[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 38093] Functionality request for Writer: Add Outliner similar one in Impress as basis for outlining component

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--- Comment #32 from Cougar Brenneman  ---
I'm sorry, I keep using OO rather than LO, because although I haven't been
willing to use either one for many years because of this functional deficit.

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--- Comment #31 from Cougar Brenneman  ---
Let's be specific with actual documents I've written, which are book length
(including all of the APIs and developers guides for I-Flow at Fujitsu in the
1990s).

I hide everything but chapter headings. Then I use the buttons to rearrange the
chapters by dragging and dropping. This literally takes 5 seconds or less.

Then within the chapters, I hide everything except the headings and I rearrange
them by dragging and dropping them to new locations, including in other
chapters. This also takes 5 seconds or less for major reorganization of the
material.

The same goes for subheadings, paragraphs (with lines hidden), and even clumsy
sentences. I'll take a clumsy sentence, break it into five clauses, use the
button to drag and drop the clauses into a logical order, and then reassemble
the sentence, which is no longer clumsy.

NONE of this is possible with OO. It is possible with Word and WPS, and in
those tools, rearranging by dragging and dropping the buttons is instantaneous.

I wrote and published over 200 trade magazine articles using this method as
well as a multichapter section in a book on Cold Fusion 6 in the 90s, other
APIs and user guides, and I currently am working on a novel and a large,
multi-volume nonfiction book. I'm also currently reviewing my PHP code and my
jQuery code for a project I've been visualizing for decades.

When I'm talking about VITAL tools for being a writer, I'm talking from
successful. Incidentally, at Fujitsu, I wrote in Word because of the outliner
and then imported it into Framemaker for publication. I could NOT simply work
in Framemaker, because Framemaker did not have this functionality. I needed
this functionality for production work.

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--- Comment #30 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Cougar Brenneman from comment #29)
> Let's try again. 

Ok.

> 1) In Outliner View, Word puts a little button in front of every paragraph
> or heading that you can use to drag and drop. This is a key feature which is
> not at all available in OO.

Ok; agreed - I missed that those "text points" you were mentioning are normal
paragraphs; yes, this is missing.

> 2) In Outliner View, all text below any heading can be hidden. This creates
> a headings only view.

The Navigator's headings provide you just that: a heading only view.

> 3) In Outliner View, all headings which are children of a selected heading
> can be hidden. This can, for instance, create an "h2 and above view" or an
> "h3 and above view."

The Navigator allows you to collapse any heading's children. Also, it allows
you to limit view to only N levels, hiding all levels below L (say, only level
1 and 2 would be visible).

> 4) Text paragraphs can be viewed with only the first line showing.

This one was the one I agreed to in comment 28. No need to reiterate.

> 5) In Outliner View, when you drag and drop that little button icon in front
> of the paragraph or heading, all of the hidden text and headings go along
> with the heading that you're dragging. BY DRAGGING AND DROPPING THAT SINGLE
> BUTTON, you can drag 10,000 hidden words from below 10,000 other hidden
> words, and drop them in the new location. Then you can collapse those 20,000
> words under a different heading, and drag them invisibly to another new
> location. Then you uncollapse all of the sections, hide all but the first
> lines of the entire page, and drag paragraphs into new positions before
> displaying the whole paragraphs that you've dragged around.

Dragging isn't working in Navigator (for some unclear reason); still, there are
"Promote/Demote Chapter" and "Promote/Demote Level" buttons on the Navigator's
toolbar, which do just that: move chapters with everything inside them (all
those thousands paragraphs and included sublevels).

> I HATE the fact ...

This is totally irrelevant. The discussion here isn't about anyone's
personality and feelings; it's about figuring out what needs addressing (and
that's why I jumped in and try to clarify what is really missing, and what is
already present - and thus not needed in this discussion, because it only
clutters it and makes the issue unmanageable).

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--- Comment #29 from Cougar Brenneman  ---
Mike Kaganski(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #28)
> (In reply to Cougar Brenneman from comment #27)
> 
> So everything you wrote sums up to only this? "LibreOffice cannot do #6 from
> the list; everything else is easily done using Navigator".

No, LibreOffice cannot do everything up to this point. When I can't use MS
Word, I use WPS Office because it has the features I'm describing. I have the
latest LibreOffice on my computer, and it does NOT.

