[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2020-11-01 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50699

--- Comment #89 from Gerhard Weydt  ---
(In reply to John from comment #87)
> (In reply to Gerhard Weydt from comment #85)
> > Since the extension site has been changed, the extension is available via
> > https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/template-changer
> 
> Thanks, Gerhard.
> 
> Just in case, for a better understanding:
> 
> 1. There was an abandoned extension Template Changer by another author.
> 
> 2. Because the original extension was abandoned, Gerhard created a new one,
> DocumentTemplateChanger, and it was available via
> https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/documenttemplatechanger
> 
> 3. Now Gerhard's extension changed its name back to Template Changer and it
> is available under the original url.
> 
> I hope I haven't messed anything.

That's correct. I just want to add, that the version 2.0.0 (at the original
URL) was not entirely correct, of which I wasn't aware, because for a longer
time I could not access the extension. A corrected version 2.0.1 is now
available there.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2020-11-01 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #88 from Gerhard Weydt  ---
(In reply to emmapk1 from comment #86)
> This is a bug but it needs to be fixed. Template associated with document
> must accommodate changing. I have recently used an online contract
> termination template that was easy to fill in and modify. Visit
> https://www.kuendigung.services/vorlage/kuendigung/telekom. They are well
> known contract termination service provider. They use quality template to
> save our time.
I agree that it would be better to have this functionality within LibO and not
only in an extension. But the example that you provide has nothing to do with a
LibO template, it's a totally different type, what is often called a form. As
you seem to be German or living in Germany: a form is "Formular", template is
"Vorlage".

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2020-10-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #87 from John  ---
(In reply to Gerhard Weydt from comment #85)
> Since the extension site has been changed, the extension is available via
> https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/template-changer

Thanks, Gerhard.

Just in case, for a better understanding:

1. There was an abandoned extension Template Changer by another author.

2. Because the original extension was abandoned, Gerhard created a new one,
DocumentTemplateChanger, and it was available via
https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/documenttemplatechanger

3. Now Gerhard's extension changed its name back to Template Changer and it is
available under the original url.

I hope I haven't messed anything.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2020-10-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #86 from emmapk1  ---
This is a bug but it needs to be fixed. Template associated with document must
accommodate changing. I have recently used an online contract termination
template that was easy to fill in and modify. Visit
https://www.kuendigung.services/vorlage/kuendigung/telekom. They are well known
contract termination service provider. They use quality template to save our
time.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2020-10-03 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #85 from Gerhard Weydt  ---
Since the extension site has been changed, the extension is available via
https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/template-changer

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2020-08-01 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #84 from Rich R  ---
(In reply to Gerhard Weydt from comment #68)
> (In reply to Gerhard Weydt from comment #67)
> > Created attachment 149243 [details]
> > New extension Document Template Changer as a substitute
> > 
> > It has been a week that the extension was published by me, with the message
> > that it had still to be revised. Nothing has happened since. I'll stick to
> > the case, but meanwhile I publish the file here.
> 
> The extension is now available in
> https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/documenttemplatechanger

Thank you for this! It works on single documents, but not on folders.  I use
custom paths so that my templates get backed up automatically...maybe that is
the problem?  As it stands, in the dialog to change directories, there is
nothing in any of the dropdowns, and opening the file chooser (...)doesn't
invoke the file manager.  I have LO 6.3 via manjaro still.  I set LO to use the
system file chooser as I don't like the LO one, so maybe that is the case?  I
am not the only one, another commentator left a review on the LO templates site
having the same problem.  THanks for this extension!

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2020-06-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #83 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Off-topic: Anyone can take over the maintainership of an extension now. Just
ask the infra team, release manager, or me.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2020-06-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #82 from jeroen van gorkum  ---
(In reply to Gerhard Weydt from comment #81)
> It's a long discussion, and perhaps you have not read through all comments,

i've read this thread (and others about template changer) in their entirety,
because i need this functionality to switch successfully from AOO to LO. 

> It seems that the author is no longer to be found or not replying. [...]
> Unfortunately it seems not possible to add a link to the new extension in
> the old one, because one has to be the author of that to add text.

of course it's not up to me, but André (author) said in bug 60592, comment 6
that his work is LGPL. so why not release a new version of Template Changer on
the Extensions website that is under your control?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2020-06-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #81 from Gerhard Weydt  ---
(In reply to jeroen van gorkum from comment #80)
> what's the status on this extension for LO 6.4.4? is it available?
> maintained?
> 
> comment #68 links to a Page not found page, and a search on
> https://extensions.libreoffice.org/?q=template+changer only lists the old
> one.

