Re: [liberationtech] economic cost of lost emails.
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 04:40:26PM -0300, J.M. Porup wrote: If we really want a permanent archive of humanity's work, we need to build some kind of distributed Noah's Ark. Archive.org is no good (book depositories are the first to go when the book-burning starts), and asking the book-burners at the NSA and GCHQ to guard our civilization's store of knowledge is laughable on its face. Something P2P, maybe blockchain-based, might work. Convincing people of the reality and urgency of the threat is another matter. A diversity of tactics is best. Given a useful archive of knowledge (the complete wikipedia edit history in all languages, including deleted and censored data, would be a good start), we need to store it in hundreds of places -- - on microsd cards in waterproof cases buried underground - on archival DVD-R - microprinted on metal foil or volume-optimized paper substrates, buried in obscure locations - on cubesats (but LEO is not a friendly place for multidecade storage, you need MEO at least to avoid deorbiting) - on long-term electronic storage media including naked-eye readable instructions on how to access it (what do you MEAN you can't read a Acorn LaserDisc!?) Folks doing this should be cautious of being completely visible, since in the hypothesized interregnum the lists of where the knowledge from the past is will be target lists, both for the opressors to destroy and for desperate exploiters to plunder. A mix of projects -- - some with explicit locations like these coordinates - some with vague lists like 200-300 locations in the continental US - some with no presence at all is best. Other information to consider including -- - software implementations (the Debian archive and source code) - human language references - scientific datasets and paper archives - scientific source code and reproducibility instructions - farming data and scientific methods - practical how-to information such as Farmer's Almanac -andy -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
[liberationtech] Facebook has been removed old restriction for Iranian
Hi, FYI, Facebook has removed 'restricted access' to Facebook developers platform for Iranian. [ this restricted were include all Iranian[s] and not specific range of IPs) Thanks Nariman @Listentous -- PGP: 084F 95C0 BD1B B15A 129C 90DB A539 6393 6999 CBB6 -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Facebook has been removed old restriction for Iranian
On 2014-08-25 05:10, Nariman Gharib wrote: Hi, FYI, Facebook has removed 'restricted access' to Facebook developers platform for Iranian. [ this restricted were include all Iranian[s] and not specific range of IPs) Nice! :D Though SSL is still throttled for connections coming out of the country. ~Griffin -- I believe that usability is a security concern; systems that do not pay close attention to the human interaction factors involved risk failing to provide security by failing to attract users. ~Len Sassaman -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] economic cost of lost emails.
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 04:40:26PM -0300, J.M. Porup wrote: If we really want a permanent archive of humanity's work, we need to build some kind of distributed Noah's Ark. Archive.org is no good (book depositories are the first to go when the book-burning starts), and asking the book-burners at the NSA and GCHQ to guard our civilization's store of knowledge is laughable on its face. Something P2P, maybe blockchain-based, might work. Convincing people of the reality and urgency of the threat is another matter. The library community has the right term for this: LOCKSS (Lots of copies keeps stuff safe). Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
[liberationtech] Does the White House’s cybersecurity czar need to be a coder? He says no.
Lack of technical expertise is apparently a plus in the world of federal cybersecurity: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/08/22/does-the-white-houses-cybersecurity-czar-need-to-be-a-coder-he-says-no/ -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] economic cost of lost emails.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014, at 03:03, Andy Isaacson wrote: On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 04:40:26PM -0300, J.M. Porup wrote: If we really want a permanent archive of humanity's work, we need to build some kind of distributed Noah's Ark. Archive.org is no good (book depositories are the first to go when the book-burning starts), and asking the book-burners at the NSA and GCHQ to guard our civilization's store of knowledge is laughable on its face. Something P2P, maybe blockchain-based, might work. Convincing people of the reality and urgency of the threat is another matter. A diversity of tactics is best. Given a useful archive of knowledge (the complete wikipedia edit history in all languages, including deleted and censored data, would be a good start), we need to store it in hundreds of places -- - on microsd cards in waterproof cases buried underground - on archival DVD-R - microprinted on metal foil or volume-optimized paper substrates, buried in obscure locations - on cubesats (but LEO is not a friendly place for multidecade storage, you need MEO at least to avoid deorbiting) - on long-term electronic storage media including naked-eye readable instructions on how to access it (what do you MEAN you can't read a Acorn LaserDisc!?) Folks doing this should be cautious of being completely visible, since in the hypothesized