Let's try again. 
1) In Outliner View, Word puts a little button in front of every paragraph or
heading that you can use to drag and drop. This is a key feature which is not
at all available in OO.
2) In Outliner View, all text below any heading can be hidden. This creates a
headings only view.
3) In Outliner View, all headings which are children of a selected heading can
be hidden. This can, for instance, create an "h2 and above view" or an "h3 and
above view."
4) Text paragraphs can be viewed with only the first line showing.
5) In Outliner View, when you drag and drop that little button icon in front of
the paragraph or heading, all of the hidden text and headings go along with the
heading that you're dragging. BY DRAGGING AND DROPPING THAT SINGLE BUTTON, you
can drag 10,000 hidden words from below 10,000 other hidden words, and drop
them in the new location. Then you can collapse those 20,000 words under a
different heading, and drag them invisibly to another new location. Then you
uncollapse all of the sections, hide all but the first lines of the entire
page, and drag paragraphs into new positions before displaying the whole
paragraphs that you've dragged around.

I HATE the fact that when I can't use Word, I have to put the security of my
system in the hands of the Chinese (with WPS Office), when the Chinese have a
history of malicious hacking. 

With both Word and WPS Offices, I can perform this magic.
With OO,  I canNOT perform this magic. This makes OO a VASTLY inferior product.

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--- Comment #28 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Cougar Brenneman from comment #27)

So everything you wrote sums up to only this? "LibreOffice cannot do #6 from
the list; everything else is easily done using Navigator".

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--- Comment #27 from Cougar Brenneman  ---
In the migration from one system to another, my comments have been lost, but I
have been very vocal about this need. I want to echo the previous commenter:
The outliner in Word is so superior to anything similar in LibreOffice that I
will never use LibreOffice until something as good is present here. 

In the 1980s, prior to the wide acceptance of Word, I wrote all of my magazine
articles for eight years using a primitive outliner named PCOutline. The
outliner functions were so absolutely important to me that I was not tempted by
anything else until I was convinced that Word's outliner was actually an
improvement--for instance, because I could use a mouse for editing.

I'm always concerned about what I would do if I no longer could use Word's
outliner, so I've made a study of everything I can find. WPS Office from China
is an okay outliner, and if I were forced to choose between LibreOffice and WPS
Office, I would choose the latter because of the outliner.

The functions of an outliner that I love:
1) I can brainstorm in text points and then drag and drop these brainstorms
into headings that I generate on the fly.
2) When a heading gets too bloated for convenient dragging and dropping, I can
collapse it and continue dragging and dropping until the job is done.
3) Within each heading, I can create subheads and organize the points in that
heading into the subheads through dragging and dropping.
4) I can create subheadings to nine levels, collapse all of the text points,
and organize the entire document by dragging and dropping. When I move a
heading with collapsed text, all the text goes with the heading, as well as all
of the children subheadings.
5) I can easily switch back and forth between outline view and draft or print
view. When doing so, formats of headings and text are preserved, but all
collapsed text and subheadings are visible in the draft or print view. 
6) Word outliner view allows all text to be collapsed to a "Show First Line"
view. In this view, I see only one line for every paragraph in the document.
This enables extremely efficient reorganization of paragraphs.

The benefits of an outliner which I will never abandon for a straight word
processing program:
1) Brainstorms can be quickly organized to a very granular level without any
loss of time.
2) Documents can be totally reorganized in seconds or minutes. 
3) Outliners replace project management software by enabling whole project
planning, detailed subproject planning, and efficient integration of all
levels.
4) To-do lists do not become obsolete, but just get reorganized into the new
plan.

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--- Comment #26 from ZK  ---
I'd like to add another vote for this feature. I use LibreOffice and I love it,
but I dearly miss this feature from MS Office. I wrote my thesis is MS Office
and trying to use LibreOffice instead would have cost me significant extra time
when organizing and reorganizing large portions of text. I created a bug track
ID just to make this comment and I hope this feature gets some serious
consideration.

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--- Comment #25 from Steve  ---
Come on people, how hard can this be.  I can create an HTML document with
elements you can hide/un-hide with an 11 line javascript script put in the
 element, and using 2 strings of javascript, one of the like 37
characters long and the other one like 34 characters long.  The 'parent' string
goes into the element that will always be visible, the 'child' string goes in
the element (such as a ) that you want to hide/unhide

Javascript function script in  Code :


function toggleShowHide(elementId) {
var element = document.getElementById(elementId);
if (element) {
if (element.style.display == "none")
element.style.display = "inline";
else
element.style.display = "none";
}
}


code end/

'Parent' string code (I added the style color stuff so it would show up blue
like a link) :

onClick="toggleShowHide('UniqueID')" style="color:#30"

code end/

'Child' string code :

id="UniqueID" style="display:none"

code end/

You can use anything you want as the label instead of UniqueID, I just used
that as boilerplate.  Just make sure they match.

Used creatively, like putting a list in a , you can have
hideable/collapsible sublists, used in a  you can have descriptive text
about something.  Using hidden lists and hidden spans for the description text,
you can put the whole Encyclopedia Britannica in an HTML document, with
collapsible/hideable lists & sub-lists and description spans.