It's a long discussion, and perhaps you have not read through all comments, but
I have provided an extension which replaces the old extension which no longer
works because of some changes in LibO which have not been reflected in the old
extension. It seems that the author is no longer to be found or not replying.
You can find the link to the new extension "DocumentTemplateChanger" in comment
#68. Unfortunately it seems not possible to add a link to the new extension in
the old one, because one has to be the author of that to add text.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2020-06-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #80 from jeroen van gorkum  ---
what's the status on this extension for LO 6.4.4? is it available? maintained?

comment #68 links to a Page not found page, and a search on
https://extensions.libreoffice.org/?q=template+changer only lists the old one.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2020-03-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Oliver Brinzing  changed:

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   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2019-12-03 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Xisco Faulí  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||xiscofa...@libreoffice.org
   Priority|medium  |high

--- Comment #79 from Xisco Faulí  ---
Changing priority to 'high' since the number of duplicates is higher than 5 or
the number of people in CC higher than 20

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2019-11-29 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Xisco Faulí  changed:

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   Priority|high|medium

--- Comment #78 from Xisco Faulí  ---
Changing priority back to 'medium' since the number of duplicates is lower than
5

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2019-10-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #77 from Gerhard Weydt  ---
(In reply to John from comment #76)
> (In reply to Gerhard Weydt from comment #75)
> 
> > Second
> 
> I mean that it could be used as a workaround: instead of trying to change
> the template of the existing document:
> 
> 1. create a new document associated with the required template
> 2. replace the contents of the new document with the contents of the old
> document (Select All > Cut > Paste).
> 
> I'm not going to say that this workaround is really good.
> 
> * First of all, it's not very quick and intuitive.
> * Also, the meta-information will be lost (File > Properties > Description).
> 
> These two pitfalls weren't visible for me when I posted my previous message.
> And therefore I was sure that the described workaround is much better. Now I
> changed my mind.
> 
> > Third
> 
> Yes, you are correct. I mean that in this case the template should be
> launched using general-purpose file manager.

To deal with your last two lines quickly: I still don't understand that,
because the aim is to use no template or to cut the link to a used template, so
why should there be the need to "launch" (whatever that means) a template?

But the main point is, and perhaps you missed it because you stopped reading
somewhere, as you confessed: There is an extension doing all that is asked for,
see comment 68. The workaround to create a new document based on the new
template and then cpoying the content of the previous document does work, but
it requires some work. I first thought that no great problem, when I stumbled
over the bug report, but people reported problems with broken links (see
comments 62 and following), so I realized that this could be a lot of work if
many documents were afffected.
There was an older extension which did not work any longer, due to some
technical reason, and the author could not be reached. So I decided to create a
new extension, after I had been convinced that there was a need for it. I don't
know for the moment how much I relied on his code.
The extension allows to link another template to an existing document (changing
the appearance whereever changed styles are concerned), to cut the link to the
template (i. e. disregard present and future changes to the template, which is
, as I assume now without additional testing, the same as renouncing to update
a document with respect to the template when opening it), to reactivate this
link (there is no function for that in standard LibO), and to deelete the link,
leaving the document as permanently stand-alone without template (again there's
no LibO function.
So I think there is no need for thinking about workarounds. The extension seems
to work, as 14 persons voted it up and no one voted it down; a big number of
votes should not be expected for such a special feature.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2019-10-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #76 from John  ---
(In reply to Gerhard Weydt from comment #75)

> Second

I mean that it could be used as a workaround: instead of trying to change the
template of the existing document:

1. create a new document associated with the required template
2. replace the contents of the new document with the contents of the old
document (Select All > Cut > Paste).

I'm not going to say that this workaround is really good.

* First of all, it's not very quick and intuitive.
* Also, the meta-information will be lost (File > Properties > Description).

These two pitfalls weren't visible for me when I posted my previous message.
And therefore I was sure that the described workaround is much better. Now I
changed my mind.

