Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox green but no daily/master build

2013-11-14 Thread Thomas Hackert
Hello again,
On Donnerstag, 14. November 2013 08:34 Robinson Tryon wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:05 AM, Roopesh Kohad
 roopesh.ko...@synerzip.com wrote:
 I am on the lookout for latest daily/master Windows x86 builds on
 tinderbox Win-x86_42 at
 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86@42/.

 The latest one is from 7th Nov in current directory. I see there
 are several directories even up to today morning but they are all
 empty perhaps due to build failure but tinderbox (Win-x86_42)
 status seem to be all green at
 http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/MASTER/status.html.
 
 Indeed -- it looks like something happened on the 7th such that
 builds were no longer produced (or no longer uploaded).

and it is not only the Win build, but also Debian (AMD64) ... :( The 
last ones only contain a file named 
master_$date_$time_build_info.txt (see 
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Linux-rpm_deb-x86_64@46-TDF/2013-11-13_23.53.06/master~2013-11-13_23.53.06_build_info.txt
 
for example). As far as I can see, there was no error from configure 
there and on the TB status page the build for AMD64 is green ... ;)

 Unless you need builds from gerrit, would builds from tb-47 work
 for you?
 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86@47-TDF/

And for Debian Testing AMD64?

 How do I fathom that there is a build issue or something else due
 to which latest build is not available?
 
 I'm not exactly sure what's happening with the tinderbox, but I've
 cc'd Thorsten as he's listed as the contact for this particular
 Tinderbox. Thorsten -- any ideas what's going on here?

I hope, this will get fixed soon ... ;)
Thomas.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Existing German translation in Moztrap

2013-11-14 Thread Thomas Hackert
Hello Robinson, *,
On Donnerstag, 14. November 2013 08:59 Robinson Tryon wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Thomas Hackert
 thack...@nexgo.de wrote:

 At least the first part (localizing the interface) seems like it
 just
 needs someone to go poke at the code for a while  (no, I'm not
 raising my hand right now... :-)

 I cannot help here as well, sorry ... :( If I read the above side
 right, it is just some kind of Python hook. But how do I see, if
 localization is enabled in our Django installation?
 
 I don't see a TDF fork of moztrap up on Github:
 https://github.com/search?q=%40tdf++moztrap

there is no Django fork there as well 
(https://github.com/search?q=%40tdf++django) ... :(

 Maybe the repo lives elsewhere?

Maybe. But I am not one of our admins, so ... ;)

 And I found on
 
https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.6/internals/contributing/localizing/,
 that the project uses transiflex (https://www.transifex.com/)
 itself to translate their software. Does it mean, we have to
 switch to transiflex as well?
 
 I think that's just what django uses for their own work. I think
 that lots of tools support the .po file format, so we can stick
 with whatever system we currently have in place (pootle, IIRC).

That would be nice :)
Thomas.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox green but no daily/master build

2013-11-14 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Thomas Hackert thack...@nexgo.de wrote:

 Indeed -- it looks like something happened on the 7th such that
 builds were no longer produced (or no longer uploaded).

 and it is not only the Win build, but also Debian (AMD64) ... :( The

Hmm. It sounds like maybe we could benefit from some kind of improved
dashboard for the Tinderboxen. The tinderbox status page has a lot of
information on it, but doesn't capture some of the information, such
as whether a build has been successfully uploaded:
http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/MASTER/status.html

A Tinderbox dashboard with the following would be nice:
* Table organized by tinderbox
* OS icons (green robot for Android, Tux for GNU/Linux (with
distro-specific images if available), 4-color Windows logo, etc...)
* TDF icon if this is an official project tinderbox
* Link to the latest build produced by each tinderbox (with date,
branch name, etc..)
* Green light if the tinderbox is up and running and successfully
producing builds
* Yellow light if builds aren't uploading (with a ? icon)
* Red light if builds are failing
* Some kind of asleep picture if the tinderbox hasn't been heard
from in more than a day

--R,
who probably doesn't have time for this one, either...
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox green but no daily/master build

2013-11-14 Thread Roopesh Kohad
As long as tb-47 is sourced from latest master branch in git, it should
work for me.
However, there as well I don't see any builds. There is just build info
file in those directories.

regards,
Roopesh


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:05 AM, Roopesh Kohad
 roopesh.ko...@synerzip.com wrote:
  Hello,
 
  I am on the lookout for latest daily/master Windows x86 builds on
 tinderbox
  Win-x86_42 at http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86@42/
 .
 
