[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87685] include ODF opening options announcement by default when sending document by e-mail

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 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #19 from Xisco Faulí  ---
Putting it back to RESOLVED WONTFIX

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--- Comment #18 from Mike Kaganski  ---
-1

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--- Comment #17 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Like Adolfo and Stuart, this is a -1 in my view as LO is simply forwarding the
open document to the user's email client so that it can be used in a new mail
that will be sent. Anything more than this is beyond what LO should provide
IMHO and the user should look for a solution provided by their email client.

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--- Comment #14 from Edmund Laugasson  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #13)
> Sending per email opens the default mail program with the document as
> attachment (not only as odt but also docx is possible). Why should we fill
> message body of the email client? Isn't it rather a task for this program?

That's true that in next of ODF also other formats are possible. But as
LibreOffice is completely free office suite that everyone can download and use
right away just like Adobe Reader or similar (which are widely advertised and
spammed in every e-mail that contain a .pdf file) and hopefully we would a bit
raise awareness of its existance and capabilities - it would be nice to have an
opportunity not spam people but just mention shortly that such wonderful +
completely free and open-source office suite like LibreOffice exist and is
capable to open not only ODF but also other files, including hybrid-PDF
documents (which I am pretty sure, lots of people just do not know).

Certainly such information into e-mail can be added also without that feature
directly in LibreOffice but it would be just nice to use already known way to
help people by deciding which program to use to open sent file as already have
been used in case of .pdf files while almost all senders suggest to use Adobe
Reader. Especially while LibreOffice is as freely downloadable as Adobe Reader,
actually even more as Adobe Reader is not open-source but certainly most people
do not care about open source-code but being free of charge (hopefully
forever).

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--- Comment #13 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Sending per email opens the default mail program with the document as
attachment (not only as odt but also docx is possible). Why should we fill
message body of the email client? Isn't it rather a task for this program?

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--- Comment #12 from Kenneth Hanson  ---
I'd like to suggest a less controversial and more flexible alternative to the
current request.

Perhaps it would be good to have a dialog where the user can create simple
email templates, for example just a text/HTML subject and body, and select one
to use when sending documents (either preset or at send time).

I have never used LO (or MSO) to email documents, but I suspect such a feature
would take care of the current use case as well as many others, while being
still being easy to understand and use. It might also easier on development
since the template text need not be baked into LO.

I can imagine several ways this might be designed. I can open a new bug later.

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--- Comment #11 from Edmund Laugasson  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #10)
> Comments are clear, and there is not much agreement to a fully implemented
> solution in this thread. But you can surely do such a automatic disclaimer
> with a macro. That would be be a really cool extension.

Do not have programming skills. Does not much matter whether it will be a macro
or just one setting - it would be beneficial feature especially for LibreOffice
community. Why companies may advertise Adobe and send spam (if you call it so)
and actually same companies (and any other people as well) using TDF's
LibreOffice may not?

This would help people understand, that ODF files are not just weird files that
do not open and to avoid using MS Office (MSO) opening ODF and then make people
guess that ODF does not work well while MSO does not show ODF properly. If
people just would know and use proper software for ODF like LibreOffice then it
would be good awareness raising opportunity also for TDF.

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--- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Comments are clear, and there is not much agreement to a fully implemented
solution in this thread. But you can surely do such a automatic disclaimer with
a macro. That would be be a really cool extension.

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 Resolution|WONTFIX |---

--- Comment #9 from Edmund Laugasson  ---
Would it be possible to add such configuration field into LibreOffice settings
so who wants, could customize such setting? This could be turned off by default
and there could be an example text which could be in translation so this
example text would be available in those languages like LibreOffice. But if the
example text is too much for now then just enabling such setting with empty box
would be also very good.

To be honest then this is definitely not a spam as the idea came from
organizations and companies who are sending a lot of PDF's and putting similar
message to the end of e-mails, where they suggest download mostly Adobe Reader
even this is not the only one PDF-viewer. So if already companies are sending
and this is not considered as spam then suggesting LibreOffice as ODF program
is defnitely not a spam. Why Adobe is better and may be advertised and TDF with
its LibreOffice may not?

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--- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze  ---
We talked about this idea in the design meeting. Following the comments we
recommend to refrain from this additional text as it is considered as spam.

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--- Comment #5 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
Like Adolfo, I also feel this is would be perceived as little more than
advertising. If implemented--its default state should be OFF.