interregnum the lists of where the knowledge from the past is will be target lists, both for the opressors to destroy and for desperate exploiters to plunder. A mix of projects -- - some with explicit locations like these coordinates - some with vague lists like 200-300 locations in the continental US - some with no presence at all is best. Other information to consider including -- - software implementations (the Debian archive and source code) - human language references - scientific datasets and paper archives - scientific source code and reproducibility instructions - farming data and scientific methods - practical how-to information such as Farmer's Almanac -andy Anyone know any dissident billionaires willing to fund such a project? Maybe Pierre Omidyar would be interested... Jens -- J.M. Porup www.JMPorup.com -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] economic cost of lost emails.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 04:24:02PM -0300, J.M. Porup wrote: Folks doing this should be cautious of being completely visible, since in the hypothesized interregnum the lists of where the knowledge from the past is will be target lists, both for the opressors to destroy and for desperate exploiters to plunder. A mix of projects -- - some with explicit locations like these coordinates - some with vague lists like 200-300 locations in the continental US - some with no presence at all is best. Other information to consider including -- - software implementations (the Debian archive and source code) - human language references - scientific datasets and paper archives - scientific source code and reproducibility instructions - farming data and scientific methods - practical how-to information such as Farmer's Almanac -andy Anyone know any dissident billionaires willing to fund such a project? Maybe Pierre Omidyar would be interested... We need a Long Knowledge team. (Maybe Long Now would be interested.) Renegate Librarians to help us collate, arrange, choose, and index the knowledge. Data storage research into ways to store data for the long term, with bootstrapping help for from-scratch informationseekers. Collections Curators to assemble the desired information on a yearly basis for the next crop of seeds. Distributed Storage networking for online collaboration on all the above. Independent Planters creating their own instantiations of the seeds (using disparate funding) to store in locations worldwide and off planet against future disasters. and other specialties not yet enumerated ... -andy -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] economic cost of lost emails.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/24/2014 12:40 PM, J.M. Porup wrote: Something P2P, maybe blockchain-based, might work. Convincing people of the reality and urgency of the threat is another matter. Making local copies is not ornerous. It can be as simple as hitting ^s to save a page, or printing it to a file. Or it can be as complex as using Scrapbook to make an instant local copy of a page. It's a habit that has to be gotten into, but is well worth it. - -- The Doctor [412/724/301/703] [ZS] Developer, Project Byzantium: http://project-byzantium.org/ PGP: 0x807B17C1 / 7960 1CDC 85C9 0B63 8D9F DD89 3BD8 FF2B 807B 17C1 WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ PRESS PLAY ON TAPE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJT+6X8AAoJED1np1pUQ8RkiO8P/08s8NnYjS/U9Hc5HOjUxVgr ol9Qv1LSpY/WMtzvTTY0EFDs8CfrMEQ0Ak8pva/pPuhiH61Fq13E3fPXHHiTwSOe XKiaejSotsURZvchIcPoaoUIMUZVcNlwUQekIoHKqTYWI3hP9N63uQ8k1UZlkhav QfjTdlW6pVdMBBBp+aphWkM1dU4LBIOe4pSWv05UCISbKB6MyHUvZi9zcXFZho1c fhs7N87VD5ZMC/ypSFD5VA1bZxreqfivtEKt/YjoNzMdcRgAAXxyQt/Hs3NroZPX dqXtx4OXmPbqXdg1nqj3H/S1V+/6oRrSTXTYIuRBNCrIm6xhqDNeB1feEl0cFbR2 w6lsROrwx/LeLvK2cJQA/q4YNHOr5oWZ5b4IawOsgZSK2KH5gpjVJGxWTE/k+iTs gl13ud3GDh7cvHS2vrse8Ef2/0A0BwgE2i8jv3EH8jBJI8vojDeErEXUDYlr56mh nf+3HRnfQdIYJ9oEfReYxICWcadn/qv/SxIP3b8BE9vQI0Ufov5uK1g9NMnhD249 9KzO3lvlikddJRbnSYinmi8LwJwjOR8oBIEMbAWuEY23RHXWjUC5/IzcGCd3B0jd eGatrGPwzBR3TAua9C1MCYBz7ZT+FMOUHHU+gEdP58g9v3Ean8jWb6GYsDItMG8/ ScQ8M/4SuT3aE2LmTbwR =uK0s -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Surviving the Coming Data Purge
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/24/2014 04:41 PM, Al Billings wrote: No offense but those things aren’t contained in my email. Just because they are not found in yours does not mean they are not in the e-mail correspondence of others. - -- The Doctor [412/724/301/703] [ZS] Developer, Project Byzantium: http://project-byzantium.org/ PGP: 0x807B17C1 / 7960 1CDC 85C9 0B63 8D9F DD89 3BD8 FF2B 807B 17C1 WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ PRESS PLAY ON TAPE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJT+6bAAAoJED1np1pUQ8Rkeg0P/2pksso9m48GFQDFofGg4Rgk 5P/afDlmG2BM/MgswOkeIglklBbez9GXya3Ts0350OIDqkVgW0WbfBMupwK1Vmdf EvBwEuBsKjlzmJ1i1hJQjaMUZfi9hWWQPFUqAi3lVkKczwMu+cRnJLp7Mg0RHkDP bFX1Mvtrl/SHKoGDai/EVqqRq5HELw0LlSoeU0KFep801z4NpraqA8h0rOW2u+AX VlYfJT5r2l1sre7+/WkcGZP0LFZgWzRO657l5a4r5Vw04E+J+cddRMFHSKnmhSsK QpQi5fUCFaGuaMy1CjwgKhBoVa5KuWPXVmc5vVfgPwBGQoc2zfX8JyfivWrhijbC l36tL2wJv26KFXO8Q4sisjsc0d9jYUnPNVoXmUPdrnFuHqKEJ8jcYJl1DtrVzQY7 Djd067lZIR2kgzPkJGoPloLoJolNHO1wrZobWTdsAx1KEfTT3/Dq0g5Scf0Bw7px xpmh+VT3pdV/Qk6O2ut2eOK0lnxGv+1hu7P8JKfJ/g8V2bo2uporoUPeXpdFa52d FFN8xW8He0Kez0vPMQ83wwjsHXMKcNoOfwhRf7NRYcPL3C62flRjOpInRdm5sh/V BZXMqPUvQcgtvIqzf5h3J51FmAGXtbHir+0vFND/AG57uVEN2YWh1MuB9uUikx4Q cBYkqVkIxLcmQqXm9Mxx =8vDu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
[liberationtech] Fwd: economic cost of lost emails.
