[L-I] Cuba on Bush Administration

2001-01-28 Thread Macdonald Stainsby

*UNDER BUSH, CUBA COULD BECOME TARGET OF MOST REACTIONARY US SECTORS

Havana, January 27 (RHC) -- Cuban President Fidel Castro has asserted
that with the advent of the U.S.'s George Bush administration, Cuba
could become the target of the most extremist and reactionary sectors
currently celebrating the arrival of a new government in Washington.
Speaking before some 300 thousand people from Havana and Havana City
Provinces, on the occasion of the 148th anniversary of Cuban National
Hero Jose Marti's birth, Fidel Castro recalled that in Bush's
questionable victory, the terrorist Cuban-American mafia in Miami
played a decisive role.

The Cuban leader said the past actions and current ideas of the
principle members of the Bush administration have generated an
atmosphere of doubt, suspicion and fear within international public
opinion, almost without exception. He went on to say that,
nevertheless, Cuba will not be caught by surprise or unprepared.

President Castro said Cuba is not the inexperienced, unarmed and
almost illiterate country that it was in 1959. He said Cuba can look
to the future with serenity and confidence because the Cuban people
have confronted with honor and heroically resisted 42 years of
hostility, aggressions and an economic war.

Fidel Castro said the Cuban people have learned to fight and win in
the most inconceivable circumstances. No other people, said the Cuban
leader, is better prepared and less dependent on trade and commerce
with the planet's most powerful nation.

He said humanity has entered one of the most complex periods of its
history, with an unchallenged imperialist power, in which
considerable resources have been squandered, the environment has been
damaged, and in which there is an irrational pattern of consumption
that is out of reach for the vast majority of the planet's
inhabitants.

Humanity's political achievements, said the Cuban leader -- its
achievements in social justice and peaceful cohabitation -- have
fallen far behind scientific achievements. He said the current world
order will not be able to create a dignified life on this planet, but
that Cuba -- free to expound its truths and defend the rights of
Third World peoples in the international arena -- has been able to
contribute its grain of sand to the struggle for a world that is more
just, more rational and more imbued with the spirit of solidarity.


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[L-I] Llegan los zapatistas a la capital de México el próximo 6 de marzo.

2001-01-28 Thread Tony Abdo

¿YA CUMPLIÓ FOX LAS CONDICIONES DEL EZLN PARA EL DIÁLOGO? ¡NO!

Para reiniciar el diálogo el EZLN planteó 3 condiciones mínimas:

Primera.- Retiro de Ejército Federal de 7 de las 259 posiciones
existentes en Chiapas. Retiraron 4, faltan 3. En estas posiciones la
presencia militar intimida, hostiga e incluso provoca la expulsión de
la población civil zapatistas. El Ejército Mexicano en Chiapas y en
otros estados no está cumpliendo con su deber de preservar la
Soberanía Nacional, está siendo utilizado como Ejército de
Ocupación, violando con ello la Constitución.

Segunda.- Libertad de todos los zapatistas presos en Chiapas y otros
estados. No es posible dialogar con un gobierno que considera
delincuentes a los zapatistas, tampoco es concebible pensar que el EZLN
pueda abandonar a sus simpatizantes.

Tercera.- Cumplimiento de los Acuerdos de San Andrés, es decir, que el
Congreso de la Unión apruebe la Iniciativa de Ley sobre Derechos y
Cultura Indígena que los legisladores integrantes de la COCOPA
redactó. Si el gobierno y los partidos políticos del Congreso no
cumplen con los compromisos ¿para qué sentarse a dialogar?

Que no nos engañen los manipuladores de TvAzteca y Televisa con sus
encuestas baratas y de mala leche, las armas del EZLN no están a
discusión. Los zapatistas viajarán al DF con pasamontañas y en son
de paz.

Bueno, este es el contenido del volante que sacaremos aquí en Nuevo
León para contrarrestar la propaganda del enemigo. Te invitamos a que
lo difundas a través de los medios que tengas a tu alcance. Y no se te
olvide incluir la invitación a viajar al DF en marzo para acompañar
al EZLN al Congreso de la Unión.
_
Mensaje de un grupo zapatista en Monterrey

Tony










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Re: [L-I] The legacy...part 1

2001-01-28 Thread Louis Proyect

At 04:37 AM 1/28/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Macdonald Stainsby wrote:
>>
>> Any comments? - Macdonald
>
>A question first:  Who are Colin Leys and Leo Panitch?  I am not familiar
>with their history (either that, or I simply cannot recall it at the
>moment).
>
>Comradely;
>James Paris, MWG-IWC

Leo Panitch co-edited Socialist Register with Ralph Miliband, who died a
couple of years ago. As Mark Jones pointed out, the SR was very close to
Monthly Review and many of the same writers publish in both: Ellen Meiksins
Wood, Patrick Bond, John Bellamy Foster, Bill Tabb, David Harvey, et al. If
you had to pick and choose among Marxist journals based on the academy, I
suppose that MR and SR are the least compromised.