> Third

Yes, you are correct. I mean that in this case the template should be launched
using general-purpose file manager.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2019-10-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #75 from Gerhard Weydt  ---
(In reply to John from comment #73)
> A really long discussion. I started to read, but then stopped.
> 
> It should be considered that:
> 
> 1.
> 
> Writer has built-in an option to load the styles:
> 
>   Main menu > "Styles" > "Load Styles"
>   or
>   "Styles" pane > "New Style from Selection" button > Load Styles
> 
> 2.
> 
> Using the previous way, the template will not be "sticky", i.e. the styles
> in the document will not be automatically updated according to the changes
> in the template.
> 
> But there is nothing critical, we have another way:
> 
>   1. Copy your custom template in the Templates folder.
>   2. Create new document based on this document using main menu > "File" >
> "New" > "Templates". Save it. (The location of the "Templates" folder could
> be discovered using main menu > Tools > Options > LibreOffice > Paths >
> Templates).
>   3. Done. The template is now associated with your document. Then, if you
> want to de-associate them, repeat the above-mentioned steps, but now the
> template should be outside of the Templates folder.
> 
> Please, correct me in case it's not true - because I'm just a random guy
> here.

First: A general remark: You should never comment on a text you haven't read
through!
Second: What you describe in point 2 is the way to base a new document on a
template. But this is not the object of the present discussion. It is concerned
with associating another template to an already existing document.
Third: If you really mean what you say in point 3, then this is an
impossibility: One should create a new document on a template that is not
available via "File" > "New" > "Templates" by using this menu path!

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2019-10-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #74 from John  ---
A link to my previous message:
https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Open_1#Opening_Documents_With_Templates

And its duplicate:
https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/94134/synchronize-style-sheets-across-documents/

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2019-10-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #73 from John  ---
A really long discussion. I started to read, but then stopped.

It should be considered that:

1.

Writer has built-in an option to load the styles:

  Main menu > "Styles" > "Load Styles"
  or
  "Styles" pane > "New Style from Selection" button > Load Styles

2.

Using the previous way, the template will not be "sticky", i.e. the styles in
the document will not be automatically updated according to the changes in the
template.

But there is nothing critical, we have another way:

  1. Copy your custom template in the Templates folder.
  2. Create new document based on this document using main menu > "File" >
"New" > "Templates". Save it. (The location of the "Templates" folder could be
discovered using main menu > Tools > Options > LibreOffice > Paths >
Templates).
  3. Done. The template is now associated with your document. Then, if you want
to de-associate them, repeat the above-mentioned steps, but now the template
should be outside of the Templates folder.

Please, correct me in case it's not true - because I'm just a random guy here.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2019-05-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #72 from Pierre C  ---

(In reply to Gerhard Weydt from comment #71)
> 
> Hi Pierre,
> 
> I could not contact you by direct mail in order to get a test file due to -
> probably - technical problems of the mail provider(s), hence I do not know
> which special constellation caused the error (I vainly tried to create a
> file which produced an error).
> So I added a test to the code which simply avoids evaluating the attribute
> which caused the error, if it's not present, which does no harm, as the
> statements executed apply only to this attribute.
> This is contained in the new version 1.0.2 on the extensions website. Please
> test your file with this new version.

Hi,
You can contact me to :

- The name just after Hi
- dot
- choffardet
- at free.fr

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2019-05-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #71 from Gerhard Weydt  ---
(In reply to Pierre C from comment #70)
> I've an error with the extension, when linking a template to a doc. (see
> attached)

Hi Pierre,

I could not contact you by direct mail in order to get a test file due to -
probably - technical problems of the mail provider(s), hence I do not know
which special constellation caused the error (I vainly tried to create a file
which produced an error).
So I added a test to the code which simply avoids evaluating the attribute
which caused the error, if it's not present, which does no harm, as the
statements executed apply only to this attribute.
This is contained in the new version 1.0.2 on the extensions website. Please
test your file with this new version.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2019-05-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #70 from Pierre C  ---
I've an error with the extension, when linking a template to a doc. (see
attached)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2019-05-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #69 from Pierre C  ---
Created attachment 151533
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Error in extension

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2019-03-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #68 from Gerhard Weydt  ---
(In reply to Gerhard Weydt from comment #67)
> Created attachment 149243 [details]
> New extension Document Template Changer as a substitute
> 
> It has been a week that the extension was published by me, with the message
> that it had still to be revised. Nothing has happened since. I'll stick to
> the case, but meanwhile I publish the file here.

