[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 125999] Add button name to extended tooltips

2019-06-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999

Ulf Zibis  changed:

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 Ever confirmed|1   |0

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 125999] Add button name to extended tooltips

2019-06-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999

--- Comment #6 from Ulf Zibis  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #5)
> Good point, but what _name_ exactly would support you? There is the internal
> unique variable ID (see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language#KeyID)
> and we have label and (normal) tooltip.

I'm happy that even one understands the problem I wanted to point on :-)

As "button name" I meant the content of the normal tooltip, so that this
term/phrase is available for both sides, even they have a different option set
for the tooltips.

It may look like this (short tooltip highlighted):

 -
! << Short tooltip >> !
! Very lng!
! describing tooltip. !
 -

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 125999] Add button name to extended tooltips

2019-06-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Good point, but what _name_ exactly would support you? There is the internal
unique variable ID (see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language#KeyID) and
we have label and (normal) tooltip.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 125999] Add button name to extended tooltips

2019-06-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999

--- Comment #4 from Ulf Zibis  ---
I have some coaching clients whom I support on using LO.
For beginners I often have enabled the extended tooltips, so they better know
what a button is doing. The problem then is, when they have questions via
phone, they can't tell me the name of the button, they have questions on.
For example in Calc there are three buttons for sorting. It's difficult to
explain someone which button I mean, without knowing the name of the button.
Even for me with some rarely used functions it would better to always the know
the name to better remember it or find some info about it in the web.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 125999] Add button name to extended tooltips

2019-06-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999

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--- Comment #3 from Ulf Zibis  ---
I have some coaching clients whom I support on using LO.
For beginners I often have enabled the extended tooltips, so they better know
what a button is doing. The problem then is, when they have questions via
phone, the can't tell me the name of the button, they have questions on.
For example in Calc there are three buttons for sorting. It's difficult to
explain someone which button I mean, without knowing the name of the button.
Even for me with some rarely used functions it would better the know the name
to better remember it or find some info in the web about it.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 125999] Add button name to extended tooltips

2019-06-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999

--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Ulf Zibis from comment #0)
> With extended tooltips enabled I don't see this any more, but a longer
> description.

The tooltip shows up for me was a proper distance to the control and never (at
least not always) overlaps. Agree with Stuart on WF/WFM.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 125999] Add button name to extended tooltips

2019-06-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999

V Stuart Foote  changed:

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   Keywords||needsUXEval
 Blocks||108400
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   ||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu

--- Comment #1 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Not a fan, and though currently Extended tips are out of service (bug 118148),
Tooltip hints in the core label and the extended tips are complementary,
combining the short tooltip/label with the more detailed 'extended' tip would
not improve UX. 

And, as the extended tips is our mechanism for providing A11y support, sounding
the Button name, the short tooltip, and the extended tip would become
distracting/annoying for AT dependent users.

IMHO => WF


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108400
[Bug 108400] [META] Toolbar tooltip bugs and enhancements
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