Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice Online and Collabora Online demos for TDF members and contributors

[Andras Timar]

Hello Thomas,

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Thomas Hackert  wrote:

> Where should we report bugs found in LOOL? In our Bugzilla, here on
> this list or somewhere else?
> Have a nice afternoon
> Thomas.
>

Please report LOOL bugs in TDF Bugzilla. There is the LibreOffice Online
product/project .
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=LibreOffice%20Online

Thanks,
Andras
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] What to do with many files

[Andras Timar]

Hi,

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Ekari  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have almost 1000 proprietary MS files that I'm whiling
> to share for bug reports, I already reported some but
> I can't possibly do it alone for all files in a timely manner,
> would it be OK to drop the files compressed as xz
> somewhere to then be processed individually by the community?
>
>
Do you think that the community can fix 1000 bugs in a timely manner? Think
twice. Reporting a bug takes 5-10 minutes, fixing a bug can take a week or
more. It would be better to categorize those documents, and reduce the
number of files, because I doubt that they exhibit 1000 independent,
unrelated bugs. It is enough to submit one document for a specific bug.

Best regards,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Fw: findings from the plugfest

[Andras Timar]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Thorsten Behrens
 wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> below a list of question / issues with the ODF support - any
> volunteers to convert those not being obvious test or ODF standard bugs
> into bugzilla reports?


I reported at least two during the plugfest:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94260
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94279

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2015-11-19

[Andras Timar]

Hi,

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Jan Holesovsky  wrote:
> * Release Engineering update (Cloph)
> + 4.4.7 RC2 - due next week
> + patches waiting for 4.4 and 4.4.7, please review until Monday

I forgot to mention, that there is a patch of mine in the queue.
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/19945/
It solves tdf#76239 -- at least according to my tests it works --
which has 30 duplicates in Bugzilla, so I think it is quite annoying.
It would be good to get a second review.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Collabora LibreOffice Vanilla QA on OSX

[Andras Timar]

Hi Alex,

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Alexander Thurgood
 wrote:
> Le 23/06/2015 20:17, Andras Timar a écrit :
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> For the consequences of the build switches, as I understand them, see
> below :

Generally, you can read configure.ac for the meaning of build
switches. It would eliminate the guesswork.


>> --disable-lpsolve
> This is the internal solver code

We use coinmp instead.

>
>> --disable-neon
> Not sure about this one, but possibly related to network file access ?
>

We use serf instead.

>
>> --disable-python
>
> This switch builds in python support. If it is not present, any and all
> python-dependent functionality will fail to work - that includes
> mailmerge, many of the wizards that were rewritten in python (e.g.
> Fax/Letter template wizards), UNO programming via python,

Regarding Mailmerge, only the emailing script is in Python.

>
>
>> --with-theme=tango
>
> Bit surprised not to see the Breeze icon theme here - any particular
> reason ?
>

We plan to switch to Breeze.

>
>> --without-java
>
> Any and all Java required functionality will not work - this includes a
> great deal of Base (embedded hsqldb, any and all JDBC driver
> functionality, Oracle ReportWriter) any and all Java user extensions
> that people might wish to install, and also some of the remaining
> wizards that are still written in Java
>
> One would hope that a suitably clear explanatory message is given when
> the user tries to activate any such call to instantiate the JVM, or that
> the app won't suddenly curl up and die.

AFAIK there are no more Java Wizards in LO 4.3. Why would the app
suddenly die without Java? It does not die.

>
>
>> --without-myspell-dicts
>
> I'm not sure what the extent of the effect of this is. My understanding
> is that the hunspell/myspell dictionaries don't get built with this
> switch and that by default the Apple spelling correction is used instead ?
>

Apple spell checking is used.

>
>> --enable-ext-wiki-publisher
>> --enable-report-builder
>> --enable-ext-nlpsolver
>
> See above - with these switches on, the corresponding extensions are
> bundled - note that the report-builder extension requires Java,
> otherwise it will fail miserably to load and provoke an error message
> (or worse, the whole app will fail)

When you build --without-java, these switches have no effect.

>
>
>> --enable-symbols
>
> This is supposed to provide debugging symbols, although not quite sure
> how that works without --enable-dbgutil, maybe I have an incomplete
> understanding

On the contrary, --enable-dbgutil cannot be used with --enable-symbols.

Regards,
Andras
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Collabora LibreOffice Vanilla QA on OSX

[Andras Timar]

Hi Alex,

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Alex Thurgood  wrote:
> Le 23/06/2015 20:17, Andras Timar a écrit :
>
> Hi Andras,
>
> Wow, thanks for the build switches, good to know.
>
> Seeing as both Java and Python are disabled, as are most of the
> (optional) extensions, can I safely assume that Base won't work ?
> Neither will mailmerge or any of the python based assistants ?
>
> This is useful to know so that we can immediately point this out to
> people who might be expecting to find this functionality within the product.
>

"Apps that use deprecated or optionally installed technologies (e.g.,
Java, Rosetta) will be rejected" -- says the App Store policy. I read
on internet that it was possible to bundle OpenJDK with some app and
it was accepted by Apple. It is not planned for LibreOffice, however.
On the other hand, it would be good to bundle Python, but the current
packaging scheme was rejected by review. Hopefully I can find a
solution for this one day.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Collabora LibreOffice Vanilla QA on OSX

[Andras Timar]

Hi,

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Robinson Tryon
 wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Alexander Thurgood
>  wrote:
>> Le 23/06/2015 15:21, Robinson Tryon a écrit :
>>> How differently is it built? My understanding is that it's pretty
>>> close, but I haven't had a chance to really delve into the details. As
>>> we likely will start to see bugs showing up in Bugzilla, it might be
>>> good for us to make some notes for QA, just so we can make sure that
>>> reports get shuffled-over to the right people who can triage them and
>>> then fix them.
>>
>> I don't actually know all of the differences, but for starters, it
>> appears to be built on 4.3.x branch from what I have read elsewhere. I
>> have no idea what other build switches are in there.
>

There are two products in the App Store.