  The latest one is from 7th Nov in current directory. I see there are
 several
  directories even up to today morning but they are all empty perhaps due
 to
  build failure but tinderbox (Win-x86_42) status seem to be all green at
  http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/MASTER/status.html.

 Indeed -- it looks like something happened on the 7th such that builds
 were no longer produced (or no longer uploaded).

 Unless you need builds from gerrit, would builds from tb-47 work for you?
 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86@47-TDF/

  How do I fathom that there is a build issue or something else due to
 which
  latest build is not available?

 I'm not exactly sure what's happening with the tinderbox, but I've
 cc'd Thorsten as he's listed as the contact for this particular
 Tinderbox. Thorsten -- any ideas what's going on here?

 Cheers,
 --R


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox green but no daily/master build

2013-11-14 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:59 AM, Roopesh Kohad
roopesh.ko...@synerzip.com wrote:
 As long as tb-47 is sourced from latest master branch in git, it should work
 for me.
 However, there as well I don't see any builds. There is just build info file
 in those directories.

Yep, I looked closer after klaus-jürgen pointed out that tb-47 was
also affected. I'll try to get these up and running today; barring
that, I'll at least get you a status update.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox green but no daily/master build

2013-11-14 Thread Thomas Hackert
Hello Robinson, *,
On Donnerstag, 14. November 2013 09:20 Robinson Tryon wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Thomas Hackert
 thack...@nexgo.de wrote:

 Indeed -- it looks like something happened on the 7th such that
 builds were no longer produced (or no longer uploaded).

 and it is not only the Win build, but also Debian (AMD64) ... :(
 The
 
 Hmm. It sounds like maybe we could benefit from some kind of
 improved dashboard for the Tinderboxen. The tinderbox status page

that would be nice :)

 has a lot of information on it, but doesn't capture some of the
 information, such as whether a build has been successfully
 uploaded: http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/MASTER/status.html
 
 A Tinderbox dashboard with the following would be nice:
 * Table organized by tinderbox
 * OS icons (green robot for Android, Tux for GNU/Linux (with
 distro-specific images if available), 4-color Windows logo,
 etc...) * TDF icon if this is an official project tinderbox

But maybe the dashboard will look really cluttered then ... :(

 * Link to the latest build produced by each tinderbox (with date,
 branch name, etc..)

That would be cool :)

 * Green light if the tinderbox is up and running and successfully
 producing builds
 * Yellow light if builds aren't uploading (with a ? icon)

And the quotation mark as a link to an explanation (something like 
TB not online, Problem uploading build $X or the like)? Or the 
build log?

 * Red light if builds are failing
 * Some kind of asleep picture if the tinderbox hasn't been heard
 from in more than a day

And maybe an automatic mail to the TB maintainer á la Your TB was 
not seen the last $hours/$days ... ;)

 who probably doesn't have time for this one, either...

As I have no programming skills nor any idea, how this can get 
implemented, I cannot help here as well ... :( But maybe help 
testing later ... ;)
Greetings Thomas.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Existing German translation in Moztrap

2013-11-14 Thread Sophie
Hi Thomas, all,
Le 14/11/2013 07:55, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
 Good morning Sophie, *,
 On Mittwoch, 13. November 2013 20:50 Sophie wrote:
 Le 13/11/2013 20:11, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
 snip
 What I would like (but it's still a dream) is that we have
 something like what LimeSurvey provides for translations, but
 inside Moztrap.

 You are not the only one ... ;) Petr mentioned in the old Moztrap
 thread, that they were looking for a volunteer to implement it,
 but I am not sure, if something happened there

 (http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.qa/3986)
 ... :( If you want to read the whole thread, you can read it
 here:

 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.qa/3775.
 It starts a little bit below and is rather longish, so be
 prepared ... ;)

 I think that my complains was part of Petr says ;) I even
 requested a budget for that and have it under l10n item together
 with Jesus.
 
