this? Who is agreeing to this and how will they be bound to this agreement? If it is not an agreement then it is not an MoU. If the National Land Survey of Finland wants to clarify what their licence means, then they can do that without using an MoU, just issue a statement of clarification. If, however, that gives OSM some extra, special rights then that is a problem. What is to stop someone extracting such data and using it in some other Open dataset outside of OSM which has not received these extra rights? We say OSM data can be used for any purpose by anyone if they comply with CC BY-SA (and soon ODbL), yet any extra restrictions, such as special tags, negates this. The proposed MoU states: OSM are preparing guidelines for all OpenStreetMap data collectors on how to include necessary tag-information for the OpenStreetMap data Are these guidelines binding? If not, what does the 'necessary tag-information' mean? What if someone removes the tags later? This is part of what I mean by tying contributors' hands. The idea that a body issues so-called Open data and we then have to go through some process to add extra paperwork and restriction to OSM before that data can be used in OSM is a dangerous precedent and should be avoided. Get a letter / email saying the National Land Survey of Finland accepts that their open data can be used in OSM if you want, but don't go any further than that. If there is any doubt about this, or any further strings attached, then don't use the data. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly On 04/07/12 08:15, Pekka Sarkola wrote: Chris, Kate, Paul and Jaakko, Thanks about your comments. Here is few re-comments: This is Memorandum of Understanding, not an agreement. I think Wikipedia (again) explains carefully the differences between MoU and an agreement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorandum_of_understanding. This could be also Gentlemen's Agreement, maybe. NLSF's Open Data License is more free than OSM licenses (CC-BY-SA or ODBl): http://www.maanmittauslaitos.fi/en/NLS_open_data_licence_version1_20120501. Some Finnish OSMers has been worried about last item in sectin 2.2: remove the name of the Licensor from the product or service, if required to do so by the Licensor. and some has been worried about other things in the license. So, this is maybe more for OSMers (OpenStreetMap Foundation, community, contributors and other fellows) to clarify the situation. Signing of the MoU: I thought that this won't be officially signed document. Easier to NLSF, they just can send email. It will be impossible to get signature of OSMers for this MoU. Tying mapper hands: I don't understand this. How? If I (as OSMer) will make guidelines, all necessary mandations is done by all OSMers. Other mappers will follow guideline or not: this just normal procedure in OSM world, right? Dangerous precedent: I don't understand this. I think more and more government data will be open in the future. In some areas it is very valuable to OSMers to benefit those data sources. I hope this will also help other agencies to open their topographic datasets. Did I miss something? Requirements of MoU: I see only one requirement: preparing guideline. I will do that. Do you see other requirements in this MoU for OSMers? Contract: this is not contract, this is Memorandum of Understanding. There is big difference between those. This MoU is more for OSMers than NLSF. As Jaakko mention, this could be titles as License clarification. But this is not license clarification, because we didn't take any lines about licenses into this MoU. NLSF's license is more free than OSM licenses. So, we just need to attribute them in our wiki pages. And this MoU just clarifies that. I pick this title Memorandum of Understanding, because it's widely known term and make sense about spirit of the document. I'm open to change title of the document, if you have good one. Rgs, Pekka Pekka Sarkola – pekka.sark...@gispo.fi – www.gispo.fi -Original Message- From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] Sent: 3. heinäkuuta 2012 20:51 To: pekka.sark...@gispo.fi; Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF On 03/07/12 17:02, Pekka Sarkola wrote: Dear Friends, I have prepared with National Land Survey of Finland Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) about usage of their datasets by OpenStreetMap activists. Hare is current draft text for everybody to comment: Memorandum of Understanding This Memorandum of Understanding (hereinafter “MoU”) is between the National Land Survey of Finland (hereinafter
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF
Without going into the details of this particular case, I can clarify that OSM Foundation is able to enter (and has entered) into agreements (framed as MoU or otherwise) with government bodies. This has not been for OSM's benefit, but typically because governments sometimes require this kind of thing in order to release data. Such an agreement would never place additional restrictions on the use of the data, beyond that it should be available to use, and only if mappers choose to do so. -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net To: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.' legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF I'm cautious about quoting Wikipedia especially about anything legal, but it rightly says a MoU is an agreement between two or more parties. An understanding is an agreement. One party is the National Land Survey of Finland, but who is the other party? OSM? What is that? How am I (or more particularly someone adding Finnish data to OSM) to react to this? Who is agreeing to this and how will they be bound to this agreement? If it is not an agreement then it is not an MoU. If the National Land Survey of Finland wants to clarify what their licence means, then they can do that without using an MoU, just issue a statement of clarification. If, however, that gives OSM some extra, special rights then that is a problem. What is to stop someone extracting such data and using it in some other Open dataset outside of OSM which has not received these extra rights? We say OSM data can be used for any purpose by anyone if they comply with CC BY-SA (and soon ODbL), yet any extra restrictions, such as special tags, negates this. The proposed MoU states: OSM are preparing guidelines for all OpenStreetMap data collectors on how to include necessary tag-information for the OpenStreetMap data Are these guidelines binding? If not, what does the 'necessary tag-information' mean? What if someone removes the tags later? This is part of what I mean by tying contributors' hands. The idea that a body issues so-called Open data and we then have to go through some process to add extra paperwork and restriction to OSM before that data can be used in OSM is a dangerous precedent and should be avoided. Get a letter / email saying the National Land Survey of Finland accepts that their open data can be used in OSM if you want, but don't go any further than that. If there is any doubt about this, or any further strings attached, then don't use the data. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly On 04/07/12 08:15, Pekka Sarkola wrote: Chris, Kate, Paul and Jaakko, Thanks about your comments. Here is few re-comments: This is Memorandum of Understanding, not an agreement. I think Wikipedia (again) explains carefully the differences between MoU and an agreement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorandum_of_understanding. This could be also Gentlemen's Agreement, maybe. NLSF's Open Data License is more free than OSM licenses (CC-BY-SA or ODBl): http://www.maanmittauslaitos.fi/en/NLS_open_data_licence_version1_20120501. Some Finnish OSMers has been worried about last item in sectin 2.2: remove the name of the Licensor from the product or service, if required to do so by the Licensor. and some has been worried about other things in the license. So, this is maybe more for OSMers (OpenStreetMap Foundation, community, contributors and other fellows) to clarify the situation. Signing of the MoU: I thought that this won't be officially signed document. Easier to NLSF, they just can send email. It will be impossible to get signature of OSMers for this MoU. Tying mapper hands: I don't understand this. How? If I (as OSMer) will make guidelines, all necessary mandations is done by all OSMers. Other mappers will follow guideline or not: this just normal procedure in OSM world, right? Dangerous precedent: I don't understand this. I think more and more government data will be open in the future. In some areas it is very valuable to OSMers to benefit those data sources. I hope this will also help other agencies to open their topographic datasets. Did I miss something? Requirements of MoU: I see only one requirement: preparing guideline. I will do that. Do you see other requirements in this MoU for OSMers? Contract: this is not contract, this is Memorandum of Understanding. There is big difference between those. This MoU is more for OSMers than NLSF. As Jaakko mention, this could be titles as License clarification. But this is not license clarification, because we didn't take any lines about licenses into this MoU. NLSF's license is more free than OSM licenses. So, we just need to attribute them in our wiki pages. And this MoU just clarifies that. I pick this title Memorandum of Understanding, because it's widely
[OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF
Dear Friends, I have prepared with National Land Survey of Finland Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) about usage of their datasets by OpenStreetMap activists. Hare is current draft text for everybody to comment: Memorandum of Understanding This Memorandum of Understanding (hereinafter MoU) is between the National Land Survey of Finland (hereinafter NLSF) and OpenStreetMap contributors (hereinafter OSM). Background NLSF started to use a new Open Data License for their topographic information datasets (hereinafter Data) on 1st of May 2012. NLSFs Open Data License grants a worldwide, free of charge and irrevocable parallel right of use to open data. This MoU clarifies how Data can be used when OSM are collecting data to be part of OpenStreetMap database. Usage of NLSFs data NLSF data can be used at least two (2) ways by OSM: - As reference data: NLSF Data can be used as reference data. For example NLSFs raster maps or aerial photographs can used as source data when OSM databases are digitized, corrected, validated or in any other way. - As import source: NLSF Data can be