Here is an entire webpage, that works if you paste it into a plain text editor
and save it as an .html file.  Do NOT, I repeat do NOT, try to use Writer/Web
to do this.  As it does NOT make clean (makes probably the messiest HTML code
of any product I have yet to see) plain HTML code, it messes this thing ALL up.
 If you see anything at all doing this with Writer/Web, it will just be the
code.  I was going to attach the thing as an attachment, but it's only 41 lines
long.

Sample hideable text HTML page code :





Put your Title text here



function toggleShowHide(elementId) {
var element = document.getElementById(elementId);
if (element) {
if (element.style.display == "none")
element.style.display = "inline";
else
element.style.display = "none";
}
}



Put the Header you want for your page here



This is where you put the text for your page

Click here to see
hidden text




This is the text that you are hiding from view until it is clicked 







code end/

Just copy that code, paste it into a plain text editor and play with it all day
clicking the blue text and watching the hidden text in the spank appear and
disappear.

SURELY someone could easily translate this into the code used to work in
LibreOffice and integrate it as a function(s) or method(s) or whatever you
would use.

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--- Comment #24 from d...@dondwiggins.net ---
I've been following the OO bug almost since its beginning.  Unfortunately, the
discussion there has been somewhat polluted by rancor between commenters. 
Consider this a heartfelt plea to avoid this happening here!  Please, folks,
keep your comments relevant to the desired feature.  If you have a taste for
flame wars, please take them elsewhere.

As a small contribution to this bug, I offer a description I gave several years
back of the outlining capability of Ecco Pro, a Windows PIM:
http://www.compusol.org/ecco/outlining.html.

To be clear, Ecco is not a candidate for an outlining component of a word
processing application or suite.  However, I've been using it for well over a
decade as a project/task organizer and tracking tool.  The main reason for
posting it here is the ease of managing outlines, including easy restructuring
as needed.  It might be useful to review Ecco's outlining functions when
designing the outliner for LO.

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--- Comment #23 from Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org ---
With 325 comments, this ticket's sibling on the OO side is by far the most
commented there: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959#c325

Writer's keyboard shortcuts to 'Promote/Demote One Level' and 'Move Up/Down
with Subpoints' work well with bullet lists but disappointingly not with title
levels... Extending their use to titles would be a nice way to start
alleviating the outlining pains in Writer without having to incur the high cost
of implementing a new view.

Also, those who wish some perspective on the state of the art might want to
look at those few examples...

A non-WYSIWYG example in the deceptively spartan Vim, The Vim Outliner:
http://bike-nomad.com/vim/vimoutliner.html - it does everything a classic
outliner does, as its documentation explains:
http://bike-nomad.com/vim/README.otl.txt

A cross-Apple example - Apple only, but the UI scales across the whole product
range from phone to desktop: https://www.omnigroup.com/omnioutliner/#Write -
autistic software, but functionally very nice.

A web-based example: https://www.theoutlinerofgiants.com - utterly removed from
the desktop world, but perfect for those newfangled youths who were born in a
browser... And it has an example structured document that happens to be a
great dissertation about the outliner nature:
https://www.theoutlinerofgiants.com/outliners

From that one, for some nice historical examples I recommend the sections
covering Wordperfect and FullWrite Pro at http://www.atpm.com/10.03/atpo.shtml

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--- Comment #22 from Keith Collyer ke...@collyer.uk.net ---
(In reply to inpost from comment #15)
 (In reply to Susan Cragin from comment #10)
  (In reply to comment #9)
   Thanks for good explanation. It is interesting idea. 
  
  It's a critical idea. 
 
 Use jedit; see: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959#c245

Answered: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959#c246

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--- Comment #15 from inp...@gmail.com ---
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 (In reply to comment #9)
  Thanks for good explanation. It is interesting idea. 
 
 It's a critical idea. 

Use jedit; see: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959#c245

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--- Comment #13 from Bernhard Rohrer grayl...@sm-wg.net 2012-06-10 04:28:39 
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a relative of this bug as been open in OOO for 10 years now (sic!)and is the
bug with the most votes there and still has not been addressed. This
functionality is one of the things where MS Word outshines OOO and LO really
needs addressing as it is a requirement for writing large texts. Please,
please, please let's finally get this fixed!

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 38093] Functionality request for Writer: Add Outliner similar one in Impress as basis for outlining component

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Bernhard Rohrer grayl...@sm-wg.net changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Priority|medium  |high

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 38093] Functionality request for Writer: Add Outliner similar one in Impress as basis for outlining component

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--- Comment #12 from Matthew B mbilliode...@gmail.com 2012-05-12 14:42:02 PDT 
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Noticed this request/forum after already posting this:
http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/2596/text-folding-pretty-please

Please add folding text functionality to the next release of Writer or give
advice on how to make add-on.