 Great :) Does this mean, you are actively searching for one, who 
 will do it?

I don't search any more for now, I've tried last year with no success, I
don't know who will do it.
 
 I don't know if it's possible. Moztrap uses
 python/django and I don't know what is available for
 localization

 Hm. I am not sure, if it is possible for MozTrap itself. A short
 search for localization on
 http://moztrap.readthedocs.org/en/1.0.X/userguide/index.html was
 not that, what I have hoped for ... :( Also
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MozTrap/Admin_Guide does not
 mention it ... :(

 I've discussed about it with Moztrap developers. They say it's
 possible but are not interested to participate or work on it. They
 
 Why not? Would it be too difficult to implement it?

Because it's out of their scope and they don't have time or money to
spend on it.
 
 are still available for pointers, but not more.
 
 At least something ... ;)

yes, they are friendly, no problem :) they have always been responsive
when we asked for help for the current Moztrap we run.
 
 here. For the moment, we will run the tests only in English,
 that will deprive us from a part of the testers but that is at
 least better than nothing.

 But that would be a hurdle for people, who are not able to read
 English ... :(

 Yes, I'm aware of that, and I'm really sad about it because I know
 several members who are waiting for it to participate to QA, but
 there is nothing I can do here if we don't find a django dev
 interesting to work on l10n for Moztrap.
 
 O.K.
 
 So for now, as I said, instead of having nothing because I believe
 it's important for QA and LibO, I prefer we use it in English only
 and maybe that will bring more interest to the tool itself too.
 
 I hope so :)

me too really :)
Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox green but no daily/master build

2013-11-14 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Robinson Tryon wrote:
 Indeed -- it looks like something happened on the 7th such that builds
 were no longer produced (or no longer uploaded).
 
Let me check.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox green but no daily/master build

2013-11-14 Thread V Stuart Foote
Robinson Tryon wrote:
 Indeed -- it looks like something happened on the 7th such that builds
 were no longer produced (or no longer uploaded).
 

So the Windows TB47 at least spit out a usable build this morning:

Build Info
tinderbox: administrator: lohmaier+tinder...@gmail.com
tinderbox: buildname: Win-x86@47-TDF
tinderbox: tree: MASTER
tinderbox: pull time 2013-11-14 07:51:04
tinderbox: git sha1s
core:d366c9b20ec86f3fe521812a0c22def3bfd1f05e

Did someone give it a knock?




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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Existing German translation in Moztrap

2013-11-14 Thread Thomas Hackert
Hello Sophie, *,
On Donnerstag, 14. November 2013 10:35 Sophie wrote:
 Le 14/11/2013 07:55, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
 On Mittwoch, 13. November 2013 20:50 Sophie wrote:
 Le 13/11/2013 20:11, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
[easy way to translate MozTrap]
 
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.qa/3775.
 It starts a little bit below and is rather longish, so be
 prepared ... ;)

 I think that my complains was part of Petr says ;) I even
 requested a budget for that and have it under l10n item together
 with Jesus.
 
 Great :) Does this mean, you are actively searching for one, who
 will do it?
 
 I don't search any more for now, I've tried last year with no
 success, I don't know who will do it.

Sorry to hear ... :(

 I don't know if it's possible. Moztrap uses
 python/django and I don't know what is available for
 localization

 Hm. I am not sure, if it is possible for MozTrap itself. A
 short search for localization on
 http://moztrap.readthedocs.org/en/1.0.X/userguide/index.html
 was not that, what I have hoped for ... :( Also
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MozTrap/Admin_Guide does
 not mention it ... :(

 I've discussed about it with Moztrap developers. They say it's
 possible but are not interested to participate or work on it.
 They
 
 Why not? Would it be too difficult to implement it?
 
 Because it's out of their scope and they don't have time or money
 to spend on it.

Have you asked them, if they would implement it, when TDF would pay 
them?

 are still available for pointers, but not more.
 
 At least something ... ;)
 
 yes, they are friendly, no problem :) they have always been
 responsive when we asked for help for the current Moztrap we run.

