Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jun-05
Present: Sahil, Rafael, Eyal, Aditya, John, Heiko Comments: Eike, Ady, Justin, Cor Tickets/Topics * basic HTML cell render + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161223 + by no means into the formula expression engine (Eike) + another formatting layer might be possible (Eike) + also not working to concatenate cell content with formatting (Heiko) + over-complicate things (Rafael) + could be realized per extension (Sahil) => WF * RecalcOptimalRowHeightMode should be effective for CSV imports also + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160983 + line-breaking characters should not be modified by the import process (Ady) + request is to make RecalcOptimalRowHeightMode available for every import, maybe with a third state that asks on input; but still for WF (Justin) + makes the import dialog overly complex, WF (Heiko) + probably not so rarely needed (Eyal, John) + if done as Ask it should not be a dialog (Eyal) + RecalcOptimalHeight was recently introduced with yes,no,ask and might be sufficient for the user (Rafael) + though it's not working as expected => NEEDINFO, likely WFM * UI - dashed outline for active cell border + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161204 + active cell/range indicator is meanwhile shown outside the cell (Ady) + change selection color or line style (eg. dashed with document color) depending on cell background on/off (Heiko) + clashes with marching ants on copy (Eyal) + cells with dashed borders would be another issue (Eyal) + Excel does two lines, one with the selection color and another in white or the cell background; sounds like a good solution (Rafael) + might be ugly as with do draw the focus rectangle only around the focused cell and the selection receives a background too; making the background smaller would be not so nice + merge selection color with the cell and/or document background (Heiko) => assign to Rafael * Support showing combinations of (named) style + direct formatting in Stylist + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161251 + do not overload simple controls (Cor) + show only on the flat tree like Applied Styles (Eyal) + inspired by MSO's Styles widget which optionally merges all information (PS, CF, DF) into the list (Eyal) + Styles Inspector does the same (Rafael), Styles Highlighter too (Heiko) + reasonable request; feature parity is always good (John) + MSO is not a good example for styling documents (Rafael) + low impact on usability possible, eg. per additional filter that shows applied styles + DF (Heiko) => comment OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-30
Present: Hossein, Sahil, Heiko Comments: Michael, Stuart, Eyal, Stephane Tickets/Topics * UNO Sidebar 'Hide' and 'Show' sidebar deck (splitwin) -- a new function (available for assigning a shortcut key to it) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161037 + switch/toggle tab with alt+ combinations (Michael) + provide a keyboard toggle for the splitwin to collapse (Stuart) + ctrl+f5 closes the sidebar, the close button (x) closes, the special sidebar button minimizes it + overly complex interaction, suggest to not change it (Heiko) + interaction is ambiguous, when the window width is smaller than the sidebar width, the sidebar disappears (Hossein, Sahil) => resolve NAB/WF * Special Find presets with regular expression + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161029 + sounds good but with limited features (Stuart) + good for an extension (Eyal) + https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/70066 + no room for presets, dropdown fills with previous searches (Heiko) + regex is complex and a few presets wont help (Hossein) + MS Word has a special dropdown to search for a couple of most often used special characters such as page break or soft hyphen => examples are rather suited for documentation * Provide framework to suppress editing with direct formatting of a styled document, or template + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153309 + must not force people into styles, WF (Dieter) + Tools > Protect > [x] Allow Direct Formatting (Heiko) + rather per-document/template method (Stuart) + however, we provide all means to hide DF interactions and disable it globally might feel broken (Heiko) + it's possible with MSO (Hossein) => go for it * Print dialog: Put initial focus to "Printer" combobox + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161082 + change the dialog landing to the "Printer" (Stuart) + keep at copies as this is more frequently changed (Heiko) + similar to MSO, move "number of copies" to the top (Hossein) + switching to the number of copies is easy done per alt+n (Heiko) => follow a11y * Add "Apply" button to all tabs of Table Properties dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160858 + sidebar/toolbar offer relevant functions (Stephane) + immediate feedback from the apply button is important (Sahil) + consistency is prime, Apply is available for styles but not direct formatting (Hossein) + rather remove the Apply buttons than adding to more dialogs (Hossein) => comment with recommendation to resolve WF OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-22
Present: Eyal, Sahil, John, Heiko Comments: Aron, Jan Tickets/Topics * When you select part of a column with merged cells, all columns that are part of the merged cell are selected + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158288 + NAB (Aron), + selection should denote/depict the merged cells (Eyal) vs. selection starts on top-left to bottom-right + we are Excel compatible, and actually even better (Heiko) + is a range-selection (not to confuse with multiple cells) meant to include all from x1 to y2; if so the behavior is correct + merged cells take actually the content from the top-left cell + copying of multi-selections is not possible + unclear use case, potentially impacting the workflow of many users (John) => comment with needinfo * Want MS-Word like auto-formatting of beginning of list item + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158874 + cool stuff (John) + could it be done via extension (Sahil) => do it * Form creating is too niche to merit a main menu item visible by default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161031 + rarely used; conditional logic tricky to maintain and test (Jan) + was done to align with other modules, IIRC (Heiko) + changing the main menu is a PITA for users, showing conditionally like "View > [ ] Show Forms Menu" and also "[ ] Show Shapes Menu" is possible but would be quite uncommon; = NAB/WF (Heiko) + no strong opinion (John, Sahil) => resolve WF to safe users from the annoyance of changing menus * FORMCONTROLS: Add ability to Find and Replace field names + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160938 + intention is to (batch) rename fields, which is not needed (Heiko) + finding controls might make sense for a huge number of items, which is not so likely; and the Navigator lists the content nicely plus will have different sort methods (Heiko, John) + being an ODF editor requires a place to find everything which is defined (Eyal) + F with RegEx works well and might be handy for object names in some cases (Eyal) => both points are valid, keep ticket OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-16