Leys is a specialist in "development theory", Africa in particular.
According to Sam Pawlett, he comes at things from the same angle as Robert
Brenner which is to say that he is skeptical of  the"development of
underdevelopment" thesis--another way of saying that imperialism exists.

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Re: [L-I] The legacy...part 1

2001-01-28 Thread James Paris

Macdonald Stainsby wrote:
>
> Any comments? - Macdonald

A question first:  Who are Colin Leys and Leo Panitch?  I am not familiar
with their history (either that, or I simply cannot recall it at the
moment).

Comradely;
James Paris, MWG-IWC
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Re: [L-I] Critical History of the U.S.

2001-01-28 Thread Alexander Domrin

Thanks again!
Our local library has all those titles. 
I need to check them out.

Best,
AD

At 05:09 PM 1/28/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Another one from a political economy/history pespective:
>
>Lawrence Goodwyn _The Populist Moment: A Short History of the Agrarian
>Revolt in America_ (1978, Oxford Press)
>
>Mine
>
>Mine Aysen Doyran wrote:
>
>> I don't know if it is the best, but Tom Kemp's _The Climax of US
>> Capitalism: The US Economy in the 20th century_ is a very good overview
>> of US capitalism (Longman, 1990)
>>
>> My favorite is, of course, (as always) Kees Van Der Pijl's _The Making
>> of an Atlantic Ruling Class_ (Verso, 1984) It describes the process of
>> class formation on an Atlantic Scale. The best dissertation ever written
>> in international  political economy (recently), and in other fields
>> alike.
>>
>> bye
>>
>> Mine
>>
>> Louis Proyect wrote:
>>
>> > There is one book that stands head and shoulders over all others:
>> >
>> > Howard Zinn "People's History of the United States"
>> >
>> > At 02:39 PM 1/28/01 -0600, you wrote:
>> > >Hello everybody -
>> > >
>> > >That would be extremely appreciated if somebody on this list
>> > >could recommend the best critical books on the U.S. history
>> > >(in English). On the U.S. history in general - not just
>> > >dedicated to some particular events.
>> > >Were any Russian/Soviet books on the U.S. history
>> > >translated into English?
>> > >
>> > >Thanks!
>> > >
>> > >Alexander
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Re: [L-I] Critical History of the U.S.

2001-01-28 Thread Alexander Domrin

Excellent!
Thank you very much!
AD

At 04:59 PM 1/28/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I don't know if it is the best, but Tom Kemp's _The Climax of US
>Capitalism: The US Economy in the 20th century_ is a very good overview
>of US capitalism (Longman, 1990)
>
>My favorite is, of course, (as always) Kees Van Der Pijl's _The Making
>of an Atlantic Ruling Class_ (Verso, 1984) It describes the process of
>class formation on an Atlantic Scale. The best dissertation ever written
>in international  political economy (recently), and in other fields
>alike.
>
>bye
>
>Mine
>
>
>Louis Proyect wrote:
>
>> There is one book that stands head and shoulders over all others:
>>
>> Howard Zinn "People's History of the United States"
>>
>> At 02:39 PM 1/28/01 -0600, you wrote:
>> >Hello everybody -
>> >
>> >That would be extremely appreciated if somebody on this list
>> >could recommend the best critical books on the U.S. history
>> >(in English). On the U.S. history in general - not just
>> >dedicated to some particular events.
>> >Were any Russian/Soviet books on the U.S. history
>> >translated into English?
>> >
>> >Thanks!
>> >
>> >Alexander
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Re: [L-I] Critical History of the U.S.

