Re: [lfs-support] Building editor-manual
On 1/23/20 4:04 PM, pierre.labas...@neuf.fr wrote: De : "Bruce Dubbs" A : "Pierre Labastie" Envoyé: jeudi 23 janvier 2020 17:21 Objet : Re: [lfs-support] Building editor-manual On 1/23/20 8:01 AM, Pierre Labastie wrote: > Le 23/01/2020 à 13:25, Scott Andrews a écrit : >> >> On 1/22/20 9:49 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >>> On 1/22/20 8:29 PM, Douglas R. Reno wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This link does not exist any more >>>>> >>>>> http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl >>> >>>> I can confirm this, it seems that the oldest version that they have >>>> available on Sourceforge is 1.70.1 (2006-05-26 is the datestamp). >>> >>> But what should be used is docbook-xsl-nons-1.79.2. >>> >>> -- Bruce >> >> >> This works to build the manual: >> >> make lfs >> >> >> This gives the error >> >> make nochunks >> >> > > Well, did not realize when reading your OP, because it was "working for me", > and I suspected some wrong configuration in your docbook xml/xsl installation. > But actually, I have made (long ago) some modifications to my working copy of > the editor manual, see the attached patch (to be applied with svn patch). > Sorry for not realizing that before. > > Note that "make lfs" only works if you have a copy of the LFS xml in ../BOOK. > > Pierre > PS: should I commit this patch? Please do. Done at r11733 Working now Thanks -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page Do not top post on this list. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
Re: [lfs-support] Building editor-manual
De : "Bruce Dubbs" A : "Pierre Labastie" Envoyé: jeudi 23 janvier 2020 17:21 Objet : Re: [lfs-support] Building editor-manual On 1/23/20 8:01 AM, Pierre Labastie wrote: Le 23/01/2020 à 13:25, Scott Andrews a écrit: On 1/22/20 9:49 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: On 1/22/20 8:29 PM, Douglas R. Reno wrote: This link does not exist any more http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl I can confirm this, it seems that the oldest version that they have available on Sourceforge is 1.70.1 (2006-05-26 is the datestamp). But what should be used is docbook-xsl-nons-1.79.2. -- Bruce This works to build the manual: make lfs This gives the error make nochunks Well, did not realize when reading your OP, because it was "working for me", and I suspected some wrong configuration in your docbook xml/xsl installation. But actually, I have made (long ago) some modifications to my working copy of the editor manual, see the attached patch (to be applied with svn patch). Sorry for not realizing that before. Note that "make lfs" only works if you have a copy of the LFS xml in ../BOOK. Pierre PS: should I commit this patch? Please do. Done at r11733 -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page Do not top post on this list. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
Re: [lfs-support] Building editor-manual
On 1/23/20 9:01 AM, Pierre Labastie wrote: Le 23/01/2020 à 13:25, Scott Andrews a écrit : On 1/22/20 9:49 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: On 1/22/20 8:29 PM, Douglas R. Reno wrote: This link does not exist any more http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl I can confirm this, it seems that the oldest version that they have available on Sourceforge is 1.70.1 (2006-05-26 is the datestamp). But what should be used is docbook-xsl-nons-1.79.2. -- Bruce This works to build the manual: make lfs This gives the error make nochunks Well, did not realize when reading your OP, because it was "working for me", and I suspected some wrong configuration in your docbook xml/xsl installation. But actually, I have made (long ago) some modifications to my working copy of the editor manual, see the attached patch (to be applied with svn patch). Sorry for not realizing that before. Note that "make lfs" only works if you have a copy of the LFS xml in ../BOOK. Pierre PS: should I commit this patch? I will give that a run for it's money and see where it goes. Thanks -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page Do not top post on this list. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
Re: [lfs-support] Building editor-manual
Le 23/01/2020 à 13:25, Scott Andrews a écrit : > > On 1/22/20 9:49 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> On 1/22/20 8:29 PM, Douglas R. Reno wrote: >> > This link does not exist any more http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl >> >>> I can confirm this, it seems that the oldest version that they have >>> available on Sourceforge is 1.70.1 (2006-05-26 is the datestamp). >> >> But what should be used is docbook-xsl-nons-1.79.2. >> >> -- Bruce > > > This works to build the manual: > > make lfs > > > This gives the error > > make nochunks > > Well, did not realize when reading your OP, because it was "working for me", and I suspected some wrong configuration in your docbook xml/xsl installation. But actually, I have made (long ago) some modifications to my working copy of the editor manual, see the attached patch (to be applied with svn patch). Sorry for not realizing that before. Note that "make lfs" only works if you have a copy of the LFS xml in ../BOOK. Pierre PS: should I commit this patch? Index: Makefile === --- Makefile (révision 11699) +++ Makefile (copie de