Re: [Libreoffice-qa] REPOENED Status
On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 19:43:06 +0200, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Hey Florian, Hi Joel, I do not remember any direct way from WFM to UNCONFIRMED. I have not done much lately, but REOPENED was the only meaningful way to get it out of resolved state... Anyway, thanks for highlighting :) Yeah - best to go from WORKSFORME to NEEDINFO and then to UNCONFIRMED. I know a bit of a pain, but no more of a pain than me having to dig through REOPENED bugs to figure out which ones are really REOPENED and which ones I have to move back to UNCONFIRMED :-D Best, Joel I made the same mistake of Florian, becuase the WFM - REOPENED looked the correct way which it wasn't. next time I'll do the WFM - NEEDINFO - UNCONFIRMED thing which is not intuitive but is right. thanks, Tommy ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] REPOENED Status
Hi Joel, Good post. I have installed your note in the German Wiki. Regards Jochen Am 01.08.2014 18:34, schrieb Joel Madero: Hi All, I'm noticing quite a few QA members using REOPENED incorrectly so this is just a reminder. REOPENED is for a bug that has been marked as FIXED by a developer and is currently assigned to that developer. It is *_not _*for a bug that has been marked as WORKSFORME (ie. never confirmed or a bug that we think was fixed but a developer never said this). For these bugs the bug should be put back to UNCONFIRMED with a comment. Please make sure to do this (currently we have a couple hundred reopened bugs that I have to manually check to see if they are correct). Also when closing a bug as WORKSFORME please tell the user to set the bug to UNCONFIRMED if they can still reproduce (and not just say reopen the bug if you can still confirm - as they then put the bug in REOPENED status which is again...not correct). I know it's a bit confusing but it is what it is. Best, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com mailto:jmadero@gmail.com ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Heading 3 and 4 in grey
Hi All, An individual has opened two bugs regarding 4.2's change of heading 3 and 4 to gray from black. Sophie closed the first one and the user is still adamant about this issue and has posed the following questions in the second bug. Who introduced the new default style? What reasons had they to change? Have users been asked whether they approve of it? Or is there a small group of people who like to change things on a whim? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82041 -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] REPOENED Status
Hi, The bigger problem is the following: User A submitted a bug #123. A QA closes this bug as RESOLVED WFM. User A disagrees and puts the state to 1) REOPENED 2) NEEDINFO Sorry to say, but this error will continue... Liebe Grüße, / Yours, Florian Reisinger Am 02.08.2014 um 08:44 schrieb Tommy ba...@quipo.it: On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 19:43:06 +0200, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Hey Florian, Hi Joel, I do not remember any direct way from WFM to UNCONFIRMED. I have not done much lately, but REOPENED was the only meaningful way to get it out of resolved state... Anyway, thanks for highlighting :) Yeah - best to go from WORKSFORME to NEEDINFO and then to UNCONFIRMED. I know a bit of a pain, but no more of a pain than me having to dig through REOPENED bugs to figure out which ones are really REOPENED and which ones I have to move back to UNCONFIRMED :-D Best, Joel I made the same mistake of Florian, becuase the WFM - REOPENED looked the correct way which it wasn't. next time I'll do the WFM - NEEDINFO - UNCONFIRMED thing which is not intuitive but is right. thanks, Tommy ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] REPOENED Status
Florian Reisinger wrote The bigger problem is the following: User A submitted a bug #123. A QA closes this bug as RESOLVED WFM. User A disagrees and puts the state to 1) REOPENED 2) NEEDINFO Sorry to say, but this error will continue... +1 Maybe QA people become aware of this unlogic rule but most users will obviously choose REOPENED (because in English that is what makes sense) Unless you (Joel) plan to block users (including the person who submitted the bug) from changing the status, this will happen again. IMO blocking users is a BAD option... Just my 2 cents. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-REPOENED-Status-tp4117474p4117517.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] REPOENED Status
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 10:34:01 +0200, Florian Reisinger flo...@libreoffice.org wrote: Hi, The bigger problem is the following: User A submitted a bug #123. A QA closes this bug as RESOLVED WFM. User A disagrees and puts the state to 1) REOPENED 2) NEEDINFO Sorry to say, but this error will continue... Liebe Grüße, / Yours, Florian Reisinger I wonder if once we will have our own bugzilla it will be possible to have a REVERT STATUS item which will automatically revert the status to the one that was previously selected. sometime a WFM is given to an UNCONFIRMED bug or to a NEW bug or even to a NEEDINFO bug. having a REVERT would reset the status quo avoding this kind of inconsistencies. I don't know if this is technically feasible. moreover we should tweak the bugzilla to avoid that WFM - REOPENED transition and limit that chance only to FIXED bugs. as said before, most of the users (including me) thought (and willi probably keep thinking) that the WFM - REOPEN was legitimate and logical since it was offered in the menu while WFM - UNCONFIRMED is not ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Another Round of Interoperability
