NienTsu Wu license statement

[tommy]

Hi all,

   All of my past & future contributions to LibreOffice may be
   licensed under the MPLv2/LGPLv3+ dual license.

Sincerely,
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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Tommy]

Tommy wrote:

Michael Meeks wrote:

.
    + 5.4.4 RC2 status
.

no bugfix list has been published yet about RC1 and RC2 in the wiki

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/5.4#5.4.4_release




nevermoind. it's fixed now

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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Tommy]

Michael Meeks wrote:

.
+ 5.4.4 RC2 status
.

no bugfix list has been published yet about RC1 and RC2 in the wiki

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/5.4#5.4.4_release

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 40000 Resolved Bugs Milestone

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Xisco Fauli wrote:

Hello,

We're still getting spam:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?component=deletionrequest




I see... awful amount of rubbish...


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 40000 Resolved Bugs Milestone

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Xisco Fauli wrote:

Hello again,

I've just deleted 1125 bugs from spam and we're back to 39925. I think
we should reach the milestone in a week or so...

Regards



I count at http://bit.ly/2uLRwnq  :

- 37201 RESOLVED
- 1465 VERIFIED
- 1499 CLOSED

which is a total of 40165.

why do you have different numbers?
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 40000 Resolved Bugs Milestone

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Xisco Fauli wrote:

Hello,

Right now we're at 39990 ( 37033 + 1458 + 1499 ), so we should reach the
milestone pretty soon :D



milestone has been broker sooner than expected...

total count right now is 40035 (37078 resolved + 1458 verified + 1499 
closed).


good job!!!

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] no 5.4.x daily builds available for Windows

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Tommy wrote:

Tommy wrote:

both tinderbox are not "baking" any fresh build to test...

http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-5-4/Win-x86@62-TDF/

http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-5-4/Win-x86_64@62-TDF/


please, take a look at it.



still no 5.4.x daily builds available...
please fix those Windows tinderbox so we can test bugs.





this tinderbox is working now:
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-5-4/Win-x86_64%4062-TDF/

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[Libreoffice-qa] *rude user alert* bug 109280

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please read this:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109280#c10

what an idiot...

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[Libreoffice-qa] 40000 Resolved Bugs Milestone

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hello, LibO is close to achieving an important developemnent milestone...

if you take a look at this table:
http://bit.ly/2uLRwnq

you will see that there are:
36803 RESOLVED bugs
1453 VERIFIED bugs
1499 CLOSED bugs

the total count is 39755 out of the 52825 submitted to bugzilla.

I wonder if there is the possibiliy to monitor who's gonna close the 
number 4 bug...


only 245 more squashed bugs are left to reach that milestone.

the lucky 40K bug squasher could be awarded with a commemorative t-shirt 
or diploma certifying it's achievement.


what do you think? I think that the bughunt for n° 40K could be a funny 
summer contest.


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] no 5.4.x daily builds available for Windows

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Tommy wrote:

both tinderbox are not "baking" any fresh build to test...

http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-5-4/Win-x86@62-TDF/

http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-5-4/Win-x86_64@62-TDF/

please, take a look at it.



still no 5.4.x daily builds available...
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[Libreoffice-qa] no 5.4.x daily builds available for Windows

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both tinderbox are not "baking" any fresh build to test...

http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-5-4/Win-x86@62-TDF/

http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-5-4/Win-x86_64@62-TDF/

please, take a look at it.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

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Michael Meeks wrote:



* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.7 RC2
  + on the mirrors as a final version, but no official announce yet.
  + the last of the 5.2.x line planned.


5.2.7 RC1 changelog still missing here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/5.2#5.2.7_release



+ 5.3.3 RC2 tagging next week.
  + tagged yesterday, ready on the dev servers.



5.3.3 RC1 changelog still missing here:
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 5.3.2 rc2 test builds available

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Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi *,

for the upcoming new version 5.3.2, the builds for rc2 are now
available on pre-releases.

It is release configuration, meaning it will update an existing
version of LibreOffice on Windows (linux and Mac users can install
alongside 5.2.x, but not run simultaneously)

See

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/5.3#5.3.2_release




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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 5.3.1 rc2 test builds available

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Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi *,

for the upcoming new version 5.3.1, the builds for rc2 are now
available on pre-releases.

...


Bugzilla "5.3.1.2 rc" version item just added


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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

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Michael Meeks wrote:



> 


* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.5 release status
+ announced today





https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.2.5/RC1

this page is still empty.
the list of fixed bugs has not been published yet.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 5.3.0 rc2 test builds available

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Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi *,

for the upcoming new version 5.3.0, the builds for rc2 are now
available on pre-releases.

...

The list of fixed bugs relative to 5.3.0 rc1 is here:

http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/bugs-libreoffice-5-3-0-release-5.3.0.2.log

...


no bug list have been yet published on the wiki...
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/5.3#5.3.0_release

both betas and rc links are still empty

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 5.2.5 RC1 test builds available

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Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi *,

for the upcoming new version 5.2.5, the builds for RC1 are now
available on pre-releases.

...


the buglist is not yet published on the wiki
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.2.5/RC1


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[Libreoffice-qa] minor issue in the latest NEW mass ping text message

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hi Xisco,
just to make you aware that in the latest NEW mass ping the text message 
says:


--- snip ---
Test to see if the bug is still present on a currently supported version 
of LibreOffice (5.1.6 or 5.2.3  https://www.libreoffice.org/download/

--- snip ---

the latest available release is instead 5.2.4 and I suppose you probably 
just copied and pasted the text from a previous mass ping where the 
latest available LibO version was 5.2.3


just a minor flaw, nothing serious...
but you should remember to check those version numbers in next mass pings.


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Weekly QA Report (W51-2016)

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Hi Xisco,
what about editing the script in order to show links with "bit.ly" URLs 
or other shortlink web services?


some huge URLs like:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=104906%2C104867%2C104925%2C104797%2C104897%2C104799%2C104854%2C104909%2C104838%2C104899%2C104903%2C104768%2C104894%2C104816%2C104817%2C104888%2C104862%2C104923%2C104896%2C104831%2C104836%2C104890%2C104895%2C104860%2C104920%2C104913%2C104808%2C104798%2C104924%2C104823%2C104844%2C104866%2C104883%2C104803%2C104861%2C104833%2C104843%2C104908%2C104882%2C104819%2C104911%2C104878%2C104804%2C104891%2C104892%2C104769%2C104837%2C104901%2C104832%2C104912%2C104915%2C104926%2C104874%2C104900%2C104916%2C104904%2C104907%2C104802%2C104886%2C104885%2C104873%2C104910%2C104917%2C104922%2C104865%2C104828%2C104905

could be changed in more manageble links such as
http://bit.ly/2hsPJhi

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5.2.4.1 RC bugfix list missing

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hi there.
the 5.2.4.1 RC bugfix list is not yet published here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/5.2#5.2.4_release

don't know who has to take care about it.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] UNCONFIRMED bug count at 513

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Tommy wrote:

let's try to put it down to 500 by the end of the weekend!!!