The extension is now available in
https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/documenttemplatechanger

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2019-02-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #67 from Gerhard Weydt  ---
Created attachment 149243
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=149243=edit
New extension Document Template Changer as a substitute

It has been a week that the extension was published by me, with the message
that it had still to be revised. Nothing has happened since. I'll stick to the
case, but meanwhile I publish the file here.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2019-02-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #66 from Pierre C  ---
(In reply to Gerhard Weydt from comment #65)
> I now filed a new extension named "DocumentTemplateChanger", which at the
> moment still waits for revision before it will be published.
> It works for Writer, Calc, Impress and Draw and has additional features,
> compared to TemplateChanger. Most important is perhaps the ability to
> connect again to the template if one has inadvertently answered by No when
> asked whether the styles sould be updated.
> I hope this helps as long as there is no solution in standard LibreOffice.

Great !
Where can I download and test this extension ?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2019-02-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #65 from Gerhard Weydt  ---
I now filed a new extension named "DocumentTemplateChanger", which at the
moment still waits for revision before it will be published.
It works for Writer, Calc, Impress and Draw and has additional features,
compared to TemplateChanger. Most important is perhaps the ability to connect
again to the template if one has inadvertently answered by No when asked
whether the styles sould be updated.
I hope this helps as long as there is no solution in standard LibreOffice.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2019-01-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50699

--- Comment #64 from Jon Grossart  ---
The main reasons to relink a document to the a different template (besides the
ones where it doesn't link to a new change -- and I've definitely had template
links get broken even with the template still exists) if you occasionally
change your default template and want old documents to be easily updated to the
new format. 

Currently, that involves:

1. load the styles from another document
2. create a document from the new template
3. copy and paste over so that the correct styles are supplied

If you just copy and paste the text over, you either keep the old text (because
it keeps the extra formatting on top of the style version) or you past
unformatted, but then you need to go back and fix everything.

For me, I run a small business, and there are times when I want to keep a
document linked to header from a specific time, but then easily copy the
document over and update to the new header as well. Think for things like
generating reports and such. I need to keep both header templates around, not
just change the base one.

As mentioned, writer and Impress probably need this the most, but other apps
can benefit from it as well. And seeing as how the basic functionality is
already in LibO (since it can update styles) and it would help give parity to
Word/MS Office (which can use Quick Styles which is essentially super fast
template switching with preview -- but there is an enhancement request for
that), I don't see why there so much against this request.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2018-12-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #63 from Gerhard Weydt  ---
(In reply to Pierre C from comment #62)
> @Gerhard Weydt
> I need to link a template to a document. Mostly to re-link. Because link can
> be loosed by too ways (at least) :
> - If you choose "don't update styles" when template has changed
> - If you open and work with your document and the template is not where it
> should be (works on another computer, network link failed, worng
> configuration of templates path...)

Ok, these are convincing reasons for the need of this functionality which I
asked for in comment 60. As I didn't use document templates yet, I had no
experience with those situations.
I will continue to work an a solution, which in my case can only be an
extension. I already could make the old template changer extension work again
in my installation by changing some variable names which obviously have been
changed in some version of LibO. But I also want to expand the scope to the
other document types in LibO, because I don't think the restriction to Writer
is crucial, and to add the feature to not only cut the coupling to a template,
but even erase the information that it once was linked, which is still being
kept when one has denied the question to transfer the changed formatting to the
document. The question for that posed by a user was the reason I started to
look into this subject.
I don't know yet whether I will be able to change the old extension or to
create a new one.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2018-12-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #62 from Pierre C  ---
@Gerhard Weydt
I need to link a template to a document. Mostly to re-link. Because link can be
loosed by too ways (at least) :
- If you choose "don't update styles" when template has changed
- If you open and work with your document and the template is not where it
should be (works on another computer, network link failed, worng configuration
of templates path...)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2018-12-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #61 from Gerhard Weydt  ---
After two or three days since I posted my comment I think it might sound a bit
harsh.
In fact I am thinking about providing a new solution for this problem, which
will certainly not be completely differing from Template Changer.
This extension has, as far as I now see, some shortcomings, e.g. the
restriction to Writer, the cause of which I do not understand at the moment, my
first tests were done in Calc and did work, and - as it seems - the assumption
of always changing all files of a directory with certain extensions - , but the
problem, that it no longer works, is obviously only due to the renaming of some
LibO variables, I made it work in a test case by changing them.
I still think that there is not so much need for the functionality, so I'm not
sure yet whether I will supply an extension with a menu entry in LibO or a
simple document that includes a macro to be started from there (which
nevertheless could probably be easily copied to MyMacros, although).
In any case I will only set all relevant information concerning the new
template, leaving the changing of the formatting to LibO which will prompt for
it when the document is opened for the next time (there's some meddling with
numbering styles in Template Changer which I do not understand); I think that
is the only feasible way to add a function in this quite complex situation,
leaving to LibO to do the work.
I'll post a message here when the "extension" is published.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2018-12-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50699