1. LibreOffice-from-Collabora is based on LibreOffice 4.3. It is not
EOL, it is the supported product of Collabora. There are many
backported bugfixes and backported stable features in it, which are
not in the latest and EOLed TDF LibreOffice 4.3.7.

2. LibreOffice Vanilla is basically the same as TDF LibreOffice 4.4.4.

In the future the for-pay LibreOffice-from-Collabora will always be
from the same source as the LibreOffice-from-Collabora product, which
is offered for the enterprise. LibreOffice Vanilla will always be the
latest TDF Fresh build, so probably we'll switch to 5.0 after it is
released.

Two kinds of bugs I can image.

1. Specific to Collabora builds. Hopefully there will not be many. So
I think there is no need to set up rules with a great effort. At the
beginning there will be some (please cc me in bugzilla), because it is
a new platform after all.

2. Normal bugs, that people happen to find in App Store builds. No
special handling is needed, obviously.

Please find below the build configurations Collabora used:

LibreOffice-from-Collabora:
--with-distro=CPOSX
--disable-ext-ct2n
--disable-ext-google_docs
--disable-ext-mariadb-connector
--disable-ext-numbertext
--disable-lotuswordpro
--disable-lpsolve
--disable-neon
--disable-opengl
--disable-pdfimport
--disable-postgresql-sdbc
--enable-64-bit
--enable-canonical-installation-tree-structure
--enable-macosx-code-signing=xxx
--enable-macosx-package-signing=xxx
--enable-macosx-retina
--enable-macosx-sandbox
--with-macosx-teamid=xxx
--enable-mpl-subset
--disable-python
--enable-release-build
--with-external-tar=/Users/timar/lo/source/src
--with-macosx-app-name=LibreOffice-from-Collabora
--with-macosx-bundle-identifier=com.collabora.libreoffice
--with-macosx-sdk=10.10
--with-macosx-version-min-required=10.8
--with-theme=tango
--without-help
--without-helppack-integration
--without-java
--without-package-format
--without-myspell-dicts

LibreOffice Vanilla:
--with-vendor=Collabora
--enable-extension-integration
--disable-online-update
--disable-odk
--enable-ext-wiki-publisher
--enable-report-builder
--enable-ext-nlpsolver
--disable-ext-ct2n
--disable-ext-google_docs
--disable-ext-languagetool
--disable-ext-mariadb-connector
--disable-ext-numbertext
--disable-lotuswordpro
--disable-lpsolve
--disable-neon
--disable-pdfimport
--disable-postgresql-sdbc
--enable-64-bit
--enable-canonical-installation-tree-structure
--enable-symbols
--enable-macosx-sandbox
--with-macosx-teamid=xxx
--enable-mpl-subset
--disable-python
--enable-release-build
--with-lang=ar as ast bg bn-IN br ca ca-valencia cy cs da de el en-US
en-GB es et eu fi fr ga gd gl gu he hi hr hu id is it ja km kn ko lt
lv ml mr nb nl nn oc or pa-IN pl pt pt-BR ro ru sk sl sr sr-Latn sv ta
te tr uk vi zh-CN zh-TW
--with-macosx-app-name=LibreOffice Vanilla
--with-macosx-bundle-identifier=com.collabora.libreoffice-free
--with-macosx-sdk=10.10
--with-macosx-version-min-required=10.8
--with-theme=tango
--without-java
--without-package-format
--enable-macosx-code-signing=xxx
--enable-macosx-package-signing=xxx
--with-external-tar=/Users/timar/lo/source/src

These can change in the future (and now that I'm reading through it, I
see silly things, such as enabling java extensions, then disabling
java), but this is what I used to produce these App Store builds.

Regards,
Andras
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bibisect Requests

[Andras Timar]

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:37 AM, Norbert Thiebaud  wrote:
> On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 5:52 PM,   wrote:
>> Quoting "Norbert Thiebaud" :
>>
>>> I've also put together a 'sample of a bibisect for Windows
>>> git://gerrit.libreoffice.org/bibisect-win32-5.0
>>> about 400MB
>>
>>
>> I have cloned the repo onto Windows Vista.  However, with both
>> "oldest" and the latest versions, I observe:
>>
>> (*) instdir/program/soffice.exe reports "The program cannot find the
>> file specified.".
>
> it of course works locally here.. and I cloned it on a windows 2012 r2
> and it worked there...

It works for me, too, on Windows 7. I cloned the repo from cygwin with
git version 2.1.1, and I can start soffice.exe either from the
console, or from Explorer. Thanks for this Windows repo, it will be
very useful.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Windows dev please evaluate my ProposedEasyHack

[Andras Timar]

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Lionel Elie Mamane  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 05:00:19PM +, Michael Meeks wrote:
>> * Pending Action Items:
>> + please file an Easy-Hack this week: just a bug with whiteboard: (All)
>> "EasyHack DifficultyBeginner SkillCpp TopicCleanup"
>> + thanks to:
>> + Stephan, Michael, Lionel, Ashdod
>> + http://bit.ly/1DTbesP
>
> An easy way to do that would be to evaluate
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56904
> which is Windows-specific, so I don't really have a clue how to do it
> and what it entails, but I expect it is rather easy if one already
> knows one's way around msi (Windows Installer) files and how we
> generate them.
>
> Is it "easy" enough for EasyHack? Can you outline to the lucky winner
> that will pick it up how to do it?

IMHO hacking MSI is not easy by any means. It's probably easy only for
an installer expert. I'd add the AccessDatabaseEngine.exe to a
CustomAction and call this CustomAction in the install sequence. It
may work. But why add a 25MB 3rd party package to LibreOffice, which
will benefit a tiny fraction of users? We don't even bundle Java,
which has a wider audience. I think it's enough to add a paragraph to
help, with the link to this MS download page.