2001-01-28 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran


Another one from a political economy/history pespective:

Lawrence Goodwyn _The Populist Moment: A Short History of the Agrarian
Revolt in America_ (1978, Oxford Press)

Mine

Mine Aysen Doyran wrote:

> I don't know if it is the best, but Tom Kemp's _The Climax of US
> Capitalism: The US Economy in the 20th century_ is a very good overview
> of US capitalism (Longman, 1990)
>
> My favorite is, of course, (as always) Kees Van Der Pijl's _The Making
> of an Atlantic Ruling Class_ (Verso, 1984) It describes the process of
> class formation on an Atlantic Scale. The best dissertation ever written
> in international  political economy (recently), and in other fields
> alike.
>
> bye
>
> Mine
>
> Louis Proyect wrote:
>
> > There is one book that stands head and shoulders over all others:
> >
> > Howard Zinn "People's History of the United States"
> >
> > At 02:39 PM 1/28/01 -0600, you wrote:
> > >Hello everybody -
> > >
> > >That would be extremely appreciated if somebody on this list
> > >could recommend the best critical books on the U.S. history
> > >(in English). On the U.S. history in general - not just
> > >dedicated to some particular events.
> > >Were any Russian/Soviet books on the U.S. history
> > >translated into English?
> > >
> > >Thanks!
> > >
> > >Alexander
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Re: [L-I] Critical History of the U.S.

2001-01-28 Thread Alexander Domrin

Thanks a lot!
AD

At 04:34 PM 1/28/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>There is one book that stands head and shoulders over all others:
>
>Howard Zinn "People's History of the United States"
>
>At 02:39 PM 1/28/01 -0600, you wrote:
>>Hello everybody -
>>
>>That would be extremely appreciated if somebody on this list 
>>could recommend the best critical books on the U.S. history
>>(in English). On the U.S. history in general - not just
>>dedicated to some particular events.
>>Were any Russian/Soviet books on the U.S. history
>>translated into English?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Alexander
>>
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Re: [L-I] Critical History of the U.S.

2001-01-28 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran


I don't know if it is the best, but Tom Kemp's _The Climax of US
Capitalism: The US Economy in the 20th century_ is a very good overview
of US capitalism (Longman, 1990)

My favorite is, of course, (as always) Kees Van Der Pijl's _The Making
of an Atlantic Ruling Class_ (Verso, 1984) It describes the process of
class formation on an Atlantic Scale. The best dissertation ever written
in international  political economy (recently), and in other fields
alike.

bye

Mine


Louis Proyect wrote:

> There is one book that stands head and shoulders over all others:
>
> Howard Zinn "People's History of the United States"
>
> At 02:39 PM 1/28/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >Hello everybody -
> >
> >That would be extremely appreciated if somebody on this list
> >could recommend the best critical books on the U.S. history
> >(in English). On the U.S. history in general - not just
> >dedicated to some particular events.
> >Were any Russian/Soviet books on the U.S. history
> >translated into English?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Alexander
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Re: [L-I] Critical History of the U.S.

2001-01-28 Thread Louis Proyect

There is one book that stands head and shoulders over all others:

Howard Zinn "People's History of the United States"

At 02:39 PM 1/28/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Hello everybody -
>
>That would be extremely appreciated if somebody on this list 
>could recommend the best critical books on the U.S. history
>(in English). On the U.S. history in general - not just
>dedicated to some particular events.
>Were any Russian/Soviet books on the U.S. history
>translated into English?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Alexander
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[L-I] Critical History of the U.S.

2001-01-28 Thread Alexander Domrin

Hello everybody -

That would be extremely appreciated if somebody on this list 
could recommend the best critical books on the U.S. history
(in English). On the U.S. history in general - not just
dedicated to some particular events.
Were any Russian/Soviet books on the U.S. history
translated into English?

Thanks!

Alexander

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[L-I] FW: DEBATE: (Fwd) Stop the DRC War... (pls circulate)

2001-01-28 Thread Mark Jones



-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: DEBATE: (Fwd) Stop the DRC War... (pls circulate)


> A warm welcome to Dominic Tweedie (well known to readers of 
> letters-to-editor)

?Since you mention my letters let me just say
that if one is trying to "speak truth to power" then
one had better do so in public.

To business. In the "18th Brumaire", as I recall,
Marx describes four contending (self-conscious,
organised) classes: the (Bourbon) Monarchists,
the Peasants, the Bourgeoisie (capitalists), and
the Proletariat (workers). No single one of these
classes was at the time able to subordinate the
other three. This made the opportunity, which
Louis Napoleon took, for a placeholder. He was
able to hold the ring for a while "precisely
because he was a nobody" or words to that
effect.

