[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 98446] Hide Whitespace option grayed-out intermittently

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--- Comment #23 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Dieter Praas from comment #22)
> So do you think, we should change the bug to enhancement? I would support 
> this proposal.

Without actually looking to the code, I'd guess it shouldn't be too difficult.

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--- Comment #22 from Dieter Praas  ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #21)
> That was the whole point of that reasonable question that was worded so
> offending: why disable the option, when we could instead allow it and switch
> to single mode upon its selection.

Thanks for clarification. So do you think, we should change the bug to
enhancement? I would support this proposal.

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--- Comment #21 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Dieter Praas from comment #20)
> Michal, your question is not clear for me: You only have access to "Hide
> Whitespace" if you choose single mode.

That was the whole point of that reasonable question that was worded so
offending: why disable the option, when we could instead allow it and switch to
single mode upon its selection.

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--- Comment #20 from Dieter Praas  ---
(In reply to Michal Suchánek from comment #19)
> Why can't "Hide Whitespace" switch to single page view as well?

Michal, your question is not clear for me: You only have access to "Hide
Whitespace" if you choose single mode.

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--- Comment #19 from Michal Suchánek  ---
Why can't "Hide Whitespace" switch to single page view as well?

Or is the LO UX design goal to be as asinine as possible?

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--- Comment #18 from Mike Kaganski  ---
Yes; help topic (https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/View) could be improved
with that regard; and patches are welcome :)

To clarify a bit: when you write "When I open, the documents, both documents
are shown in the single-page view", you are technically incorrect. What you see
in second document is multi-page view (i.e. automatic) that happens on your
monitor resolution and your zoom level to only fit one page per row. That might
confuse you. Multi-page view means "as many pages per row as fits, including
one". Single-page view means "Always one page per row, regardless of how much
free space is available to the right".

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--- Comment #17 from Dieter Praas  ---
When I open, the documents, both documents are shown in the single-page view
(for me it is clear, that hide whitespace option makes now sense with a
multi-page view).

But now I know what has happened:
The setting of view layout in the document from comment 10 (viewlayoutcolumn=1)
was single page.
The setting of view layout in the document from comment 11 (viewlayoutcolumn=0)
was automatic.
So if the setting is automatic the hide whidespace option is grayed out, even
if you have a single-page view.

So in summary I now would agree, that it is no bug. But I think some
informations about it within the help is needed.

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 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG

--- Comment #16 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Dieter Praas from comment #15)
> I disagree with Mike, because I only used the the single-page view and
> detectd the different behavours in the two documents (comment 10).

Tested both documents from comment 10 and comment 11. The latter (Hide
whitespace grayed out.odt) opens in Multi-page view (seen both in status bar,
and in Zoom dialog), and the former (Hide whitespace possible.odt) opens in
Single-page view, as expected.

> So my
> question to Mike is: What about the results, that are described in comment
> 12? So my suggestion is: Please compare a document with ViewLayoutColumns=1
> with a document ViewLayoutColumns=0. I'm sure you will see the difference
> and assess this as a bug. => chanceged back to NEW

The setting is kept in ODT, as described in comment 14; the comment 12 shows
which option specifically keeps the view mode setting. When ViewLayoutColumns
is 0, it means that LibreOffice automatically chooses number of pages to show
side-by-side (i.e., Automatic view layout = Multi-page view).

Setting it to RESOLVED NOTABUG again. Please don't change the bug's state
unless you have evidence that my explanation is incorrect.

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--- Comment #15 from Dieter Praas  ---
I disagree with Mike, because I only used the the single-page view and detectd
the different behavours in the two documents (comment 10). So my question to
Mike is: What about the results, that are described in comment 12? So my
suggestion is: Please compare a document with ViewLayoutColumns=1 with a
document ViewLayoutColumns=0. I'm sure you will see the difference and assess
this as a bug. => chanceged back to NEW

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--- Comment #14 from Mike Kaganski  ---
This is not a bug.

The "Hide Whitespace" option is only available for Single-page view mode
(available in right part of status bar as single sheet icon, or using menu
View-.Zoom->Zoom...->View Layout section). In this mode, both inter-page
spaces, as well as blank parts of pages, are "skipped", thus each page height
is distorted to take as little space as possible.

But for two other modes (Multi-page view, and Book view), this option is
unavailable, and that's for a reason: in these modes, the option has (almost)
no sense. The modes make pages to be shown in rows of several pages, and making
each page to have different height doesn't allow to create a good-looking
multi-page layout. Even though it would be possible to remove inter-page space,
this would make it less obvious and readable (because then, any column would
appear as one long page, while it's expected that user reads left page first,
then right, then moves down).

The setting is kept in file, so it's natural that some files open in one mode,
and some in another. Also, if a file format doesn't allow for storing the view
mode information in it, then saving in this format will "workaround" the
situation - but the proper way is to simply enable desired view mode by
clicking the relevant icon in status bar.