--- Comment #60 from Gerhard Weydt  ---
Different strains seem to get mixed up in this discussion which should be
clearly separated (details follow below). I list them because they have been
alluded to somewhere, in order to get rid of most of them quickly:
1. The possibility to change a document template attached to a document, the
initial reason for this bug report (for which I question the need in many
cases)
2. The ability to update the styles used in a document using a model - which
can be any document or a template in the way LibO uses this term
3. The use of a template to initialize some aspects of newly created documents
4. The ability to promote changes of this template to the documents attached to
it

Comment #30 talks of Writer and Impress, but this is relevant for Calc and Draw
as well.
Comments #32, 37 and 47 correctly state that not only styles are involved (in
contrast to Comment #52 which seems to imply the contrary).

It might be useful to first recall what LibO already can do. My tests have been
primarily been done with Calc, because my interest was triggered by someone
asking about Calc Templates, but this may be even an advantage, as most people
on this thread seem to be looking to Writer and perhaps Impress.
- There is the possibility to copy (and eventually overwrite) all styles of a
document using another document (which must not be a so-called template) as a
starting-point, in Writer. This would indeed be wished for for Calc, Draw and
Impress too. So #2 is available for writer , but desired for the other modules.
- There is the possibilty to create document templates (in each of the LibO
modules) which may be used to set many of the quite complex attributes of a new
document by copying. No one in this thread seems to question the extent of the
copied attributes, so we take this function as accepted. This covers #3.
- Promoting changes (#4) in a template created according to #3 is done by LibO:
you will be asked if you want to accept changing all relevant settings using
the template or not. This includes not only character and paragraph styles, but
also footer and header settings, including attributes for the texts of the
divers components of these and e.g.borders of these. Unfortunately, the text of
the prompt uses the wording "update Styles", but in fact there will be done
more: most (or all, I'm, not sure) settings will be changed.

So, excepting the extension of #2 to all components, question #1 remains to be
discussed.
Now, looking at this question more closely:
You may well design a series of cascading templates using ever more concrete
settings, and changing one of these at a parent level would probably (as I
hope) trigger questions about propagating these changes at the lower level (by
already existing LibO functionality). This might be a scenario for a bigger
company using lots of document templates which are base on simpler models,
which again use other models etc.
But I don't see a frequent need to set a different template to the document:
the changes should be done by changing the settings of the parent document
(which could be some steps higher in the lineage).

Thus I think that really replacing a document template by another is a very
extreme and seldom occasion. It could be done, as far as I know, by the
following macro, which should be located, as far as the momentary coding is
used, within the document:
Sub setzeVorlageInfos

dim dt as NEW com.sun.star.util.DateTime

oDoc = ThisComponent
prop = oDoc.DocumentProperties
prop.TemplateName = "master2"   'set Name, this example fits the file name in
the following statement
prop.TemplateURL =
ConvertToURL("C:\Users\gerha\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\4\user\template\master2.ots")
  'this is an example
dt = prop.TemplateDate  'Date ist set to 'zero', so there will be a prompt
because of differnent time stamp
dt.Nanoseconds = 0
dt.Seconds = 0
dt.Minutes = 0
dt.Hours = 0
dt.Day = 0
dt.Month = 0
dt.Year = 0
dt.IsUTC = FALSE
' bis hier...
prop.TemplateDate = dt

End Sub

After using this macro, the document should be opened, because then the user
would be prompted to apply the changes caused by the new template to the
document. Thus, all necessary changes will be done.
Thus, this simple macro in combination with the existing functionality of LibO
seems to me to be doing all that is necessary.
I still want to repeat that I think that there is rarely a need to change the
template of a document (whereas I quite see the need for changing the existing
template, a scenario which seems to be coverd by Libo standards).
But for these rare cases I think using a macro is sufficient, adding
functionality to LibO core I deem not necessary.