Tommy


from 513 to 502 right now. good job guys.
a little small additional effort is needed to break the 500 wall.
Tommy


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[Libreoffice-qa] UNCONFIRMED bug count at 513

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let's try to put it down to 500 by the end of the weekend!!!

Tommy

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Re: Community communication

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Tor Lillqvist wrote:


I would like to advise to create a group to make easier our
communication, something like slack or a telegram group.

Facebook?

Oh, I forgot, nobody has ever heard of that.

--tml





@Tor
somebody should collect these pearls and make an e-book out of them...
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 5.2.3 RC3 test builds available

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Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi *,

for the upcoming new version 5.2.3, the builds for RC3 are now
available on pre-releases.

5.2.3 rc3 is in release-build configuration, meaning it will update a
previous version of LibreOffice

5.2.3 will be the third bugfix release for the fresh 5.2 codeline




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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New wiki page: QA Stats

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Xisco Fauli wrote:

Hello,

In order to give more visibility to the work QA is doing, I've just
created a new section in the QA wiki (
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Stats ) where I'll add some QA
stats based on Bugzilla.



nice initiative. thumbs up!!!
Tommy


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Better organization of bugs with meta bugs

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Jay Philips wrote:

Hi All,



So i encourage all users to associate meta bugs to bug reports they
submit and triage and create a new meta bug if a suitable one isnt
available and they have seen enough similar bugs of a similar topic.

>



I've created many meta bugs over the last few months and would
appreciate everyones help in making them as complete as possible. I have
just finished cleaning up the sidebar meta bug[3] over the last 2 days,
as it had over 150 bugs associated with it, and plan to continue further
organizing its sub-meta bugs into sub-sub-meta bugs when necessary.


> ...

good job Jay,
100% agree with you


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Re: Introducing myself

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Nagar Akshay wrote:

Hello everyone this is Akshay Nagar. I am currently pursuing Computer
Science and Engineering 3rd year at NIT Jaipur, India. I want to intern
at GSOC with libre office the coming year.


welcome on board!!!


I would like to get a tip about getting started and the prerequisites
needed to start contributing.

Looking forward to your cooperation,
With regards,
Akshay.



 best thing would be to start with an "easy hack".
you can find more infos here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/EasyHacks#Progress

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 5.1.6 RC1 test builds available

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Jan Iversen wrote:



The list of fixed bugs relative to 5.1.5 final (rc2) is here:

http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/bugs-libreoffice-5-1-6-release-5.1.6.1.log



Object not found in my web browser.


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Re: getting close to the 30000 RESOLVED bugs milestone

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Tommy wrote:

take a look here: http://tinyurl.com/ze4qyhj

the count is now 29970

I know we already passed the 30K FIXED milestone if we count the CLOSED
and VERIFIED bugs as well...

anyway it's getting time to celebrate this new achievement soon...

cheers, Tommy





I wonder if we can identify who's gonna close the 3th bug

It would be nice to give him/her a badge about this mileston.

Tommy


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getting close to the 30000 RESOLVED bugs milestone

[Tommy]

take a look here: http://tinyurl.com/ze4qyhj

the count is now 29970

I know we already passed the 30K FIXED milestone if we count the CLOSED 
and VERIFIED bugs as well...


anyway it's getting time to celebrate this new achievement soon...

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla: 5.1.3.2 rc version missing

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Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:

Hi,

In the dropdown list of version, 5.1.3.2 rc is missing.
Could somebody with the ad-hoc permissions fix that?

Best regards.
JBF



somebody fixed it meanwhile. I see the 5.1.3.2 rc item now.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 5.1.3 RC2 available

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Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Dear Community,

The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the second release
candidate of LibreOffice 5.1.3.

> 

5.1.3.2 rc bugzilla version item created


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] new keyword needUITest

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Markus Mohrhard wrote:

Hey,

can we add a new keyword needUITest to bugs that are purely in the UI?

It would help me track bugs that can not be tested right now and would
need a test later.

Regards,
Markus




no objections from my side.
would you please dgive a couple of bugs that would follow in that category?

cheers, Tommy27


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[Libreoffice-qa] NEW Ping latest run

[Tommy]

hi there, just a few minutes ago I did a new run of the NEW BUGS 
UNTOUCHED FROM MORE THAN 1 YEAR ping.


for those who don't know what this is, read this page:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Gardening#Task:_Bugs_untouched_for_a_year

just a few stats about the NEW ping.

before the latest ping I did few minutes ago, 3595 bugs were pinged, of 
those 803 turned from NEW to a RESOLVED status after being retested by 
LibO users.


this means that after 1 year, 22,34% of reported bugs where somehow 
fixed during continuous code development.


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Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 5.1.0 RC3 available

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Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Dear Community,

The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the third release
candidate of LibreOffice 5.1.0.

> ...

Bugzilla 5.1.0.3 rc item created


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 5.0.5 RC1 available

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Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Dear Community,

The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the first release
candidate of LibreOffice 5.0.5. The upcoming 5.0.5 will be the fourth
bugfix release of our fresh 5.0 line. Please be aware that LibreOffice
5.0.5 RC1 has not been flagged as ready for production use yet,
however feel free to give it a try instead of 5.0.4.




bugzilla 5.0.5.1 rc version added


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 5.1.0 RC2 available

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Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Dear Community,

The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the second release
candidate of LibreOffice 5.1.0.
...


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] VMs for testing or bibisecting

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Sophie wrote:

Hi all,

Is anybody interested on having access to a VNC server with daily builds
on Windows for testing or bibisecting?
Cheers
Sophie



Windows? i thought bibisect was only available on Linux.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice 5.0.4 RC2 test builds available

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Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hello all,

For the upcoming version 5.0.4 the builds for RC2 are now available on
pre-releases.
...


bugzilla 5.0.4.2 rc item created too
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Re: Bugzilla: Update on Whiteboard -> Keywords migration

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Robinson Tryon wrote:

Hi all,
The migration of several tags from the Whiteboard -> Keywords is now
largely complete for Open bugs.

> ...




you really did a good job.
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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Tommy]

Riccardo Magliocchetti wrote:

Hi,

Il 03/12/2015 17:02, Michael Meeks ha scritto:

* Terni (Italy) Hackfest Update ?
 + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Terni2015
 + Cloph to ask wrt. status.

... One group managed to post a patch that has been applied. Other
groups got false positives. One participant posted a trivial patch on
his own earlier this week. So we ended up with two new contributors :)


please tell the bug numbers you fixed and write the achievements in the 
Terni hackfest wikipage.


thumbs up!!!

Tommy




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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzila 4.3.x versions cleanup

[Tommy]

Joel Madero wrote:

Hi All,



As long as the comment moving all to the maj.min version includes the
original version (or even adds it as a whiteboard item, I don't see
need for having the versions available.

Well the comment doesn't always have the version - more often than not
it doesn't. I'm definitely not in favor of adding yet another thing to
whiteboard...too many opportunities for mistake, too often cluttered and
hard to follow.