Present: Rafael, Sahil, Cor, Heiko, Hossein Comments: Stuart, Eyal, Ady Tickets/Topics * Add .uno:VRuler button to NB Tabbed/Tabbed Compact cutomize View list + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160694 + use main menu (Stuart) + suggest to split uno:Rulers into VRuler and HRuler and make the two individual settings in tools > options > view as well as a dropdown with both options in the tabbed NB (and the classic UI) (Rafael, Hossein) + If you click on the button, it enable/disable both. But it you choose dropdown, you should be able to select horizontal/vertical separately and check/uncheck them. + vertical ruler are rather a frequently changed option and don't deserve a main spot on the UI (Heiko) => majority for the dropdown solution * Quickfind sidebar: Make the sidebar the default for ctrl+F + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160544 + not replacement but supplement; unfinished and not appealing (Stuart, Eyal) + matter of how the state of the sidebar is preserved after using (Cor) + option to switch makes sense (Rafael, Cor) + unfinished, at least accessibility needs improvements (Rafael) => add the option but leave the current quickfind as default * Allow choosing the page style from the sheets tab + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160920 + simplifying not needed as this is an expert workflow (Stuart) + page style can be changed via status bar > page style dialog (Ady) + but not picked, which is the case in Writer (right click on status bar) (Cor) + Writer lists the available PgS per right click on the SB and allows to pick one; makes sense to add in Calc too (Rafael) + easy hackable (Sahil) + willing to look into this one (Cor) => do it * Right clicking on selected text unselects it if the cursor is on a misspelled word + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98902 + same workflow as LibO in MS Word (Hossein) + suggested selection of the misspelled word is superior (Hossein) + drawback is that we cannot check phrases anymore, or can we? (Heiko) + maybe ctrl + right click for spell checking (Sahil) + bug reporter was unhappy with Impress, which is wrong and WF (Rafael, Hossein) + but rather unhappy about the inconsistency, which is an issue (Sahil) + to remove the selection might be "surprising" to users and we could add some additional overlay color as MSO does (grey for select + red on hover for spellcheck issue) (Hossein) => needsDevAdvice OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-08
Present: Sahil, John, Hossein, Cor, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Stephane, Dieter Tickets/Topics * Major design changes ongoing for "Better handling for multiline tabs + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99528 * List images in order of document appearance in Calc Navigator + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160353 + at least four different sort orders: row first, col first, alphabetically, by insertion time (Heiko) + limited use case (John) + Navigator lists objects from all sheets making the sort order problematic (John) + maybe reported somewhere; unclear if users accept when the Navigator restricts objects to the current sheet => keep with low priority * Icons for promote / demote outline level should be improved + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158932 + clear depiction of the action (Stuart) + there are issues with RTL UI (Hossein) + dup at https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154523 + see also https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70102 => duplicate * Print multiple non-contiguous print ranges on a single page in LibreOffice Calc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160610 + prone to complications; (cumbersome) alternatives possible (Stephané) + hiding rows is possibly a proper workaround for the rare need (Cor) => suggest WF if there's no clear response * Print (or export) only tracked changes + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160497 + sidebar lists all TC (Dieter) + macro on ask.libo solves the use case (Heiko) + reasonable use case for some (Cor, John) + but macro is a good solution => resolve WF OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-02
Present: Sahil, Eyal, Cor, Heiko Comments: Seth, Stephane, Stuart, Jim Tickets/Topics * Rename "Navigation" toolbar to clarify its role, avoid confusion, and relate to "Recency" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160732 + "Position History" (Seth, Stuart, Jim, Eyal) + also in the Navigator dropdown (Stephane, Jim, Stuart) => no concerns, do it * Implement "recency" navigation for Calc module and make available from TB or Sidebar Navigator + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160505 + limit to named ranges, objects, etc. but not every cell (Heiko) + request does not seem to have a significant/compelling use case (Cor) + Can identify a reasonable use case, not sure about how frequently it's encountered. Would like to have heard more from Petros (Eyal) + no harm in having such a feature though => keep it with low priority * Column resize handle touch-target too small + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160324 + it is about 3-4 px and should be larger (Miguel, Michael, Eyal) + perhaps make it zoom dependent (Heiko) + wonder if the hit-area is dpi-dependent (Heiko) + might be problematic for hidden or small columns (Heiko) + we should test it (Cor) => give it a try * Offer to download & install missing fonts from online sources + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159950 + TDF cannot host non-free fonts, cloud-sharing might work (Stuart) + unclear what 'relevant online sources' means (Cor) + ideally to be done per extension, either storing content on the TDF site or as forward request (Heiko) + font management is rather up to the OS/DE; we may support this (Heiko) + extension is not least not the solution therefore since we would download the ttf/otf and execute the system's installer (Eyal) + repository should allow downloading of plain font to make easy installation possible (Eyal) + topic has been discussed extensively before, eg in tdf#78186, 91886, 113496, or 146291 (Heiko) + see also https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/10/21/dealing-with-missing-fonts/ => feature is definitely desirable and ideally become combined with a previously filed ticket OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-24
Present: Cor, Sahil, John, Ring, Heiko Comments: Stephane, Eyal, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Bullets and Numbering dialog in Writer does not say it's about an implicit list style + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160629 + list styles created and applied via toolbar are hard to identify as such in the B dialog + no label substitutes the need to learn how this works; we may drop all shortcuts and ease functions but the cost is too high (Heiko, Cor) => suggest WF * Want indication of whether a master slide is in use or not + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160403 + MSO Powerpoints shows the number of slides in a tooltip (Stephane) + additional boolean indication would be nice (Eyal) + tooltip sounds good and is not harmful (John) + not much useful since "Delete Master" is only available if the slide master is not in use (Cor) => no objection, low priority * When right-clicking a font family combo-box, offer font meta-data + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152487 + unclear use case and much likely off-topic being available in font management tools (Heiko) + info dialog sounds good but rather via special characters or in the character properties dialog (Stuart) + only use case is compatibility with some other font (John) + likely not part of the meta data + the Internet returns all search results (Cor) => idea does not find support; WF * Make possible 2 or more impress in fullscreen each on a dedicated monitor AND each seekable independently with user-defined hotkeys per each file + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160242 + start Impress twice (Stephane), workflow is supported with a third monitor (John) + too niche, better suited for an extension (Stephane, Sahil) => WF OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-18