The eventual resolution of all this was the victory
of the bourgeoisie in France, the survival of the
proletariat, the permanent reduction of the
peasants, and the disappearance of the
monarchists and Louis Napoleon of course.

In a situation of simultaneous class formation and
unresolved class conflict there may be many
opportunities such as the one exploited by Louis
Napoleon, and so therefore many nonentities
and anomalous figures "in power". Rather follow
Marx and examine the basic arrangement of
class forces that produces the surface
phenomena than get preoccupied with the
personal qualities or faults of such individuals.
They are part of a complex superstructure which
is fascinating but not understandable without a
prior knowledge of the base upon which they
stand.

What is the disposition of class forces in African
countries? Mahmood Mamdani in "Citizen and
Subject" provides a simple basic model which he
says is typical and which is convincing and
useful.

Imperialism allies itself with the most
anachronistic, feudal forces, the "traditional
leaders", in support of a quisling class which acts
to frustrate and suppress the modernising urban
population. This pattern is inherited from
colonialism. Mamdani concludes by pleading for
democracy in the abstract, which is no doubt
what his American readers like to hear.

Looking at this again with a more Marxist glass
than Mamdani cares to supply, it is clear that
imperialism is as defined by Lenin, the force of
finance capital, the party of war, and of
monopoly, having no concern for the interests of
the inhabitants at all. This force positively
"underdevelops" (see Walter Rodney) the neo-
colonial territories. It started its monstrous life in
Africa in the form of the Anglo-Boer War, roughly
16 years before Lenin wrote "Imperialism, the
Highest Stage of Capitalism" (and sixty-odd years
before Kwame Nkrumah's "Neo-colonialism, the
Last Stage of Imperialism").

Mamdani thinks that South Africa has the most
developed examples of the complicity between
imperialism and "traditional leadership". Gatsha
Buthelezi with his IFP is only one of many
examples. This is because SA is more deeply
penetrated by monopoly finance capital than any
other African country.

Now to Mamdani's other contender, his
modernising urban force. This has two
components. The leading one is the national
bourgeoisie. Following and supporting the
national bourgeoisie is the working class. This is
how it has been in Africa for the last hundred
years at least.

You do not understand class conflict in Africa if
you cannot see that it is firstly a contradiction
between national capital and international
finance capital. African Nationalism is a
bourgeois phenomenon and its enemy is
imperialism. The working class, for very good
reasons, sides with its African Nationalist
bourgeoisie.

Imperialism hates this "intra-capitalist" conflict to
be exposed. It prefers to speak of generalities
such as "free enterprise" and "democracy" or
even just "stability". It seeks to co-opt sections of
the national bourgeoisie using these rubrics. Good
current examples are the Millenium Council and
the attempt at co-opting the black business 
association NAFCOC into the fold of monopoly 
capital in SA.

Thus those who conflate imperialism with the
national bourgeoisie under the general heading
"neo-liberal" are objectively serving imperialism.
The intellectuals who will serve the working class
will be those who sharpen the contradictions
between the national bourgeoisie and
imperialism. 

(Colin Leys in "Underdevelopment in
Kenya" rightly remarks that Frans Fanon in "The
Wretched of the Earth" omits any discussion of
active neo-colonial imperialism, which makes the
book to be "like Hamlet without the Prince of
Denmark").

The African working class follows its national
bourgeoisie in the anti-imperialist cause because
it is in its interest to do so. Anti-imperial capital
will employ and organise a working class and
prepare the material conditions for working-class
rule (the dictat

[L-I] (Spanish) Imperialism, rights of the mapuches, Balkanization

2001-01-28 Thread Gorojovsky

The piece I am forwarding contains two parts:

a) a presentation, written by an Argentinian progressive, of a request for help
from a group of Mapuche indians in their struggle for land against the local
landowners and the Chilean government; this presentation raises the issue of
whether it is a matter of chance that this request is sent from New York,
precisely at a time when Bush has arrived to power and talks of exchanging debt
for territories are being heard (that is, wouldn't it be very easy for
imperialists to carve a "Mapuche state" out of Southern Chile and South Western
Argentina, then "protect" it? We should be alert not to be duped by fake calls
to the fate of the aboriginal populations, although the claim is, in this case,
very concrete and fair. Thus,

b) the second part contains the claim.