Best,
Joel


+1 we don't need to make things even more complex


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzila 4.3.x versions cleanup

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Pedro wrote:

Hi Tommy, all


Tommy wrote

1- I still think that the 6 months EOL embargo before cleanup is too
much... It would be better to do the cleanup earlier, let's say 4 or 3
months after the EOL


so leaving all those RCs in the list for such a long time still seems to
me just a waste of space...


I agree with Tommy. Bugzilla is unfriendly enough. Shortening the list is a
good idea.

.

In my opinion the all the alpha, beta and RC bugs should be grouped ta o
single version as soon as the following final version is released
E.g. All 5.0.0 alpha, beta and RCs should be grouped into 5.0.0 when the
first RC for 5.0.1 is announced to the public (and added to the list).



I wouldn't be so drastical...
my original proposal is just to shorten the cleanup waiting time from 6 
months to 3 months




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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzila 4.3.x versions cleanup

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Pedro wrote:



I don't see any incompatibility in asking people to use several versions
(actually I do that using Portable versions of LibreOffice from WinPenPack)
and reducing the number of versions in the drop list.

>

..

>

Regards,
Pedro



I use too winPenPack versions to identify regression points.
Tommy

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzila 4.3.x versions cleanup

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Joel Madero wrote:

Hi Tommy,


1- I still think that the 6 months EOL embargo before cleanup is too
much... It would be better to do the cleanup earlier, let's say 4 or 3
months after the EOL


I still disagree :) I don't see that many benefits and I see potential
issues that cause headaches for users and contributors alike.


let's do practical examples...
I'm not seeing many bug reports about RCs of old .1, .2, .3 ... .6 
releases after 4 months that the final .7 RC1 has been released


so leaving all those RCs in the list for such a long time still seems to 
me just a waste of space...


regarding the 4.3.x branch I've just cleaned,
the 4.3.0 RC1 was released in june 2014...
the 4.3.4 RC1 was released in november 2014 and
the 4.3.7 final release was out in april 2015
and EOL was set on may 27 2015

we currently wait 6 months after the EOL, that is late november 2015
which means that the first 4.3.x RCs have been on the list for almost an 
year and an half



so where's the potential headache you see in users and developers if we 
anticipate the cleanup removing obsolete RCs ?




2- I think the "all versions" items are unnecessary... as far as I
remember that was an item created for the BSA which is now not
supported anymore. when we ask users to define the "earlier version"
where the bug appeared we want them to exactly define in which release
the bug appeared... so this generic "all versions" item is in contrast
with our policy. I suggest to hide all those "all versions" items from
the version admin page. doing this we would get rid of 8 items from
our long version list.


Mixed feelings here. I don't think we should be tinkering a lot unless
there is a real gain. Again, here I see no real gain. Others have
appropriately criticized the QA team for "tinkering too much" and I
think that we should really think about if there is something concrete
to gain before tinkering a bunch.



the gain is to shorten the list removing seldomly used items which are 
not accurate helping us tracking the first release where a bug 
appeared... if you say 4.3 all version may be any release between 4.3.0 
and 4.3.7 which spans a range of hundreds commits




Best,
Joel


Bye, Tommy

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[Libreoffice-qa] Bugzila 4.3.x versions cleanup

[Tommy]

since 6 months passed by from the 4.3.x EOL I cleaned up the bugzilla 
version field from all the alphas, betas and RCs.


now only final releases are available and a 4.3 all versions item has 
been added.


just a few considerations I've already expressed to Joel few months ago:

1- I still think that the 6 months EOL embargo before cleanup is too 
much... It would be better to do the cleanup earlier, let's say 4 or 3 
months after the EOL


2- I think the "all versions" items are unnecessary... as far as I 
remember that was an item created for the BSA which is now not supported 
anymore. when we ask users to define the "earlier version" where the bug 
appeared we want them to exactly define in which release the bug 
appeared... so this generic "all versions" item is in contrast with our 
policy. I suggest to hide all those "all versions" items from the 
version admin page. doing this we would get rid of 8 items from our long 
version list.


feel free to discuss this in the QA mailing list or in the next QA 
meeting... unfortunately I cannot be present in QA meetings because of 
work and family issue, but I'm interested to know what other people 
thinks about this


bye, Tommy

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Re: QA Meeting About How To Move Regressions Forward

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Joel Madero wrote:

Hi All,

QA is going to have a meeting second week of December about regressions
and what we (QA) can realistically do to help move things forward.

> ...

4) In the past we tried a hardHack list that we ultimately retired.
Would it be possible to have a weekly 1-2 fully triaged (bisected
regressions with good steps and all) brought up during the ESC to see if
there are any takers?

Any other thoughts really appreciated :)

Best,
Joel



the number 4 seems a very good idea. +1


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Re: CAD software integration

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Tor Lillqvist wrote:

While at it, we should also start working on extending LO into the field
of real-time process control, including defence and aerospace applications.

--tml




you forgot mind control and telepathy.
think about a LibreOffice extension allowing to use the software without 
a keyboard... this is definitively something we should focus on it


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla: Adding new Status for 'abandoned' bugs?

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Joel Madero wrote:





I think we should keep labeling those as INVALID

IMHO the time spent to implement this new
ABANDONED/EXPIRED/WHATEVERstate will be almost useless...

in both cases the fault of the bug closure is the reporting user
so I really do not care at all being diplomatic with people who don't
provide necessary informations.


To put this in context - this began after several users over the course
of a few weeks got quite irate at the WFM/Invalid status.



I don't understand why those people should feel irate or offended if the 
INVALID state is due to their deficiency to provide a valide testcase or 
answers to legitimate QA questions...


most of the time you got an INVALID tag after 7 months of inactivity...
so, again, no reason to blame QA if you can't answer questions after 7 
months



I tend to agree that INVALID is accurate but if ABANDONED and/or EXPIRED will 
make
them feel better, that's fine.



anyway, whatever you decide is ok for me.
but I think we are paying too much attention to users who are not giving 
a valualble contribution to Bugzilla and LibO in general



I really don't care much about feelings of bad bug submitters.
probably most of them would deserve a PEBKAC status :-)



This will mostly be used by the automatic
pings and most QA people probably won't have to do much to maintain this
new status.


Best,
Joel


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla: Adding new Status for 'abandoned' bugs?

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Robinson Tryon wrote:

Hi all,

As mentioned in the ESC call, it could be helpful to add a new
Bugzilla Status that encompasses bugs that have been abandoned/don't
have enough data.

=> What type of bugs would this cover?

* User isn't willing to share private document with anyone, and we
can't reproduce



if the user don't wanna share data where we can reproduce his/her bug 
it's not a valid bug report anonymizing strategies are described in 
the wiki to hide sensible data so there's no real excuse not to share files.




* Bug sits in NEEDINFO status for 6+ months
* (other situations?)

