[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 97622] Extra space between a RTL letter and then a digit

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--- Comment #18 from Khaled Hosny  ---
Currently the code inserts the extra space between any text of different
scripts (of LO’s 3 scripts, Western, CTL and Asian), and I think it does not
make much sense and should be applied only if one side of the script change is
Asian.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 97622] Extra space between a RTL letter and then a digit

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--- Comment #17 from eladh...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #15)
> The “Apply spacing between Asian, Latin and complex text” is probably
> misnamed and misapplied, it should be “Add spacing between Asian and
> non-Asian text” because that is what CJK typesetting wants. It shouldn’t add
> any spacing if there is no CJK text on either side.

I don't know about other RTL languages, but in Hebrew this option serves no
purpose and I don't see a reason for it to exist. It surely has no reason to be
a default behavior.

This means (if this is the case with other RTL languages) that this option
should not apply to RTL languages at all.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 97622] Extra space between a RTL letter and then a digit

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--- Comment #16 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #15)
> The “Apply spacing between Asian, Latin and complex text” is probably
> misnamed and misapplied, it should be “Add spacing between Asian and
> non-Asian text” because that is what CJK typesetting wants. It shouldn’t add
> any spacing if there is no CJK text on either side.

This sounds quite reasonable to me (as a person who uses Hebrew and a bit of
Arabic, on their own and with Latin text). If that is the case, it would indeed
explain why we don't even see this option when not enabling Asian text support
inn the preferences.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 97622] Extra space between a RTL letter and then a digit

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--- Comment #15 from Khaled Hosny  ---
The “Apply spacing between Asian, Latin and complex text” is probably misnamed
and misapplied, it should be “Add spacing between Asian and non-Asian text”
because that is what CJK typesetting wants. It shouldn’t add any spacing if
there is no CJK text on either side.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 97622] Extra space between a RTL letter and then a digit

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 97622] Extra space between a RTL letter and then a digit

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--- Comment #14 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to eladhen2 from comment #11)
> This actually works. Interesting. But this means the default behavior is
> wrong, as far as Hebrew is concerned. And this is something that you need to
> change manually in all styles... Really unapproachable...

Actually, it's worse than that. It means that the dichotomy expressed in this
boolean setting, i.e. you might want to add space between Asian and Latin, or
Asian and RTL, but not between RTL and numbers. I believe there needs to be a
better mapping of this option space by people who have experience both with an
RTL language and an Asian language. Also, it's not clear that digits should be
considered together with Latin characters .

For now, I suggest the "Spacing between RTL and Latin-or-Number characters" be
_split_off_ into its own setting, with the other setting being "Spacing between
Asian and everything else".

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--- Comment #13 from eladh...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to eladhen2 from comment #12)

> 
> Okay, I dug some more into this.
> 
> To get the Asian Typography tab you need to go to Tools > Options >
> Languages > and click the Asian checkbox.
> 
> This is an unreasonable requirement to get to a CTL setting.
> 
> I understand this Bug should change to a wrong default behavior and wrong
> placement of a setting (CTL setting that requires enabling Asian languages).

Another problem is while working with MS Word files. This setting isn't saved
in Docx files, and so you need to reapply it manually every time you open a
Docx file.

To reproduce: 
1. Edit a style and uncheck "Apply spacing between Asian, Latin and complex
text" in the Asian Typography tab.
2. Save the file as Docx.
3. Close and reopen the file. Checking the edited style you'll see "Apply
spacing between Asian, Latin and complex text" is checked again...

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--- Comment #12 from eladh...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to eladhen2 from comment #11)
> (In reply to Mark Hung from comment #9)
> > What about turning off "Apply spacing between Asian, Latin and complex text"
> > in Asian Typography tab of Paragraph style? The space shrinks ( although it
> > is still wider comparing to normal English. ).
> 
> This actually works. Interesting. But this means the default behavior is
> wrong, as far as Hebrew is concerned. And this is something that you need to
> change manually in all styles... Really unapproachable...

Okay, I dug some more into this.