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 04:11:06 +0200, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi All, Just wanted to give everyone a heads up that i'm doing another round of extensive interoperability now that 4.3 has been released and am sending in a few bugs in per day, rather than alot at a single time. nice job jay. you are the truly interoperability bughunter. ... I'm assuming these bugs shouldnt take more than a minute or two to confirm and presently there are 11 bugs. Here is a quick link to them for those with spare time to kill. :) http://bit.ly/jay4_3bugs we will take care of them. thanks 4 the link. -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] REPOENED Status
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 11:00:09 +0200, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: Florian Reisinger wrote The bigger problem is the following: User A submitted a bug #123. A QA closes this bug as RESOLVED WFM. User A disagrees and puts the state to 1) REOPENED 2) NEEDINFO Sorry to say, but this error will continue... +1 Maybe QA people become aware of this unlogic rule but most users will obviously choose REOPENED (because in English that is what makes sense) Unless you (Joel) plan to block users (including the person who submitted the bug) from changing the status, this will happen again. IMO blocking users is a BAD option... Just my 2 cents. pedro take a look at my other post. we probably need to change the WFM status change behaviour to something more logical and easier to handle. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Impress Remote does not work any longer with LO 4.3.0.0.4 nor with master
I checked with LibO-4.2.5-2, Build ID: 420m0(Build:2) on Debian 7.6(MX-14). Got nothing with Bluetooth, but wireless worked as expected, connected to Samsung 2 with Android 4.1.2 via Impress Remote 2.1.1. Learning about Bluetooth. Installing PulseAudio and its -module-bluetooth to see if that helps. On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:06 AM, Thomas Hackert thack...@nexgo.de wrote: Hello @ll, is it only me, or does Impress Remote does not work any longer with newer versions of LO? I have tested it with LO Version: 4.3.0.4 Build-ID: 62ad5818884a2fc2e5780dd45466868d41009ec0 as well as with Version: 4.4.0.0.alpha0+ Build ID: 9e970303ddcccd9e33641f8f00bbc4c739a58cd7 TinderBox: Linux-rpm_deb- x86@45-TDF, Branch:master, Time: 2014-07-22_02:33:57 (both parallel installed, following the instructions from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel and with Germanophone lang- as well as helppack) on Debian Testing i686. I used my Archos 80 Gen 9 tablet with Android 4.0.4 and my Acer Iconia A1-810 with Android 4.4.2 (both with Impress Remote available via F-Droid - https://f-droid.org - and via Play Store.) with Impress Remote 2.1.1 as well with the one from http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Android-ARM@24-Bytemark-Hosting/ (which, btw., is empty today?) from yesterday, IIRC, but to no avail ... :( Can someone confirm this? Steps to reproduce: 1. Start your Android device 2. Install Impress Remote either via Playstore or - better - via F- Droid, if you have not done it already ... ;) 3. Start your installed LO Impress 4. Either create a small presentation or open an existing one 5. Start Impress Remote on your Android device 6. On your desktop PC, Laptop, whatever: Go to Slide Show - Impress Remote In Impress Remote, you should see the name of your desktop PC, netbook, whatever or its operating system. But you do not see anything in LO's Impress Remote dialog ... :( With LO Version: 4.1.6.2 Build-ID: 40ff705089295be5be0aae9b15123f687c05b0a (also with Germanophone lang- as well as helppack) it works as expected ... ;) Whould someone be so kind to check, if it the same with iOS, please? TIA Thomas. -- A yawn is a silent shout. -- G. K. Chesterton ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ -- MX14 ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] REPOENED Status
Hi Tommy, all Tommy wrote pedro take a look at my other post. we probably need to change the WFM status change behaviour to something more logical and easier to handle. It obviously needs a solution. If REOPENED is reserved for developers (and in that case it should be visible ONLY for them) then there has to be an equally meaningful status that common users can select when someone changes to WFM and the user does not agree. I also realize that Developers prefer that Bugs should not be REOPENED because it is unlikely that the bug a user finds now is exactly the same problem that was solved before (even if the apparent result is the same and therefore the bug description is the same). They prefer that a new bug report is open. This is a major clue that REOPENED shouldn't even be visible to users... Maybe have an option so that when someone changes to WFM, then the user can change to MOREINFO, and adds additional info. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-REPOENED-Status-tp4117474p4117552.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] REPOENED Status