...



if the user don't wanna provide additional infos after 6 months of 
waiting this is not a valid bug report...


consider that after 6 month you receive a NEEDINFO ping giving you an 
extra month to give infos before being labeled as INVALID, so that's 7 
months of waiting, a timeframe which should be enough to provide a valid 
answer to many question


> => Reasoning:
>
> * We currently mark abandoned bugs as RESOLVED WORKSFORME, or RESOLVED
> INVALID, but an additional Status value could help us be more precise
> in indicating why a bug has been set aside.
> * An additional Status would allow us to be more diplomatic with tough
> users, and avoid the potential negatives of "INVALID" or "WORKS FOR
> ME" on such bugs


I think we should keep labeling those as INVALID

IMHO the time spent to implement this new 
ABANDONED/EXPIRED/WHATEVERstate will be almost useless...


in both cases the fault of the bug closure is the reporting user
so I really do not care at all being diplomatic with people who don't 
provide necessary informations.


just my 2 cents



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Re: 250 USD offer on FreedomSponsor to fix tdf#33082

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Michael Meeks wrote:

Hi Tommy,

On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 06:07 +0100, Tommy wrote:

I want to inform the developer community that an user offered 250
dollars to fix:
Bug 33082 - Multiple operations are not tracked as change in change control
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33082


Hmm. So - just as a hyper-optimistic estimation - implementing change
tracking for tables, including the file-format support (there is none in
ODF as such) and so on is the order of a six man month type job: unit
tests, filter work, core data structure pieces etc.


I'm not a programmer so I had no idea how much effort was needed.
thanks for the info.


It is good to have people supporting and offering money for the work -
but 6 man months is 8*5*4*6 hours -> 960 hours. No idea what you think a
programmer should earn but $0.26/hr rate is below most estimations ;-)


not a good salary indeed
even those who built the pyramids were paid better :-)

anyway as that user said, anyone is free to add a few bucks to the 
funding campaign




Having said that - it is clear that this is an important missing
feature. In general it would be good to split it into many bugs - some
of the features are smaller and less problematic.

HTH !

Michael.



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250 USD offer on FreedomSponsor to fix tdf#33082

[Tommy]

I want to inform the developer community that an user offered 250 
dollars to fix:


Bug 33082 - Multiple operations are not tracked as change in change control
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33082

here's the FreedomSponsors link:
http://bit.ly/1QeQR1i

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] bibisect results #tdf94995

[Tommy]

*bump*

Tommy wrote:

who's the correct person to ping looking at the following bibisect log?

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94955#c2

Bibisection result:

===
b827dce34450091ab3fd608fcb1774899cb2f865 is the first bad commit
commit b827dce34450091ab3fd608fcb1774899cb2f865
Author: Bjoern Michaelsen <bjoern.michael...@canonical.com>
Date:   Thu Oct 17 05:16:54 2013 +

 source-hash-1472b5f87314fe660ef1a7b254e51272669f12f6

 commit 1472b5f87314fe660ef1a7b254e51272669f12f6
 Author: Alia Almusaireae <almusair...@kacst.edu.sa>
 AuthorDate: Mon May 6 09:11:30 2013 +0300
 Commit: Bosdonnat Cedric <cedric.bosdon...@free.fr>
 CommitDate: Mon May 13 15:12:01 2013 +

 zoomandviewlayout.ui widget

 Change-Id: I8d607a5960ffc3c69ffa97ca3e2ebae555044581
 Reviewed-on: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/3794
 Reviewed-by: Bosdonnat Cedric <cedric.bosdon...@free.fr>
 Tested-by: Bosdonnat Cedric <cedric.bosdon...@free.fr>

:100644 100644 b3d561c5462e2082e8239a025b32f49179640532
3054ac942c5d4b65fec372169cf9a5cf3c8b1f32 M  autogen.log
:100644 100644 6128b74db3cb1f6c27b1a45c50f7c153ff97a258
e407fbaabbe6f6ff899f60b6c361ac957a64c045 M  ccache.log
:100644 100644 edebfbdcc3e04b63975a647dc7c0b96c150fbbd0
a9ad80935f7065b3323e9f96d191a39923ef M  commitmsg
:100644 100644 809776d76c5acff63ae05acc840151ed3d6c838f
9d4891958550c345355ce51538d22d0bf9417611 M  dev-install.log
:100644 100644 6568832225733800f0f023ebbe299e1af2ffa2d7
9066bd3d8d2d22fa93737a7c071da2c6ef04d83a M  make.log
:04 04 2f51c32806a14b911a2cd80cfe103e8d9b000711
d881f8f7d4858f58d394c03c09f66a630c11dd57 M  opt
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

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Michael Meeks wrote:



* Raw data for new metrics:
 + issues marked as 'highest' priority.
 + considered equivalent to MAB.

 http://tdf.io/mab




I like the new table but I think it would be better to put the "total" 
column just after the release column, and then the different subtotal 
components...


moreover since the table is very large and you need to scroll 
horizontally to see it's end it would be useful to have the release 
number column on both ends of the table, otherwise when you are on the 
extreme right you don't know which release are you looking at


just my 2 cents

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] query Bugzilla for bugs with many duplicates

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Tommy wrote:

bfoman wrote:

Tommy wrote


I think knowing the list of the most duplicated bug reports would help
QA members to identify more duplicates once they are reported.
is this achievable?


Hi!
Yes, you can play with this site:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/duplicates.cgi
Best regards.




thans bfoman
that's what I was looking for

Tommy



with this one we only see the highest dupes bug still in NEW state
http://snipurl.com/2a9pz4m
Tommy



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] query Bugzilla for bugs with many duplicates

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bfoman wrote:

Tommy wrote


I think knowing the list of the most duplicated bug reports would help
QA members to identify more duplicates once they are reported.
is this achievable?


Hi!
Yes, you can play with this site:
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Best regards.




thans bfoman
that's what I was looking for

Tommy


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Most Annoying Bugs: Wiki docs updated

[Tommy]

Robinson Tryon wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The MAB docs on the wiki have been updated to reflect the new
> Priority-based system for categorizing bugs:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Most_Annoying_Bugs

I like very much the new scheme

I wonder if it's possible to have numbers close to the "All bugs" and 
"Open Bugs" link in each of the New Style just like in the ESC old MABs 
count mailing list.




> The old MAB tracker bugs (mab4.3, mab4.4, etc.) will remain in
> Bugzilla for historical reference, but should be ignored for current
> work. Please make sure that any tooling or documentation that
> references the MABs is up to date and references only the new system.
> If you run across any additional documentation or software that has
> not yet been updated, please let me know so that we can fix it.
>
> Thanks,
> --R

I made a final clean up of those old mabs.
I put a link to the new mab page, wrote the final stats about fixed/open 
bugs of each mab and posted the list of those who were still open for 
historical record in the final post.



this is the final resume:

mab3.4 ->  119 fixed,   0 open
mab3.5 ->  215 fixed,   0 open
mab3.5 ->  157 fixed,   0 open
mab4.0 ->  156 fixed,   0 open
mab4.1 ->  137 fixed,   0 open
mab4.2 ->  186 fixed,   0 open
mab4.3 ->   99 fixed,  57 open
mab4.4 ->   52 fixed,   7 open
mab5.0 ->   11 fixed,   1 open

all-time mabs (1197 bugs) -> 1132 fixed, 65 open


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[Libreoffice-qa] bibisect results #tdf94995

[Tommy]

who's the correct person to ping looking at the following bibisect log?

