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--- Comment #24 from Alex Thurgood ipla...@yahoo.co.uk ---
Adding self to CC if not already on

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #23 from Robinson Tryon (qubit) qu...@runcibility.com ---
(In reply to Robinson Tryon (qubit) from comment #22)
 David, if you really want to see this through, here's how I suggest you do
 it:

Hiya David,
This bug has been sitting around for over a month. I'm more than happy to help
you move forward with the proposal to use alternate Java builds.

I've thought a bit more, and here are some good steps:
- Test each new LibreOffice build (alpha, beta, RC, and release) on Windows
with these Java builds
- Get a better picture of the long-term plans for these builds (is there more
than just a 1-man show? who else is contributing?)
- Talk to QA about getting more people testing LO + these Java builds

Let me know about the game plan :-)

Best,
--R

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--- Comment #22 from Robinson Tryon (qubit) qu...@runcibility.com ---
(In reply to david.vantyghem from comment #0)
 ...It would be great to add it to LibreOffice, so
 LibreOffice would become a 100 % free software.
 OpenJDK binaries : https://github.com/alexkasko/openjdk-unofficial-builds

FWIW, LibreOffice is 100% Free Software. It's up to the user if they want to
run it on a Windows machine, or use a proprietary build of Java in conjunction
with it...

(In reply to david.vantyghem from comment #18)
 There are a lot of freesoftware projects or a lot of Debian packages or a
 lot of Firefox OS softwares that are maintained by one or 2 people.

Oh, certainly. I just don't know anything about Alex, and I don't know if
anyone else here does.

 If you consider that a free software project must not be used nor helped
 because of the number of its maintainers, so you must use Windows or an
 iPhone and you will be quiet.

*sigh*

The irony here is that this bug concerns running LibreOffice on *Windows*, a
proprietary OS. Please remember that we're doing the best we can with the
resources that we have.

 I'm not sure that the number of maintainers is
 really a good indicator for choosing or not a free software, especially when
 you are using an awful proprietary software instead.

Or we could just reduce our dependence on Java, too :-)

I think that you've got your heart in the right place, but I don't think that
this current conversation in the bug tracker is convincing us that LibreOffice
should include this particular build of Java with our Windows installers.

What about other 100% FOSS Windows builds of the OpenJDK? Seems like someone
has a company that provides them, and it might be worth your time to
investigate:
http://www.azulsystems.com/products/zulu

David, if you really want to see this through, here's how I suggest you do it:
1) Start testing LibreOffice against these Windows-based OpenJDK builds
2) Take some notes and see if you're running into any compatibility bugs
3) Help us to reduce the LibreOffice dependencies on Java
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Java
4) Be patient

Thanks,
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--- Comment #11 from Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org ---
I think that we can't take the responsibility to recommend to install a non
official build of OpenJDK.

Best regards. JBF

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--- Comment #12 from david.vantyg...@free.fr ---
Is it a bigger responsability than recommending to install non-free software
Oracle JAVA ?
And it's possible to make a compilation of OpenJDK, like KASKO explain it.

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--- Comment #13 from Robinson Tryon (qubit) qu...@runcibility.com ---
(In reply to Jean-Baptiste Faure from comment #11)
 I think that we can't take the responsibility to recommend to install a non
 official build of OpenJDK.

I think it's fine for us to recommend something provided by someone other than
Oracle, and it's likely that Alex Kasko is a totally hoopy frood, but I would
prefer for us to point to a project's download site, rather than a personal
github repo. (Bus factor of 1, anyone?)

Is there a project that can provide these builds, and/or a plan for someone to
continue Kasko's work?

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--- Comment #14 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
That comparison is a bit . . . non sensical. I agree with JBF here.

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--- Comment #15 from david.vantyg...@free.fr ---
(In reply to Robinson Tryon (qubit) from comment #13)
 (In reply to Jean-Baptiste Faure from comment #11)
  I think that we can't take the responsibility to recommend to install a non
  official build of OpenJDK.
 
 I think it's fine for us to recommend something provided by someone other
 than Oracle, and it's likely that Alex Kasko is a totally hoopy frood, but I
 would prefer for us to point to a project's download site, rather than a
 personal github repo. (Bus factor of 1, anyone?)
 
 Is there a project that can provide these builds, and/or a plan for someone
 to continue Kasko's work?

Why doing a new project and not work with Alex KASKO , You can write to him, he
answers to me each time I need help with OpenJDK. I'm trying OpenJDK with each
JAVA software I add into COMPILIBRE USb key and he's helping me.
http://compilibre.sourceforge.net/index_fr-FR.html

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--- Comment #16 from Robinson Tryon (qubit) qu...@runcibility.com ---
(In reply to david.vantyghem from comment #15)
 (In reply to Robinson Tryon (qubit) from comment #13)
  ...but I
  would prefer for us to point to a project's download site, rather than a
  personal github repo. (Bus factor of 1, anyone?)
  
