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--- Comment #35 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #34)
> I will also add that the behavior with David CLM is the exactly same for me
> with Liberation Sans.

What I understand is that Dagesh/Mappiq/Shuruk are diacritical symbols that
cannot stand alone. It's a dot inside the symbol changing the Hebrew Vet into
Bet. Similar in French for ^ or ´ in â or á.

Khaled is the expert in this topic and he said in comment 20: "...inserted as
 with a text style... we don’t join spans when shaping (long outstanding
bug, might be the root for bug 61444)."

So updating the font will not improve anything. Perhaps a topic to dive in for
Hossein.

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--- Comment #34 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #33)
> You are too fast, I submitted the patch this morning so the nightly build
> wont be ready until tomorrow (depends on OS and mood of build machines).

I will also add that the behavior with David CLM is the exactly same for me
with Liberation Sans.

With font family such as Noto Sans Hebrew and Frank Ruehl CLM, the behavior is
very similar, except that in the Insert Special Character dialog we see the
Dagesh/Mapiq dot slight outside and to the left of the dotted circle.

If you'd like, I can attach a screenshot of the Insert Special Character with
the two different families.

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--- Comment #33 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #32)
> So, part of the issue is now gone, but something still tells LO that the
> inserted Dagesh/Mapiq is somehow not an integral part of the run of text
> with its preceding letter.

You are too fast, I submitted the patch this morning so the nightly build wont
be ready until tomorrow (depends on OS and mood of build machines).

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--- Comment #32 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #31)
Here's how it stands with the latest nightly:

* In the Insert Special Character dialog, with font David CLM, the Dagesh/Mapiq
(U+0x5BC) character _is_  shown as placed inside the base character (dotted
circle and a point inside of it). OK (buggy behavior gone)
* If I choose to insert a Dagesh/Mapiq, the character at which it is still
inserted is not affected, and indeed we see the Dagesh/Mapiq on the outside and
to the left. BUG
* If I insert a Dagesh/Mapiq from the clipboard, by pasting, it is inserted on
the inside of the character. OK (but there is still a discrepancy from
insertion using the Special Character dialog)
* If I insert a Dagesh/Mapiq using the keyboard, pressing RightAlt+ד in Hebrew
layout, it inserted on the inside of the character. OK (but there is still a
discrepancy from insertion using the Special Character dialog)
* If I select the text including the Dagesh/Mapiq I inserted, and set the the
font to David CLM or anything else, the Dagesh/Mapiq is _not_ doubled, and in
fact takes its appropriate position inside the character. OK  (buggy behavior
gone)

So, part of the issue is now gone, but something still tells LO that the
inserted Dagesh/Mapiq is somehow not an integral part of the run of text with
its preceding letter.

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--- Comment #31 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Updated the Culmus font package to 0.133 in bug 141553. The new font may solve
this issue.

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--- Comment #30 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #29)
> Please don't let us wait another year on this bug with no action :-(

Bug still manifests with:

Version: 7.1.0.3
Build ID: f6099ecf3d29644b5008cc8f48f42f4a40986e4c
CPU threads: 4; OS: Linux 5.9; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3
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--- Comment #29 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
Bug still manifests with:

Version: 6.3.2.2
Build ID: 1:6.3.2-1
CPU threads: 4; OS: Linux 5.2; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3; 
Locale: he-IL (en_IL); UI-Language: en-US

And please don't let us wait another year on this bug with no action :-(

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--- Comment #27 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
Still seeing this with build:

ּVersion: 6.2.0.0.alpha0+
Build ID: ad6adb1bfadf49af3187a0bb3ceffbf355e9eed1
CPU threads: 4; OS: Linux 4.9; UI render: default; VCL: gtk2; 
TinderBox: Linux-rpm_deb-x86_64@70-TDF, Branch:master, Time:
2018-09-29_02:45:20
Locale: en-US (en_IL); Calc: threaded

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--- Comment #25 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #24)
> Is there really a "David CLM1" attribute there or is it just a typo?

Not a typo, as its the style:name value and not the font name. Bellow is pulled
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--- Comment #24 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
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>

Is there really a "David CLM1" attribute there or is it just a typo?

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--- Comment #23 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #20)
> Looking into the XML source, the mark character is inserted as  with a
> text style that points to the same font (though I don’t understand ODT’s XML
> that much), and I think we don’t join spans when shaping (long outstanding
> bug, might be the root for bug 61444).