Best regards,
Andras
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Keyword "bisected"

[Andras Timar]

Hi Joel,

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Joel Madero  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I just found out that this keyword "bisected" is being used. I'm curious
> who is using it and what it is identifying. Also, I'm curious if we
> shouldn't move whatever it is being used for to the whiteboard - having
> 2 bisect things being in whiteboard, and then 1 in keyword seems strange
> to me. We have "bibisectRequest" and "bibisected" in whiteboard, then we
> have "bisect" in keyword.
>
> A couple people have told me they use the keyword to indicate that the
> exact (or nearly the exact) commit has been identified. If this is
> true...it's good to have (and would be another potential easy hack to
> move bibisected to bisected), but we need to share this information with
> developers so that it's actually useful information. Else, if developers
> are just querying for "bibisected" in whiteboard, they are going to miss
> bisected in keyword

I use the bisected keyword to indicate the *exact* commit that caused
the regression. For bibisected we use the whiteboard, because we
cannot add keywords on freedesktop, but in new TDF bugzilla instance
bibisected can be a keyword, too.

Regards,
Andras
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Windows master daily builds stuck to nov 12

[Andras Timar]

Hi,

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Tommy  wrote:
> hi, is there any reason why I can't find a 4.4.x daily build after 12th
> november?
> http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/
>
> all the tinderbox are stuck to that date
>

I guess you mean the Windows tinderboxes only. It is a known problem
with packaging. I'm working on the solution.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.7 RC1 test builds available

[Andras Timar]

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Dan Lewis  wrote:
>
>  There was a bug (regression) involving Base first appearing in 4.0.0
> and fixed in 4.3.2.1. My question: will the bug fix be back ported to 4.2.7?
> If not, then Base 4.2.7 is not of much use to anyone with complex forms.
> FYI: it involved a subform which had a subform. Whether it is back ported or
> not, it does need to be mentioned in the release notes as a problem that is
> not solved until 4.3.2.1.

What is the bug number? Sometimes a fix was not backported, because
the author did not have a 4.2 build to test and did not care that much
about the old stable branch. If this was the case, then we can still
do it.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANNOUNCE] Branch libreoffice-4-3-2 and Tag libreoffice-4.3.2.1 created

[Andras Timar]

Hi Robinson,

You have not created libreoffice-4-3-2 branches on help, dictionaries
and translation submodules.

Regards,
Andras

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Christian Lohmaier
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The tag libreoffice-4.3.2.1 (AKA 4.3.2 RC1) and the corresponding
> branch libreoffice-4-3-2 have been created.
> The branch will be used for fine tuning of the 4.3.2 release. (there
> is one additional RC planned)
>
> The following rules apply:
>
> + preferably just translation or blocker fixes
> + only cherry-picking from libreoffice-4-3 branch
> + 2 additional reviews needed; 2nd reviewer pushes
> + no regular merges back to anything
>
> The 'libreoffice-4-3' branch is still active and will be used for the
> 4.3.3 bugfix release. Please read more at
>http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/4.3#4.3.2_release
>http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Branches
>http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Release_Criteria
>
> Now, if you want to switch your clone to the branch, please do:
>
> ./g pull -r
> ./g checkout -b libreoffice-4-3-2 origin/libreoffice-4-3-2
>
> To checkout the tag, use
>
> ./g fetch --tags
> ./g checkout -b tag-libreoffice-4.3.2.1 libreoffice-4.3.2.1
>
> Hopefully it will work for you :-)  Most probably, you will also want to
> do (if you haven't done it yet):
>
> git config --global push.default tracking
>
> When you do git push with this, git will push only the branch you are
> on; e.g. libreoffice-4-3-2 when you have switched to it.  This will
> save you some git shouting at you.
>
> Linux distro packages might find source tarballs at
> http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/
> They will soon be available from the official page together with the builds.
>
> Attached is the list of changes against 4.3.1 RC2 (4.3.1 final)
>
> Happy hacking,
> Christian
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-08-07

[Andras Timar]

On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Jan Holesovsky  wrote:
> + help Cloph with the quickstarter disabling (Andras)
> + Windows quickstarter status 
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/10669/
> + checkbox in the installer seems to cause problems :-(
> + reverted the right way, but still has problems
> + Andras will check it

See https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/10817/ If we do not package
quickstarter.exe, then the installer will not offer Quickstart feature
as an optional component, and the checkbox will not be displayed on
the last page of installer wizard. It is the cleanest solution and it
can be reverted easily, when the correct functionality is restored.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LIbreOffice 4.3.0 Beta2 available

[Andras Timar]

On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Robinson Tryon
 wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Andras Timar  wrote:
>> If you do "parallel install", then you have to install MSVC runtime on your 
>> own.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=30679
>
> Andras -- is the MSVC step documented in the documentation on the wiki?
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows
>
> (If the docs appear to be out of date, could you please update them?)
>

Done.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Microsoft_Visual_C.2B.2B_Runtime_DLLs

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LIbreOffice 4.3.0 Beta2 available

[Andras Timar]

On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Pedro  wrote:
> Performing a Parallel Install of  LO43 Beta2 under Windows XP Pro SP3 en_US
> x86 returns
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lrumjkpjwah1tdz/Screenshot%202014-06-06%2015.49.50.png
>
>

If you do "parallel install", then you have to install MSVC runtime on your own.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=30679

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] new mab4.4 page and last (die hard) mab4.1

[Andras Timar]

Hi,

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Tommy  wrote:
> hi QA guys,
> I've created a new mab4.4 page at
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79641
> moreover I ask confirmation of the last surviving mab4.1 at
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59613 so we can finally close
> that meta-issue
>

Yes, fdo#59613 is reproducible in 4.2 builds. It is very easy to check
it, you don't need RTL operating system or RTL UI language. Just set
the SAL_RTL_ENABLED environment variable before staring libreoffice.

