Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel

2013-07-10 Thread Moustache 
> Hi,
>
> What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and
> other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just
> for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies
> and more. This is a threat model that "many have known" and yet at the
> same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing
> confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also
> learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by
> name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if
> America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to
> use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to
> think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost.
> Though hope alone is not a strategy.
>
> I think this may be of interest to people on the list:
>
>   http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/index-7028.html
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/snowden-enthuellung-verbindung-zur-nsa-bringt-bnd-in-erklaerungsnot-a-909884.html
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/us-lauschangriff-opposition-macht-druck-auf-merkel-a-909871.html
>
> For non-German speakers I suggest the following English links:
>
>   http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/whistle_blowers/
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/whistleblower-snowden-claims-german-intelligence-in-bed-with-nsa-a-909904.html
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/edward-snowden-accuses-germany-of-aiding-nsa-in-spying-efforts-a-909847.html
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/snowden-reveals-how-gchq-in-britain-soaks-up-mass-internet-data-a-909852.htmlv
>
> My interview with Snowden is available as a leaked pdf on cryptome in
> German:
>
>   http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm
>   http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707.pdf
>   http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-2.pdf
>
> The English original will be released this week.
>
> Last week's article is also very important:
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-documents-nsa-targeted-germany-and-eu-buildings-a-908609.html
>
> This is also probably of great interest to people on the list:
>
>
> http://oglobo.globo.com/infograficos/volume-rastreamento-governo-americano/
>
> http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com/2013/07/nsa-surveillance-of-australia-exposed.html
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html
>
> Welcome to the Grim Meathook Future, Citizens! Lets turn this ship around!
>
> All the best,
> Jacob
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Hello list,

Jacob, any insight on how the interview took place from a technical point
of view?

I suppose preventive measures were taken from all parties in order to
avoid leaking Snowden identity as it would have put an end to his grand
plan, even more as he was still in Hawaii at the time of the interview.
How did you/he managed the risk here specially as Snowden knew about the
full scope of the NSA monitoring program and you didn't.

The only info I have seen on this is Snowden allegedly created new set of
PGP keys[1], but it can't have been enough for him.

Also, a quote on the cryptome page[2] says "The following questions are
excerpted from a larger interview that covered numerous topics, many of
which are highly technical in nature". Is the full interview available
somewhere? If not why?

Just curious, thanks.

[1] http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-poitras-appelbaum.htm
[2] http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm

-moustache

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Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel

2013-07-08 Thread LilBambi 
That is an excellent article at Boston Review. And it contains many of the
same thought processes many of us made when such ludicrous accusations were
made regarding Snowden and that he should have worked within the system. I
know I worked through in my mind how that would have worked and the general
public would not be made aware of all of this IMHO without him going
OUTSIDE the system.

I feel he did what was best for We The People. And We The People should
somehow ensure he is protected for doing that from action that 'our own'
government may try to do to him.  But I have no idea how that would be done.


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:51 PM, David Johnson wrote:

> Along similar lines, I'd like to recommend Archon Fung's thoughts on
> Snowden and what it means for American democracy and journalism ...
>
>
> https://www.bostonreview.net/blog/what-snowden-affair-tells-us-about-american-democracy
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 4:36 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and
>> other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just
>> for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies
>> and more. This is a threat model that "many have known" and yet at the
>> same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing
>> confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also
>> learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by
>> name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if
>> America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to
>> use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to
>> think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost.
>> Though hope alone is not a strategy.
>>
>> I think this may be of interest to people on the list:
>>
>>   http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/index-7028.html
>>
>>
>> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/snowden-enthuellung-verbindung-zur-nsa-bringt-bnd-in-erklaerungsnot-a-909884.html
>>
>>
>> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/us-lauschangriff-opposition-macht-druck-auf-merkel-a-909871.html
>>
>> For non-German speakers I suggest the following English links:
>>
>>   http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/whistle_blowers/
>>
>>
>> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/whistleblower-snowden-claims-german-intelligence-in-bed-with-nsa-a-909904.html
>>
>>
>> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/edward-snowden-accuses-germany-of-aiding-nsa-in-spying-efforts-a-909847.html
>>
>>
>> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/snowden-reveals-how-gchq-in-britain-soaks-up-mass-internet-data-a-909852.htmlv
>>
>> My interview with Snowden is available as a leaked pdf on cryptome in
>> German:
>>
>>   http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm
>>   http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707.pdf
>>   http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-2.pdf
>>
>> The English original will be released this week.
>>
>> Last week's article is also very important:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-documents-nsa-targeted-germany-and-eu-buildings-a-908609.html
>>
>> This is also probably of great interest to people on the list:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://oglobo.globo.com/infograficos/volume-rastreamento-governo-americano/
>>
>>
>> http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com/2013/07/nsa-surveillance-of-australia-exposed.html
>>
>>
>> http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html
>>
>> Welcome to the Grim Meathook Future, Citizens! Lets turn this ship around!
>>
>> All the best,
>> Jacob
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Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel

2013-07-08 Thread David Johnson 
Along similar lines, I'd like to recommend Archon Fung's thoughts on
Snowden and what it means for American democracy and journalism ...

https://www.bostonreview.net/blog/what-snowden-affair-tells-us-about-american-democracy


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 4:36 AM, Jacob Appelbaum  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and
> other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just
> for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies
> and more. This is a threat model that "many have known" and yet at the
> same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing
> confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also
> learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by
> name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if
> America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to
> use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to
> think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost.
> Though hope alone is not a strategy.
>
> I think this may be of interest to people on the list:
>
>   http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/index-7028.html
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/snowden-enthuellung-verbindung-zur-nsa-bringt-bnd-in-erklaerungsnot-a-909884.html
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/us-lauschangriff-opposition-macht-druck-auf-merkel-a-909871.html
>
> For non-German speakers I suggest the following English links:
>
>   http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/whistle_blowers/
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/whistleblower-snowden-claims-german-intelligence-in-bed-with-nsa-a-909904.html
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/edward-snowden-accuses-germany-of-aiding-nsa-in-spying-efforts-a-909847.html
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/snowden-reveals-how-gchq-in-britain-soaks-up-mass-internet-data-a-909852.htmlv
>
> My interview with Snowden is available as a leaked pdf on cryptome in
> German:
>
>   http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm
>   http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707.pdf
>   http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-2.pdf
>
> The English original will be released this week.
>
> Last week's article is also very important:
>
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-documents-nsa-targeted-germany-and-eu-buildings-a-908609.html
>
> This is also probably of great interest to people on the list:
>
>
> http://oglobo.globo.com/infograficos/volume-rastreamento-governo-americano/
>
>
> http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com/2013/07/nsa-surveillance-of-australia-exposed.html
>
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html
>
> Welcome to the Grim Meathook Future, Citizens! Lets turn this ship around!
>
> All the best,
> Jacob
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Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel

2013-07-08 Thread Anne Roth 
There is a translation by humans now as well. I didn't check it but I
assume it's better than the automated one

http://www.cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm

Anne

. Am 08.07.13 15:29, schrieb Griffin Boyce:
> Grim Meathook Future indeed.
> 
> For everyone reading the English text, keep in mind that it is from
> Google Translate.  But I couldn't be patient either.
> 
> Thanks for helping to bring these stories to light. I sincerely hope
> that nothing too terrible happens as a result.
> 
> There's that old Orwell quote that goes "In a time of universal deceit,
> telling the truth is a revolutionary act."  But for me, I think that in
> a time of universal deceit, everyone becomes a whistleblower by
> necessity.  Everyone must evaluate their existing beliefs, and see if
> they hold water.
> 
> Best,
> Griffin
> 
> -- 
> Sent from a tracking device. Please excuse typocetera.
> 
> 
> On Jul 8, 2013 7:36 AM, "Jacob Appelbaum"  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and
> other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just
> for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies
> and more. This is a threat model that "many have known" and yet at the
> same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing
> confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also
> learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by
> name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if
> America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to
> use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to
> think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost.
> Though hope alone is not a strategy.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel

2013-07-08 Thread Doug Schuler 

> Lets turn this ship around!

Exactly!

And I assume we have permission to distribute your note, Jacob?