Present: Hossein, Sahil, ring, Heiko Comments: Ady, Brian, Cor, Eyal, Rafael, Jeff, Stephane Tickets/Topics * Calc: default anchor everything to CELL + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160452 + change default needs to have good reasons (Heiko) + add option to define the default is over-engineering (Heiko) + behavior my have changed in the past (Hossein) => resolve WF; suggest to change the topic into "remember last setting" * When opening Advanced filter dialog the "From" field should be filled with the address of current selection + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150937 + reasonable request (Ady) + confusing label "Read Filter Criteria From" (Ady) + more common label is possible, eg. "Select Range" but unlikely to be more clear (Heiko) + prefilling data does not harm (Hossein, Heiko) => go for it * Using clone formatting enables scrolling with the mouse -- but it shouldn't + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99608 + "issue" happens only when moving slowly from top, where moving the cursor on top makes sense + smooth scrolling rather than to jump to a certain position could be a solution (Hossein) => suggest to duplicate with 46988 * Turn on "Range contains column labels" by default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150027 + different scenarios, requires more intelligent function (Brian) + remember last user choice for this option (Eyal) + controls got moved to the same tab for bug 131155 (Heiko) + option is checked if header-like data is detected (Cor) + apparently only on Windows, on Linux the last settings are remembered + the dialog has always stored the last settings, unclear report (Cor) => keep the smart functionality, resolve invalid * Add timer/clock to single-screen presentation + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160227 + makes sense (Rafael) + unclear why the timer needs to be shown for the audience + presenter console uses own class/control + neither available in Excel, feature would lack compatibility => resolve WF in favor of 3rd party extension/macro * Right-clicking to select an always-shown comment in Calc "clicks through" and selects the cell behind it + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160290 + to hide the object first requires additional clicks (Ady) + it's not necessary to hide the comment, one can move it easily (Sahil) + right click to select is not common interaction (Heiko) + respect the z-order (Jeff, Stephane, Heiko, Hossein) => do as requested OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-04
Present: Felix, Cor, Hossein, Rafael, Heiko
Comments: Mike, Regina, Bogdan, Timur, Cor, Stephane
Tickets/Topics
* "Page number" automatic field stops counting before last page if offset >0
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35694
+ help is clear on the function (Regina)
+ just a wording issue but rather introduce another field "page reference",
which would have the offset attribute (Mike, Regina)
+ comment 70 and 78 are wisdom; missing a good proposal (Cor)
+ compatibility is prime (Hossein)
+ neither prev/next nor offset are stored with docx
+ MSO offsets per field code like "{={PAGE}-10} of {={NUMPAGES}*20}"
showing "-9 of 80" (not stored as a field on saving as ODT)
+ offset for pagee count is via set variable > page + x (Heiko)
=> comment on ticket
* Replies to comment are in reverse order
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160350
+ chat-like order D, C, B, A (latest on top) vs. book style
A, B, C, D (latest at bottom) (Bogdan)
+ latest on top makes sense (Heiko)
+ current implementation shows comments on the place where they
are made, i.e. below the comment where one chooses: reply,
which makes sense to me (Cor)
+ all other applications do it book-like (Timur, Bogdan, Felix)
=> do it (consider an expert option)
* Add toolbar icons to change UI and scheme to switch Light/Dark
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160349
+ useful for tester and user (Rafael)
+ switching only tools > application colors via the new control (Rafael)
+ fixes fallout from bug 160445
+ strongly against adding rarely used functions to the primary UI,
options would also be hard-coded and not easy to remove later (Heiko)
+ MS has a "Switch Modes" option in the View ribbon (Hossein, Felix)
=> majority are for the option
* Pressing Tab with partially selected numbered paragraphs deletes content
instead of changing level
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160317
+ agree on the expectation (Stephane, Felix)
+ inconsistent with inserting a literal tab (Heiko)
+ compatibility is prime (Hossein)
+ tab overwrites in MSO; but tab on the first list item indents
the whole list anyway (only second increases the level we do)
+ literal tab is inserted on any position >0, ie. inside the text
+ otherwise the level for the whole selection is increased
+ always indent for selection over multiple paragraphs (Rafael, Felix)
+ current behavior depends on selection mode, ie. adding selection inserts
at the beginning while extend does on the end (Heiko)
=> majority agrees with the request
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Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-27
Present: Sahil, Antonio, Cor, Bogdan, John, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Stephane, Stuart, Timur Tickets/Topics * A11Y sidebar: Too many issue reports about direct character formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159906 + group by paragraph (+ 0.5 Stephane) + maybe list per paragraph under one root node (Heiko, Antonio) + offer an action button (+1 Stephane, Heiko, -1 Stuart) + action is not necessarily to remove DF; could also be "Dismiss" (Cor) + could be a more complex UI with more interactions, filters, batch operations etc. (Sahil, Antonio) + could be done in a later patch (Cor) => let's go with the extra tree node per paragraph and maybe page too and no action button for now * Add all 3 Spotlight commands (PS, CS, DF) to Style Inspector + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160194 + maybe per icon-only toggle button (Stephane) + agree with the proposal as it matches the workflow (Stuart) + clutters the UI and is not in scope of the workflow (Heiko) + it's not uncommon to have those buttons in the UIs (Cor, John) + neither a big improvement nor a huge impact on UX (John) + customization is sufficient (Antonio) => let's do it * Use "Delete unused master slides" independently from "Minimize Presentation" tool + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159860 + warn in case of an excessive number of master slides + rather fix bug 158773 than alert user on some high number (Heiko) + MSO is loading quickly but still warns (Timur) + warning could offer to delete unused master slides (Antonio) + warning should happen on load; covers also issues with import from other applications (Antonio) + realize per infobar to not block the workflow (user may click away the confirmation box), OTOH depending on severity it should interrupt + label could be "You have an unreasonable number of unused slide master. [Clean Up] [x]" (Heiko) + hesitate to delete a lot of content with just a click, so - suggest a confirmation dialog when pressing cleanup (Eyal) + add a button "Inspect" to the infobar (Cor) + strongly disagree with different actions on the infobar (Heiko) + add Help button to educate the user (Antonio) => do so * MRU Recent files list entries numbered, no need to be + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160230 + number seems to be useless (Bogdan) + actual date/time like MSO makes more sense (John) + handy for a11y resp. keyboard only access (Stuart,Antonio) + Alt+F + U + 1 opens the latest pinned item, for example + numbers above 10 take the first character from the filename + number indicates the recency (Eyal) + mnemonics inside the filename are hard to spot (Cor) + alternatively we could go with alphanumeric characters A..Z (Sahil) + this would require using different alphabeta in different localized UIs (Eyal) => no good argument to remove the numbers -> WF OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-21
Present: Sahil, Andres, Rhesa, Heiko Comments: Miguel, Ady, Eyal, Cor, Csongor, Eike, Laszlo Tickets/Topics * Hidden columns should not prevent text from preceding columns from overflowing over their cells + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160011 + potentially breaks current workflow (Miguel) + could be done as (compatibility) flag (Ady) + afraid of performance issues (Ady) + support the request (Eyal, Cor, Sahil) + make it the default, and revert optionally (Sahil) + might be not so easy to find as compatibility flag but clutters the lengthy list of options under view on the other hand (Heiko) => do it * FORMATTING create a means to represent an integer as an IP Address + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148184 + implement per function (Csongor) + solutions are spread over the Internet, https://superuser.com/questions/1764387/how-do-i-convert-an-ip-address-to-binary-representation-in-excel + https://www.browserling.com/tools/ip-to-dec + already have some number formatting types and another one would fit well (Eyal) + not simply one for all option considering IPv4/v6 (Heiko) + has a solution, if needed we should invest in the user-defined formatting (Sahil, Heiko) => resolve WF * AutoCorrect: Many symbol replacements should be defined for [All], not language-by-language, and work in [None] + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153979 + extras/source/autocorr/*/DocumentList.xml entirely controlled by the local community (Heiko) + [None] means _no language tool processing at all_, [All] should be processed in all languages except [None] (Eike) + [All] would be useful, but only for a dozen of the replacements, but by moving we can lose educating the users (Laszlo) + adding a button to show only the items added by the user optionally (Laszlo) + adding some replacement to the [ALL] category makes it effective for paragraphs with language = None but not en_US, for example; apparently it's working for empty lists but not if the lang list has some content + if [All] items would be effective, users wont see those in their language depending list (Heiko) + if [All] has the same content as the actual language list it's unclear which one is used (eg. [All] --> = -> vs. [Hebrew] --> = <-) (Sahil) => remove [All] from the dropdown menu (at this tab), and make [None] none (Heiko) * personal / custom dictionaries should be easily portable + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157981 + allow a dictionary to be saved as /.dic (Cor) + placing a dictionary (*.dic/aff) in some folder which is added via options > path to the dictionary locations does not make it available as writing aid; apparently it needs some registration + export/import could be a nice task for a macro (Heiko) + it's a generic use case for the majority of users and adding this to the core makes sense (Sahil) + if so, we could add export/import buttons to the options dialog (Heiko) => comment OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-13
Present: Sahil, Rafel, (John), Nameless, Heiko Comments: Bob, Cor, Mike, Eyal Tickets/Topics * Cannot resize graphical objects that overlap header/footer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159543 + change drag handles (Bob, Cor) + UI should give proper feedback (Sahil) + could be done by disabling the vertical and diagonal resize capability (which hides the size cursor then) + people may complain handles disappear; suggest NAB/WF (Rafael) + rather than hiding the handles we should block resizing before drag happens so the lower edge remains at the bottom (Rafael) + looks like a bug to me; suggest to show an infobar when the mouse is released but resize not accepted (Sahil) + infobar is disruptive here (Rafael) + change the drag frame color if the new size is not accepted/possible (Rafael) => do this * Changing Macro Security level should warn about the need to reload the file to apply the settings + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159985 + Reload in the background for all documents is not possible since changes may have been made (Mike) + show infobar requesting the user to reload (Eyal) + show a label in the macros security option dialog (Rafael, Sahil) + could also be the restart now confirmation box (Heiko) => majority votes for the label * close all (documents / windows) Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159380 + add new command but just for customization (Eyal, Rafael) + quit and restart (Cor) + close documents from all modules (Heiko) + alternatively show the start center while modules are open + closing all documents becomes more important if we have a tabbed UI (Sahil) => comment * Add max shrink and space width customization options to upcoming smart justification feature + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159923 + as a compatibility feature any customization would deviate from DOCX (Heiko, Rafael, Nameless) + control on the paragraph level makes sense (Mike) + over-engineering is seldom good usability; no use case and no user request (yet) (Heiko) => resolve WF OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Digression from [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-07
On 08.03.24 17:08, paul hofseth wrote: I repeat my resultless calling for concentration on overall function without crashing, rather than on small improvements to appearance and efficiency of use. We are many volunteers and not everyone is able to fix bugs. And I miss links to your bugreports where you have added the test documents. please do create a "life vest"- rescue button mode: which will enable users to copy existing text while waiting to shut it down...Ticket or nothing happened :-). But your idea sounds not like a solution but rather a and-aid. Besides, OpenOffice is ancient software with a lot of security holes. Perhaps you find something appropriate in our archive at https://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/ Cross-posting to mailing lists is not recommended. Just the QA list would have been enough - but Bugzilla is the better place to share issues and ideas anyway. OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-07
