[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 116298] Hide/Show grips of Sidebar decks are too intrusive

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116298

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |tietze.he...@gmail.com
   |.freedesktop.org|
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX
   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED

--- Comment #20 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #18)
> IMHO => WF


(In reply to Rainer Fiebig from comment #19)
> AFAIC, you may close this thing.
> Thanks for your time and effort.

Thank you for reporting and discussing the issue.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 116298] Hide/Show grips of Sidebar decks are too intrusive

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116298

--- Comment #19 from Rainer Fiebig  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #18)
> (In reply to Rainer Fiebig from comment #17)
> > Making the handles less intrusive or even obsolete should still be an urgent
> > design-goal, imo.
> 
> Reality is that Tomaž spent a fair bit of time on these widgets to ensure
> they function well for our lowres users on legacy hardware in addition to
> our growing community of HiDPI. The draw their colors from theme of the DE.
> 
> As noted comment 14, we probably should remove the show/hide grip button
> from the second "detached" Navigator deck.
> 
> Not clear the design can really be improved without additional control logic
> for the widget--an effort simply not justified. And certainly not "urgent"
> in any sense.
> 

OK, obviously we're not tuned to the same wavelength. So let's cut our losses
in time now and move on.
AFAIC, you may close this thing.
Thanks for your time and effort.


> But, patches always welcome... 
> 
> IMHO => WF
> 
> @Tomaž, any thoughts on a solution? And, how hard to remove the grip from
> sidebar decks when detached (or the F5 instance Navigator)?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 116298] Hide/Show grips of Sidebar decks are too intrusive

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--- Comment #18 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Rainer Fiebig from comment #17)
> Making the handles less intrusive or even obsolete should still be an urgent
> design-goal, imo.

Reality is that Tomaž spent a fair bit of time on these widgets to ensure they
function well for our lowres users on legacy hardware in addition to our
growing community of HiDPI. The draw their colors from theme of the DE.

As noted comment 14, we probably should remove the show/hide grip button from
the second "detached" Navigator deck.

Not clear the design can really be improved without additional control logic
for the widget--an effort simply not justified. And certainly not "urgent" in
any sense.

But, patches always welcome... 

IMHO => WF

@Tomaž, any thoughts on a solution? And, how hard to remove the grip from
sidebar decks when detached (or the F5 instance Navigator)?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 116298] Hide/Show grips of Sidebar decks are too intrusive

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--- Comment #17 from Rainer Fiebig  ---
After de-installing libobasis5.4-kde-integration, the background-color of the
handles changed from black to the one you can see in attachement
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=140513. 

That's an improvement. The other colors didn't change and still match the
color-theme. 

Doing the same for LO-5.3 didn't have any negative effect, everything looks
like before.

So it seems that on my system (KDE-4) "libobasis5.x-kde-integration" is not
necessary for LO-5.3 and actually impairs KDE-integration for LO-5.4.

Making the handles less intrusive or even obsolete should still be an urgent
design-goal, imo.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 116298] Hide/Show grips of Sidebar decks are too intrusive

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--- Comment #16 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Not a fan of these controls too we should keep in mind that it's an interactive
control actually a button. But we should definitely go with a better theme
color than DarkShadowColor.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 116298] Hide/Show grips of Sidebar decks are too intrusive

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--- Comment #15 from Rainer Fiebig  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #14)
> Of course, always some potential to change the visuals of the grips as
> implemented by Tomaž in solving bug 83527.  Use of a single full width
> triangle pointer in 7px x 72px size and using the "DarkShadowColor" for fill
> of the grip  (as extracted from DE theme in use) remains IMHO the correct
> choice cross platform and especially for our HiDPI scaling needs. Not sure
> an alternative shading/color drawn from DE theme is possible.
> 
> But, OPs use case of a Navigator (F5) docked left with its width extended,
> places its "Hide/Show" grip into center of view. And I do think we can do
> something to remove that visual noise. Near term we should remove the grips
> from the "temporary [1]" 2nd Navigator deck (linked to its F5 toggle).
> 
> Longer term  do we even need include the "Hide/Show" grips when implementing
> detached Sidebar decks (bug 85905)? Probably not. 
> 
> Samuel, Tomaž?
> 
> =-ref-=
> [1] as worked out in bug 73151, F5 will continue to control a 2nd detached
> Navigator (using the Sidebar deck/content panels structure) to support
> having Navigator and Style decks visible at the same time.

Thanks, sounds promising.

For me, keeping the triangle as an indicator and giving up the dark-colored
rectangle would be a major improvement.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 116298] Hide/Show grips of Sidebar decks are too intrusive

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Thomas Lendo  changed:

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 Blocks||103459


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103459
[Bug 103459] [META] Sidebar UI and UX bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 116298] Hide/Show grips of Sidebar decks are too intrusive

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116298

V Stuart Foote  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
Version|5.4.5.1 release |5.0.0.5 release
   Keywords||needsUXEval
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org,
   ||qui...@gmail.com,
   ||s.mehrbr...@gmail.com
 Ever confirmed|0   |1
Summary|Sidebar-buttons too |Hide/Show grips of Sidebar
   |intrusive   |decks are too intrusive
   Severity|normal  |enhancement
 OS|Linux (All) |All

--- Comment #14 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Of course, always some potential to change the visuals of the grips as
implemented by Tomaž in solving bug 83527.  Use of a single full width triangle
pointer in 7px x 72px size and using the "DarkShadowColor" for fill of the grip
 (as extracted from DE theme in use) remains IMHO the correct choice cross
platform and especially for our HiDPI scaling needs. Not sure an alternative
shading/color drawn from DE theme is possible.

But, OPs use case of a Navigator (F5) docked left with its width extended,
places its "Hide/Show" grip into center of view. And I do think we can do
something to remove that visual noise. Near term we should remove the grips
from the "temporary [1]" 2nd Navigator deck (linked to its F5 toggle).

Longer term  do we even need include the "Hide/Show" grips when implementing
detached Sidebar decks (bug 85905)? Probably not. 

Samuel, Tomaž?

=-ref-=
[1] as worked out in bug 73151, F5 will continue to control a 2nd detached
Navigator (using the Sidebar deck/content panels structure) to support having
Navigator and Style decks visible at the same time.

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