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94955#c2

Bibisection result:

===
b827dce34450091ab3fd608fcb1774899cb2f865 is the first bad commit
commit b827dce34450091ab3fd608fcb1774899cb2f865
Author: Bjoern Michaelsen 
Date:   Thu Oct 17 05:16:54 2013 +

source-hash-1472b5f87314fe660ef1a7b254e51272669f12f6

commit 1472b5f87314fe660ef1a7b254e51272669f12f6
Author: Alia Almusaireae 
AuthorDate: Mon May 6 09:11:30 2013 +0300
Commit: Bosdonnat Cedric 
CommitDate: Mon May 13 15:12:01 2013 +

zoomandviewlayout.ui widget

Change-Id: I8d607a5960ffc3c69ffa97ca3e2ebae555044581
Reviewed-on: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/3794
Reviewed-by: Bosdonnat Cedric 
Tested-by: Bosdonnat Cedric 

:100644 100644 b3d561c5462e2082e8239a025b32f49179640532 
3054ac942c5d4b65fec372169cf9a5cf3c8b1f32 M  autogen.log
:100644 100644 6128b74db3cb1f6c27b1a45c50f7c153ff97a258 
e407fbaabbe6f6ff899f60b6c361ac957a64c045 M  ccache.log
:100644 100644 edebfbdcc3e04b63975a647dc7c0b96c150fbbd0 
a9ad80935f7065b3323e9f96d191a39923ef M  commitmsg
:100644 100644 809776d76c5acff63ae05acc840151ed3d6c838f 
9d4891958550c345355ce51538d22d0bf9417611 M  dev-install.log
:100644 100644 6568832225733800f0f023ebbe299e1af2ffa2d7 
9066bd3d8d2d22fa93737a7c071da2c6ef04d83a M  make.log
:04 04 2f51c32806a14b911a2cd80cfe103e8d9b000711 
d881f8f7d4858f58d394c03c09f66a630c11dd57 M  opt

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Dealing with Corrupt Profiles

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Joel Madero wrote:

Hi All,

I wanted to know people's thoughts about dealing with bugs that we know
are caused by corrupt profiles. My suggestion:

NEW

with "corruptProfile" in the whiteboard. This is different from how it's
currently done as we close these as WFM. I'm happy to continue but if we
are trying to locate profile corruption, I think this would help quite a
bit.


Just thinking out loud.


Best,
Joel



I think adding a "corruptProfile" tag in the whiteboard would be good.
but I'd leave the WFM status instead of NEW

as far as I know most of those profile corruption are unpredictable and 
never reproducible from scratch... and I've never seen a user with a 
corruptProfile WFM bug telling that it happened again after resetting


moreover there's no automated tool yet to analyze profile folders (I'm 
thinking about a bibisect-like thing) so I think that developers should 
concentrate on reproducible bugs that affects multiple users rather than 
focus on random bugs that affected one user only once in a time












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[Libreoffice-qa] query Bugzilla for bugs with many duplicates

[Tommy]

Hi there,
is there any way we can obtain a Bugzilla query showing a list with the 
bugs with the highest duplicates number?


an example is:
Bug 40534 - slide tearing in LARGE screens with hardware acceleration 
enabled   (11 dupes)

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40534

I think knowing the list of the most duplicated bug reports would help 
QA members to identify more duplicates once they are reported.


is this achievable?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.4.6 rc1 test builds available

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Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi *,

for the upcoming new version 4.4.6 the builds for RC1 are now
available on pre-releases.



4.4.6.1 rc version field added to bugzilla


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] "please retest" bug comment

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Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:



   Test to see if the bug is still present in the latest supported
   branch of LibreOffice (preferably 5.0.0.5 or later)




I'd like this one better

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bibisect tagging - suggestion for QA IRC meeting discussion

[Tommy]

Joel Madero wrote:

Hi All,

...



2) Ask the user to test their own bug - link to the page with old
releases
(http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/) - say
it helps a lot and it _could_ potentially help get the bug fixed faster;
...


Windows users can also use portable version of old LibO releases 
provided by www.winpenpack.com


here's the archive: 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/



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Re: Minutes of ESC call: 2015-08-13

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On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 20:21:45 +0200, Jan Holesovsky ke...@collabora.com  
wrote:





* 4.3 MABs - what's the plan with them? (Kendy)
   + Re-check and prioritize - anything more? (Robinson)
 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=mab4.3
   + will they became 5.0 MAB's or priority / severity? (Kendy)
   + restricing the priority / severity still in progress, so  
probably both (Robinson)


should we move the 4.4 MABs too and have a single 5.0 MAB list?
and what about 5.1.x ? a MAB list has never been creates since I thought  
the decision was to abandon MAB lists...


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Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 5.0.1 RC1 available

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On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 01:23:05 +0200, Christian Lohmaier  
lohma...@googlemail.com wrote:



Dear Community,

The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the first release
candidate of LibreOffice 5.0.1


5.0.1.1 rc version added to Bugzilla

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2015-07-30

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On Sat, 01 Aug 2015 02:43:41 +0200, Jan Holesovsky ke...@collabora.com  
wrote:




* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 4.4.5 - RC2 status
+ released as final earlier today, done
+ will update the online update soon



would you please take a look at this:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92791#c8

is the update mechanism not yet correctly aligned to the latest release?



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[Libreoffice-qa] DocsPal for QA

[Tommy]

hi QA team,
I think you could be interested in this website
http://www.docspal.com/viewer

we can use it to view .DOC, .DOCX and other non-ODF formats in case we  
don't have MS Word to test.

it also has a PDF conversion too.

I've already used it several MS Word vs LibO FILEOPEN bug reports


bye, Tommy

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[Libreoffice-qa] bugzilla versions cleanup proposals

[Tommy]

in the last few weeks I was given Bugzilla admin power by Joel and I'm  
adding new version once they come out and rename RCs to release once they  
are promoted.


I think I could do some cleanups but I need your opinion first...

-
1 - remove the all versions items
-
actually we have 7 of those items for 3.3, 3.4, 3.5, 3.6, 4.0, 4.1 and 4.2  
and there's no 4.3 all versions


I don't remember exactly why these all versions have been added... maybe  
was something related to the Bugzilla Submission Assistant (BSA) which I  
don't even know if it longer works.



anyway I see that these all versions items have been very rarely used
scroll the list here: https://goo.gl/nIJTEC and you see that there are  
only few bugs that use those labels.


so let's get rid of them by just hiding them from the version select menu.
it will shorten our long version list


-
2- END-OF-LIFE version collapse from 6 to 3 months
-
in order to shorten the list it was decided that all the alphas, betas and  
RCs of an END-OF-LIFE branch should be hidden after 6 months from the EOL  
date, leaving just the final releases visible.