On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 10:34:01AM +0200, Florian Reisinger wrote: The bigger problem is the following: User A submitted a bug #123. A QA closes this bug as RESOLVED WFM. User A disagrees and puts the state to 1) REOPENED 2) NEEDINFO Sorry to say, but this error will continue... Well, maybe someone volunteers to watch bugs that changed state to REOPENED recently and checks if they are in the right state. Here is a query that does that for the last month: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=452344chfieldto=Nowquery_format=advancedchfield=bug_statuschfieldfrom=1mchfieldvalue=REOPENEDbug_status=REOPENEDproduct=LibreOffice returning 24 bugs moving into REOPENED, so less than ~1 bug per day. FWIW, watching this might even be a QA EasyHack, if someone wants to write and mentor that. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Impress Remote does not work any longer with LO 4.3.0.0.4 nor with master
Hello Richard, *, thanks for answering to this list as well :) On Sa, 2. Aug 2014 15:57 Richard wrote: I checked with LibO-4.2.5-2, Build ID: 420m0(Build:2) on Debian 7.6(MX-14). Thanks for your info :) Got nothing with Bluetooth, but wireless worked as expected, connected to Samsung 2 with Android 4.1.2 via Impress Remote 2.1.1. Have you tried it with a newer version than 4.2.5.2? I cannot use Impress Remote with LO 4.3.0.4 or master at all ... :( I have opened bug #82044 (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82044) for my bug ... ;) Learning about Bluetooth. Good luck :) Installing PulseAudio and its -module-bluetooth to see if that helps. Why PulseAudio? Do you want to play audio via BlueTooth? If you are using Gnome, I think, you should install gnome-bluetooth, bluemon or something like that ... ;) Thanks for your answer Thomas. Fullquote removed -- Q: How many bureaucrats does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: Two. One to assure everyone that everything possible is being done while the other screws the bulb into the water faucet. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] REPOENED Status
On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 07:14:59AM -0700, Pedro wrote: I also realize that Developers prefer that Bugs should not be REOPENED because it is unlikely that the bug a user finds now is exactly the same problem that was solved before (even if the apparent result is the same and therefore the bug description is the same). They prefer that a new bug report is open. This is a major clue that REOPENED shouldn't even be visible to users... Yeah. FWIW in an ideal work with unlimited development and QA ressources it would be like this: - developer puts bug in state RESOLVED/FIXED, when this is fixed on any branch - user/QA checks the fix is working as expected and if it is, moves the bug to VERIFIED/FIXED. Otherwise, the developer is notified and the bug stays in RESOLVED/FIXED for clarification with the developer. If the developer agrees the fix is incomplete, he moves the bug back to REOPENED. - upon release of the software from the branch containing the fix, all VERIFIED bugs move to CLOSED. Only those fixes and features (which are verified and released) are advertised. Except ... we dont have the ressources for such a workflow yet (and I doubt we should fully aim for that, as it is quite a costly way to run things). OTOH some more verifying of fixes and prerelease testing wouldnt be a Bad Thing. IMHO, just regluarly watching the bugs that were recently moved to REOPENED should work well on a practical level for now though. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Impress Remote does not work any longer with LO 4.3.0.0.4 nor with master
Why PulseAudio? Do you want to play audio via BlueTooth? If you are using Gnome, I think, you should install gnome-bluetooth, Using Xfce. Not for audio, installed pulseaudio just to see if it has an effect on waking up bluetooth. At present, bluetooth is active, but doesn't see my bluetooth phone. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Impress Remote does not work any longer with LO 4.3.0.0.4 nor with master
Hello Richard, *, On Sa, 2. Aug 2014 18:32 Richard wrote: Why PulseAudio? Do you want to play audio via BlueTooth? If you are using Gnome, I think, you should install gnome-bluetooth, Using Xfce. Not for audio, installed pulseaudio just to see if it has an effect on waking up bluetooth. O.K. At present, bluetooth is active, but doesn't see my bluetooth phone. Oh, O.K. Thanks for your answer and have a nice evening Thomas. -- The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility. And vice versa. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Bug 81968
Can somebody with a Windows system check the test file on this bug report 91968? I think it may be a problem with the submitter's system (which I've suggested to him), not a bug, but would like to confirm that the file doesn't cause an issue on a Windows system (don't have one). Would it be more appropriate to ask this of the QA team on IRC? Thanks. --Algot -- - Algot Runeman algot.rune...@verizon.net Web Site: http://www.runeman.org Twitter: http://twitter.com/algotruneman/ Open Source Blog: http://mosssig.wordpress.com MOSS SIG Mailing List: http://groups.google.com/group/mosssig2 ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