Windows: start cmd, the command prompt in the 'program' directory of
LibreOffice.
> set SAL_RTL_ENABLED=1
> soffice

Linux:
$ SAL_RTL_ENABLED=1 /path/to/libreoffice/program/soffice

You'll have an English RTL UI.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] last surviving mab4.0

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> Bug 59613 - RTL VIEWING: Increasing size of dialogs to right or bottom
> causes artifacts
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59613
>

This one is still there in 4.1 and 4.2. BTW you can test RTL with
en-US builds, if you set the SAL_RTL_ENABLED environment variable.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO 4.2 RC1 (aka 4.2.0.1)

[Andras Timar]

Hi,

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Pedro  wrote:
> Hi all
>
> As I have mentioned several times during Alpha development (and never got
> any answer, as usual) the 4.2 installer under Windows no longer offers the
> option to select which Modules to install during a Custom install.
>
> Was this a TDF decision or is this a bug?
>

It was my decision. Explanation in short: this optionality made little
sense, and was source of bugs, e.g. when Writer was not installed, LO
did not start, when Base was not installed, Bibloography menu in
Writer crashed, etc.


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Grammar check does not work, when there is no spellcheck in a document

[Andras Timar]

On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Pedro  wrote:
> Thomas Hackert wrote
>> Hi again,
>> "sigh" ... It seems, either I expect too unexpected things from LO,
>> or the grammar check is not usable at all ... :( But if I switch my
>> UI settings to en-US, I can write something completely rubbish, and
>> the grammar checker will not find it, if all words are written
>> correctly ... :(
>
> You should notice that the message says "The spellcheck is complete"
> There is no grammar correction. That is one of the (main?) reasons people
> prefer MS Word ;)
>
> In any case using Word 2003, the final sentence after grammar correction is
> "Does he know that he has wrong?" which is much better than "Does he known,
> that he has wrong." but still isn't correct English...
>
> So, the answer is "B) grammar check is not usable at all" only spell
> checking is performed (which means that the menu option name "Spelling and
> Grammar" is misleading)
>

The built-in English grammar checker (Lightproof) does not know many
rules. It does not mean, that "B) grammar check is not usable at all".
It works as designed. Spell checkers and grammar checkers are UNO
components, so users don't have to use the standard, built-in ones,
but it is possible to use alternatives. Examples include Zemberek
(Turkish spell checker), Voikko (Finnish spell checker), Duden
Korrektor (German), and LanguageTool (grammar checker for many
languages).

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] qtz (key-ID) builds with two entries "Language Settings" in "Tools - Options" dialog

[Andras Timar]

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Sophie  wrote:
> Le 02/12/2013 17:12, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
>> Hi @ll,
>> as I tried to find a string in the UI, I switched LO to the UI
>> language "key-ID" (with installed qtz lang- as well as helppack).
>> After restarting LO I opened "3LxCd||Tools – cVAJp||Options". There
>> are the entries "NX4eJ||Language Settings" as well as "Bshz7||
>> Language Settings". The first entry contains the usual "Languages",
>> "Writing Aids" stuff and the last one "English sentence checking"
>> entry. Is this intended?
>>
>> Steps to reproduce:
>> 1. Install key-ID langpack (e.g. 
>> http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/deb/x86_64/LibreOfficeDev_4.2.0.0.beta1_Linux_x86-64_deb_langpack_qtz.tar.gz)
>> 2. Switch UI language to "key-ID"
>> 3. Open "Tools – Options" dialog
>> 4. Look at the left side of the dialog
>>
>> LO: Version: 4.2.0.0.beta1 Build ID:
>> f4ca7b35f580827ad2c69ea6d29f7c9b48ebbac7
>> OS: Debian Testing AMD64
>
> I can reproduce. Usually, this page is the last entry of the Language
> Settings section, I don't know if it's an issue with the KeyID build.

The two "Language Settings" get different KeyIDs, therefore
LibreOffice cannot merge them runtime. The same would happen, if you
translated the two "Language Settings" string differently. This is not
a bug.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New "Live Data Streams" OLH links to empty wiki help page

[Andras Timar]

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Thomas Hackert  wrote:
> Hello @ll,
> as I try to translate the new "Live Data Streams" dialog, I wanted
> to read the OLH for it. But for some reason it tries to open
> http://help.libreoffice.org/sdatabase/modules/scalc/ui/datastreams/url.

LibreOffice could not resolve the help URL in local help, so it tried
online. Of course, it did not find anything, because this help page
simply does not exits. The sad fact is, that developers usually do not
write help pages for new feautures. There are a few exceptions of
course, I don't want to ignore anybody's work.

Live Data Streams can be used to load real time data from the internet
to Calc, for example stock prices, and you can create live charts, or
make calculations based on the live data.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Colour "[]" in LibreLogo's "Area Style / Filling"

[Andras Timar]

Hi,

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Thomas Hackert  wrote:
> Hello Sophie, *,
> On Dienstag, 26. November 2013 18:32 Sophie wrote:
>> Le 26/11/2013 18:28, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
>>> On Dienstag, 26. November 2013 17:43 Sophie wrote:
 Le 26/11/2013 16:53, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
>>> 
> Steps to reproduce:
> 1. Create a new Writer document
> 2. click on the symbol with the green triangle
> 3. mark the newly inserted image
> 4. look in LibreLogo's toolbar right of the dropdown menu with
> "Color" in it.
> You will then see this green colour with "[]" on its right side
> ...
> :( In LO Version: 4.1.3.2 Build ID:
> 70feb7d99726f064edab4605a8ab840c50ec57a there is the name
> "Light green" (in my Germanophone version "Hellgrün" ... ;)
>
> Is this intended? Could someone confirm it?