I think the 6 months period is unnecessary too long and can be safely  
reduced to 3.


let's take the example of the 4.3.x branch
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#4.3_release

the EOL was May 27, 2015. with the current 6 months waiting time we will  
do the cleanup on November 27, 2015...  by that date the 4.4.x will be EOL  
too and the 5.0.x will be in a very advanced stage with LibO 5.0.4  
available


so I think that it will be very unlikely at the end of 2015 to see people  
submitting new bugs about the alphas, betas and RCs of the 4.3.x branch.


let's rather set the waiting time to 3 months which means the collapse  
will take place on August 27, 2015  where you'll also have releases of  
LibO 4.4.5 and 5.0.1



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] bugzilla versions cleanup proposals

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On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 18:49:43 +0200, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com  
wrote:





On 07/26/2015 07:02 AM, Tommy wrote:

...

-
1 - remove the all versions items
-
actually we have 7 of those items for 3.3, 3.4, 3.5, 3.6, 4.0, 4.1 and
4.2 and there's no 4.3 all versions

Disagree here - we did discuss this at length and there is a reason why
we have it. For instance Red Hat is still running on an old version of
LibreOffice and we want to give the option to report against those
versionI'm sure there are minutes and/or email threads discussing
this at length.


I still do not understand what's the purpose of having a generic 3.4 all  
versions while you already have a specific 3.4.0, 3.4.1, 3.4.2... 3.4.7  
item.


people still using an old version will report bugs about their specific  
version (i.e. 3.4.5) not that generic 3.4 all...


the cleanup will remove just the 3.4 all versions not the single .0, .1,  
.2, etc items which will be still available


what about the Red Had version you talk about? I suppose it has a specific  
versionnumber not a generic all version number



-
2- END-OF-LIFE version collapse from 6 to 3 months
-
in order to shorten the list it was decided that all the alphas, betas
and RCs of an END-OF-LIFE branch should be hidden after 6 months from
the EOL date, leaving just the final releases visible.

I think the 6 months period is unnecessary too long and can be safely
reduced to 3.

so I think that it will be very unlikely at the end of 2015 to see
people submitting new bugs about the alphas, betas and RCs of the
4.3.x branch.


are you still seeing people submitting bugs about this 4.3.x non final  
releases?


I think is very unlikely that there's people still using an alpha, beta or  
any of the RC1's of the 4.3.x branch by the end of august 2015


remember that 4.3.0 alphas and betas were releases in april-june 2014  
which is more than 1 year ago.

there's really no chance people is still testing those ones.

the last 2 non final releases were:
4.3.6 RC1 -- january 2015
4.3.7 RC1 -- april 2015

since those are very late phase stable branch releases, only few verified  
fixes were integrated into them and in the past I've seen only few bugs  
introduced in the .6 or .7 releases...


so it's again unlikely to see a new submitted bug about 4.3.6 RC1 or 4.3.7  
RC1 months after their release



Again disagree - there's no reason really outside of slight aesthetics
to do thislots of people are running older versions and because
version is supposed to be oldest version...it makes sense to leave
these available.


the final releases will be still available after the cleanup.
just the alpha, beta and RC1 will be removed

the final one will be still available like it's for older branches.


Should be discussed at QA IRC Meeting but my vote goes to no on both.

Best,
Joel


sure, it has to be discussed and voted like everything here.

we can still argue which is the right time period...
IMHO 6 months is too much and 3 months would be appropriate.
a compromise would be 4 months

cheers, Tommy


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.4.5 rc2 test builds available

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On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 19:59:04 +0200, Christian Lohmaier  
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Hi *,

for the upcoming new version 4.4.5 the builds for RC2 are now
available on pre-releases.




bugzilla 4.4.5.2 rc version item created

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[Libreoffice-qa] 25000 resolved bugs

[Tommy]

RESOLVED bugs over 25K
check latest stats here:  http://snipurl.com/2a3ne8c

the total FIXED count is almost 27000 if we include the CLOSED and  
VERIFIED bugs as well.


so looking forward to break the 3 milestones.

congrats to all developers and triagers that made this possible,

bye, tommy27

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[Libreoffice-qa] please retest Bug 92861

[Tommy]

please test this one.
very easy and quick to triage.

Bug 92861 - AutoCorrect Options checkboxes do not work
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92861

IMHO is an important regression and breaks the autocorrect options


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[Libreoffice-qa] Bug 92774 Linux/Mac testers needed

[Tommy]

please test this one under Linux and Mac using LibO 5.x
Bug 92774 - Can't add word to dictionary or use other options when list of  
choices is very long and have to scroll

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92774

if the bug affects Linux as well it has to be bibisected

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Linux and Mac testers needed for 91574

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On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 13:56:50 +0200, Italo Vignoli it...@libreoffice.org  
wrote:



On 02/07/15 06:23, Tommy wrote:

I need additional Linux and Mac testers with dual monitor setup for this
one:
Bug 91574 - SLIDESHOW: presenter console not shown and focus remains on
the secondary monitor
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91574


Happy to help with Mac. I will have a try ASAP.




any news Italo?
the bug in the meantime evolved thanks to committs by Nabet, Lohmaier and  
Meeks and seems fixed in Linux but not yet in Windows (though improved)


what about Mac? remember to use the latest 5.1 daily build available since  
the committs are very recents


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Linux and Mac testers needed for 91574

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On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 11:38:02 +0200, Naruhiko Ogasawara naru...@gmail.com  
wrote:



Hi Tommy, *

Just a quick look, what should be checked is playing slideshow
under the multi-window environment, as described in comment #3?


the current bug situation in Windows is described here:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91574#c52


I tried this reproduce steps with:

Version: 5.1.0.0.alpha1+
Build ID: d3b6f3790953bdfeaeebcd3ba9ec370d94ca4ebf
TinderBox: MacOSX-x86_64@49-TDF, Branch:master, Time: 2015-07-09_00:10:08

under my OS X Yosemite (10.10.4) with multi-window,
and the Presenter Console seems to work well.

Best,


I suppose you don't see that blank white screen instead of the correct  
grey presenter console interface.


Tommy

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] BUGZILLA: prefilled whiteboard items like in the keywords field

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On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 21:44:00 +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen  
bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote:



Hi,

On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 09:01:11PM +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
 I think about having bibisectRequest, bibisected,  
notBibisectable and

 other useful terms in it.

For  those, maybe we should  promote those to actual keywords?

So is it possible: Yes
Should it be done: depends :-)


Right. At least from the theoretical standpoint once you have a  
welldefined set
of stuff in whiteboard, that are well-known and widely used. Having them  
a

keywords is the right thing.



I agree that moving the whole bibisect whiteboard items to the keyword  
list is probably more consistent... we already have the regression item in  
the keywords lists and bibisect is strictly related to regressions.




From a practical point of view, we would need to keep things consistent:
- thus removing all those in exsisting whiteboard and adding them as  
keywords

- not spamming the world to a halt with that bulk change
- update _all_ doce everywhere: in git repositories, wikis and whatnot
- updating all scripts and queries using these everywhere
- announcing the change far and wide
- keeping an eye out for people doing it the old way out of habit for  
at

  least half a year

Im not saying its not possible, just that it is much more work and  
hidden costs

that it might initially appear.