O.K.

snip
 So for now, as I said, instead of having nothing because I
 believe it's important for QA and LibO, I prefer we use it in
 English only and maybe that will bring more interest to the tool
 itself too.
 
 I hope so :)
 
 me too really :)

:)
Greetings
Thomas.

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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2013-11-14 Thread Michael Meeks
* Present:
+ Markus, Caolan, Norbert, Lionel, Thorsten, Michael M, Eike, David,
  Michael S, Bjoern, Robinson, Andras, Miklos, Kendy, Stephan, Kohei
  Tor, cloph, Ahmad
* Completed Action Items:
+ poke at cross-compile pieces without INPATH (Tor)
[ inpath removal merged ]
+ make firebird conditional on 'experimental' setting (Lionel)
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/70703
+ Java-free (Firebird?) reproduction case (Lionel)
+ valgrind trace (Lionel)
+ get setup wrt. mobile app-store access (Cloph / Thorsten)
[ Apple / iOS is handed over, think Cloph has credentials for
  Android - if not poke Florian ]
+ provide certification details to accelerate progress (Bjoern/Stephan)
  
* Pending Action Items:
+ New templates (Ahmad)
[ code is ready, will be merged by Monday ]
+ produce a VM with callgrind metrics (Matus)
[ VM is setup  running, needs to get access - Matus,
  on same machine as the crash-test farm ]
+ partition document test loads / run them on tinderboxen (Norbert)
[ ongoing work on the python bits ]
+ poke at Android / iOS remote-control translation issues (Andras)
[ found the issue, know how to fix it - fix pending ]
+ blog about the death of the solver (Michael S)
[ still no blog for mst ]
+ mail Charles wrt. website / code-finding concerns: want a cgit link 
nearby (Tibby)
+ need design for copying styles between templates (Cor Nouws/other UX?)
cf. 
http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01658.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01663.html
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 4.1.4 RC1 - November 25th
+ 4.2 Alpha 1 status
+ already released, on dev-builds website  announced to the testing ML 
etc.
+ Beta 1 - a bigger announcement.
+ 4.2 Feature freeze is Nov 18th.
+ next week / Monday
+ at-risk items for 4.2
+ IAccessible2 - David trying to get something in for the 4.2 branch
+ track-changes toolbar: 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47677
   [ merged, needs some new artwork ]
+ new charting pieces (Markus)
   [ at risk for 4.2 freeze ]
+ expert config page - still ~infinitely slow needs fixing
   [ really need a callgrind profile of some sort ]
AI:+ create a 4.2 MAB and attach a callgrind profile.
   [ is this related to a11y being enabled ? (mst) ]
   [ if so need a MANAGES_DESENDANTS tweak for that (Michael) ]
+ sifr icons (Ahmad)
   + theme already in for 4.2 - more artwork coming after the freeze
+ 4.2 MAB count ...
+ gerrit backlog: 50+ patches
+ GSOC / Android  iOS remote control releases from master update
* New commit access proposals (Miklos)
+ Adam Fyne
+ Andres Gomez
+ Jacobo Aragunde Pérez
+ Miguel Gomez
AI: + write welcome mail (Miklos)
+ please review / push other's gerrit commits
+ seek input / review if in any doubt
AI: + send E-mail addresses to Norbert (Miklos)
AI: + poke Igalians about attending ESC (Michael)
* Gerrit backlog (Bjoern)
+ more people with git push access may help
+ Miklos working on reviewing writer patches
+ some of the patches already have comments asking for more work, but no 
'-1'
+ less than 50 patches
   + 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+project:core+branch:master+-label:CodeReview%253C%253D-1+-label:Verified%253C%253D-1,p,0028eb4419c3
+ if all ESC members review 2x patches all should be well.
* Performance
+ Journalist cannot actually reproduce slower start from article, no 
measured disparity
+ turn on mergedlibs  LTO for Windows - any objections ? (Michael)
AI: + turn on  see how it goes for 4.2 (Tor)
+ Thanks to Jesus for offering to review vs. 2010
+ mail merge:
+ AFAIK Pierre-Eric had a rough look at that already
* Crashtest update (Markus)
+ cf. http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/
+ need to do a new build / but build-issues in the VM
* INPATH removal (Michael S)
+ reminder to people to rm -Rf workdir/unxlngi6.pro ? ;-)
   + otherwise you'll chew a huge amount of disk-space.
AI: + tinderbox admins - should clean their disks too, and
  update to the very latest tinbuild2 script to get
  up-loads right.
   + windows + Mac already fixed by Cloph
   + inpath fixed for Mac by Norbert too.
* l10n package split building in 4.2 (Bjoern)
+ A heads up, I'd like to push in:
   https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/6660/
+ shouldn't break anything; sorts work into l10n vs. non-l10n
  build bits, to allow parallel building of l10n thus splitting
  the work / disk-space requirements (also: e.g. security fixes