Hey guys, I'm adding myself to this list (I was in class of 2010 (CS) -- wow i'm old...) Natanael, Jens, very glad to see you raising these concerns. I see the burning of the library as the worst tragedy to befall humanity yet... and that's a big statement made with clear understanding of genocides, epidemics, etc. Sagan has a great telling of the story in Cosmos ep1. They are *exactly* what drove me to make IPFS and Filecoin. (which, funnily, are precisely in that design line of thinking Natanael ;) ) Anyway, please see these links. More discussion later - IPFS: ipfs.io (see the talk at 2x) and http://static.benet.ai/t/ipfs.pdf - Filecoin filecoin.io (see the whitepaper there) And, if you believe in the same things I do, help build this. I'm hiring, so reach out. Juan -- Forwarded message -- From: Juan Batiz-Benet j...@benet.ai Date: Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [liberationtech] economic cost of lost emails. To: Feross Aboukhadijeh fer...@feross.org thanks for the heads up!! Adding myself to list. Juan On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Feross Aboukhadijeh fer...@feross.org wrote: Whoa, this guy on libtech just described IPFS! I'd give you a shoutout myself but I'm on mobile only, heading to burning man now. Get on that! -- Forwarded message -- From: *Natanael* natanae...@gmail.com Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014 Subject: Re: [liberationtech] economic cost of lost emails. To: liberationtech liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu A blockchain of torrent magnet links, of archives of all kinds of data like everything public that Archive.org holds? Then you both have it all accessible and you can that verify everybody sees the same version. I've been thinking of a sci-fi story concept of archivers collecting and indexing absolutely everything that matters in a structured append-only database of sorts (side story, but necessary in my sci-fi world). Everything would be tagged and sorted and categorized and annotated. It would be like a P2P Git with more metadata and the ability to search with all sorts of filters, essentially an open Google/Wolfram Alpha given a smart enough endpoint, with a bit of IBM Watson. There would be plenty of separate projects all maintaining their own archives, of which some would be thoroughly vetted for authencity, and all updates ever would be signed by the contributors/archivers. Kind of Wikipedia actually, but with all sorts of filetypes and a full semantic web, with the hash chain structure of which Git and Bitcoin share to prove the history of the data, and digital signatures. It would already be possible to build today (it doesn't need any new exotic algorithms or other inventions), but designing it can be incredibly hard considering you'd have to figure out a standard way to handle cross-referencing and annotation across all kinds of filetypes, and that you need to define a data structure that won't need to be replaced every few months because of frequently discovered limitations. - Sent from my phone Den 24 aug 2014 21:40 skrev J.M. Porup j...@porup.com: On Sun, Aug 24, 2014, at 15:19, taltman wrote: I don't know exactly what is meant by eventuality of digital book burning, but here's my opinion on the nuts and bolts of protecting your data: I believe we are approaching a Library of Alexandria moment. We have created an Information Age in which nothing is secure, and deleting unwanted information (thought crime) is trivial. Furthermore, infotech has redistributed power from the people to the government. It would be naive to expect this power to go unabused. Totalitarianism is in the wind. If we really want a permanent archive of humanity's work, we need to build some kind of distributed Noah's Ark. Archive.org is no good (book depositories are the first to go when the book-burning starts), and asking the book-burners at the NSA and GCHQ to guard our civilization's store of knowledge is laughable on its face. Something P2P, maybe blockchain-based, might work. Convincing people of the reality and urgency of the threat is another matter. Jens -- J.M. Porup www.JMPorup.com -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- *Feross* | blog http://feross.org/ | webtorrent http://webtorrent.io/ | studynotes http://www.apstudynotes.org/ -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