Thanks for all this work (everybody).  Needless to say, not all of the work 
before us is  technological…

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On Jul 8, 2013, at 4:36 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and
> other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just
> for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies
> and more. This is a threat model that "many have known" and yet at the
> same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing
> confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also
> learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by
> name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if
> America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to
> use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to
> think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost.
> Though hope alone is not a strategy.
> 
> I think this may be of interest to people on the list:
> 
>  http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/index-7028.html
> 
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/snowden-enthuellung-verbindung-zur-nsa-bringt-bnd-in-erklaerungsnot-a-909884.html
> 
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/us-lauschangriff-opposition-macht-druck-auf-merkel-a-909871.html
> 
> For non-German speakers I suggest the following English links:
> 
>  http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/whistle_blowers/
> 
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/whistleblower-snowden-claims-german-intelligence-in-bed-with-nsa-a-909904.html
> 
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/edward-snowden-accuses-germany-of-aiding-nsa-in-spying-efforts-a-909847.html
> 
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/snowden-reveals-how-gchq-in-britain-soaks-up-mass-internet-data-a-909852.htmlv
> 
> My interview with Snowden is available as a leaked pdf on cryptome in
> German:
> 
>  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm
>  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707.pdf
>  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-2.pdf
> 
> The English original will be released this week.
> 
> Last week's article is also very important:
> 
> 
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-documents-nsa-targeted-germany-and-eu-buildings-a-908609.html
> 
> This is also probably of great interest to people on the list:
> 
> 
> http://oglobo.globo.com/infograficos/volume-rastreamento-governo-americano/
> 
> http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com/2013/07/nsa-surveillance-of-australia-exposed.html
> 
> http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html
> 
> Welcome to the Grim Meathook Future, Citizens! Lets turn this ship around!
> 
> All the best,
> Jacob
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Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel

2013-07-08 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes 
Even if the quote is "apocryphal," I'm pretty sure George Orwell
wouldn't mind it, since it reflects the spirit of 1984 & "Animal
Farm", as opposed to "doublespeak"
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On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, R. Jason Cronk  wrote:
> On 7/8/2013 9:29 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote:
>
> In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
>
> FYI. this quote is questionably attributable to Orwell
>
> http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/02/24/truth-revolutionary/
>
>
>
> R. Jason Cronk, Esq., CIPP/US
> Privacy Engineering Consultant, Enterprivacy Consulting Group
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Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel

2013-07-08 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes 
Oh, wait! George Orwell was supposedly talking about "the communists!"
Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,

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On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
 wrote:
> Even if the quote is "apocryphal," I'm pretty sure George Orwell
> wouldn't mind it, since it reflects the spirit of 1984 & "Animal
> Farm", as opposed to "doublespeak"
> Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,
>
> Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
> 
> +1 (817) 271-9619
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, R. Jason Cronk  
> wrote:
>> On 7/8/2013 9:29 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote:
>>
>> In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
>>
>> FYI. this quote is questionably attributable to Orwell
>>
>> http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/02/24/truth-revolutionary/
>>
>>
>>
>> R. Jason Cronk, Esq., CIPP/US
>> Privacy Engineering Consultant, Enterprivacy Consulting Group
>>
>> phone: (828) 4RJCESQ
>> twitter: @privacymaverick.com
>> blog: http://blog.privacymaverick.com
>>
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Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel

2013-07-08 Thread R. Jason Cronk 

On 7/8/2013 9:29 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote:

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

FYI. this quote is questionably attributable to Orwell

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/02/24/truth-revolutionary/



*R. Jason Cronk, Esq., CIPP/US*
/Privacy Engineering Consultant/, *Enterprivacy Consulting Group* 



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Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel

2013-07-08 Thread Griffin Boyce 
Grim Meathook Future indeed.

For everyone reading the English text, keep in mind that it is from Google
Translate.  But I couldn't be patient either.

Thanks for helping to bring these stories to light. I sincerely hope that
nothing too terrible happens as a result.

There's that old Orwell quote that goes "In a time of universal deceit,
telling the truth is a revolutionary act."  But for me, I think that in a
time of universal deceit, everyone becomes a whistleblower by necessity.
 Everyone must evaluate their existing beliefs, and see if they hold water.

Best,
Griffin

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On Jul 8, 2013 7:36 AM, "Jacob Appelbaum"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and
> other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just
> for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies
> and more. This is a threat model that "many have known" and yet at the
> same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing
> confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also
> learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by
> name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if
> America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to
> use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to
> think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost.
> Though hope alone is not a strategy.
>
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Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel

2013-07-08 Thread Shava Nerad 
I've always acted as though everything was transparent to examination, and
encryption was something I did as a favor for the other people in my life.
 So I guess that makes me more tin hat than all of y'all in a way...;)   I
grew up in a world where people just walked in your house or office and
took your stuff and rifled through it at leisure.  That's the issue the
folks we talked to in Vietnam had -- they said encryption ultimately didn't
do them much good, Tor didn't either -- they didn't have physical security.
 I don't assume much, ultimately.  I saw my dad's FBI files.  My godfather
worked at Beacon Press during Watergate.