travail) @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ CHUNK_QUIET=1 PDF_OUTPUT=LFS-EDITORS-GUIDE.pdf NOCHUNKS_OUTPUT=LFS-EDITORS-GUIDE.html -XSLROOTDIR=/usr/share/xml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets-current +XSLROOTDIR=/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/docbook-xsl lfs: xsltproc --xinclude --nonet -stringparam chunk.quietly $(CHUNK_QUIET) \ Index: stylesheets/lfs-chunked.xsl === --- stylesheets/lfs-chunked.xsl (révision 11699) +++ stylesheets/lfs-chunked.xsl (copie de travail) @@ -5,8 +5,8 @@ version="1.0"> - http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/chunk-common.xsl"/> - http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/manifest.xsl"/> + http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/chunk-common.xsl"/> + http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/manifest.xsl"/> - http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-chunk-code.xsl"/> + http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/profile-chunk-code.xsl"/> Index: stylesheets/lfs-chunked2.xsl === --- stylesheets/lfs-chunked2.xsl (révision 11699) +++ stylesheets/lfs-chunked2.xsl (copie de travail) @@ -5,7 +5,7 @@ version="1.0"> - http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/docbook.xsl"/> + http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/docbook.xsl"/> Index: stylesheets/lfs-nochunks.xsl === --- stylesheets/lfs-nochunks.xsl (révision 11699) +++ stylesheets/lfs-nochunks.xsl (copie de travail) @@ -5,7 +5,7 @@ version="1.0"> - http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl"/> + http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl"/> Index: stylesheets/lfs-pdf.xsl === --- stylesheets/lfs-pdf.xsl (révision 11699) +++ stylesheets/lfs-pdf.xsl (copie de travail) @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ xmlns:fo="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Format; version="1.0"> - http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/fo/docbook.xsl"/> + http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/fo/docbook.xsl"/> Index: stylesheets/lfs-profile.xsl === --- stylesheets/lfs-profile.xsl (révision 11699) +++ stylesheets/lfs-profile.xsl (copie de travail) @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ version="1.0"> - http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/profiling/profile-mode.xsl"/> + http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/profiling/profile-mode.xsl"/> -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page Do not top post on this list. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
Re: [lfs-support] Building editor-manual
On 1/22/20 9:49 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: On 1/22/20 8:29 PM, Douglas R. Reno wrote: This link does not exist any more http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl I can confirm this, it seems that the oldest version that they have available on Sourceforge is 1.70.1 (2006-05-26 is the datestamp). But what should be used is docbook-xsl-nons-1.79.2. -- Bruce This works to build the manual: make lfs This gives the error make nochunks -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page Do not top post on this list. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
Re: [lfs-support] Building editor-manual
On 1/22/20 8:29 PM, Douglas R. Reno wrote: This link does not exist any more http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl I can confirm this, it seems that the oldest version that they have available on Sourceforge is 1.70.1 (2006-05-26 is the datestamp). But what should be used is docbook-xsl-nons-1.79.2. -- Bruce -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page Do not top post on this list. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
Re: [lfs-support] Building editor-manual
On 1/22/20 7:40 PM, Scott Andrews wrote: On 1/22/20 3:03 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: On 1/22/20 12:15 PM, Douglas R. Reno wrote: On 1/22/20 11:40 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: I am trying to build the lfs editor manual after downloading the source with svn executing make nochunks returns the following error $ make nochunks xsltproc --xinclude --nonet -stringparam profile.condition html \ --output ~/lfs-editors-guide/LFS-EDITORS-GUIDE.html \ stylesheets/lfs-nochunks.xsl index.xml I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl warning: failed to load external entity "http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl; compilation error: file stylesheets/lfs-nochunks.xsl line 8 element import xsl:import : unable to load http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl make: *** [Makefile:43: nochunks] Error 5 I have built the LFS SVN successfully so I am of the opinion that is a problem related to the building process used in the Makefile Any way to get this to work? Hi Scott, I'm not sure on this as I haven't tried to build the editor manual, but my guess is that it's using an older version of the stylesheets. Bruce is probably the person to answer this one, but I can answer the question below: Also How would you build the LFS-9.0 from the BOOK source? If you're looking to render the book, do this (from within the trunk/BOOK folder of an SVN checkout): make REV=sysv BASEDIR=~/wherever_you_want_your_files_output_to To do a systemd build, replace "sysv" with "systemd" in the above command. Here's an example