My summary is that there is no need for a core functionality to change the link
to a document template, as this seems to be a rare exigency.  The normal case
would be to change the existing template; and for these extrem cases a macro is

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2018-12-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50699

--- Comment #59 from Hamid  ---
Some are following this line to fix the issue. That's great. I would like to
add some info from my own time I spent finding a solution, if not provided so
far in the existing comments since I did not check them all. Also my opinion on
the design part of it.

There is the concept of sticky templates which after creating many documents
with LO just encountered recently:
https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Open_1#Opening_Documents_With_Templates

That could easily take a person's time by updating and seeing no results.
Better call it sticky trick.

Also this wiki on template management seems out of date:
https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Template_Management

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #31 from Patrick Smits batav...@gmail.com ---
I just entered into a few related items

a) Normally if you create a document on template_1 by double clicking on it,
the macro's stored in template_1 are available in the newly created document.

However if you create macro's in a second template_2 and replace template_1
with template_2 with Template Changer, the macro's in template_2 are not
available to the document.

b) The same thing applies to keyboard shortcuts linked to macro's in templates.
I guess this is because you cannot store keyboard shortcuts in templates.

I am not sure if I should file them as bugs or feature requests though, since 
a) Template Changer is not an official part of the LO project.
b) I'm not sure if this is by design or just a missing feature, since it may
have security related consequences, p.e. you could link a malicious macro
operation to a widely used keyboard shortcut. Any thoughts on that?

P.S. not being able to install Template Changer at my work computer is solved.
It was a permission issue.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Jon Grossart j...@grossart.net changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||89445

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #27 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
That clearly wasn't what I was saying at all. What I was saying is that when
users who know no code say how easy things are to implement, they are likely
mistaken. Just because an extension is well commented does not mean it's easy
to implement (I would personally love to see CT2N brought into core...but it's
not so easy).

I have no issue with this ability being brought into core - all I'm saying is
that: (1) it needs to be in c++; and (2) it's likely not as easy as one might
assume if they aren't aware of c++ and the 10,000,000 lines of code that we
already have.


If you choose to take this as a personal insult, that's on you. I also am not a
programmer (I dabble in C++ but this would be well above my abilities). And,
I've been told on a number of occasions that things I assumed would be easy to
do, would in fact be either impossible or really really hard. That's all I was
saying...sorry if you read more into my comment than I intended

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #26 from Pierre C pierre.choffar...@free.fr ---
@Joel Madero

in other words : IF I don't know C++ I just have to shut up. Without this
Knowledge, I'm not allowed to give my point view on this bug.

Oh yes I can, but I won't be heard... 

OK So I'm wasting my time filling bugs. That wasn't clear for me. Now it is.

thanks a lot

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #24 from Pierre C pierre.choffar...@free.fr ---
@Joel Madero
That's clear... And easy.

This extension is not written in JAVA but OOBasic.

This extension does not work since some OOBASIC functions were depreciated

This extension is (were) one of the most popular on Both LO an LO

Styles are a great OO/LO feature

So, where is the problem telling that linking an existing doc to an existing
template should be a core feature of LO ?

The code is on the extension, less than 200 lines, and the code is highly
commented. (that mean less than 100 real lines of code)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #28 from Pierre C pierre.choffar...@free.fr ---
I did not take this as a personal insult but as an easy way to solve a problem
or to answer a question.

I don't know C++, but many other languages. Changing template link is just
modifying XML. I'm sure it's not very difficult. It 's just the choice to not
consider this as a priority. And I accept this choice. It just have to be
assumed.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #25 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
From my understanding it still has to be written in C++. If it's so clear and
commented - feel free to create a C++ patch and submit it to gerrit.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC|jmadero@gmail.com   |

--- Comment #29 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
Last post on this (removing myself from cc) but need to say that we have no
collective priority - we are a team of volunteers who individually choose
what we want to implement. For more information (while not exactly on point, it
gives a clear explanation of how there really is no collective priority):
http://joelmadero.wordpress.com/2014/10/11/user-expectations-and-the-reality-of-our-community/?sn=cc=326#comment-326

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Jon Grossart j...@grossart.net changed:

   What|Removed |Added

  Component|Extensions  |LibreOffice

--- Comment #30 from Jon Grossart j...@grossart.net ---
Since it's my bug, and it should be core functionality, and it was imported
from the old tracker, I've updated it to LibreOffice.

The reasons for that over writer, is that Impress also uses templates, and this
functionality should exist there as well.

So, Writer and Impress both need it.