  Is there a project that can provide these builds, and/or a plan for someone
  to continue Kasko's work?
 
 Why doing a new project and not work with Alex KASKO , You can write to him,
 he answers to me each time I need help with OpenJDK.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. My point re: the bus factor was that if 1-3
people at Oracle stop working on OpenJDK downloads (because they quit/get hit
by a bus/or etc..), it's pretty reasonable to expect that other employees will
take up the task. Unfortunately I only see 1 person (Kasko) maintaining the
openjdk-unofficial-builds repo, so I'm concerned about recommending that repo
as our primary source for Java builds on Windows.

Capiche?

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--- Comment #17 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
Hm how about you write to him and report back instead of asking others to do
the work for something that you want (no offense)

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--- Comment #18 from david.vantyg...@free.fr ---
If LibreOffice says that the work of Alex KASKO is the official LibreOffice
JAVA version, others people will join the project. And Libre Office is not the
only software that begin to work with OpenJDK.
There are a lot of freesoftware projects or a lot of Debian packages or a lot
of Firefox OS softwares that are maintained by one or 2 people.
And LibreOffice can use Alex KASKO Git repository or make another one on
LibreOffice servers or whatever you want.
If you consider that a free software project must not be used nor helped
because of the number of its maintainers, so you must use Windows or an iPhone
and you will be quiet. I'm not sure that the number of maintainers is really a
good indicator for choosing or not a free software, especially when you are
using an awful proprietary software instead.

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--- Comment #19 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
You are missing the point entirely - while we TRY to encourage open source our
obligation is to ensure a stable product to our users. If there is one
developer working on OpenJDK there is no way we're going to abandon what we use
now.

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--- Comment #20 from david.vantyg...@free.fr ---
You mean that if some people stop to work on a piece of LibreOffice, you will
always find more than one other people for continue their work ?

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--- Comment #21 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
We have hundreds of developersagain, these comparisons are utterly useless.
I recommend that if one more QA person disagrees with reporter that we close
this as WONTFIX and if it's reopened againwe can take the appropriate
steps.

Last time I accidentally set to NEW which was wrong, pushing back to
UNCONFIRMED as so far there is 1 person (the reporter) in favor, and everyone
else against or very hesitant.

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Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com changed:

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 Status|REOPENED|NEW
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--- Comment #10 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
I think this should be marked as NEW - moving as such. 

To make this move faster I highly recommend emailing the website mailing list.

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Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org changed:

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 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX
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--- Comment #8 from Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org ---
Closing as WontFix due to comment #6 requesting an outdated change on FR
website.
FR website has changed and does not link to java.com anymore.

Best regards. JBF

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--- Comment #9 from david.vantyg...@free.fr ---
No, at https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/system-requirements/ , its wrotten
:
For certain features of the software - but not most - Java is required. Java
is notably required for Base.
- should add a link to OpenSDK.

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--- Comment #6 from david.vantyg...@free.fr ---
(In reply to comment #4)
 How much bigger would this make our downloads/installs?

It's not necessary to add OpenJDK in the LibreOffice package. Simply replace
the link visitez http://java.com/fr/ (site officiel de Java) on the page
http://fr.libreoffice.org/telecharger/ by visitez
https://github.com/alexkasko/openjdk-unofficial-builds;.
I don't know if there are other pages like this in other langages.

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--- Comment #7 from Qubit qu...@runcibility.com ---
(In reply to comment #6)
 It's not necessary to add OpenJDK in the LibreOffice package. Simply replace
 the link visitez http://java.com/fr/ (site officiel de Java) on the page
 http://fr.libreoffice.org/telecharger/ by visitez
 https://github.com/alexkasko/openjdk-unofficial-builds;.
 I don't know if there are other pages like this in other langages.

https://www.libreoffice.org/download/system-requirements/

A few instances of the string:
For certain features of the software - but not most - Java is required. Java
is notably required for Base.

We could put in a link to the KASKO Java builds from the Windows install
section.

For QA/reproducibility purposes, it wouldn't be a bad idea for us to archive
the builds we recommend for Windows, so that we could more easily step back in
time to a particular recommended system config.

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Maxim momonas...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 OS|All |Windows (All)
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Summary|Using OpenJDK instead of|Bundle OpenJDK build with
   |JAVA|Windows installer
  Component|framework   |Installation

--- Comment #5 from Maxim momonas...@gmail.com ---
Changed 'Component' to 'Installation' and 'Platform' to 'Windows' (It's not
needed under Linux, since users can easily install OpenJDK from their distro
repositories). Also corrected summary (LO already can use the mentioned OpenJDK
build, the request here is to bundle it with the installer).

(In reply to comment #2)
 I'm sure that in 10 years, LibreOffice will still need JAVA for databases
 etc.
I don't think it will be the case. The upcoming 4.2 version will contain a
database engine which is not java dependant (although 4.2 Base still depend on
java, because some wizards aren't ported yet).

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