from mine: make REV=systemd BASEDIR=~/public_html/lfs-trunk-sysd Or for the book, just use the defaults with 'make'. sysv is the default. Look at the Makefile for the other defaults. As to why the LFS-EDITORS-GUIDE is not building, it is probably because the dependencies are not installed or configured properly. Here is what you need: libxml2 libxslt DocBook XSL Stylesheets (docbook-xsl-nons-1.79.2 in BLFS) DocBook XML DTD-4.5 (docbook-4.5 in BLFS) tidy Pay close attention to the configuration of the docbook packages and their dependencies. Also I note that there are some issues with the editor's guide because we haven't updated it lately. Checking... There has only been one minor change in the last 14 years, but the contents are still valid AFAICS. I had to comment out hide-endtags and drop-font-tags in tidy.conf due to using a newer version of tidy and I also had to: sudo mkdir -p /usr/share/xml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets-current/images/ sudo touch /usr/share/xml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets-current/images/dummy.png -- Bruce This link does not exist any more http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl I can confirm this, it seems that the oldest version that they have available on Sourceforge is 1.70.1 (2006-05-26 is the datestamp). On an unrelated note, it seems that development has moved to Github: https://github.com/docbook/xslt10-stylesheets -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page Do not top post on this list. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
Re: [lfs-support] Building editor-manual
On 1/22/20 3:03 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: On 1/22/20 12:15 PM, Douglas R. Reno wrote: On 1/22/20 11:40 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: I am trying to build the lfs editor manual after downloading the source with svn executing make nochunks returns the following error $ make nochunks xsltproc --xinclude --nonet -stringparam profile.condition html \ --output ~/lfs-editors-guide/LFS-EDITORS-GUIDE.html \ stylesheets/lfs-nochunks.xsl index.xml I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl warning: failed to load external entity "http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl; compilation error: file stylesheets/lfs-nochunks.xsl line 8 element import xsl:import : unable to load http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl make: *** [Makefile:43: nochunks] Error 5 I have built the LFS SVN successfully so I am of the opinion that is a problem related to the building process used in the Makefile Any way to get this to work? Hi Scott, I'm not sure on this as I haven't tried to build the editor manual, but my guess is that it's using an older version of the stylesheets. Bruce is probably the person to answer this one, but I can answer the question below: Also How would you build the LFS-9.0 from the BOOK source? If you're looking to render the book, do this (from within the trunk/BOOK folder of an SVN checkout): make REV=sysv BASEDIR=~/wherever_you_want_your_files_output_to To do a systemd build, replace "sysv" with "systemd" in the above command. Here's an example from mine: make REV=systemd BASEDIR=~/public_html/lfs-trunk-sysd Or for the book, just use the defaults with 'make'. sysv is the default. Look at the Makefile for the other defaults. As to why the LFS-EDITORS-GUIDE is not building, it is probably because the dependencies are not installed or configured properly. Here is what you need: libxml2 libxslt DocBook XSL Stylesheets (docbook-xsl-nons-1.79.2 in BLFS) DocBook XML DTD-4.5 (docbook-4.5 in BLFS) tidy Pay close attention to the configuration of the docbook packages and their dependencies. Also I note that there are some issues with the editor's guide because we haven't updated it lately. Checking... There has only been one minor change in the last 14 years, but the contents are still valid AFAICS. I had to comment out hide-endtags and drop-font-tags in tidy.conf due to using a newer version of tidy and I also had to: sudo mkdir -p /usr/share/xml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets-current/images/ sudo touch /usr/share/xml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets-current/images/dummy.png -- Bruce This link does not exist any more http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page Do not top post on this list. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
Re: [lfs-support] Building editor-manual
On 1/22/20 3:03 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: On 1/22/20 12:15 PM, Douglas R. Reno wrote: On 1/22/20 11:40 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: I am trying to build the lfs editor manual after downloading the source with svn executing make nochunks returns the following error $ make nochunks xsltproc --xinclude --nonet -stringparam profile.condition html \ --output ~/lfs-editors-guide/LFS-EDITORS-GUIDE.html \ stylesheets/lfs-nochunks.xsl index.xml I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl warning: failed to load external entity "http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl; compilation error: file stylesheets/lfs-nochunks.xsl line 8 element import xsl:import : unable to load http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl make: *** [Makefile:43: nochunks] Error 5 I have built the LFS SVN successfully so I am of the