 I'm not sure this is intended. Usually this is when the color is
 imported with no name, I think the name of the color is missing
 here.
>>>
>>> ah, O.K. But you can confirm it, can't you ;?
>>
>> Yes, yes, confirmed :)
>
> O.K. Thanks :)
>
>> And Joren sent me a mail that it's may be
>> related to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43938
>
> If LibreLogo uses the same mechanism, maybe ... ;) But as I am not a
> dev ... :(

Only a few colors have name. Only those colors have name, that are
part of the current palette. Light green was removed from standard
palette, because Symphony's palette was adopted. It is super easy to
fix this "bug" with LibreLogo, we only have to choose a similar green
for the turtle, that has a name. For example instead of 00ff00 (former
Light green) we can use 00cc00 which is "Green 3". Send a patch
(change __FILLCOLOR__ in LibreLogo.py).

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Missing letters in Basic OLH on »"/" operator (mathematical)« with Master build

[Andras Timar]

Hi Thomas,

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Thomas Hackert  wrote:

> . All the last letter/numbers are missing there ... :( Is it
> intended?

Of course, not. It is a bug. Please report it, and cc Stephan
Bergmann, because he worked on the syntax highlighter 5 days ago, and
I suspect that this change caused the regression.

> And where (or better: how ... ;) ) do I find this help text on
> help.libreoffice.org? A search for "iValue" on it does not find it
> ... :(

https://help.libreoffice.org/Basic/Slash_Operator_Runtime

But it was generated long ago, so it is good.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Why no daily master builds

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On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Pedro  wrote:
> Tinderbox #39 manages to produce Windows binaries most days (even if they do
> not work in Windows XP) so it must be doing something right :)

Yes, because it builds with --disable-odk.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Why no daily master builds

[Andras Timar]

Hi Pedro,

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Pedro  wrote:
> I believe it must be related to the fact that many of the tinderboxes (e.g.
> Tinderbox #6, the only one producing binaries for all Windows versions) were
> run by Suse staff and Suse has dropped LO development
> (https://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2013-09-03-collabora.html)

No, that's not the case. Tinderboxes are up and running and it was
never the responsibility of the SUSE staff to fix regressions reported
by Tinderboxes. Now we have a big change in the build system again,
the feature/instdir branch was merged, I think that it causes the
build break that we see now. Hopefully it will be fixed soon.

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[Libreoffice-qa] WikiHelp update

[Andras Timar]

Hi,

For your information, I uploaded LibreOffice 4.1 help pages to
http://help.libreoffice.org today (including localizations).

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] URGENT Cherry pick regressions to next release

[Andras Timar]

On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Pedro  wrote:
> Here is an example that will cause DATA LOSS for any user of 4.1.0 (it was
> cherry picked to 4.1.1)
>
> https://bugassistant.libreoffice.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66420
>
> I believe this should be a QUALITY rule.

It is in the review queue for 4.1.0:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/4738/

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Test the Photo Album Creator

[Andras Timar]

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Pedro  wrote:
> Samuel Mehrbrodt-2 wrote
>> Also this doesn't have a help page yet. Where is the right place to
>> request one?
>
> Help page is with the Documentation folks...
> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Documentation-f1645240.html

I don't recall that Documentation folks have ever contributed anything
to help, but I may be wrong. AFAIK they work on User Guides.

I think that the Photo Album feature is pretty much self-explaining. A
trivial UI reference help, such as "Press the Create button to create
the Photo Album" or "You can choose one from the three pre-defined
layouts, 1 image per slide, 2 images per slide or 4 images per slide"
is not very useful. What help text did you think of? I can easily add
a help page, if I'm provided with the text.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Andras Timar]

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Michael Meeks  wrote:
> * Pending Action Items
> + drop the unused xmerge filters, but retain the framework (Timar)

In fact, it's completed.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] installing 400rc2 parallel on Windows - no way to choose extensions ?

[Andras Timar]

Hi,

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 10:59 PM, V Stuart Foote  wrote:
> Andras,
>
> So as per the  Installing_in_parallel Wiki
> 
> to install a parallel instance, should we be setting a WRITEREGSITRY=0 when
> doing the command line /A administrative installation?

Administrative installation just extracts the embedded CAB file onto
the disk in the right folder structure. It does not write anything to
registry. WRITEREGISTRY property has no effect.

>
> And other than adjusting the "*UserInstallation=*" location of the
> program\bootstrap.ini file so as to not clobber the existing user
> profile--the administrative install becomes the working "parallel"
> installation?   Does the system default language become the language of the
> administrative install?  Or does it always remain 1033, en-US?

AFAIK default language selection happens at first start.

>
> Couldn't LibreOffice program features and alternate languages be configured
> and applied against the administrative install using a .MST transform file?
> And how complicated would that have to be to end up with a usable alternate
> installation--not needing to run the recast .MSI located in the
> administrative install's folder.
>

If I understand correctly, you would like to test custom
installations, where not all features are present, parallel. I don't
know, how to do that right. One option is to manually delete files
that belong to a given feature. I don't know how to manipulate
administrative images with MST files.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] installing 400rc2 parallel on Windows - no way to choose extensions ?

[Andras Timar]

Hi Rainer,

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Rainer Bielefeld
 wrote:
> Andras Timar schrieb:
>
>
>> Yes, it is. With msiexec /a you convert the install kit from one
>> format to another. It is not an installation
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Yes, but I wonder what can be done with the .msi above the program folder? I
> am pretty sure that I was involved in a discussion concerning reasons of
> that .msi, but I forgot all results.
>

You can install LibreOffice with that .msi. It works the same as the original.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] installing 400rc2 parallel on Windows - no way to choose extensions ?