Additional Comments:
For brain storming, outlining, studying, code writing, drafting documents, or
helping the reader brief documents quickly, Folding text/collapsible outlining
is a must! It makes the tasks listed not only possible but a breeze. 

The programs which already offer this feature are EXTREMELY poor word
processors. They DO NOT compare to MS Word or Libre Writer.  Writer needs this
capability as it will give them a huge advantage over OpenOffice and MicrSoft.

Additional Suggestions for Functionality.  Yes, the General
FoldingText/Outlining available capability in MS Office and omin outliner is
good, but if Libre Office is developing this, while add it these features
should be considered:

- Yes, the paragraph summary displaying only the first sentence, but also...

- Additional Summary/Folding Options: the option to customize what is displayed
in place of the full text (ie, customize the summary item that is displayed in
place of the full text).
Txt summary item may be either:
 i.   PreDefined text (ex, +, note, ..., Summary, a bullet)
 ii.  Auto Enumerated text- (ex exhibit, exhibit2, par1, par2)
 iii. Auto text Summary of:
only the First Paragraph.
only the First Sentence.
only the First line.
until page full, but not more than 2 lines,  at least 1 line.
 iv.  Any Custom Text/Field. examples
(click to see examples)  
Class Notes [Date].
  v.  Any picture or other item.

***In all instances***: 
1. ability to format summary item (be it text or pic) like any
other text or pic in the doc.
2. ability to not allow or to allow the editing of the summary
item.
3. method indicating inlinetext is summarized (ex, highlight on
mouse over)


NOTE: The following feature MIGHT not be able to be added with a single script
project, but probably need to be separate scripts, but still should be packaged
as one add-on with previous features.

- Inline Summary of ANY string of words/symbols/or inline pictures (not limited
to a whole paragraph).  
DESCRIPTION: Highlight any inline item (words, pictures, etc), click a
summarize button, user is given option to condense (hide) highlighted text
and display only the summary item (which could be any text specified by user, a
bullet like +, a picture, or text box).  The summary item is formatable and
inline with the text around it, editable just like any item in the doc. But,
being a summary item, right clicking it will give the additional option to show
hidden text, and vice versa.  And right clicking on hideable text will give the
additional option to display only the summary (the summarized item).  

- In-Line Text Preview for embeded or linked documents.  
DESCRIPTION: The embeded/linked document would be represented by a summary
item.  The summary item can be any user defined item (ex {...}, a long or
brief description, a bullet, or image). But Writer should also give an
additional option in the case of embedding or linking a document: the option to
make any portion of the embeded/linked document the summary item, NOT allow any
change to that summary item (except formatting), BUT updating the summary item
when the linked document/embedded document changes.  Finally, right clicking
the summary item will give the additional option to open the document.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 38093] Functionality request for Writer: Add Outliner similar one in Impress as basis for outlining component

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--- Comment #11 from Nick222 nick...@yandex.ru 2012-05-04 08:49:00 UTC ---
Outline View in Writer is very importent!

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 38093] Functionality request for Writer: Add Outliner similar one in Impress as basis for outlining component

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--- Comment #10 from Susan Cragin susancra...@earthlink.net 2012-02-07 
06:28:35 PST ---
(In reply to comment #9)
 Thanks for good explanation. It is interesting idea. 

It's a critical idea. 
Single pane outliners with the ability to organize visually and move large
blocks of text are critical to writing and publishing. 
I know many writers and most use Macs just to get OmniOutliner, which is the
gold standard for writers and academics right now. I teach and belong to a
professional writers' group and every serious published member seems to have a
Mac running OmniOutliner except me. 
There are also several other good single-pane outliners for Macs. 
On Windows the best is the discontinued EccoPro. MSOffice has an okay one that
my students have to use to learn to outline. 
Linux has nothing at all. 
Currently I draft using Scite and the CSS stylesheet function to get a good
nesting outline. It's far from ideal and I have {{{ brackets and strange colors
all over the place. I also run Notepad2 with code folding, which runs well in
wine. N2 has keystrokes to move blocks of text up and down. Coupled with the
outline function, that makes this tiny program very useful for drafting. 
LO's Navigator is good when you have a finished document, but nearly useless
for brainstorming and organizing. Moving back and forth is a time-consuming. I
would work entirely from the navigator panel if I could, but of course you
can't edit the navigator panel. 
Dave Winer's OPML editor might provide some interesting open-sourced code.
This is more than an interesting idea. This is a critical function. My only
quesstion is whether it should be a view in LO's writer or be made a special
outlining program. I could do without formatting, fonts, publication views and
so on to really be able to organize lots of text.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 38093] Functionality request for Writer: Add Outliner similar one in Impress as basis for outlining component

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sasha.libreoff...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|Outliner in Impress as  |Functionality request for
   |basis for outlining |Writer: Add Outliner
   |component?  |similar one in Impress as
   ||basis for outlining
   ||component

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