[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 48461] FORMATTING - Proposal for improving 'fill characters' (bleeding, leading tabs)

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 Status|NEW |UNCONFIRMED
 Ever confirmed|1   |0

--- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze  ---
The TOC dialog provides option to style each level individually. And this
paragraph style has all options about fill characters and transparency.
If you want to middle align the TOC vertically you could use a table with a
single cell. In case of a variable distance of lines so that the content is
spread over the whole page I'm afraid you have to play with the line spacing.
Perhaps someone else has an idea how to achieve that automatically.
I'd say you can have what you want with the existing functionality -
WORKSFORME. But maybe I miss something. In this case it would be helpful to add
an example how it should look eventually.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 48461] FORMATTING - Proposal for improving 'fill characters' (bleeding, leading tabs)

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Bob Harvey  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #11 from Bob Harvey  ---
@ Heiko Tietze 

well, the fill character is not right justified, and I can't find any way to
make white space between the index text and the run of fill characters.  The
'transparency' setting has to be done by hand, it can't be automatic.  I rather
thought I had suggested what I thought it should look like, but hey.

But mine was an enhancement suggestion made originally in 2011.  If no-one else
has suggested it and no-one wants to take it on, then I guess it can be
rejected.  It doesn't seem like a works for me to me.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 48461] FORMATTING - Proposal for improving 'fill characters' (bleeding, leading tabs)

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--- Comment #12 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Created attachment 122062
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=122062=edit
TOC dialog with styles tab

You can assign a style to the index levels, as shown in this screenshot. This
paragraph style has the option "tabs" where type and fill char can be modified
as well as transparency.
Couldn't you try to simulate with direct formatting or image processing how it
should look like, if this doesn't help?

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--- Comment #9 from Joel Madero  ---
Again, please don't bump enhancements. Thanks

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--- Comment #8 from Bob Harvey  ---
Still keen.
It occurs that  right-to-left typologies may need the logic inverting.  I know
nowt about how RTL systems handle TOC however.

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--- Comment #6 from Bob Harvey  ---
Aby further ideas on this?

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--- Comment #7 from Joel Madero  ---
Should get ux input - in all honesty, it could take a long time to implement
this as volunteers would have to find it interesting (and prioritize it over
the other several thousand bugs).

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 48461] FORMATTING - Proposal for improving 'fill characters' (bleeding, leading tabs)

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Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 48461] FORMATTING - Proposal for improving 'fill characters' (bleeding, leading tabs)

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Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com changed:

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 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #3 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
Unfortunately part of the reason this has been in UNCONFIRMED for so long is
because it requires us to dig through comments on someone else's bug tracker.
We require clear and concise information on our bug tracker - saying click
this link and see is not sufficient. Please provide the information here and
if necessary say see comment #n on PROVIDE LINK) - vs. just go browse this
extensive bug report on AOO's framework.


Marking as NEEDINFO. Once clear info is provided here, including pointers to
what comments we should look at on the link you provided, mark as UNCONFIRMED
and we'll see if we can at least get it to NEW status.

Thanks for your understanding

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--- Comment #4 from Bob Harvey bobhar...@europe.com ---
OK, fair enough.

1.  Bleeding (or leading) tabs fill in between TOC text on the left and the
page numbers on the right.   In LO this is done with a character specified as a
fill character, but those are left justified the same way as the text.  That
means that, with a proportional font for the text, they don't line up down the
page: the dots on one row might fall in between the dots on the row above,
creating an unpleasant mash.   My proposal would have:
- A minimum white space between the text and the bleed
- A minimum white space between the bleed and the page number
- the fill characters would be right-justified and right-aligned so that they
form attractive vertical columns on the page.

The present system of tabs can be used to set the final white space between the
right hand end of the bleed and the page number, and a number of similar tabs
(according to how variable the text lengths are), the point where the bleed
starts on the left.


2.  The text and the index number can be made to stand out better if the fill
characters are greyed relative to the text and the index number.  

It will be easier to follow the bleed across the page if the level of greying
were to be different for successive lines.  This is similar to the green and
white stripes on old-fashioned fanfold music printouts.  For example, you
might provide the option to have four levels of greying (or transparency) for
the bleed fill characters and apply them sequentially, allowing the user to
select schemes like:
80%
60%
40%
20%
or alternatively
75%
25%
75%
25%
or even
90%
0%
90%
0%
to produce alternate rulings and blanks.

Some finessing might be applied according to heading levels, if possible: the
sequence of 4 might want to be reset for new chapters or new heading levels 1,
or the greying/transparency might be set by heading level instead of (or as
well as?) the sequential idea.  

In my mind the actual level of greying would be the multiplicative product of
the sequential and the heading level settings, such that setting either one to
all 100% would select the other technique instead, or they could be mixed by
someone creative.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 48461] FORMATTING - Proposal for improving 'fill characters' (bleeding, leading tabs)

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Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
Thanks Bob - just gets complicated when we are jumping around bug trackers with
a ton of comments. 

Marking as UNCONFIRMED

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--- Comment #2 from Bob Harvey bobhar...@europe.com ---
Bump - still unconfirmed after 6 months

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--- Comment #1 from Bob Harvey bobhar...@europe.com 2012-08-12 07:47:32 UTC 
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Any thoughts on this?

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