imported to be an integral part of OpenStreetMap database. Attribution OSM will add NLSFs contribution to OpenStreetMap wiki pages as follows: Finland National Land Survey of Finland Contains data from National Land Survey of Finland Topographic Database and other sources, data extractions started on 05/2012. More specific data sources and data extraction dates are documented as part of data and in OSM wiki pages OSM are preparing guidelines for all OpenStreetMap data collectors on how to include necessary tag-information for the OpenStreetMap data features. Reasons to make this kind of MoU: - Common understanding among OSMers what can and what cannot do with NLSF datasets - Clarify OSMers goals for NLSF when using their datasets Some people may say that we don't even need this kind of MoU. IMHO: maybe it's better to have something than nothing. However, all comments are welcome! Rgs, Pekka -- Pekka Sarkola Gispo Oy pekka.sark...@gispo.fi - GSM +358 40 725 2042 www.gispo.fi www.paikkatieto.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF
On 03/07/12 17:02, Pekka Sarkola wrote: Dear Friends, I have prepared with National Land Survey of Finland Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) about usage of their datasets by OpenStreetMap activists. Hare is current draft text for everybody to comment: Memorandum of Understanding This Memorandum of Understanding (hereinafter “MoU”) is between the National Land Survey of Finland (hereinafter NLSF) and OpenStreetMap contributors (hereinafter OSM). Background NLSF started to use a new Open Data License for their topographic information datasets (hereinafter Data) on 1st of May 2012. NLSF’s Open Data License grants a worldwide, free of charge and irrevocable parallel right of use to open data. This MoU clarifies how Data can be used when OSM are collecting data to be part of OpenStreetMap database. Usage of NLSF’s data NLSF data can be used at least two (2) ways by OSM: - As reference data: NLSF Data can be used as reference data. For example NLSF’s raster maps or aerial photographs can used as source data when OSM databases are digitized, corrected, validated or in any other way. - As import source: NLSF Data can be imported to be an integral part of OpenStreetMap database. Attribution OSM will add NLSF’s contribution to OpenStreetMap wiki pages as follows: Finland National Land Survey of Finland Contains data from National Land Survey of Finland Topographic Database and other sources, data extractions started on 05/2012. More specific data sources and data extraction dates are documented as part of data and in OSM wiki pages OSM are preparing guidelines for all OpenStreetMap data collectors on how to include necessary tag-information for the OpenStreetMap data features. Reasons to make this kind of MoU: - Common understanding among OSMers what can and what cannot do with NLSF datasets - Clarify OSMers goals for NLSF when using their datasets Some people may say that we don't even need this kind of MoU. IMHO: maybe it's better to have something than nothing. However, all comments are welcome! If the data is licensed in an open way, you don't need this agreement. You are tying mapper hands with this agreement and it is, IMO, completely unacceptable. Who will sign this on behalf of OSM? What authority would this person have? This sets a dangerous precedent that I strongly oppose it. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF
Hi Chris, I don't understand why you think this agreement is unacceptable. It isn't taking any rights away from OSM to use the data that I can see. MoU agreements are a very typical thing of governments and I don't see what the issue is. -Kate On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: On 03/07/12 17:02, Pekka Sarkola wrote: Dear Friends, I have prepared with National Land Survey of Finland Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) about usage of their datasets by OpenStreetMap activists. Hare is current draft text for everybody to comment: Memorandum of Understanding This Memorandum of Understanding (hereinafter “MoU”) is between the National Land Survey of Finland (hereinafter NLSF) and OpenStreetMap contributors (hereinafter OSM). Background NLSF started to use a new Open Data License for their topographic information datasets (hereinafter Data) on 1st of May 2012. NLSF’s Open Data License grants a worldwide, free of charge and irrevocable parallel right of use to open data. This MoU clarifies how Data can be used when OSM are collecting data to be part of OpenStreetMap database. Usage of NLSF’s data NLSF data can be used at least two (2) ways by OSM: - As reference data: NLSF Data can be used as reference data. For example NLSF’s raster maps or aerial photographs can used as source data when OSM databases are digitized, corrected, validated or in any other way. - As import source: NLSF Data can be imported to be an integral part of OpenStreetMap database. Attribution OSM will add NLSF’s contribution to OpenStreetMap wiki pages as follows: Finland National Land Survey of Finland Contains data from National Land Survey of Finland Topographic Database and other sources, data extractions started on 05/2012. More specific data sources and data extraction dates are documented as part of data and in OSM wiki pages OSM are preparing guidelines for all OpenStreetMap data collectors on how to include necessary tag-information for the OpenStreetMap data features. Reasons to make this kind of MoU: - Common understanding among OSMers what can and what cannot do with NLSF datasets - Clarify OSMers goals for NLSF when using their datasets Some people may say that we don't even need this kind of MoU. IMHO: maybe it's better to have something than nothing. However, all comments are welcome! If the data is licensed in an open way, you don't need this agreement. You are tying mapper hands with this agreement and it is, IMO, completely unacceptable. Who will sign this on behalf of OSM? What authority would this person have? This sets a dangerous precedent that I strongly oppose it. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF
From: Pekka Sarkola [mailto:pekka.sark...@gispo.fi] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 9:03 AM To: OSM - talk-fi; legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF Dear Friends, I have prepared with National Land Survey of Finland Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) about usage of their datasets by OpenStreetMap activists. Hare is current draft text for everybody to comment: Memorandum of Understanding This Memorandum of Understanding (hereinafter MoU) is between the National Land Survey of Finland (hereinafter NLSF) and OpenStreetMap contributors (hereinafter OSM). Who would this agreement be between? It can't be between OSM contributors. It could be between NLSF and *some* OSM contributors who individually agree to it but it can't be for all OSM contributors. It couldn't impose any requirements on users of NLSF or NLSF-derived data in OSM, including OSM contributors. A MOU is essentially a contract between two parties, but I don't see who the second party is in this case. A contract or MOU makes sense in some cases, like if you are purchasing commercial imagery, but there's two clear parties then. I suppose you could have a data provider who didn't want to make their data directly publically available but was willing to let people contribute it to OSM, but such an import might run into problems following the guidelines. OSM are preparing guidelines for all OpenStreetMap data collectors on how to include necessary tag-information for the OpenStreetMap data features. I'm not saying this isn't important - you'd likely to do this as part of the import process - but does it belong in a MOU? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF
The way I see this is: Don't allow the term MOU make you not see The Point of this text and that is a clarification to the license terms. In plain(?) English the Finnish authority says that the OSM community is allowed to use the data _in OSM_ with the articulated clarifications because some in the community have felt that the license is problematic for using this Open Data in OSM. Unless I misunderstand something here it seems to me that regardless of the MOU (that is most usually drafted in collaboration _and_ signed by two parties) the idea here is that the Finnish authority declares one-sidedly (because OSM community is practically impossible to do 2-sided agreements with) that: If you abide to these (super-simple) rules/requirements then you are free as in free speech allowed to use the data. So, find+replace MOU with License clarification and perhaps -- just perhaps-- this seems better? Or am I missing something (again)? Cheers, -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 * http://go.hel.cc/MyProfile On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: From: Pekka Sarkola [mailto:pekka.sark...@gispo.fi] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 9:03 AM To: OSM - talk-fi; legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF Dear Friends, I have prepared with National Land Survey of Finland Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) about usage of their datasets by OpenStreetMap activists. Hare is current draft text for everybody to comment: Memorandum of Understanding This Memorandum of Understanding (hereinafter MoU) is between the National Land Survey of Finland (hereinafter NLSF) and OpenStreetMap contributors (hereinafter OSM). Who would this agreement be between? It can't be between OSM contributors. It could be between NLSF and *some* OSM contributors who individually agree to it but it can't be for all OSM contributors. It couldn't impose any requirements on users of NLSF or NLSF-derived data in OSM, including OSM contributors. A MOU is essentially a contract between two parties, but I don't see who the second party is in this case. A contract or MOU makes sense in some cases, like if you are purchasing commercial imagery, but there's two clear parties then. I suppose you could have a data provider who didn't want to make their data directly publically available but was willing to let people contribute it to OSM, but such an import might run into problems following the guidelines. OSM are preparing guidelines for all OpenStreetMap data collectors on how to include necessary tag-information for the OpenStreetMap data features. I'm not saying this isn't important - you'd likely to do this as part of the import process - but does it belong in a MOU? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
