Re: [Libreoffice] [ANN] List for collaboration around user experience topics created

2011-06-06 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Thorsten, *,

Thorsten Behrens schrieb:

Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

 Think about it - less work for You in total ;o))

well, I don't care at all where the list is located - I just
recalled the across-the-board rule of having reply-to-mangling
active on the TDF lists, so I wanted to spare me the discussion.

We won't escape while communicating with (non tec) design people ;o))
But I'm with You in this point.

Also, purely mail-based moderation is a PITA really - but that maybe
just me. :)

I've opposite preference: going to any web interface (with finally one
more account - yeah ever wanted that - sucks!

mlmmj can't provide web interface - so: Your turn. 

As I won't be able to care before Thursday maybe better I leave it to
You.

Gruß/regards
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Re: [Libreoffice] [ANN] List for collaboration around user experience topics created

2011-06-02 Thread Miklos Vajna
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 02:40:53AM +0200, Friedrich Strohmaier 
damokles4-lis...@bits-fritz.de wrote:
 The last, I posted on projects list has:
 Archived-At: http://go.mail-archive.com/s5lAIIvEapds74WcmeN5ORhy5Zo=
 
 You might examine any (fairly recent) tdf list's headers to find it.

FWIW, any mail archived on GMane has such an URL as well under
mid.gmane.org. If you configure your mail reader to show the message-id,
then it's easy, for example your mail is at:

http://mid.gmane.org/201106020240.54936.damokles4-lis...@bits-fritz.de


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Re: [Libreoffice] [ANN] List for collaboration around user experience topics created

2011-06-02 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Miklos, *,

Miklos Vajna schrieb:
 On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 02:40:53AM +0200, Friedrich Strohmaier 
damokles4-lis...@bits-fritz.de wrote:

[.. easily finding archived mails to point at ..]

 The last, I posted on projects list has:
 Archived-At:
 http://go.mail-archive.com/s5lAIIvEapds74WcmeN5ORhy5Zo=

 You might examine any (fairly recent) tdf list's headers to find it.

 FWIW, any mail archived on GMane has such an URL as well under
 mid.gmane.org. If you configure your mail reader to show the
 message-id, then it's easy, for example your mail is at:

 http://mid.gmane.org/201106020240.54936.damokles4-lis...@bits-fritz.de

Wow, didn't know that (even if reading the gmane FAQ line by line).
really cool - gmane rocks! :o))

So only the moderating issue remains ;o)).

Gruß/regards
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[Libreoffice] [ANN] List for collaboration around user experience topics created

2011-06-01 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi folks,

with the design team (and the UX people, as part of that), and the
hackers mostly working on separate lists, we thought it would be
helpful to provide a low-traffic, easy-to-post-to third list, where
interested parties of either side can meet - the list 

 * is unmoderated, i.e. you can post without subscribing
 * does not change Reply-To, so you're free to use that according to
   your needs
 * draft list topic: Meeting ground for hackers and UX experts -
   get advise here for user experience questions

It would be great if people working on UI-relevant hacks could give
a quick shout there - and conversely, it would be cool if a few UX
experts could monitor that list, funnel the question to the design
list  get back with some actionable results.

The list address is: libreoffice-ux-adv...@lists.freedesktop.org

(see also
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise)

Cheers,

-- Thorsten


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Re: [Libreoffice] [ANN] List for collaboration around user experience topics created

2011-06-01 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Thorsten, *,

Thorsten Behrens schrieb:

 with the design team (and the UX people, as part of that), and the
 hackers mostly working on separate lists, we thought it would be
 helpful to provide a low-traffic, easy-to-post-to third list, where
 interested parties of either side can meet - the list

That's a great idea. I wondered how the collaboration between hackers
and designers work up to now (I'm neither of both, but I'm convinced
this beeing a key for the success of LibreOffice as an end user product)

 * is unmoderated, i.e. you can post without subscribing

hmm on the tdf-based lists moderation means: mails of unsubscribed users
go through, but spam doesn't..

 * does not change Reply-To, so you're free to use that according to
   your needs
 * draft list topic: Meeting ground for hackers and UX experts -
   get advise here for user experience questions

cool! ;o))

 It would be great if people working on UI-relevant hacks could give
 a quick shout there - and conversely, it would be cool if a few UX
 experts could monitor that list, funnel the question to the design
 list  get back with some actionable results.

 The list address is: libreoffice-ux-adv...@lists.freedesktop.org

Hmm I'd like to see that list's home among the libreoffice.org family
for one main advantage those have: Each mail has in it's header an
Archived-At: tag.

The last, I posted on projects list has:
Archived-At: http://go.mail-archive.com/s5lAIIvEapds74WcmeN5ORhy5Zo=

You might examine any (fairly recent) tdf list's headers to find it.

This is a great feature particularly for this hybrid list regarding it's
role beeing glue between the two worlds and fuel for discussions in
each, throught very easy pointing at a contribution.

Additionally there is a very effective moderation mechanism by just
answering a mail for passing a posting to the list, which reduces pain
to do so. (I would volunteer in this case :o)) )

 (see also
 http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise)

Think about it - less work for You in total ;o))

Please keep me in CC to avoid delay - as I don't scan the dev list
daily.


Gruß/regards
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Friedrich
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