[liberationtech] Use of PRISM corporations by social activists campaigns

2013-06-10 Thread Yosem Companys
From: Charles Lenchner clench...@organizing20.org, the well known sell
out and corporate shill from Organizing 2.0

I'll never give up using FB and gmail. I want the government to know what
I'm up to at all times so it's completely transparent and I'll never be
suspected of anything.

Then, if I want to cause mayhem, I'll use all those Tor/darknet/burner
phone stuff on the side.

Switching now would just make me look suspicious!

Serious revolutionaries need to appear to be cheerful do-gooders.

Charles
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Re: [liberationtech] Use of PRISM corporations by social activists campaigns

2013-06-10 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
OK, but now the government knows you're one of them faux cheerful
do-gooders! xd
Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,

Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
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+1 (817) 271-9619


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Yosem Companys compa...@stanford.edu wrote:
 From: Charles Lenchner clench...@organizing20.org, the well known sell out
 and corporate shill from Organizing 2.0

 I'll never give up using FB and gmail. I want the government to know what
 I'm up to at all times so it's completely transparent and I'll never be
 suspected of anything.

 Then, if I want to cause mayhem, I'll use all those Tor/darknet/burner phone
 stuff on the side.

 Switching now would just make me look suspicious!

 Serious revolutionaries need to appear to be cheerful do-gooders.

 Charles

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Re: [liberationtech] Use of PRISM corporations by social activists campaigns

2013-06-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes


From: Yosem Companys compa...@stanford.edu
To: Liberation Technologies liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu 
Cc: Charles Lenchner clench...@organizing20.org 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:26 PM
Subject: [liberationtech] Use of PRISM corporations by social activists  
campaigns
 


From: Charles Lenchner clench...@organizing20.org, the well known sell out 
and corporate shill from Organizing 2.0

I'll never give up using FB and gmail. I want the government to know what I'm 
up to at all times so it's completely transparent and I'll never be suspected 
of anything.

Then, if I want to cause mayhem, I'll use all those Tor/darknet/burner phone 
stuff on the side.

Switching now would just make me look suspicious!

Serious revolutionaries need to appear to be cheerful do-gooders. 

Regardless of whether that's a parody or not, it's a technically incompetent 
statement.  If I understand
it correctly, Tor is freely available by design because the wider the 
availability the greater the (potential) cover traffic.  I assume this is why 
the Naval Research Laboratory didn't fund a system that would only provide 
access to people with certain credentials-- that would remove all cover traffic 
and threaten to undermine the entire purpose for the system.

That statement also wrongly assumes government intrusion is the only attack 
vector.  I'm currently migrating from Yahoo Mail not because of the reported 
actions of a spy agency, but because the _next_ time someone hacks Yahoo Mail's 
crummy security I don't want to waste any of my time worrying about what data I 
had stored there and what could be used from it to run a confidence scam on me.

To me, the real tragedy is that there isn't some super-simple tool for running 
the equivalent of Google Docs using a Tor hidden service.  It has nothing to do 
with anonymous mayhem, and everything to do with breaking through NAT's so 
that I can host my own cloud and have control and access over it from 
anywhere in the world that I can connect my laptop to the internet.  No 
unwanted changes to the interface, no dropping of unpopular services, just an 
economy of one that responds to my needs and my needs only.  I know there are 
plenty of people who want similar control over the tools they use, and they'd 
happily take the performance hit of Tor for that.  (And for text documents it 
shouldn't be such a big deal anyway.)

-Jonathan
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