Present: Cor, Sahil, Felix, Rafael, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Stephane, Ady, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Auto-size the "Search Results" dialog (after a find & replace across multiple sheets) to avoid scrolling + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157207 + use ellipsis too (Stephane) + emphasizing the text that is explicitly being searched (Ady) + bug 157227 + agree with the request to use more of the display (Stuart) + wrapping might be another idea (Rafael) + rather not because makes reading more difficult (Sahil) + ellipsis at start and end to bring the search term into the view (Felix) + simple solution covers most cases (and can be done as easyhack) (Cor) + ellipsis hinders reading the text, eg. if the search term is near end (Cor) + dialog is good as it, width should be adjusted carefully (Hossein) + With various scaling factors (2x, 3x, etc.) and different DPIs (HiDPI) these days, the issue of too big / too small dialogs and the need to add scrolling can also be seen elsewhere (Hossein) => resize the dialog if the content takes more space but only up to a reasonable width * CALC UI: Menu item "View headers" in menu "View" named wrong + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159738 + changed because of the Notebookbar a) have a dedicated NotebookbarLabel b) change back and accept the longer label + or hide the View Header command in the NB variant c) change the UI label to "View Headers" d) accept the situation, ie. NAB/WF + a) sounds good but c) could be a quick solution here (Rafael) + probably with some tooltip (Heiko) + a) is okay but prefer d) rather than c) (Cor) + nitpicking anyway; tooltip is good (Rafael) + icon on the command would be nice (Felix) => add a tooltip "Toggle row/column header on/off" to command and the tools > options dialog * UI: A button to expand the animation picker dialog to dedicated dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145038 + icons may help, even in the current form, in sidebar (Hossein) + icon view like at the transition deck sounds good (Rafael) + dedicated dialog needed for notebookbar-only variants (Sahil) + on the long run we should add some styles-like widget for animations as known from MSO (Hossein) => comment * Reworking of dialogues Organize macros (make from 5 existing only one) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120658 + Issue is worse than that considering Python, and APSO (Hossein) + Most things (editing, etc.) are not usable for Python, even with 5 dialogs (Hossein) + Every change should have in mind that it is about macro programming in general, and not only BASIC scripting (Hossein) + unified dialogs are not always easier to use (Cor) + suggested proposal is difficult to implement and suspect a lot of side effects (Rafael) + APSO is the way to go for Python at least (Rafael, Hossein) => comment OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-28
Present: Sahil, John, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Ady, Mike, Rainer, Timur, Stuart, Tomaz Tickets/Topics * Lowercase "a" and uppercase "A" wrongly shows as one "a" in Autofilter dropdown + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159737 + AutoFilter follows the setting in the Standard Filter (Ady) + a) WF/NAB, b) description, c) configuration (Mike) + not so clear whether case-sensitivity works (Rainer) + would expect case-sensitivity (John) + users might be not aware of uppercase character/word if we hide it; rather let the user uncheck (Heiko) + all options better go to the full filter dialog (Sahil) + Excel shows items case-sensitive (John) + make it independent from standard filter option (Heiko) => comment * UI: Cell protection dialog reference menu that don't exist + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159748 + remove this part from the string (Heiko, Timur) + menu does exists; against changing the string (Ady, Stuart) + point to the help page (Tomaz) + against this hint to "use the help content" (Ady) + link to the appropriate help pages is reasonable (Stuart) + idea was probably to have a hyperlink in the string + alternatively change the label depending on the UI mode, or amend the existing text with the Notebookbar solution (Eyal) + sheet/cell protection is not for beginners and we can expect users to learn the function (Sahil) => preferably use a more generic description * Manage changes dialog should allow action on all filtered changes + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115515 + WFM/INV, at least from the sidebar (Heiko) => resolve ticket * Consistent polygon tool behavior in Draw + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131758 + (1) how to finish the input: easy to miss and hard to undo (Eyal) + perhaps have some interaction to undo the last point + edit points allow to remove unwanted + (2) finishing methods: MSO ends polygon as well per double-click but also on escape + (3) close a polyline: by ctrl+click? in any case up to documentation + (4) how to enter PolyPoly-mode: same answer as above + (5) Is it really intended... obviously no user has joined the discussion + users tend to accept shortcomings and we might do better (Eyal) + would rather think of a list that takes all points and allows to edit independently from the interaction method (Heiko) + giving a hint on the interaction at the command label? not so good (John) + any change needs to be a convincing improvement (Eyal) + Inkscape behavior is similar to our workflow => comment OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-22
Present: Sahil, Hossein, Heiko Tickets/Topics * STATUSBAR: Making the statusbar configurable in Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92406 + tools > customize sounds like over-engineering, we should rather do something like toolbar > visible button on/off (Heiko) + would be cool to have the priority available, perhaps more fine-grained (Sahil) + statusbar should be available for extensions (Sahil) + if it is possible to add commands to the statusbar such enhancement (if not possible out of the box) would be granted (Heiko) => comment * Simplified options dialogs + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90989 + name, icons, interface, colors, ui lang, locale, and recovery should be sufficient (Heiko) + RTL/CTL/CJK is important (Hossein) but should follow the locale (Heiko), and if a more complex setup is needed the advanced mode is a click away + could be done conditionally depending on locale setting (Sahil) + more tabs might be required in future (Hossein); possibly easier to use than a scrolling window (Sahil) + as long the options fit on one page, which should be the goal for a simple dialog, no need to discuss this (Heiko) => waiting for volunteers OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-14