Yes i checked the XML as well which looks like this

 
   
   
 
 
   
 
 ...
 
  ה
  ּ
 

So the problem seems to be that the special character dialog is not taking into
account that 'David CLM' is already set in P1's  as
style:font-name and as P1 and T2 dont have 'David CLM' in
style:font-name-complex, they arent able to mix. Here is what the XML looks
like when they are correctly joined.

 
   
   
 
 
   
 
 ...
 
  ה
  ּ
 

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--- Comment #22 from Shai Berger  ---
Eyal -- On Linux, you don't need to use the special character dialog for Hebrew
diacritics (Niqqud); the default Hebrew key mapping has U+0x5BC on
+S (that's ד for דגש) and the rest of them on similarly reasonable
places. That is, of course, a workaround, there still appears to be a problem
with the special-char dialog.

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--- Comment #21 from Khaled Hosny  ---
This is likely to be breaking other things as well like kerning a and
ligatures.

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--- Comment #20 from Khaled Hosny  ---
Looking into the XML source, the mark character is inserted as  with a
text style that points to the same font (though I don’t understand ODT’s XML
that much), and I think we don’t join spans when shaping (long outstanding bug,
might be the root for bug 61444).

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--- Comment #19 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Akshay may know.

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--- Comment #18 from Khaled Hosny  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #17)
> Khaled, Maxim, Caolan: Any thoughts why inserting this hebrew diacritic isnt
> getting combined correctly with the hebrew character before it, until both
> character as selected and the font name reapplied to both of them?

Looks like the special characters dialog is inserting the character with a
different font. Checking the actual ODT XML should show if this is the case.
That being said, I know nothing about how this dialog works.

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 Blocks||71732

--- Comment #17 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Khaled, Maxim, Caolan: Any thoughts why inserting this hebrew diacritic isnt
getting combined correctly with the hebrew character before it, until both
character as selected and the font name reapplied to both of them?


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[Bug 71732] [META] Bugs related to text rendering, typography and font features
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--- Comment #16 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #15)
>  This should be filed as a separate bug.

Go for it :-)

Additionally, I'm starting to think maybe this bung and bug 113135 are more
related than one would initially assume... perhaps even being dupes of each
other.

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--- Comment #15 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Created attachment 137001
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=137001=edit
screencast of font change with mouse or keyboard selection

So inserting the Mapiq from the special character dialog does insert it in the
wrong location and selecting the Heh and the Mapiq results in the font name
toolbar field to go blank, which normally means that multiple fonts are in the
selection, so this is quite strange.

But what i noticed when testing this bug and which can be seen in the
screencast is that when you select the Heh by keyboard, it will also select the
Mapiq, which will result in the character appearing correctly when changing the
font, but if you select the Heh by mouse, it will not select the Mapiq,
resulting in no change of the Mapiq when changing the font. This should be
filed as a separate bug.

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Summary|Hebrew Dagesh/Mapiq |Hebrew Dagesh/Mapiq
   |mis-rendered in Special |mis-rendered with Culmus
   |Chars dialog & when |fonts in special chars
   |inserted|dialog and when inserted

--- Comment #14 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #12)
> Created attachment 136993 [details]
> double-mapiq after inserting a Dagesh/Mapiq and setting its font right
> 
> If I do the following:
> 
> 1. Open the "mapiq from different sources" document
> 2. Select the Heh with the Mapiq (הּּ)
> 3. Set the font to David CLM
> 
> The Mapiq gets doubled.

It worked fine with me with these steps

1. open attachment 136983
2. select after the Heh with the Mapiq
3. press delete
4. select the Heh with the Mapiq
5. set the font to David CLM

I opened the odt in word and it showed a square character next to the Mapiq, so
i'm assuming two Mapiqs were pressed next to the Heh, which is why one appeared
in the middle and one at the end in your steps.

> Same thing happens if Do:
> 
> 1. Create new document
> 2. Set the font to David CLM
> 3. Write the letter He (ה)
> 4. On the menus, choose, Insert | Special Character
> 5. Select U+0x5BC (at this point you have the Mapiq rendered to the side of
> the He)
> 6. Select the Heh with the Mapiq (הּּ)
> 7. Set the font to David CLM
> 
> you again get the double-Mapiq - in the middle and to the side.

I dont get double-Mapiq. Screencast coming.

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