The extensions at best is a short term workaround in any fashion, as it should
be core functionality as it ties in so explicitly with templates and styles.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #23 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
So let's be clear here - we can't just bundle it as is - it's written most
likely in Java. To make it into Core it'd have to be written in C++. If anyone
on this thread wants to do so - please feel free to do it and submit it to
gerrit.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Timur gti...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89
   ||286

--- Comment #21 from Timur gti...@gmail.com ---
I understand that this bug IS about adding the ability of replacing templates
as a stock functionality of LO. 
What might make confusion is that it's now marked as Component: Extensions. But
in no way that should be about changing Template Changer extension, but about
adding it to core LO. If that'll help, I suggest that be changed to Component:
Framework or Component: Writer (because it works only with Writer).

As written many times, Template Changer is one of the most frequent used
extensions, and it's really justified to have it in core LO, or at least as
bundled extension. Adding new bugs that ask for the same will unlikely help
when those ones stay open for years.  
What might help is that you change bug 89286 to ask for Template Changer to
become bundled with the installer (that's more important than Wiki Publisher I
guess).
What I'd like to know is where you got Template Changer 1.2.7c from, it's not
updated neither in LO extensions nor in OO extensions.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #22 from Patrick Smits batav...@gmail.com ---
 I understand that this bug IS about adding the ability of replacing
 templates as a stock functionality of LO. 
 What might make confusion is that it's now marked as Component: Extensions.
 But in no way that should be about changing Template Changer extension, but
 about adding it to core LO. If that'll help, I suggest that be changed to
 Component: Framework or Component: Writer (because it works only with
 Writer).

For me it sure would, because bug 60592 from  Mirosław Zalewski about the
Template Changer extension was marked as RESOLVED NOTOURBUG.

Since comment #3 in this bug, there seemed to be a tendency in this thread to
accept a fix for the extension as the solution to this bug. Combined with bug
60592 and the NOTOURBUG seemed like a dead end, hence my new bug report. So I
support changing it.

 As written many times, Template Changer is one of the most frequent used
 extensions, and it's really justified to have it in core LO, or at least as
 bundled extension. Adding new bugs that ask for the same will unlikely help
 when those ones stay open for years.  

Agreed.

 What might help is that you change bug 89286 to ask for Template Changer to
 become bundled with the installer (that's more important than Wiki Publisher
 I guess).

Wouldn't that block a definite solution?

 What I'd like to know is where you got Template Changer 1.2.7c from, it's
 not updated neither in LO extensions nor in OO extensions.

I download version 1.2.7b, renamed it to a .zip and examined its contents. This
allowed me to slightly modify and fix it.

P.S. At work it still doesn't install, I get an error that points to a
permission problem:
(com.sun.star.deployment.DeploymentException) { { Message = You need write
permissions to install this extension!, Context =
(com.sun.star.uno.XInterface) @555c018 }, Cause = (any) { void } }

The search continues, but now I really have to get some work done ;-)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Timur gti...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Version|3.5.4 release   |Inherited From OOo

--- Comment #17 from Timur gti...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Patrick Smits from comment #15)
 Since I use this functionality quite often, I thought that this extension
 was the only way to achieve it, but this functionality is in the core of LO.
 It resides in the dialog Styles and Formatting, icon top right, click-hold.

Can you please describe it little better or attach a screenshot? 
Do you mean Load Styles... icon? If so, that's not the same as template
changer.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #18 from Patrick Smits batav...@gmail.com ---
Timur  Pierre C: You're both right. Since the extension stopped working when
upgrading to LO 4.4.0.3 I created a new bug (89286) to draw attention to this
problem. In that bug Cor pointed me to a solution I didn't know about, and
thought it would fix it for me, but you're both right: it doesn't.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #19 from Timur gti...@gmail.com ---
Template Changer 1.2.7c (the one you attached here) seems to work for me on LO
4.4.0.3., installed in a clean profile on W7 64bit.  I use Template Changer for
documents on which I assign a template. Try one with different first page
(logo) and you'll see that loading styles is sth. different.  Bug 89286 looks
like a duplicate to me.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50699

--- Comment #20 from Patrick Smits batav...@gmail.com ---
Hi Timur,

Thanks for your comment. I can install Template Changer 1.2.7c on two of my
home machines, but it fails on my machine at work. So tomorrow at work I'll try
again with a clean profile. Hope that helps.