[Andras Timar]

Hi Cor,

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Cor Nouws  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As not regular Windows user, I hit a problem with installing 400rc2.
> I use parallel installation (1)
>
> After  " msiexec /a LibreOffice_4.0.0.2_Win_x81.msi  "
> I can give the path, but do not have the option to choose which extensions
> (e.g. language packs) will be installed.
> Is that regular, expected, behaviour?
>

Yes, it is. With msiexec /a you convert the install kit from one
format to another. It is not an installation, just an extraction of
the single msi file.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] how to Build a locale with my own *.po

[Andras Timar]

Hi,

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:54 AM, jinl...@nfs.iscas.ac.cn
 wrote:
>
> I have my own source(*.po) for a certain locale. Is it ok if I just put the
> source to the "translation modules" and rebuild the source to get my own
> build?
>

You need to configure --with-lang=xxx, where xxx is your language
code. Also make sure that you have your language code in
solenv/inc/langlist.mk

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Blocker Bug Reported Against 4 - Windows Custom Install Fails

[Andras Timar]

Hi,

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Joel Madero  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> This is an urgent one as we are starting our test week, can someone with
> Windows see if they can reproduce:
>
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58275
>
> If we can, we'll have to come up with a plan as it may prevent a lot of
> users from participating in our marathon test week.
>

We run a ,NET check during install, and if the required version of
.NET is not installed, then we silently do not install CLI URE bridge.
The problem that people see, that we require .NET 2.0 in installer,
while the assemblies in fact require .NET 4.0. It is still under
discussion how to solve the situation. But for testers there is an
easy workaround. Well, there are two.

1. Install .NET 4.0.
-- OR --
2. Install LibreOffice from the command line:
msiexec /i LibO-Dev_4.0.0.0.beta1_Win_x86_install_multi.msi
REQUIRED_DOTNET_VERSION=4.0.0.0

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Crystal reports RTF missing picture and wrong pagination

[Andras Timar]

Hi there,

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:42 PM, vlakov  wrote:
> LibreOffice is great. It is very nice to have free Office suite. Thank you
> for your effort.
> But for now it is unusable for us. What worked in the past in OpenOffice now
> it is broken altogether in LibreOffice.  We use OpenOffice that yields more
> reliable/stable result - RTF documents generated with Crystal reports.

Could you please report this bug to bugzilla.freedesktop.org? Please
attach these attachments there, set the regression keyword as well,
and put Miklos Vajna in CC. RTF regressions are usually fixed very
fast, it can be fixed until 4.0 release. No bug report - no fix,
sorry. Bugreporting does not work via mail.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.2 RC2 test builds available

[Andras Timar]

Hi Micheal,

2012/9/27 Michael Meeks :
> Hi Andras,
>
> On Thu, 2012-09-27 at 15:45 +0200, Andras Timar wrote:
>> I am going to fix it over the weekend. But in case the fix does not get
>> into 3.6 branch in time, a simple workaround is to add --disable-gtk to
>> the configuration for Windows and MacOS X builds.
>
> Isn't that just a matter of adding it to the distro-config files ?
> having custom configure settings on release build machines is a
> disaster-area :-)
>

I agree, please cherry pick
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=4fed2075cc3ae3857485cf5f370ad7717e823be4

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.2 RC2 test builds available

[Andras Timar]

Hi Pedro,

2012/9/27 Pedro :
> Hi all
>
> I'm installing RC2
>
> Why is "GNOME integration" selected by default on the Windows installer?
> What does it do? Should it even show on the Windows installer?
>

It is an empty feature, it does not install anything. However, it is
annoying that we have it there. We had the solution last week, but
unfortunately the fix or workaround was not applied.

David Tardon wrote on libreoffice dev list:
Ah, so we clearly need a better mechanism to select VCL plugins that can
be built on a given platform. Currently, --enable-gtk is on by default
independent of the platform, so it is set even on Windows or MacOS X,
where it has no sense. Of course, it has not had any visible effect till
now

I am going to fix it over the weekend. But in case the fix does not get
into 3.6 branch in time, a simple workaround is to add --disable-gtk to
the configuration for Windows and MacOS X builds.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Closing FIXED bugs

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Hi,

2012/9/25 Richard :
> Then our criteria are misplaced?
> If bugs are not to be CLOSED but only RESOLVED;
> then we need to change our search and triage methods?

The fact is that there are 4628 RESOLVED LibreOffice bugs in Bugzilla.
IMHO QA manpower could be used better, than to check and close these
bugs, not to mention the annoying bugmail flood. Maybe it does not
look nice from the theoretical point of view.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Closing FIXED bugs

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Hi,

2012/9/23 Olivier Hallot :
> Hi
>
> I have a set of fdo bugs I opened, that are already FIXED and some of
> them long time ago. Is it ok to CLOSE them? If not, what are the
> criteria for closing them?

Personally I dislike CLOSE-ing bugs after they are RESOLVED, it
generates extra bugmail with not really relevant information.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Esc Call Notes

[Andras Timar]

2012/9/13 Joel Madero :
> There are 30ish students from Hungary (I believe?) doing development, asked
> for more EasyHacks to work on, I suggested that maybe they could help triage
> and maybe find their own EasyHacks (not sure what the result of this was)

There have been 13 since last year (not 30). I've got 0-5 in one time,
currently I have 1, he is working on fdo#41737. I would love, if
students could find their own EasyHacks, but in most of the cases they
need guidance. They work on the project only for 6 weeks, and this is
very short. I was thinking of putting not-so-great coders on bug
triage, but I did not do that. They need to produce code in the first
place. When new students come, probably I'll do it a little bit
different, and have them work ~1 hour a day on bug triage. I think
that would make a difference.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 ALPHA1 test builds available

[Andras Timar]

2012/6/8 Michael Meeks :
>
> On Fri, 2012-06-08 at 00:36 +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 10:45:51AM -0700, Pedro wrote:
>> > Does "Bad luck" mean "Tough luck for Windows 2000 users because we are not
>> > even going to try to fix that"?
>>
>> Also please consider yourself part of "we".
>
>        Ah - I think it's a fair question personally; there is not much love
> for the Windows 2000 build IIRC. Having said that it sounds odd to me
> that it's so small / busted there - I wonder how we managed that :-)
>
>        Is there a bug filed ? and is it a MAB for 3.6 ? ie. I don't see it
> here:
>
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=6&hide_resolved=1

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50875

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 ALPHA1 test builds available

[Andras Timar]

2012/6/6 Pedro :
> FYI the new About box does not show up on Windows 2000.
>
Yeah, it is a 3 x 10 pixel object on Windows 2000. At least it can be
closed with Alt+F4. Bad luck.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call...

