[liberationtech] Feedback for debate on encryption with former FBI General Counsel
From: Peter Swire pe...@peterswire.net On Monday, November 17 the New America Foundation will be hosting a debate on the topic of FBI Director Comey’s criticisms of Apple and Google for the encryption changes to their phones. The moderator will be Nancy Libin, formerly of both CDT and the Department of Justice. Former FBI General Counsel Andrew Weissmann will be presenting the Comey side of the argument. Andrew is an experienced litigator, former head of the Enron Task Force and other major prosecutions. I was in school years ago with Andrew, and the debate will be on the merits but not personal. With that said, only the best arguments will work. With that in mind, I was wondering if readers of your list might send (off-list) resources to prepare for the debate? Many people, in diverse outlets, have been writing about these topics. Although I am currently in the midst of hiring a full-time researcher, I don’t have that help at the moment. If useful, I could circulate a bibliography once the debate happens. For those in DC, the debate will be 4:00 to 5:30 p.m. at New America, address 1899 L St. NW #400. it will be webcast, and may be on C-Span. Thanks, Peter Prof. Peter Swire Nancy J. Lawrence P. Huang Professor Law and Ethics Program Scheller College of Business Georgia Institute of Technology pe...@peterswire.net 240.994.4142 www.peterswire.net-- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Feedback for debate on encryption with former FBI General Counsel
So it's a former FBI lawyer vs. the former FBI lawyer's friend who doesn't use SSL, doesn't have a GPG key/fingerprint on his site, nor really any time to do his own research on a foundational principle in his area of expertise. I do not think this will end up being a very vigorous debate, but I'd very much love to be wrong. Best, Jonathan On Friday, November 7, 2014 6:20 PM, Yosem Companys compa...@stanford.edu wrote: From: Peter Swire pe...@peterswire.net On Monday, November 17 the New America Foundation will be hosting a debate on the topic of FBI Director Comey’s criticisms of Apple and Google for the encryption changes to their phones. The moderator will be Nancy Libin, formerly of both CDT and the Department of Justice. Former FBI General Counsel Andrew Weissmann will be presenting the Comey side of the argument. Andrew is an experienced litigator, former head of the Enron Task Force and other major prosecutions. I was in school years ago with Andrew, and the debate will be on the merits but not personal. With that said, only the best arguments will work. With that in mind, I was wondering if readers of your list might send (off-list) resources to prepare for the debate? Many people, in diverse outlets, have been writing about these topics. Although I am currently in the midst of hiring a full-time researcher, I don’t have that help at the moment. If useful, I could circulate a bibliography once the debate happens. For those in DC, the debate will be 4:00 to 5:30 p.m. at New America, address 1899 L St. NW #400. it will be webcast, and may be on C-Span. Thanks, Peter Prof. Peter Swire Nancy J. Lawrence P. Huang Professor Law and Ethics Program Scheller College of Business Georgia Institute of Technology pe...@peterswire.net 240.994.4142 www.peterswire.net -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.-- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Feedback for debate on encryption with former FBI General Counsel
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 12:53 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: I do not think this will end up being a very vigorous debate, but I'd very much love to be wrong. Of course, the advocacy strategy where one alienates potential allies based on completely pertinent qualifications until they are the last person standing in the purest possible state. Excellent choice, well reasoned and a wholly appropriate level of hubris to match as well – who is this person, who has written on privacy and the law for over a decade http://peterswire.net/non_academic_publication/ to tell others to tell *us* anything *without signing his invitation with a public key*. The nerve. Thank you Jonathan, I look forward to your further critical contributions to the public discourse. Cordially, Collin P.S. – nice Yahoo! account. -- *Collin David Anderson* averysmallbird.com | @cda | Washington, D.C. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Feedback for debate on encryption with former FBI General Counsel
Hello Jonathan: A bit of snark, perhaps? On no time to do research, I think it’s reasonable to reach out to a knowledgeable community for assistance. The search terms of Comey, Apple, Google, encryption — not great. I happen to be without real research help at the moment, but if there are cybersecurity and privacy folks out there, here’s the job posting that’s open now for a full-time job doing that with me: http://scheller.gatech.edu/why-scheller/work-at-tech/current-opportunities.html. In terms of the substance, a selection of prior work: “Encryption and Globalization” (2012): http://ssrn.com/abstract=1960602 “From Real-Time Intercepts to Stored Records: Why Encryption Drives the Government to Seek Access to the Cloud” (2012), http://ssrn.com/abstract=2038871 “Going Dark vs. the Golden Age of Surveillance,” (2011): http://www.futureofprivacy.org/wp-content/uploads/Going-Dark-Versus-a-Golden-Age-for-Surveillance-Peter-Swire-and-Kenesa-A.pdf Press coverage of all of that that said it was helpful: http://www.networkworld.com/article/657/microsoft-subnet/the-more-you-encrypt--the-more-the-government-breaks-into-your-cloud.html White House briefing on change in encryption export control policy, when I chaired the White House Working Group on Encryption (1999): http://intellit.muskingum.edu/cryptography_folder/encryption2.htm Also, the tech community has been positive toward Recommendation 29 about encryption in President Obama’s Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technology: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2013-12-12_rg_final_report.pdf. I don’t think it’s a sign of weakness or laziness to ask for help in crafting better arguments in a debate on important issues. Cheerfully yours, Peter Prof. Peter Swire Nancy J. Lawrence P. Huang Professor Law and Ethics Program Scheller College of Business Georgia Institute of Technology 240.994.4142 www.peterswire.net From: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.commailto:jancs...@yahoo.com Reply-To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.commailto:jancs...@yahoo.com Date: Friday, November 7, 2014 at 7:53 PM To: liberationtech liberationtech@lists.stanford.edumailto:liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu, Liberation Technologies liberationt...@mailman.stanford.edumailto:liberationt...@mailman.stanford.edu Cc: Peter Swire pe...@peterswire.netmailto:pe...@peterswire.net Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Feedback for debate on encryption with former FBI General Counsel So it's a former FBI lawyer vs. the former FBI lawyer's friend who doesn't use SSL, doesn't have a GPG key/fingerprint on his site, nor really any time to do his own research on a foundational principle in his area of expertise. I do not think this will end up being a very vigorous debate, but I'd very much love to be wrong. Best, Jonathan On Friday, November 7, 2014 6:20 PM, Yosem Companys compa...@stanford.edumailto:compa...@stanford.edu wrote: From: Peter Swire pe...@peterswire.net On Monday, November 17 the New America Foundation will be hosting a debate on the topic of FBI Director Comey’s criticisms of Apple and Google for the encryption changes to their phones. The moderator will be Nancy Libin, formerly of both CDT and the Department of Justice. Former FBI General Counsel Andrew Weissmann will be presenting the Comey side of the argument. Andrew is an experienced litigator, former head of the Enron Task Force and other major prosecutions. I was in school years ago with Andrew, and the debate will be on the merits but not personal. With that said, only the best arguments will work. With that in mind, I was wondering if readers of your list might send (off-list) resources to prepare for the debate? Many people, in diverse outlets, have been writing about these topics. Although I am currently in the midst of hiring a full-time researcher, I don’t have that help at the moment. If useful, I could circulate a bibliography once the debate happens. For those in DC, the debate will be 4:00 to 5:30 p.m. at New America, address 1899 L St. NW #400. it will be webcast, and may be on C-Span. Thanks, Peter Prof. Peter Swire Nancy J. Lawrence P. Huang Professor Law and Ethics Program Scheller College of Business Georgia Institute of Technology pe...@peterswire.net 240.994.4142 www.peterswire.net -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