Nonetheless, as explained in my last comment on bug 89286, I strongly believe
replacing templates should be stock functionality. It's been in MS Word since
at least version '97. I regard this extension as merely a band aid, although
I'm depending on it more than I want to admit ;-)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50699

--- Comment #15 from Patrick Smits batav...@gmail.com ---
Since I use this functionality quite often, I thought that this extension was
the only way to achieve it, but this functionality is in the core of LO. It
resides in the dialog Styles and Formatting, icon top right, click-hold. Hope
this info is of any use to visitors of this bug.

I think this bug can be closed, since the extension is obsolete now.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2015-02-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #16 from Pierre C pierre.choffar...@free.fr ---
@Patrick Smits
I'm not sure that it does the same things as template changer

By this way, I can load styles from a template, BUT the template file isn't
linked to the document. You can see this by looking to the properties of your
document (files/properties/General Tab  -- template)

So any update of your template file will not be propagated to your document.

But this UI, can be  used to add this feature. By just adding a check box link
this template to the document

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2014-07-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #12 from choffardet pierre.choffar...@free.fr ---
Maybe here is an idea for the next GSoC ?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2014-07-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50699

manj_k courrier.oou.fr@googlemail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugs.freedesktop.or
   ||g/show_bug.cgi?id=60592

--- Comment #13 from manj_k courrier.oou.fr@googlemail.com ---
(In reply to comment #10)
 [...]
 I'd only like Template Changer menus to be available in File  Templates
 like up to template-changer-1.2.6.oxt and not in File  Send like in
 template-changer-1.2.7b.oxt.

→ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60592#c11

(Added bug 60592 to See Also)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2014-07-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #14 from psmits batav...@gmail.com ---
Created attachment 103193
  -- https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=103193action=edit
New version of Template Changer that resides under Files/Templates.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2014-05-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Timur gti...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugs.freedesktop.or
   ||g/show_bug.cgi?id=60648

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2014-05-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50699

Timur gti...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||gti...@gmail.com
   See Also||https://bugs.freedesktop.or
   ||g/show_bug.cgi?id=60589

--- Comment #10 from Timur gti...@gmail.com ---
I support this request and suggest it be added to MAB. 

While File  Templates with Organize was available up to LO 3.6, not in LO
4.0 and 4.1 now there's File  Templates  Manage in LO 4.2 but it's only for
a new document, not for changing template in the existing document. 

I'd only like Template Changer menus to be available in File  Templates like
up to template-changer-1.2.6.oxt and not in File  Send like in
template-changer-1.2.7b.oxt.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2014-05-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #11 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
Enhancement requests never belong on MAB list. Thanks for not adding it

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2013-06-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #9 from László Németh nem...@numbertext.org ---
Note: A fix of Template Changer extension for LibreOffice 4:
http://numbertext.org/tmp/template-changer-1.2.7b.oxt (Its menus have been
moved to File » Send.)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2013-04-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Thomas Arnhold tho...@arnhold.org changed:

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 CC||mini...@poczta.onet.pl

--- Comment #7 from Thomas Arnhold tho...@arnhold.org ---
*** Bug 60660 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2013-04-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #8 from Thomas Arnhold tho...@arnhold.org ---
(In reply to comment #6)

I think you're absolutely right. It should be a core feature of LibreOffice.
But until it isn't the extension could do a great job and may be also bundled
by default, so everyone get's this feature.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2013-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #6 from Jon Grossart j...@grossart.net ---
I would say 60660 is a duplicate of this.

RE: Comment 3: If the extension worked, that should be fine, however, something
this basic should really be part of the core build since it is a VERY basic
features, especially since they push using templates (and spent time
redesigning the template manager).

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2013-04-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #5 from David djrei...@gmail.com ---
Does https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60660 duplicate this
bug/feature request?

See comment #3 in that #60660 comment thread for what is *needed*.

Thank you!

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2013-02-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #4 from Jon Grossart j...@grossart.net ---
I supposed it would be fine to update the extension, but the problem was also
that it didn't update the all the styles.

However, this seems like such a basic thing that I don't even know why it's not
a default feature instead of an extension.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2013-02-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Thomas Arnhold tho...@arnhold.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|Allow ability to change a   |Template Changer: Allow
   |document's associated   |ability to change a
   |template|document's associated
   ||template
  Component|Libreoffice |Extensions

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 50699] Template Changer: Allow ability to change a document's associated template

2013-02-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #3 from Thomas Arnhold tho...@arnhold.org ---
So target would be to get the extension working again.

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