To get the Asian Typography tab you need to go to Tools > Options > Languages >
and click the Asian checkbox.

This is an unreasonable requirement to get to a CTL setting.

I understand this Bug should change to a wrong default behavior and wrong
placement of a setting (CTL setting that requires enabling Asian languages).

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--- Comment #11 from eladh...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Mark Hung from comment #9)
> What about turning off "Apply spacing between Asian, Latin and complex text"
> in Asian Typography tab of Paragraph style? The space shrinks ( although it
> is still wider comparing to normal English. ).

This actually works. Interesting. But this means the default behavior is wrong,
as far as Hebrew is concerned. And this is something that you need to change
manually in all styles... Really unapproachable...

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 97622] Extra space between a RTL letter and then a digit

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--- Comment #10 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Mark Hung from comment #9)
> What about turning off "Apply spacing between Asian, Latin and complex text"
> in Asian Typography tab of Paragraph style? The space shrinks ( although it
> is still wider comparing to normal English. ).

I don't have such a tab nor such a setting in my Paragraph Style dialog; LO
6.0.0.1 on GNU/Linux Mint 18.3.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 97622] Extra space between a RTL letter and then a digit

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--- Comment #9 from Mark Hung  ---
What about turning off "Apply spacing between Asian, Latin and complex text" in
Asian Typography tab of Paragraph style? The space shrinks ( although it is
still wider comparing to normal English. ).

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 97622] Extra space between a RTL letter and then a digit

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--- Comment #8 from eladh...@gmail.com ---
This bug is still present. Typing any Hebrew character followed by a number and
you get a big space between the characters.

Version  6.0.1.1 on Linux Mint 18.3. Kernel 4.4, Locale: he-IL (he_IL.UTF-8)

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--- Comment #7 from Omer Zak  ---
Still happens in:

Version: 6.0.0.0.alpha1+
Build ID: 5d12237d79f289a1dcf8e07aa03df329e136f078
CPU threads: 8; OS: Linux 4.9; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3; 
Locale: en-US (en_US.utf8); Calc: group

OS: Debian 64bit Stretch (Debian 9.2, with some backported packages)


There is indeed excessive space between א and 2, even though no space character
was inserted between them. This behavior was already mentioned in Comment 2.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 97622] Extra space between a RTL letter and then a digit

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--- Comment #6 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #4)
> Is this really inherited from OOo?

Yes i tested 3.3.0 and i just checked AOO and its in there as well.

AOO412m3(Build:9782)  -  Rev. 1709696
2015-10-21 09:51 - Linux x86_64

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--- Comment #5 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #4)
> Is this really inherited from OOo?

I don't mind checking if you tell me how to get OOo running on a Kubuntu 16.04
system.

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--- Comment #4 from Khaled Hosny  ---
Looks like a bug indeed, and it happens in Writer only so likely a bug in
Writer-specific code (that is to say I don’t have the slightest idea what is
going on). Is this really inherited from OOo?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 97622] Extra space between a RTL letter and then a digit

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Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 CC||khaledho...@eglug.org,
   ||philip...@hotmail.com
Version|5.0.5.1 rc  |Inherited From OOo
 Blocks||43808
Summary|Excessive space between |Extra space between a RTL
   |adjacent|letter and then a digit
   |Hebrew-letter-Hebrew-digit  |
   |sequence|
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #3 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Hi Eyal,

Thank you for reporting the bug. I can confirm that it happens on 5.2.1.2 on
Windows and master on Linux. The same happens with an arabic character and then
a number.

Version: 5.3.0.0.alpha0+
Build ID: 45a7137c6796f33fbf5b8f7cb64e293260d991cb
CPU Threads: 2; OS Version: Linux 3.19; UI Render: default; 
TinderBox: Linux-rpm_deb-x86_64@70-TDF, Branch:master, Time:
2016-10-13_23:38:06
Locale: en-US (en_US.UTF-8); Calc: group

@Khaled: Any thoughts?


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43808
[Bug 43808] [META] Right to left language issues (RTL/CTL)
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