Best,

Bjoern



gardening is a much tougher work than it seems at first glance :-)

Tommy

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.4.5 rc1 test builds available

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On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 18:26:26 +0200, Christian Lohmaier  
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Hi *,

for the upcoming new version 4.4.5 the builds for RC1 are now
available on pre-releases.

...


4.4.5.1 rc version added to Bugzilla.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Spell Check on Windows 7

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On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 07:13:04 +0200, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol  
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Hi Joel, Pedro,
Am 25.06.2015 um 01:32 schrieb Joel Madero:

Yeah the instructions weren't entirely helpful beyond the superfluous
devs don't care at all! type stuff. I'm tempted to throw it back to
NEEDINFO.

@Pedro - you mind putting it in NEEDINFO and asking for more information
(locales, dictionaries installed, etc... etc). I think this is user
error to be honest but I could be wrong. I think if I put it back to
NEEDINFO the users involved will just go on a tirade about me ;)


We have a problem here that spell checking doesn't work in LibO  
PortableApps on different PCs. I don't know if it is the same problem  
but I will have a look in the evening.



no problem at all with spellcheck and Win7/8.1 using X-LibreOffice  
(another portable package alternative to the one from PortableApps)


http://www.winpenpack.com/main/download.php?view.1354

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Re: MAB/Priority and Severity

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On Sun, 31 May 2015 22:14:54 +0200, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com  
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Hi All!

So the time has finally arrived that we are moving forward with _locking
out priority/severity_. This means that *MAB will be retired*.





I will miss MABs... expecially the fact there were different list for the  
different codelines (is. mab4.3, mab4.4 and mab5.0)


that was very useful for user to decide wheter to stick on the stable  
branch or move to the fresh branch just reading the list of the specific  
issues of each branch


so is there any plan to generate a query about the new highest priority  
bugs which can separate all these issues in a fashion similar to current  
MABs lists?


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[Libreoffice-qa] NEW bug count

[Tommy]

it always rises (and it alway will do that)but I've noticed that lately  
it's not as steady as before.
see chart:  
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/reports.cgi?product=LibreOfficedatasets=NEW


many thanks to developers fixing bugs and triagers closing duplicates and  
retesting WFM issues.


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[Libreoffice-qa] Weekly and Daily Bug Summary

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we already have a Weekly summary here:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html

It's possible to have a similar bugzilla page with a Daily summary?

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[Libreoffice-qa] bugzilla 5.1.0.0 alpha+ master version needed

[Tommy]

please add it to the version dropdown menu

Tommy

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Re: Resignation from the ESC

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On Mon, 25 May 2015 12:02:48 +0200, Markus Mohrhard  
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Hey,

so I hereby resign from the ESC effective immediately.

...

I enjoyed working with many great people but I believe that the
project is developing in the wrong direction at the moment and that I
should spend my free time in a better way.

Regards,
Markus


sorry to hear that. you've been a great contributor to LibO so far.
we will miss you.
Tommy

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[Libreoffice-qa] possible mab4.5

[Tommy]

please check this one:

Bug 89873 - UI: dialog windows broken
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89873

in confirmed it has to be added to mab4.5 list

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] next run of the NEW bugs ping?

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On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:29:18 +0100, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com  
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Hey Tommy,

On 02/16/2015 10:28 PM, Tommy wrote:


hi guys, sorry of not being much active in the last month but work
issues brought me away from bugzilla (temporarily)

I wonder if Joel is planning to do another run of the NEW bugs ping.

first test in january had very good results.

of the 338 NEW bugs pinged we had 68 that turned into fixed (most of
them WFM)
with a 16.35% ratio which is almost 1 out of 6.

Indeed it's in my list of things to do. I'm just swamped. I'll get it
done by March 1st though.


Best,
Joel



take your time, there's no need to rush.

bye, Tommy

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[Libreoffice-qa] next run of the NEW bugs ping?

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hi guys, sorry of not being much active in the last month but work issues  
brought me away from bugzilla (temporarily)


I wonder if Joel is planning to do another run of the NEW bugs ping.

first test in january had very good results.

of the 338 NEW bugs pinged we had 68 that turned into fixed (most of them  
WFM)

with a 16.35% ratio which is almost 1 out of 6.

I wonder if another run would give the same good results.
bye, Tommy

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] that walrus

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On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 06:52:25 +0100, Tommy ba...@quipo.it wrote:

On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 00:30:35 +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen  
bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote:



Hi,


On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 05:07:24AM +0100, Tommy wrote:

hi there, I'm curious to know the name of that walrus mascot we have
in our own bugzilla.


so here are a few proposals:

...


my proposal is Angus the Walrus



another proposal would be WallyWalrus
my kids love PeppaPig  :-)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] that walrus

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On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 00:30:35 +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen  
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Hi,


On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 05:07:24AM +0100, Tommy wrote:

hi there, I'm curious to know the name of that walrus mascot we have
in our own bugzilla.


so here are a few proposals:

...


my proposal is Angus the Walrus

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[Libreoffice-qa] that walrus

[Tommy]

hi there, I'm curious to know the name of that walrus mascot we have in  
our own bugzilla.


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Hijack bulk bug updates to remind about Bugzilla Migration

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On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 13:24:44 +0100, Robinson Tryon  
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Quick reminder:

The next time we (read: probably Joel) do some bulk updates of bug
reports, we shoudl leverage that opportunity to insert a small
reminder about the migration of Bugzilla, password reset, etc.

Linking to this would probably be good:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/TDF_Bugzilla_Proposal/Migration_Userguide#After_the_Migration

Thanks,
--R



nice idea. it would be useful to do that.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice Bugzilla Migration] We're done! Please visit the new site to reset your password!

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 08:12:34 +0100, Robinson Tryon  
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:



On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 1:20 AM, Tommy ba...@quipo.it wrote:

+1. we really need to remove a lot of those useless keywords


Here's the current list of keywords:

ALL: What should go?



these are the one that I'd remove.



cleanup0407 (2)
April 2007 bug cleanup.


i18n (26)
Xorg Internationalisation issues (i18n)




l10n (51)
Xorg/X11 Localisation issues

licence (2)
Files with licence problems (e.g. mixing incompatible licences,
missing/non-permissive copyrights, et al)

movetoxkc (0)
Bugs that should be moved to xkeyboard-config, if still applicable.

NEEDINFO (51)
The bug does not have enough information in order to solve the
problem. Please read the comments and add the relevant information
required to aid in solving the problem.

notourbug (2)
It's not really our bug, but we might work around it anyway.

patch (21)
Bugs with a valid patch.

security (6)
Security-sensitive bugs

x12 (0)
Bugs that require a protocol version bump.



I include the NEEDINFO and notourbug keywords that are basically useless  
duplicates of the NEEDINFO and NOTOURBUG status.






and add some [keywords]
that are nore useful.