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Queridos amigos de la Nac & Pop:

Cuando estos movimientos, indios, con sede en Nueva
York, comienzan a combatir nuevamente a los españoles,
nos pasan dos cosas por la cabeza:

La primera es que es hora de que se efectivicen las
promesas y los convenios, leyes y acuerdos firmados con
los indios reconociendoles la majestad de su propia
dignidad y los bienes que se les han asegurado, pero
nunca entregado.

La segunda cosa es que- como esperamos que- de un
momento a otro- comiencen a aparecer las
"argumentaciones" para cambiar "Deuda Externa por
territorio" y el territorio patagonico,- que pretenden
canjearnos por dinero- corresponde a los reclamos
mapuches, no sabemos si los reclamos mapuches desde
Nueva York tendrán alguna relación con esto.

Un abrazo

La Nac & Pop
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Atencion con los Territorios Mapuches.

New York.Enero 2001.

Queridos hermanos y hermanas Chilenas y chilenos en el
Exterior, a la Solidaridad Internacional y pueblos
indigenas del Mundo.

La Red Chilena Indigena y popular se dirige a ustedes
para llamarle la atencion sobre lo que esta pasando en
el Territorio Mapuche en Chile.

Desde la ocupacion del fundo El Carmen y las diversas
ocupaciones legitimas de tierras y fundos posteriores,
el Gobierno del Presidente Ricardo Lagos, empresarios
latifundistas y partidos politicos de la derecha UDI-RN
han venido desarrollando una caceria y campaña en
contra de la comunidad Mapuches, una niña fue herida de
bala, varias mujeres fueron reprimidas y arrestadas en
la intendencia de Temuco, varios activistas indigenas
han sido encarcelados, la Intendente de Temuco a
lanzado toda la represion en contra de los mapuches y
el propio Presidente Ricardo Lagos se nego a reunirse
con los Mapuches cuando visito la zona.

Pero ahora el Mercurio,el Senador Prat, la Tercera y el
señor Burgos a nombre del ministerio del interior a
amenazado con las FFAA, la ley de Seguridad Interior
del Estado,el Senador Prat y los otros llaman a la
sedicion y que los Latifundistas se armen y procedan a
castigar a los "indios" dice el Senador Prat
"infiltrados por la Izquierda"a reglon seguido afirma
el propio senador de la ultraderecha Mister Prat.

La lucha del pueblo y Nacion Mapuche no se hinicio hoy,
300 años le hicieron la pelea a los Españoles, hasta
ahora le han peleado al Ejercito, Gobiernos y Politicos
Chilenos, nosotros no los dejaremos solo JAMAS, la
lucha de los Pueblos Indigenas es nuestra lucha, la
lucha de los pobres y marginados de la tierra.

Un Movimiento de Liberacion Indigena, Rebelde recorre
el Sur de Chile, Sudamerica y el Continente y en esa
parada estamos todos los progresistas, grupos
solidarios y revolucionarios chilenos llamados a poner
el grano de maiz que falta.

La Red Chilena Indigena y Popular Llama a nuestras
amigas y amigos, a los pueblos solidarios y
organizaciones de derechos humanos a poner EL GRITO EN
EL CIELO, la Nacion Indigena esta amenazada y el deber
nos llama, por favor apoye a nuestros hermanos
indigenas de la Novena Region-Temuco Territorio de la
Nacion Mapuches. (...)

Comisiones de Solidaridad de todo el Mundo hacia Temuco
es la consigna. 300 años de resistencia en contra de
los invasores Españoles., mas de 500 años de
Resistencia en contra del exterminio del Ejercito y la
burguesia Chilena.

Ahora no nos doblegaran.

Con la solidaridad mundial y nuestras razones y verdad.

VENCEREMOS.

Red Chilena Indigena y Popular.

New York.Enero 2001.  __



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Re: [L-I] The legacy...part 1

2001-01-28 Thread Macdonald Stainsby

Damnit...you are right, of course. Trying to multitask left me with none completed.

http://www.yorku.ca/socreg/leyspanitch98.html

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> this link goes to a different article!
> 
> Mark
> 
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> > Macdonald Stainsby
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> > 
> > "reply to article in New Left Review 2, 2000"
> > http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Users/hafa3/panitch.htm
> > 
> > 
> > > Mac, where was this published? Reference, please
> > > 
> > > Mark
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RE: [L-I] The legacy...part 1

2001-01-28 Thread Mark Jones


I'm glad Mac posted this Panitch artcle (presumably the intro essay to a recent Soc
Register, publication detalils WOULD be welome) and I think that L-I has a raison
d'etre as a site dedicated to high-level theoretical debate about the state, and how
we analyse and conceptualise it within the process of developing revolutionary
theory/practice.