As to ODF online--given the less than stellar online user experience of MS
Office 365 (despite their massive backend infrastructure)--we are a long way
from encouraging folks to use a cloud based flavor of LibreOffice for their
document editing. Anything this premature would be rather negative experience
and not something we want to promote on a regular basis.

By the way--LibreOffice is not an editor for PDF. We filter import the content
of PDFs (by default into Draw) amd work with it natively, and then save to ODF
by default. We can then export filter back to a new PDF document--but the
original PDF is untouched unless overwritten.  So, not a PDF editor.

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--- Comment #6 from Edmund Laugasson edmund.laugas...@gmail.com ---
I would not say advertising but just informing. If you send a file then it
would be nice to say also what program to use and where to get. Being humble
would be good but until certain moment. At some point there would be needed to
say about your existance and let people know that there is also one more and
completely free office suite which also exist and can do the tasks people
expect the office suite will do. So, being shy would not be always beneficial
and gives to people also signal that it might be not worth of use etc.

Let this cloud based LibreOffice be - currently it is not yet available either.

The main question is that raise awareness of ODF fileformat and nothing more.
Also give the right tool to open/edit ODF. MS Office would be not the tool you
probably would suggest - so why not suggest the right program for that?

Even as the UK government has succeeded to enforce Microsoft to support ODF
(http://www.itproportal.com/2015/03/30/microsoft-will-adopt-open-document-standards-following-government-battle/)
- this will happen in MSO 2013 and MSO 365 but not earlier. Therefore it would
be useful to give people working software, which will open ODF properly. We
also do not know whether the ODF support will be deployed into MSO and when
people will update their MSO programs.

Yes I know that LibreOffice will not edit the opened PDF directly but save .odg
in Draw and then it would be possible to export into PDF. I just made shortcut
in description and usually will overwrite old PDF with new one. But still there
is possible to open PDF's using LibreOffice and import them even into editable
shape.

And by the way - I proposed to put it not default turned on and then everyone
can decide whether to turn it on or not. But at least the feature would be then
exist and possible to turn on if needed.

You may even also leave it empty and not write anything. Each native language
would have anyway its own message if at all. So - there would be much easier
just leave it empty and everyone can turn the feature on and add whatever
she/he would like to.

You may call it also signature like most e-mail programs offer. Then just
everyone can write whatever they want to see in the end of each e-mail. Would
it be possible? Just create the functionality to add signature to the e-mail
which will be sent from LibreOffice. Also this would be turned off by default
but if anyone would like to add anything as signature then it would be
possible. That's it.

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--- Comment #4 from Edmund Laugasson edmund.laugas...@gmail.com ---
As there is a need to spread the ODF usage then it would be definitely one of
the best and easiest way to do it.

By the way - as written before - companies are already doing it by advertising
Adobe Reader in a very massive way.

Why then not advertise ODF in similar massive way? As I wrote - this should be
configurable and any time is possible to turn off.

I would also propose to even have silent installation switch to turn this
feature on or off.

Also when the LibreOffice Online comes then there would be good to announce
that you could view the sent ODF file also online.

Also the good point would be that even LibreOffice can show the PDF-files and
not only show but also edit! Wouldn't it be good argument to advertise?
So the all in one solution for offices - view ODF and even view+edit PDF using
LibreOffice!

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--- Comment #3 from Edmund Laugasson edmund.laugas...@gmail.com ---
As I said - this feature should be optional and you can set by default turned
off. But the feature itself would be nice if could be implemented. Then it will
not disturb anyone and still exist as feature and could be used if decided so.
Certainly I can set up custom signature in e-mail client but why then exist
such feature in LibreOffice - send document as e-mail? I can use any e-mail
client and send files anyway. Already this would be competiting feature if
people will send ODF-files. But I understand that this would be comfortable to
send directly from office suite the file itself.

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--- Comment #2 from Adolfo Jayme (UX) f...@libreoffice.org ---
Thanks for sharing your idea.

This is a little worrying. I can imagine other projects’ leaders roaring
because of alleged “unfair competition” (as if we were competing). Also, I
personally hate it when software adds advertisement to e-mails, such as the
hideous “Sent from my iPad”. Let’s face it, it’s advertising.

I would leave the users’ e-mail content alone, and leave the recommendation of
ODF-compatible software at their discretion.

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Robinson Tryon (qubit) qu...@runcibility.com changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Robinson Tryon (qubit) qu...@runcibility.com ---
(In reply to Edmund Laugasson from comment #0)
 When choosing File-Send-Document as e-mail... there would be automatically
 added message to the end of e-mail:

Sounds like one for UX to advise on.

Status - NEW

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