[Andras Timar]

2012/5/24 Caolán McNamara :
> * QA update (Rainer)
>        + best builds for windows testing to get backtraces ?
>                + use bytemark box builds, tinderbox #20

On Windows, symbols are not embedded in executables but they are in
separate .pdb files. Please zip *.pdb from solver together and upload
it next to the installer, otherwise it will not be possible to produce
backtraces.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-projects] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.1 RC1 available

[Andras Timar]

2012.02.27. 14:31 keltezéssel, Volker Merschmann írta:

There are some duplicate entries in the options menu for Writer here,
installed in german on Windows XP32. One localized, one in english,
for Mailmerge, Compatibility and AutoCaption.


Thanks for the bug report, it is really annoying. I know how to fix it, 
and I will fix it for RC2.


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] RC3 released as Final version???

[Andras Timar]

Hi,

2012/2/15 Petr Mladek :
> 4. Always omit the human readable "rcX" and distinguish the builds
>   another way, .e.g. by the tag number 3.x.y.z.
>
>   Will this be enough for QA people?
>
>
> 5. Wait if real users complain.
>
>   Olav says, that they already complain?
>
>
> I prefer the 4th solution if the 5th one is not acceptable for you.

I prefer 4th, too. I think that in About box only end user information
should be shown. For QA people I started to hack a page, which is like
about:buildconfig in Firefox, it will have much more detail, including
configure options, compiler version, etc. I will continue to work on
that feature when I find some time.

In regards of  "real users", in Hungarian forums I have already read
complains. :( People just cannot understand that rc3=final.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] Referencing bugs in commits

[Andras Timar]

2012/2/14 Ivan Timofeev :
> On 14.02.2012 19:31, Michael Meeks wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2012-02-14 at 16:16 +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
>>>
>>> Markus has implemented a nice feature that should help keeping the bugs
>>> up to date: whenever you are committing / pushing to git, and you
>>
>>
>>        ooh ! really lovely :-)
>>
>>        Great work Markus !
>
>
> Indeed!!! :) I'm always exceedingly amazed at the work Markus do as a
> free-time contributor.
>
> Just a question:
> Is it possible somehow include the information about a target version?
>
IMHO target version is not known at commit time. Developer commits the
fix to master and optionally asks for cherry picking. Whoever closes
the bug should update the target version in bugzilla.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO 3.5.0.rc3 : deployment, gpo, msi, vc2008, etc.

[Andras Timar]

2012/2/8 Cor Nouws :
> Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote (08-02-12 06:27)
>
>
>> Thank you for investigate that problem. Bug report is here :
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45750
>
>
> I would say that it is great that this bug surfaces now!
> Because I would not expect, nor advise, that a dot-0 version will be
> deployed via Group Policy on larger scale in enterprises.
> Therefore so much the better that they discovered it :-)
>

Yes, it is good, however, the only info I have is a French error
message in a message box. I'm not and I have never been a Windows
systems administrator, so further hints, msi install logs, etc. are
most welcome. I'm afraid that I have to install Windows server myself,
set up a domain, and so on, because otherwise the bug is not
reproducible. How nice it would be, if I could avoid that. :)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO 3.5.0.rc3 : deployment, gpo, msi, vc2008, etc.

[Andras Timar]

Hi,

2012/2/7 Jean-Baptiste Faure :
> Hi all,
>
> In the FR community, several users said that it is impossible to deploy
> LO 3.5.0 rc[1|2|3] under MS-Windows-7 using GPO.
>
> Did some of you try to do that ?
> It seems that there is a problem with the fact that the redistributable
> vc2008 is included in the msi.
>

I guess we really need your input about this issue, e.g. a detailed
bugreport. I'll investigate.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Blocker in 3.5.0Beta3?

[Andras Timar]

Hi Pedro,

2012/1/29 Pedro :
> Hi Andras, all
>
>
> Andras Timar-3 wrote
>>
>>     Why don't you remove en-US language files from the install set, if you
>>     don't need them? IS1033=0?
>>
>
> This might be a good workaround but it is not a solution... Do you mean it's
> too late to fix this for 3.5.0?
>
>

Well, yes, it is very unlikely that it can be "fixed" today, providing
that it requires 3 review, and I still don't understand what the
problem is. I need a good bugreport first with steps how to reproduce
the issue.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Blocker in 3.5.0Beta3?

[Andras Timar]

Hi Olivier,

2012/1/29 Olivier Hallot :
> The installation dialogs are now in pt-BR, which is fine.
>
> However, in a customized installation (where I removed tons of useless
> dictionaries), the user interface of the first invokation is in English
> and not in pt-BR.
>
> This is a serious issue and source of a tsunami of complains.
>
> Please advise.

Why don't you remove en-US language files from the install set, if you
don't need them? IS1033=0?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Blocker in 3.5.0Beta3?