I would like to propose that we resolve different schools of thought into a
schemata. This article is part of the MR/SR school/tradition of
non-soviet/anti-stalin critiques of the state and capital in the Baran/Sweezy
tradition of anti-leninism (another anti-lenin tradition is that of Paul Mattick,
shading over into Lucien Goldman and the autonomist/Tony Negri school which for eg
Tahir Wood follows, is Tahir on l-i btw?)

If we can agree to some admittedly arbitrary scheme then we can try to sharpen
up/deepen our understanding of these different 'schools' thru further debate,
elaboration etc.

The link Mac gave goes to Martin Shaw's pages. Here he discusses NLR, Perry
Anderson, Peter Gowan etc. I have on file a huge (and I mean big) file of papers on
the state + capital by these and otthers which i can put into a zipfile if anyone
wants to get it.

Mark


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RE: [L-I] The legacy...part 1

2001-01-28 Thread Mark Jones

this link goes to a different article!

Mark

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> 
> 
> "reply to article in New Left Review 2, 2000"
> http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Users/hafa3/panitch.htm
> 
> 
> > Mac, where was this published? Reference, please
> > 
> > Mark
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Re: [L-I] The legacy...part 1

2001-01-28 Thread Macdonald Stainsby

"reply to article in New Left Review 2, 2000"
http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Users/hafa3/panitch.htm


> Mac, where was this published? Reference, please
> 
> Mark
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RE: [L-I] The legacy...part 1

2001-01-28 Thread Mark Jones

Mac, where was this published? Reference, please

Mark

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> Any comments? - Macdonald
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RE: [L-I] Re: Sacher-Masoch in the Age of Shock Therapy

2001-01-28 Thread Mark Jones

> >Masochism seems like an appropriate psychological accompaniment for
> >the transition from communism to capitalism in Russia and the
> >Ukraine. The citizens are being screwed so best that they like it
> >and continue under the whip of the oligarchs, and receive
> >shock-treatment by following the policies of western neo-liberal
> >advisers et al..

couple of points (and thanks, Yoshie, for this thread): (a) Ken Hanly is presumably
being ironic: I never met a single Soviet person who got pleasure from being
deprived of job, housing, health, social security and who now suffers malnutrition,
sickness, family breakdown and the loss of basic services including communal heating
(very important) public transport etc, and who is now stranger in his/her own
country, allowed to remain on sufferance but preferred to die soon and with no fuss.
As for Judith Butler, whatever the relative merits of her work as social theory, (I
have no idea), it has scant bearing on the felt experiences and concrete day to day
lives of people in eastern Europe (the broad masses, not the super-elite and their
thin cohorts of semi-westernised dollar-earning 'professional' servitors). Peope are
not resigned, do not need to be resignified (are we object which bear lables, like
Winnie the Pooh?) and are not attached to their subjection. Their problem is like
ours: TINA. For 75 years there was an alternatived,. now there is not.

Read the latest UNDP figures comparing living standards, HDP, GDP indices etc and
see the dismal story of what happened throughout the socialist world after 1989 with
the solitary and blindingly significant exception of Cuba (it's at:
http://website.lineone.net/~resource_base/

> Those who seek to become the tribune of the oppressed in Russia (&
> the periphery in general) have a difficult task cut out for them: to
> represent the interests of women at the same time as to champion
> residents of small towns & rural regions in practice.
>

I think you can go further and make a distinction between Moscow/St Peterburg and
Everywhere Else. Moscow is a sump into which, after 1993, flowed everying that could
be turned into liquid assets from the accumulation-effort of 75 years of socialism.
The sump drains into the smooth and silent laundries of Zurich, New York and London,
and subsidiary centres: Cyprus, Bahamas etc. From there this huge flow of value,
equivalent in fertilising effect to the flow of gold and silver plundered from the
America after the 16th century, became anonymous investment capital. As they say,
money doesn't have to wash its face.

I think the experience of the 1998 financial crash showed that as soon as (ie within
24 hours) the chokehold of finance capital comes of the Russian windpipe -- because
of some financial emergency or Wall St meltdown: there is immediate political
galvanising effect in Russia. We shall see. They haven't managed to bury Lenin yet,
they are afraid to, and for the good reason.

Mark



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