 without rebuilding and redistributing all l10n)

* Certification progress 

[Libreoffice-qa] Questions about new icon themes Sifr and Tango Testing

2013-11-14 Thread Thomas Hackert
Hello @ll,
in LO Version: 4.2.0.0.alpha1 Build ID: 
c2b9ad37f8a8de9c7dbdd76c86aecf6388107056 under Debian Testing AMD64 
there are two new icon themes (Tools – Options – LibreOfficeDev – 
View, and there below Icon size and style): Sifr and Tango 
Testing. If I switch to Tango, press enter and Ctrl+O, the 
icons seem to be the same as when I switch them to Sifr or Tango 
Testing ... :( I may be wrong here, but at a short look on them, 
there really seem no difference between the icons for documents or 
folders. Is this intended? Or is it a bug?
TIA for an answer
Thomas.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox green but no daily/master build

2013-11-14 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 10:17 AM, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu wrote:
 So the Windows TB47 at least spit out a usable build this morning:

 Build Info
 tinderbox: administrator: lohmaier+tinder...@gmail.com
 tinderbox: buildname: Win-x86@47-TDF
 tinderbox: tree: MASTER
 tinderbox: pull time 2013-11-14 07:51:04
 tinderbox: git sha1s
 core:d366c9b20ec86f3fe521812a0c22def3bfd1f05e

 Did someone give it a knock?

Yes -- update during the ESC call today:

  + QA triagers report TDF Tinderboxen (Win, Mac, Linux) were not
uploading daily builds for a few days (45, 46, 47, 48)
(also non-TDF tb-39, 42)
   + fixed Tinderbox 39 (Kendy)
  + other tinderboxes seem to be fixed as of now.
  + also needs latest tinbuild for instdir fix (Cloph)

For everyone in QA, please feel free to poke tinderbox owners when a
tinderbox is not uploading builds (or exhibiting any kind of
unexpected strangeness). Please cc the QA list so that the rest of us
are notified of the issue.

Email addresses for tinderbox owners are in the table here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Tinderbox

Cheers,
--R
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Libreoffice-qa Digest, Vol 29, Issue 27

2013-11-14 Thread Roopesh Kohad
I am unblocked with latest build today morning on tb-47 here
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86@47-TDF/current/
Other boxes don't seem to have resolved. There is no latest build in tb-42
or tb-39.
The size of latest build on tb-47 as compared to earlier builds from tb-42
seem to significantly higher (130 MB vs 119MB) and it also asked for
restart on installation. Is installer for tb-47 different than others?
Just curious.
Please delete directory
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Windows-x86@47-TDF, its
empty and a distraction.

regards,
Roopesh


 Yes -- update during the ESC call today:

   + QA triagers report TDF Tinderboxen (Win, Mac, Linux) were not
 uploading daily builds for a few days (45, 46, 47, 48)
 (also non-TDF tb-39, 42)
+ fixed Tinderbox 39 (Kendy)



  + other tinderboxes seem to be fixed as of now.
   + also needs latest tinbuild for instdir fix (Cloph)

 For everyone in QA, please feel free to poke tinderbox owners when a
 tinderbox is not uploading builds (or exhibiting any kind of
 unexpected strangeness). Please cc the QA list so that the rest of us
 are notified of the issue.

 Email addresses for tinderbox owners are in the table here:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Tinderbox

 Cheers,
 --R


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