[Andras Timar]

Hi,

2012/1/18 Pedro :
> Hi all
>
> While installing LO 3.5.0Beta3 today in my Win XP Home x86 pt-PT netbook I
> noticed that the installer only starts in Portuguese for a brief second and
> then switches to English.
>
> I had never tried a 3.5.x build in that netbook and after quickly testing
> with Beta1 and Beta2 I conclude that there is some bug with language
> selection.
>
> Does it work correctly in other languages?
>

Yes, normally it does.

> If not, should I report this as a blocker?
>

Please report that bug with pt-BR and assign it to me.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Call for LO-3.5.0-beta1 pre-tag testing

[Andras Timar]

2011/12/11 Fridrich Strba :
> On 10/12/11 07:34, Petr Mladek wrote:
>>
>> The 64-bit build for few localizations is being uploaded at
>>
>> http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/Linux_x86_64_Release_Configuration/libreoffice-3-5/
>>
>> It is built the same way like the 32-bit build, see above. We started
>> the regular tinderbox again.
>>
>> Please, do not get confused that the two Linux builds has the version
>> beta0 in the name a no time, ... They were uploaded manually. The builds
>> produced by tinderbox will have the right names for dailies again.
>
>
> I have produced the "release like" Windows build too. It is currently
> landing at
> http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/Windows_Release_Configuration/libreoffice-3-5/
> It is a result of a checkout from Friday night and it should contain the new
> postgresql connector. Would be thus nice to test whether it works. In case
> you have a pgsql server to connect to.
>
> Some packaging issues with our libreoffice-3-5 branch:
> 1) Although we produce a LibreOffice_Dev target, the resulting download
> packages/msi installer don't have the "Dev" in its name.
> 2) I produced an SDK installer (not uploaded though) and it has no mention
> of "SDK" in the name either. That is the reason I did not upload it because
> it would just confuse people.


I fixed both issues with d75885f5190ef3bc12932db281af4ac74f7a0616 in
libreoffice-3-5 branch (and in master, too). Script expected
"LibO-dev" and it received "LOdev". BTW there are at least two methods
implemented for download name creation, it is a bit confusing. :)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Call for LO-3.5.0-beta1 pre-tag testing

[Andras Timar]

2011/12/9 Pedro Lino :
>
> I uninstalled it sometime later and found all these leftovers
> http://db.tt/GbdTzk0y
>
You use your Windows with an administrator account. It is not
recommended, however I know that many people do this.  Therefore
LibreOffice can write into its own Program Files folder.

It is hard to remove files that were not installed by MSI. Not
impossible, but probably I won't spend time on that, because AFAIK
Windows 7 does not let this happen. I'm more interested in those
leftovers, if any, when you start LibreOffice with a non priviliged
user account.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

[Andras Timar]

Hi Pedro

2011/12/3 Pedro Lino :
> Hi Andras
>
> Thank you for your quick and enlightening reply!
>
>> LibreOffice 3.5 will not unpack anything to desktop. But we can't
>> change the past... :)
>
> Fair enough :)
>
>> You can check what's included and what's not, when you visit
>> for example 
>> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?qt=range&q=4f11d0a
>> Those magic numbers in About box are git commit IDs.
>
> Aha! I knew they meant something :) But that was the first block of
> characters from the About box. How do I know if that version is the
> same as e.g. master~2011-12-02_22.36.35_libodev35.exe???
>

We have 5 repositories now: core, binfilter, dictionaries, help, and
translations. Therefore there are 5 git commit IDs in the About box
separated by dashes. These are good identifiers of the build, at least
these uniquely identify the source code that the build was made from.
Of course the outcome of build  process depends on the configure
switches, too. Maybe we should hack something in like
about:buildconfig in Firefox.

When you see the full build log of
master~2011-12-02_22.36.35_libodev35.exe, you will see the git commit
IDs there, but I agree that it is hard to find.

>> It is not possible to bump a build number each time a build is
>> produced, because many people produce builds, not only one central
>> build server.
>
> Yes. That makes sense. But build or sub-build is bumped each there is
> a new commit, right? Can't this simply be a 7 digit number instead of
> 4f11d0a? Or increase the digit number to 10. Or parse it as blocks of
> 5 digits... Anything that a human brain can understand...
>
> And keep that same code in the build name, the about box, etc
>
> Please?

No, build numbers do not bump at each commit, they are bumped before
releases (beta, rc). 4f11d0a is the commit ID that git produces. It is
not in the source code.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

[Andras Timar]

Hi Pedro,

2011/12/3 Pedro Lino :
> Hi all
>
> This is my final request about this subject.
>
> Can you please make some sense out of the version naming convention?
>
> I was about to reinstall version 3.4.4 (after it was overwritten by
> 3.5.0 Beta0) and I already had an unpacked install folder on my
> desktop. The only way I could verify that it was for 3.4.4 final, was
> to run the installer and check what would be the name of the generated
> folder. Since it had the same code (4eb10e5c) it was the same
> version...
>

LibreOffice 3.5 will not unpack anything to desktop. But we can't
change the past... :)

> Another situation: I download a master build from a tinderbox. How do
> I know the build included? How do I know if the source it was
> generated from is newer or older than the one I already have? Easy.
> Just install, open the About box and check if 4f11d0a-adcf6d5-c4bb9bd
> is greater or smaller than 4f11d0a-adcf6d5-c4b29bd (just an example)

You can check what's included and what's not, when you visit
for example http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?qt=range&q=4f11d0a
Those magic numbers in About box are git commit IDs.

>
> If the latest final version was named 3.4.4 and build was 402 couldn't
> it simple be named 3.3.4.402?
>
> And this new version can't it be simply named 3.5.0.xxx???
>
> And keep this code constant in the installer, the about box, the
> master builds, etc?
>

It is not possible to bump a build number each time a build is
produced, because many people produce builds, not only one central
build server.
Released betas and RCs of course come from a single source (i.e. TDF)
so you will see their version form their file names.

Best regards,
Andras
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