We have a number of tags that we put in the Whiteboard right now
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Whiteboard
(also see advanced page)

Many of those could become keywords.

ALL: Proposals on which ones?


I think that all the bibisect related tags could be tunred into keywords.


morevoer I'd like to have specific attachment default extension types,  
like
.odt, .ods, .doc, .docx, .xls and .xlsx which are commonly attached by  
users

and commonly mislabeled.


Are you talking about the mimetype problems on FDO?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Attachments#MIME_Type_Problems

AFAIK, those are fixed

Best,
--R



I was talking about the select MIME type dropdown menu which actually  
offers only PNG, JPEG, PDF and a few others.


anyway if you say that the automatic detection now works fine, this is  
probably not necessary anymore


Tommaso

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice Bugzilla Migration] We're done! Please visit the new site to reset your password!

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On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 13:25:38 +0100, bfoman bfo.bugm...@spamgourmet.com  
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Time to clean the database from FDO leftovers (keywords, unrelated  
series,

etc.).


+1. we really need to remove a lot of those useless keywords and add some  
that are nore useful.


morevoer I'd like to have specific attachment default extension types,  
like .odt, .ods, .doc, .docx, .xls and .xlsx which are commonly attached  
by users and commonly mislabeled.



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] UNCONFIRMED: Under 300!

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On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 08:30:00 +0100, Robinson Tryon  
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let's keep the pace!!!


One of the best ways for us to keep up with the 23+ bugs that are
filed each day is for us to grow the QA Team. Whenever you meet
someone in IRC, or have a good experience with someone in Bugzilla,
invite them to join us -- ask them to help test a bug, or ask them for
input about something small. If we can build a relationship with the
bug reporters, they can become amazing contributors to LibreOffice and
TDF.

...


I have an idea regarding this...
when a new user finish reporting a new bugs let's redirect him/her to a  
page which a message like: thanks for filing a new bug report. In the  
meanwhile when you are waiting your bug to be confirmed, why don't you  
take the time to try to triage one of the UNCONFIRMED bugs opened by other  
users like you?


then I'd redirect or give them links to the how to triage bugs wiki and  
UNCONFIRMED bugs list


if we persuade users that submit a new bug, triage another one would  
help qA and LibO development we would keep the UNCONFIRMED count low and  
convince other user to join the QA team


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.4.0 rc2 test builds available

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On Fri, 09 Jan 2015 11:24:55 +0100, Christian Lohmaier  
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Hi *,

for the upcoming new version 4.4.0 the builds for RC2 are now
available on pre-releases.

.

See

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/4.4#4.4.0_release

for the complete schedule (there is one additional RC planned)

...


did I miss the announcement regarding RC1 of wasn't announced at all?
moreover the RC1 bugfix list is still empty:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/WikiAction/edit/Releases/4.4.0/RC1?redlink=1

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] NEW Bug Mass Ping Round 2

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On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 23:58:27 +0100, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com  
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Hi All,

So I suppose we'll start chunking into the next set relatively quickly.
I was thinking at the end of January doing anything 22 months or more,
slowly decrease this to 12 months. I don't want to hit all of these at
once as there are already nearly 1600. So I think slowly going from 22,
20, 18...etc... until we're down to 12 months and then run both this
ping as well as the NEEDINFO ping every month on the 1st. Let me know
how this sounds.


Best,
Joel


sounds good planning
Tommy

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Admin FDO Ping Stats

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On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 00:06:02 +0100, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com  
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Hi All,

Here is the start of a spreadsheet that can track stats for QA pings.
...


nice job Joel.
very nice.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ping to retest old bugs

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:57:24 +0100, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com  
wrote:







Can you capture and publish a list of the bugs you ping this way?
Then we can:

So FDO sucks for this kind of task BUT we can just search for bugs
touched by qa-admin account on the day that I run itnot ideal and
things will be missed but it'll give us a bit of an idea.




why not using a special whiteboard tag like ping, pingQA or ping012,  
ping02 etc. etc. ?


this way it would be easier to obtain stats of the NEW - WFM ratio after  
the retest


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Freshly installed 4.4.0.0RC1 reports 4.3.5 as available update

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On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:54:32 +0100, Thomas Hackert thack...@nexgo.de  
wrote:



Hello all,
after I stalled

LO Version: 4.4.0.1
Build-ID: 1ba9640ddd424f1f535c75bf2b86703770b8cf6f
Gebietsschema: de_DE

on Debian Testing i686 (following the instructions from
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel) with
Germanophone lang- as well as helppack, I got the information from
LO, that a new update is available. Much to my astonishment, a click
on this LibreOffice update available on the top right side of LO
opens the Check for Updates dialog with

quote
LibreOffice 4.3.5 is available.
/quote

... :( Is this intended or is it a bug?

Have a nice evening
Thomas.



Laurent BP submitted this to bugzilla:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87593

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] mab4.2 to mab4.3 migration almost over

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:04:29 +0100, Alexander Thurgood  
alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote:



Le 16/12/2014 13:40, Tommy a écrit :


of the original 83 mab4.2 that were open at the time of 4.2.x EOL, 12
turned to be RESOLVED WORKSFORME in the 4.3.x or 4.4.x branch.



More of interest to me would be to know how many of the moved MABs are :

- more than 1 year old ;
- more than 2 years old ;
- even older than the above.

Shifting MABs is a convenient way of ignoring long-felt problems,
sprucing up the QA stats, and a bit like ignoring back pain and hoping
it will somehow go away.




sorry alex but I do not agree with that and I think your point of view is  
incorrect.
moving MABs to an old no more supported branch (i.e. 4.2.x) to the new  
supported branch (i.e. 4.3.x) is not a way of ignoring bugs but it's  
completely the opposite.


this way we still remember that old unfixed bugs exist and keep them in  
the list of higher priority.

so we don't ignore them but we try to keep attention on them.

regarding QA stats that's another unfair valutation from you...
the stats do not get cleaner at all since all the moved 4.2 MABs go in the  
count of the 4.3 MABs except those that were resolved during the branch  
development


as said in my original post, a consistent part of the 4.2.x MABs (more  
than 10%) turned to be RESOLVED WORKSFORME in the 4.3.x branch after  
retest.


so I feel more optimistic than you.
bye, Tommy

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] mab4.2 to mab4.3 migration almost over

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On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:52:59 +0100, Tommy ba...@quipo.it wrote:


On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:45:59 +0100, Tommy ba...@quipo.it wrote:


hi guys,
I've retested and migrated most of the mab4.2 to the mab4.3 list.



of the original 83 mab4.2 issue that were still open on the 4.2.x END OF
LIFE (november 19th) a few were marked as RESOLVED WORKSFORME



mab4.2 retest and migration to mab4.3 is finally over.

of the original 83 mab4.2 that were open at the time of 4.2.x EOL, 12  
turned to be RESOLVED WORKSFORME in the 4.3.x or 4.4.x branch.


so thanks to our developers who are constantly improving the quality of  
LibO code.


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