It's why I'm here...

SN

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Jason Gulledge  wrote:

> As an activist, this is pretty damned frightening:
>
> (excerpt from  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm)
>
> *Question:*
> What happens if the NSA has a user in its sights?
>
> *Snowden:*
> The target person is completely monitored. An analyst will get a daily
> report about what has changed in the computer system of the targeted
> person. There will also be... packages with certain data which the
> automatic analysis systems have not understood, and so on. The analyst can
> then decide what he wants to do - the computer of the target person does
> not belong to them anymore, it then more or less belongs to the U.S.
> government.
>
>
> This has ominous implications. I worry about the private encryption keys
> on the computers of people in the "sights" of the NSA.
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and
> other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just
> for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies
> and more. This is a threat model that "many have known" and yet at the
> same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing
> confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also
> learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by
> name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if
> America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to
> use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to
> think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost.
> Though hope alone is not a strategy.
>
> I think this may be of interest to people on the list:
>
>  http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/index-7028.html
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/snowden-enthuellung-verbindung-zur-nsa-bringt-bnd-in-erklaerungsnot-a-909884.html
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/us-lauschangriff-opposition-macht-druck-auf-merkel-a-909871.html
>
> For non-German speakers I suggest the following English links:
>
>  http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/whistle_blowers/
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/whistleblower-snowden-claims-german-intelligence-in-bed-with-nsa-a-909904.html
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/edward-snowden-accuses-germany-of-aiding-nsa-in-spying-efforts-a-909847.html
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/snowden-reveals-how-gchq-in-britain-soaks-up-mass-internet-data-a-909852.htmlv
>
> My interview with Snowden is available as a leaked pdf on cryptome in
> German:
>
>  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm
>  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707.pdf
>  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-2.pdf
>
> The English original will be released this week.
>
> Last week's article is also very important:
>
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-documents-nsa-targeted-germany-and-eu-buildings-a-908609.html
>
> This is also probably of great interest to people on the list:
>
>
> http://oglobo.globo.com/infograficos/volume-rastreamento-governo-americano/
>
>
> http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com/2013/07/nsa-surveillance-of-australia-exposed.html
>
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html
>
> Welcome to the Grim Meathook Future, Citizens! Lets turn this ship around!
>
> All the best,
> Jacob
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Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel

2013-07-08 Thread LilBambi 
Very important information. Thank you Jacob.


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Jason Gulledge  wrote:

> As an activist, this is pretty damned frightening:
>
> (excerpt from  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm)
>
> *Question:*
> What happens if the NSA has a user in its sights?
>
> *Snowden:*
> The target person is completely monitored. An analyst will get a daily
> report about what has changed in the computer system of the targeted
> person. There will also be... packages with certain data which the
> automatic analysis systems have not understood, and so on. The analyst can
> then decide what he wants to do - the computer of the target person does
> not belong to them anymore, it then more or less belongs to the U.S.
> government.
>
>
> This has ominous implications. I worry about the private encryption keys
> on the computers of people in the "sights" of the NSA.
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and
> other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just
> for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies
> and more. This is a threat model that "many have known" and yet at the
> same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing
> confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also
> learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by
> name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if
> America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to
> use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to
> think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost.
> Though hope alone is not a strategy.
>
> I think this may be of interest to people on the list:
>
>  http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/index-7028.html
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/snowden-enthuellung-verbindung-zur-nsa-bringt-bnd-in-erklaerungsnot-a-909884.html
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/us-lauschangriff-opposition-macht-druck-auf-merkel-a-909871.html
>
> For non-German speakers I suggest the following English links:
>
>  http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/whistle_blowers/
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/whistleblower-snowden-claims-german-intelligence-in-bed-with-nsa-a-909904.html
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/edward-snowden-accuses-germany-of-aiding-nsa-in-spying-efforts-a-909847.html
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/snowden-reveals-how-gchq-in-britain-soaks-up-mass-internet-data-a-909852.htmlv
>
> My interview with Snowden is available as a leaked pdf on cryptome in
> German:
>
>  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm
>  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707.pdf
>  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-2.pdf
>
> The English original will be released this week.
>
> Last week's article is also very important:
>
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-documents-nsa-targeted-germany-and-eu-buildings-a-908609.html
>
> This is also probably of great interest to people on the list:
>
>
> http://oglobo.globo.com/infograficos/volume-rastreamento-governo-americano/
>
>
> http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com/2013/07/nsa-surveillance-of-australia-exposed.html
>
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html
>
> Welcome to the Grim Meathook Future, Citizens! Lets turn this ship around!
>
> All the best,
> Jacob
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Re: [liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel

2013-07-08 Thread Jason Gulledge 
As an activist, this is pretty damned frightening:

(excerpt from  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm)
Question:

What happens if the NSA has a user in its sights?
Snowden:

The target person is completely monitored. An analyst will get a daily report 
about what has changed in the computer system of the targeted person. There 
will also be... packages with certain data which the automatic analysis systems 
have not understood, and so on. The analyst can then decide what he wants to do 
- the computer of the target person does not belong to them anymore, it then 
more or less belongs to the U.S. government.


This has ominous implications. I worry about the private encryption keys on the 
computers of people in the "sights" of the NSA. 


On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and
> other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just
> for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies
> and more. This is a threat model that "many have known" and yet at the
> same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing
> confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also
> learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by
> name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if
> America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to
> use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to
> think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost.
> Though hope alone is not a strategy.
> 
> I think this may be of interest to people on the list:
> 
>  http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/index-7028.html
> 
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/snowden-enthuellung-verbindung-zur-nsa-bringt-bnd-in-erklaerungsnot-a-909884.html
> 
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/us-lauschangriff-opposition-macht-druck-auf-merkel-a-909871.html
> 
> For non-German speakers I suggest the following English links:
> 
>  http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/whistle_blowers/
> 
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/whistleblower-snowden-claims-german-intelligence-in-bed-with-nsa-a-909904.html
> 
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/edward-snowden-accuses-germany-of-aiding-nsa-in-spying-efforts-a-909847.html
> 
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/snowden-reveals-how-gchq-in-britain-soaks-up-mass-internet-data-a-909852.htmlv
> 
> My interview with Snowden is available as a leaked pdf on cryptome in
> German:
> 
>  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm
>  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707.pdf
>  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-2.pdf
> 
> The English original will be released this week.
> 
> Last week's article is also very important:
> 
> 
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-documents-nsa-targeted-germany-and-eu-buildings-a-908609.html
> 
> This is also probably of great interest to people on the list:
> 
> 
> http://oglobo.globo.com/infograficos/volume-rastreamento-governo-americano/
> 
> http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com/2013/07/nsa-surveillance-of-australia-exposed.html
> 
> http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html
> 
> Welcome to the Grim Meathook Future, Citizens! Lets turn this ship around!
> 
> All the best,
> Jacob
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[liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel

2013-07-08 Thread Jacob Appelbaum 
Hi,

What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and
other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just
for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies
and more. This is a threat model that "many have known" and yet at the
same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing
confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also
learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by
name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if
America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to
use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to
think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost.
Though hope alone is not a strategy.

I think this may be of interest to people on the list:

  http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/index-7028.html

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/snowden-enthuellung-verbindung-zur-nsa-bringt-bnd-in-erklaerungsnot-a-909884.html

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/us-lauschangriff-opposition-macht-druck-auf-merkel-a-909871.html

For non-German speakers I suggest the following English links:

  http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/whistle_blowers/

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/whistleblower-snowden-claims-german-intelligence-in-bed-with-nsa-a-909904.html

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/edward-snowden-accuses-germany-of-aiding-nsa-in-spying-efforts-a-909847.html

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/snowden-reveals-how-gchq-in-britain-soaks-up-mass-internet-data-a-909852.htmlv

My interview with Snowden is available as a leaked pdf on cryptome in
German:

  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-en.htm
  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707.pdf
  http://cryptome.org/2013/07/snowden-spiegel-13-0707-2.pdf

The English original will be released this week.

Last week's article is also very important:


http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-documents-nsa-targeted-germany-and-eu-buildings-a-908609.html

This is also probably of great interest to people on the list:


http://oglobo.globo.com/infograficos/volume-rastreamento-governo-americano/

http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com/2013/07/nsa-surveillance-of-australia-exposed.html

http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html

Welcome to the Grim Meathook Future, Citizens! Lets turn this ship around!

All the best,
Jacob
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