Present: Sahil, Rafael, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Jean-Francois, Eyal, Stephané, Ady Tickets/Topics * Freeze Zoom as a global LibreOffice preference + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159156 + assigning +0 to .uno:Zoom100Percent as fixed shortcut (Stuart) + though must not touch Ctrl+0 in Writer (Jean-Francois) + ignore zoom-in/-out via keyboard or lock zoom (Eyal) + could be an option "[ ] No zoom per touch pad" (Rafael) => add the option (perhaps macOS only) * Comment commands in Calc's menus need to be rearranged + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158653 + split of comment-related commands is not ideal (Stephané) + yet done intentionally for bug 91820 + not convinced that changing the menus is the best path forward, it's basically grouping by action vs object (Ady) + other applications go with action-focused menus too (Hossein) + no better place for comments than under Sheet (Heiko) + when coming from the Notebookbar it feels wrong (Rafael) => resolve NAB/WF * Dialog Properties bigger then screen + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159409 + not confirmed, dialog is ~637px in height on win (Stuart) + but there is a duplicate report; and report is from gtk3 + reduce the number of lines for the comments textbox (Hossein) + turning the wall of inputs into two columns (Rafael) + has the challenge to cover long labels (Heiko) + long term solution: add some mechanism to VCL/weld that restricts oversized dialogs and automatically adds scrolling (Hossein) => do it * Page direction not the same as sheet direction + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158601 + recent bug reports have proven that users do not agree (Ady) + if the request is to bind the UI-only setting Sheet > RTL to Page Style > Text Direction (the superordinate setting of the text direction in cells) the recommendation is to rather not do + Excel knows a "context" option for the cell direction meaning if the entered text is RTL the cell becomes RTL (Hossein) + The context option will handle the use case automatically, and also handles the situation with bilingual cells (Hossein) + problem accepted, solution rejected = WF OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-31
Present: Sahil, JJ, John, Eyal, Rafael, Heiko Comments: Jan, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Autocorrect options are very confusing and difficult to use + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158876 + renaming some options might be beneficial (Jan) + Separate the list into two lists, textual replacements/corrections, and formatting/structural element (Eyal) + everything is formatting and replacement (Heiko) + splitting should support the perception (Eyal) + Change phrasing, eg "Replace dashes" could become "Replace dash sequence with En-Dash or Em-Dash" (Eyal) + sure but the function is more complex and requires the documentation + distinction would be artificial and orthogonal to the M/T option; rather than renaming we could add tooltips (Heiko) + tooltips could be a help (Heiko) + sounds good (Eyal) + requires coding though => comment and recommend to not change the list => renaming is good; AI Eyal: provide a complete list of better labels * Non-corrective Autoformat settings can't just be placed under AutoCorrect + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158877 + unclear request (John, Heiko) + formatting such as *bold* or apply styles is not really a correction (Eyal) + no good alternative, maybe "auto correction/formatting" + wonder if changing the semantics improve usability (John) + camel case label is bad; but familiar to users (Heiko) + no apparent issue; all auto-corrections are also formatting too (Heiko) => resolve NAB without better alternative * Use Noto family fonts as default fonts for all the LibreOffice tools + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159261 + Noto Sans is being used for Impress templates (Stuart) + smalls like personal preference; against Google fonts in principle (Eyal) + rather add metric compatible fonts for latest MSO (John) + to open legacy document with the same layout after years is our self-identity; which is not the discussion here since we would change the fonts for new documents (Heiko) + Liberation fonts is our trademark; and it's easy to change; not worth the effort (Rafael) + a lot of effort to make the QA tests happy (Heiko) + such a change should have much more backup (Eyal) => WF * provide easy UI to automatically apply digital signature when storing documents + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159040 + checkbox "[ ] Sign document" at the Save/As dialog; clumsy solution but maybe easy to use (Heiko) + similar workflow but signing comes before saving (Eyal) + alternative is to have a default signature defined in tools > options > security and just the option to apply or not; needs some interaction to change the default, maybe via the current workflow (Eyal) => comment * It would be nice to have an exclude file type option from Recent Files + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159277 + exclude per module using a string like "csv;xml;tab" (similar solution available in IDEs, for example) + MRU is a simple and established paradigm; WF (Jan) + very specific workflow (Eyal) + use CSV a lot and want to see it (Rafael) + solve per extension that clears the MRU list on startup (Heiko) + better keep the ticket, maybe as easyhack, with low priority (Eyal, Rafael) => go for it OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-25
Present: Sahil, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Mike, Ady, Rafael Tickets/Topics * Remove status bar 'document modified' indicator + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159073 + status not shown in title for new documents (Eyal) + title does not show the status (anymore?) but the save icon + redundant information is not bad per se, the toolbar button is primarily meant to run an action but not to give feedback (users may not expect it there) + with the Notebookbar UI it's not guaranteed to see the toolbar info + and the statusbar icon looks pretty nice => WF * Comment indicator in Calc should be red, not magenta + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159096 + border uses now the grid line color (Heiko) + red would be a bad choice as it typically indicates errors (Mike) + yellow and red might be used for cell background (Ady) + orange (Rafael) + invert the cell background color (Ryal) + looses the customizability and becomes difficult on mid-bright colors + do it just when the picked color is close to the cell background + algorithm is tricky, and variable colors make the display busy + Magenta (a bit less glossy) is used on Excel + Light Magenta 3 is a bit too close with "Bad" cell style, Light Magenta 2 is fine (Eyal, Sahil) + works also well in dark mode => change the color * Double click on a comment in Navigator should open the cell for editing + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158707 + in 7.4 double click goes to cell + in 7.6 single click selects, double executes the default action- in this case go-to plus editing the comment + a) edit comment, cursor at the end?, b) edit cell, cursor at the end?, c) just go-to and toggle the comment visibility, d) just go-to cell + in most cases the comment text should be readable in the Navigator and double-click is likely intended to edit the comment (all) + expect double-click to toggle show/hide; directly going into edit mode feels dangerous but just showing makes editing difficult (ctrl+alt+c) and my muscle memory is F2 to edit; so ideally we select the comment frame in order to use F2 (all) + single click does not change the view but shows this comment temporarily (until clicking somewhere else), double-click navigates to the cell, make the comment permanently visible, and double-click again hides it; when showing the comment per double-click also selects the comment for easy accessed to edit (Eyal) + double-click surely should not edit the cell content (Eyal) + comments disappear unreliably (Sahil) + having comments in a dedicated sidebar allows more flexible solutions (Sahil) => comment in ticket * When search key is not found, search text seems to be selected but is not + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158742 + behavior has changed but still no selection is being made + changing the search term partially is more likely, ie. selection in order to overwrite completely is not intended (Heiko) + ctrl+f selects the search text in any case (Heiko) + clearly NAB/WF (Eyal) => resolve ticket OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-17