opinion that is a problem related to the building process used in the Makefile Any way to get this to work? Hi Scott, I'm not sure on this as I haven't tried to build the editor manual, but my guess is that it's using an older version of the stylesheets. Bruce is probably the person to answer this one, but I can answer the question below: Also How would you build the LFS-9.0 from the BOOK source? If you're looking to render the book, do this (from within the trunk/BOOK folder of an SVN checkout): make REV=sysv BASEDIR=~/wherever_you_want_your_files_output_to To do a systemd build, replace "sysv" with "systemd" in the above command. Here's an example from mine: make REV=systemd BASEDIR=~/public_html/lfs-trunk-sysd Or for the book, just use the defaults with 'make'. sysv is the default. Look at the Makefile for the other defaults. As to why the LFS-EDITORS-GUIDE is not building, it is probably because the dependencies are not installed or configured properly. Here is what you need: libxml2 libxslt I have those installed DocBook XSL Stylesheets (docbook-xsl-nons-1.79.2 in BLFS) DocBook XML DTD-4.5 (docbook-4.5 in BLFS) I will need to check the XSL and XML tidy I have that Pay close attention to the configuration of the docbook packages and their dependencies. Also I note that there are some issues with the editor's guide because we haven't updated it lately. Checking... There has only been one minor change in the last 14 years, but the contents are still valid AFAICS. I had to comment out hide-endtags and drop-font-tags in tidy.conf due to using a newer version of tidy and I also had to: sudo mkdir -p /usr/share/xml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets-current/images/ sudo touch /usr/share/xml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets-current/images/dummy.png -- Bruce Will try that Thanks -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page Do not top post on this list. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
Re: [lfs-support] Building editor-manual
On 1/22/20 12:15 PM, Douglas R. Reno wrote: On 1/22/20 11:40 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: I am trying to build the lfs editor manual after downloading the source with svn executing make nochunks returns the following error $ make nochunks xsltproc --xinclude --nonet -stringparam profile.condition html \ --output ~/lfs-editors-guide/LFS-EDITORS-GUIDE.html \ stylesheets/lfs-nochunks.xsl index.xml I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl warning: failed to load external entity "http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl; compilation error: file stylesheets/lfs-nochunks.xsl line 8 element import xsl:import : unable to load http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/1.69.1/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl make: *** [Makefile:43: nochunks] Error 5 I have built the LFS SVN successfully so I am of the opinion that is a problem related to the building process used in the Makefile Any way to get this to work? Hi Scott, I'm not sure on this as I haven't tried to build the editor manual, but my guess is that it's using an older version of the stylesheets. Bruce is probably the person to answer this one, but I can answer the question below: Also How would you build the LFS-9.0 from the BOOK source? If you're looking to render the book, do this (from within the trunk/BOOK folder of an SVN checkout): make REV=sysv BASEDIR=~/wherever_you_want_your_files_output_to To do a systemd build, replace "sysv" with "systemd" in the above command. Here's an example from mine: make REV=systemd BASEDIR=~/public_html/lfs-trunk-sysd Or for the book, just use the defaults with 'make'. sysv is the default. Look at the Makefile for the other defaults. As to why the LFS-EDITORS-GUIDE is not building, it is probably because the dependencies are not installed or configured properly. Here is what you need: libxml2 libxslt DocBook XSL Stylesheets (docbook-xsl-nons-1.79.2 in BLFS) DocBook XML DTD-4.5 (docbook-4.5 in BLFS) tidy Pay close attention to the configuration of the docbook packages and their dependencies. Also I note that there are some issues with the editor's guide because we haven't updated it lately. Checking... There has only been one minor change in the last 14 years, but the contents are still valid AFAICS. I had to comment out hide-endtags and drop-font-tags in tidy.conf due to using a newer version of tidy and I also had to: sudo mkdir -p /usr/share/xml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets-current/images/ sudo touch /usr/share/xml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets-current/images/dummy.png -- Bruce -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page Do not top post on this list. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
Re: [lfs-support] Building editor-manual
On 1/22/20 1:15 PM, Douglas R. Reno wrote: Also How would you build the LFS-9.0 from the BOOK source? If you're looking to render the book, do this (from within the trunk/BOOK folder of an SVN checkout): make REV=sysv BASEDIR=~/wherever_you_want_your_files_output_to make REV=sysv BASEDIR=~/lfs-book nochunks This is what it renders Version SVN-20200119 Published January 19th, 2020 Created by Gerard Beekmans -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page Do not top post on this list. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