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--- Comment #13 from LibreTraining  ---

Testing was done on:

Version: 5.3.1.2 (x64)
Build ID: e80a0e0fd1875e1696614d24c32df0f95f03deb2
CPU Threads: 4; OS Version: Windows 6.1; UI Render: default; Layout Engine:
new; 
Locale: en-US (en_US); Calc: group

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--- Comment #12 from LibreTraining  ---

I have determined one setting in the settings.xml file which appears to cause
the issue.

Using your demo files:
 - Hide whitespace grayed out.odt
 - Hide whitespace possible.odt

I set the LO advanced setting to PrettyPrint the XML files.
Then I extracted the contents of the ODT files so I could compare them.

Then I tried to make the files as similar as possible.
- deleted all custom styles
- deleted all direct formatting
- applied default style to all
- reset document properties

Then I extracted the files.
Ran the compare - found 4 XML files with differences
Replaced the XML files one-by-one to see which one fixed the issue.

When the settings.xml was copied - the issue went away.
So I then replaced each difference line-by-line.
One setting, ViewLayoutColumns, brought back the Hide Whitespace function.


>From ODT file: hide whitespace grayed out.odt

File: settings.xml

http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink;
xmlns:config="urn:oasis:names:tc:opendocument:xmlns:config:1.0"
xmlns:ooo="http://openoffice.org/2004/office; office:version="1.2">
 
  
   ...
   

 ...
 0


>From ODT file: hide possible.odt

 1


So when I changed ViewLayoutColumns from 0 to 1 - the issue went away!

To confirm I went back to the original hide_whitespace_grayed_out.odt file and
changed just that line.
It worked.

To confirm I went back to the GS50-GettingStartedLO.odt I first mentioned
above.
In the settings.xml file I changed ViewLayoutColumns to 1.
It worked.

So ... could some knowledgable developer please figure-out what is
happening.
 - Why is ViewLayoutColumns getting set to 0?
 - Why does that disable Hide Whitespace?

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--- Comment #11 from dieterp  ---
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Hide whitespace grayed out

Im using

Version: 5.3.2.0.0+ (x64)
Build-ID: c8f0a37ff804e6329b21a4b7bfabb0667263c6e5
CPU-Threads: 4; BS-Version: Windows 6.19; UI-Render: GL; Layout-Engine: neu; 
Gebietsschema: de-DE (de_DE); Calc: grou

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--- Comment #10 from dieterp  ---
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possible to hide whitespace

Accidentaly I recognized, that there are some documents with "hide whitespace"
grayed out and some where I can enable this option (see attachments). I really
don't know the difference between those documents, but maybe there are some
experts who can find it out.

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--- Comment #9 from Geoff  ---
The "fix" -- at least in Version: 5.1.3.2 -- appears to be to remove it
completely! I don't even get a greyed-out menu item in Linux

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--- Comment #8 from BlenderGeek  ---
Tested with Libreoffice 5.1.2.2 on Ubuntu Gnome 16.04. Bug definitely exists
and the proposed workaround failed. 
I have no trouble with the daily builds though.

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--- Comment #7 from Brad  ---
(In reply to Buovjaga from comment #6)
> That is enough confirmations. Severity: minor as workaround exists.

This workaround does not work for me (5.1.1.3, Debian Testing), either
reloading doc or docx versions of files.  I am yet to open a file where the
hide whitespace option is not grayed out - have tried half a dozen so far
including new documents.

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--- Comment #6 from Buovjaga  ---
That is enough confirmations. Severity: minor as workaround exists.

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--- Comment #5 from Alex  ---
I am also seeing this problem. Just updated to stable release 5.1.1, running
OSX 10.11.3.

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--- Comment #4 from LibreTraining  ---
Thank you for the workaround.
That will be a useful way to deal with this bug, for now.
But that really does not "solve" the problem.

With your confirmation there is now 4 of us who can confirm this issue.
On different operating systems.
It is not just my unique issue.
So I am hoping the issue is actually investigated and fixed.

I tried to change the status to CONFIRMED, but that is apparently not available
to me.

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--- Comment #3 from MM  ---
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> "Note to Bug Reporter:
> This bug is (most likely) in NEEDINFO status because someone has asked for
> information or data."
> 
> What info is needed?

Will this solution work for you ?

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--- Comment #2 from LibreTraining  ---
"Note to Bug Reporter:
This bug is (most likely) in NEEDINFO status because someone has asked for
information or data."

What info is needed?

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--- Comment #1 from MM  ---
Tested with v5.1.1.3 under ubuntu 14.04 x64.

If you save it to docx or doc and reload, you can select 'hide whitespace'
again.
Also when you *then* re-save it to odt and reload, you can select this option
again.

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