[Bug 159000] WRITER: Insert Special Characters menu window only shows a part of available characters in certain fonts (But accessible through Unicode)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159000 Mike Kaganski changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks|109232 | Resolution|--- |NOTABUG Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED --- Comment #6 from Mike Kaganski --- I believe this is not a bug, and there is no "hidden", incorrectly not shown elements in the special character dialog. 1. The same set of glyphs is shown e.g. using Windows CharMap. 2. ScriptForge also shows that U+030b is missing from the Cavolini fonts. What is most important is, that the fonts, instead, have U+0150 "Ohungarumlaut" LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH DOUBLE ACUTE, and U+0151 "ohungarumlaut" LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DOUBLE ACUTE. I believe, that the engine does a normalization of the Unicode string, and finds the corresponding combined codepoint, when it doesn't find the separate glyphs. This is supported by another test: type U+0153U+030b and press Alt+X. This attempts to combine the double acute to another letter definitely present in the font, U+0153 "oe" LATIN SMALL LIGATURE OE; but what's important, this time there's no ready-made combined glyph with the double acute in the font. And the end result is, as expected, a substituted font. Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109232 [Bug 109232] [META] Special character dialog and toolbar group button bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159000] WRITER: Insert Special Characters menu window only shows a part of available characters in certain fonts (But accessible through Unicode)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159000 Hossein changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||109232, 161236 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109232 [Bug 109232] [META] Special character dialog and toolbar group button bugs and enhancements https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161236 [Bug 161236] [META] Diacritics -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159000] WRITER: Insert Special Characters menu window only shows a part of available characters in certain fonts (But accessible through Unicode)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159000 --- Comment #5 from Kati L. --- Created attachment 191744 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=191744&action=edit Screenshot showing a section of the special characters that are shown Some of the special characters do appear within the menu window, and did already at the point when the forced substituting to another font was still in effect. Most of the characters I need are actually here (including the Latin Small Letter A with a breve, which was the biggest issue for a long while), but I would still be happier if the full range of the available combining diacritics were available. As another point, the same combinations found here as pre-formed combined characters do also work in the intended way as separate Unicode typing applications, for instance in the case of the double acute accent over small Latin o. I've tested the both methods (inserting from the menu window and inserting as typed Unicode[alt+x]), and they work. The separate combining diacritic and the letter aren't replaced by the pre-formed combination character here, at least presumedly, since they can be turned back and forth to Unicode and characters through the same [alt+x] combo key? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159000] WRITER: Insert Special Characters menu window only shows a part of available characters in certain fonts (But accessible through Unicode)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159000 --- Comment #4 from Kati L. --- Created attachment 191743 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=191743&action=edit The window showing the missing combining diacritics' place The full range of diacritics appear here, but they all are of the non-combining kind that stands alone, separately -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159000] WRITER: Insert Special Characters menu window only shows a part of available characters in certain fonts (But accessible through Unicode)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159000 --- Comment #3 from Kati L. --- (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #1) > (In reply to Kati L. from comment #0) > > Example: the double acute accent found in the menu is [U+02dd]. The correct, > > combining acute accent ought to be [U+030b]. The actual combining diacritics > > can't be found anywhere in the available selection in the Insert Special > > Characters menu window - but, when typing them in the text in their Unicode > > form followed by the combination key [alt+x], does bring out the correct > > combined characters (the vowel with the diacritic correctly above it) - in > > the used font, as a cherry on top. Therefore, they have to exist in the data > > of the font files, so who don't they show in the menu window? > > This is misconception. Your text has the font set to your choice. The > controls display it. But specific glyphs that you request might come from a > different - substitution - font. It appears that I wasn't still being meticulous enough, even if I thought that I'd been way too nitpicky. I'm aware of this fact. I just forgot to mention that, too, in my list of several other options. I attached a screencapture to demonstrate that certain combinations indeed do exist within the font, whereas other characters are substituted with the equivalents from another font. I believe I already described this feature here: " [This actually used to be an issue in the older versions of LO Writer (the one I had in use, about three years ago), as well as the reverted character appearing in the default application font, instead of the document default font or the selected font inside that text block. (As an anecdote, some of these strange reversions still appear in certain older drafts of my texts, retained in the PDF conversions made for the sake of easier proofreading, as a funny throwback.)]" The forced reversion / substitution no longer is an issue where the said characters actually exist within the font. Even in these cases (in the older versions of this software), they did, and the problem seemed to arise from having converted a document to .odt from .doc, or opening a document originally written in MSWord in LOWrite and saving it as .odt. Somehow, it didn't recognize the characters, even if the font remained the same in both formats and original softwares where the documents were written. But, like said, this no longer is an issue as long as the characters actually do exist in the used font. So, in the case of my complaints, the fonts do appear in the intended font, once I use the Unicode entering technique. They don't seem (falsely) to exist, within the entire set of characters in the Insert Special Character menu window. Will attach another screenshot of the said window. Sorry it doesn't appear as a picture in this thread, I reached the extent of my data skills at this time of the night, but was so frustrated by the misconception of my assumed misconception that I decided to return here and clarify the matter. Sorry. I'm an incurable geek, and I get needlessly annoyed when something that should be relatively effortless suddenly requires extensive work just in order to type in a single character. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159000] WRITER: Insert Special Characters menu window only shows a part of available characters in certain fonts (But accessible through Unicode)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159000 --- Comment #2 from Kati L. --- Created attachment 191742 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=191742&action=edit Screenshot of some example characters Here's an example of the characters that are found, or aren't found in the font. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159000] WRITER: Insert Special Characters menu window only shows a part of available characters in certain fonts (But accessible through Unicode)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159000 --- Comment #1 from Mike Kaganski --- (In reply to Kati L. from comment #0) > Example: the double acute accent found in the menu is [U+02dd]. The correct, > combining acute accent ought to be [U+030b]. The actual combining diacritics > can't be found anywhere in the available selection in the Insert Special > Characters menu window - but, when typing them in the text in their Unicode > form followed by the combination key [alt+x], does bring out the correct > combined characters (the vowel with the diacritic correctly above it) - in > the used font, as a cherry on top. Therefore, they have to exist in the data > of the font files, so who don't they show in the menu window? This is misconception. Your text has the font set to your choice. The controls display it. But specific glyphs that you request might come from a different - substitution - font. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