Present: Sahil, Cor, Hossein, John, Heiko Comments: Eike, Mike, Stephané Tickets/Topics * Styles deck: actually hide hidden leaf styles in Hierarchical view + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158791 + only do the greyed-out thing when the style has children but hide the style completely when it’s a leaf + alternatively clean-up the styles list + some styles are used for wizards, high levels could be hidden, but in the end not much benefit (Cor, Heiko) + wouldn't hide conditionally (Heiko) + users might be not aware of hidden styles (Cor) + Stylist has plenty of filters to adjust the view (Heiko) + don't make it even more harder to use (Hossein) => WF * Let users select multiple toolbars at once to view or hide + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158880 + integrate the toolbars list in the "User Interface" dialog (Heiko) + View > Toolbars is familiar to most users; advanced prototype could be Mozilla's (eg Firefox) edit mode (Hossein) + agree if the dialog would be additional to the menu, otherwise against (Cor) + accelerator keys are a quick way to access the menu items (Cor) + integrating into a dialog might be beneficial, a bit unclear if toolbars belong to the User Interface dialog (John) => copy the toolbar options to the UI dialog * Conditional Formatting gets overwritten + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158724 + allow fine-tuning of protection with "[ ] Edit values" and "[ ] Format cells" so one can protect the sheet more specifically (Heiko) + unclear option, difficult to implement; rather add an extra function that blocks formatting independently from protection (Eike) + another idea: allow customization of paste per document so paste behaves like paste special > values only, or else (Heiko) + Excel shows a small widget to give a clue on alternative options, but behaves like LibreOffice (Hossein) + Warn (with option to not show again) if formatting is being overwritten (Cor) => comment * "Macros disabled" show a button "Show macros" which does not make sense + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158600 + reasonable for "High"+ security (Mike) + keep the ability to quickly take a peek in the macro; and rather add some button [Execute anyway] (Heiko) + most users don't understand Basic and allowing the see/edit lowers the security (Hossein) + keep the Show Macro button, ie. WF (Cor) + not a big deal to have a shortcut to see/edit the button (John) + users may miss an action if the infobar does not provide any button (Hossein) => comment, in favor of WF * text file format dialogue on save -- ODF file format? + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158624 + some benefit in using the term that users will be more familiar with, eg "Save as ODF" for Writer or "Save as ODS" for Calc (Stephané) + all are ODF anyway and most users are not familiar with file extensions either (Heiko) + change sounds good to me (John, Hossein, Sahil) + might have been changed a while again, will check (Hossein) + could be better to add the extension in the text like "This document may ... file format “Rich Text (*.rtf)”. Use the default ODF file format (*.odt) to be sure that the document is saved correctly."; with *.odt/ *.ods/*.odp etc. depending on the module (Hossein) => ask dev mentor to make it an easyhack OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-11
Present: Sahil, Hossein, Rafael, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Cor, Stephané, Miklos, Cor, Ady, Stephane Tickets/Topics * Implement a simple calculation of values to input size and position of draw objects + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158685 + eg. "3+3,2" => "6,2" + Kind of a stretch for *needing* to do the simple calculations (Stuart) + could be useful for more complex stuff like "pi()/4 * 1.2345" or "sqr(sin(2)/cos(3)); similar to bug 72662 about the unit conversion (Heiko) + doubt if it is wise to start walking this path (Cor) + sounds useful (Sahil) + slash might be used as a number separator in some locales and one cannot be sure it is a divider (Hossein) + many tools provide the functionality anyway (eg. KRunner on Linux/KDE but also the search bar on Windows start a calculator) (Hossein) + very simple calculation wouldn't be enough anyway (Hossein) => WF * Move rows with protected cells does not give warning + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158682 + agree that a message is needed (Stephané), but depending on the case + "Source contents not removed because cells are protected." + "Contents were copied but not removed because cells are protected" + "Protected cells can not be modified." (the stock message) + dragging of protected cells is not possible anyway + message box interrupts the workflow and we could also just block the drag feedback + however, paste is not available via menu/toolbar and the keyboard allows to quickly confirm (Heiko) + Agree, a similar message is useful (Hossein) + one message should be fine (Hossein) + "Protected cells cannot be dragged" + stock message is fine (Hossein) + don't change the cursor if DnD is not possible (Sahil) + could also be a blocking cursor symbol (Hossein) => show the stock message and consider the drag cursor * Original size button in image properties -> position and size tab doesn't restore original size for paper size exceeding images in Writer (and breaks image ratio) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158545 + rename to "Reset dimensions" (Telesto) + Word uses just "Reset" + Reason for restricting object size to page size is consistency; Writer defaults to capturing drawing objects inside the page frame (Miklos) + MSO365 allows scaling beyond the page and cuts off the extra part + seldom need for sizing beyond the page (Cor) + sizing the image beyond the page is desirable (Rafael, Hossein) + Word allows this but not to move the image out of the page + simply "Reset" and a tooltip with "Resets width and height to the original size, unless limited by the page size) + show original size as static text like in the compress dialog before the Reset button to make the function more clear (Hossein) + also keep the ratio in all cases => rename, add static size info, and fix the ratio bug * Better design for the Keep Ratio setting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158531 + not much benefit (Heiko) + go with a small button like in the sidebar (Rafael) + would be a toolbutton taking a lot of vertical space and + we cannot draw the connector arrows (Heiko) + what was the inspiration (Hossein) + GIMP has these buttons, for example + consistency is prime and we use typically checkboxes (Sahil) => go ahead (+2/0/-1); easy to revert * Comemnt marker makes it difficult to see the data in a cell + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158958 + UNO command to toggle indicator on/off quickly (Stuart) + against a user-defined symbol, to revert the patch, and some default margin to make space for the symbol (Heiko) + open to UNO command to toggle the indicator on/off, a less obtrusive default color, different position for the indicator (Heiko) + suggest to add an expert options to control the dynamic size and another to disable the dynamic size (Heiko, Rafael) + use a different default color (Rafael) + is being discussed on bug 159096; maybe orange (Rafael) + make the default a bit smaller (Rafael, Heiko) + ideally do the best per code without option but if needed make it as simple as possible; option is good for now (Hossein) + good default make configuration unnecessary (at least the UI), use grid color and move the indicator to the edge (Rafael) + propose an expert value and use <=0 for dynamic size and everything else as static value (Heiko) + change is needed (Ady), expert option sounds good (Cor, Stephane) => go with the expert options OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-20
On 21.12.23 20:05, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: "LibreOffice unexpectedly and strangely modifies an ODT file without they user having done anything, and embedding unnecessary fonts nobody asked it to." Sounds like another facet of the font embedding. I would treat bug 158588 about what fonts are embedded (CTL/CJK/Lat and used) and handle the situation of shared documents on another. I haven't tested what happens when one checks the embed fonts option and shares this document with another person. Assuming her fonts would also be included, silently, this is at least a privacy issue. OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-20
Present: Sahil, Rafael, John, Heiko Comments: Dieter, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Redesign font embedding options in sfx2/uiconfig/ui/documentfontspage.ui + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158588 + improve help (Dieter, bug 130185) + dummy text with no embedded font = 28k, with all options on = 22000k with "only used" 927k, with all but limited to latin = 1800k + disable CTL & CJK depending on options and + check by default and disable the "Only used fonts" unless the first option "Embed fonts" is activated (Heiko) + if the document contains and CTL/CJK font it would be pointless to exclude them when saving used fonts only; and the other option makes not much sense alone (Rafael) + font scripts options needs a dev check => do it * FORMCONTROLS Enhancement: Fill Cell with Text Box in Calc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158273 + check/enable anchor to cell (resize with cell) and fit to cell size by default (Heiko) + changing this makes users needy and they may ask for better chart positioning, for example; how about a dedicated command to achieve the goal (Rafael) + could also be done per macro (Sahil) + goal was here to insert/manipulate many form controls; the workflow with copy/paste is tedious as cursor down or enter does not behave like at normal cells; which could be changed (Heiko) => comment * Incorrectly export number 0 form calc to PDF + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158533 + option to show/include zero is on by default and one has to disable it intentionally + same behavior on Excel + dependency to some archived PDF format is unclear => ask the ESC * New sidebar deck for comments + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106316 + splitter to expand the comments margin (Jim) + comments in margin is sufficient for ordinary users (John) + vertical space in margin is not enough for academia; management is missing, eg. to find unresolved comments (Rafael) + sidebar has limited vertical space + but allows the list being unsynchronized ie. many comments on one single page overlapping each other + requirements: add filter by status, eg. resolved no urgent need for the procrastination option "hide temporarily" + mockup design: take the Onlyoffice example https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=191371; sort is missing; referenced text should be visible in the sidebar pane + enhancements: predefined responses? might be useful for some (Rafael), but should be done resp. the list filled by users (Sahil) + replace the comments in margin or amends it (John) => improve the mockup and ask the community in a blog post OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-14
Present: Sahil, Heiko Comments: Mike, Ady, RGB Tickets/Topics * copy rules from Manage < Conditional Formatting (to apply it to a different range instead of extending it) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158187 + proposal is to copy the previous CF line + guess we could just always insert the same content (Heiko) + not all in all cases the CF should auto merge (Mike) + would prefer the MSO solution of paste special with adjustment of the range (Heiko) + rather add some advanced merge functionality (Ady) => comment * UI Can't trust Font feedback field + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158261 + selecting all on Windows with Georgia being available does not lead to the same issue as on Linux without the font + we should treat this as a bug; the replacement must not mess up with the font family (Sahil) + Installing Georgia didn't change anything (Sahil) => fix it * Cross-reference dialogue in Sidebar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87078 + drag'n drop as recommended in bug 36310 (RGB) + drag items from the Navigator yet do not insert a hyperlink as of today but show a menu with "Page number | Chapter | Reference text || Hyperlink" => do it OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-06
Present: Cor, Sahil, Kushi, John, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Sophie, Roman, Regina Tickets/Topics * The term "Field Shadings" is confusing + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158291 + rename to "Spotlight Fields" (Tomas) or "Field Indicators" (Adolfo) + shading is used on some other places too such as ToC, and no good alternative anyway (Cor) + "Field Highlighting" - but not necessary (Sahil) + MS Word knows the term "Character Shading" (Heiko) + no native speaker joined the discussion (Heiko) => resolve NAB/WF * "Formattings" should be used instead of "Formats" in some cases + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158290 + eg. "Conditional Formattings"? + distinction is rather technical, against the effort (Stuart) + up for translators to find the right term (Sophie) + term is used as such in MS Excel (Heiko) => resolve WF/NAB * Automatic scaling of icons for navigation bar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158394 + possible and likely workflow is to start in window mode and maximize this window; requires to adjust dynamically (Cor) + low importance (Roman) => ideally implement option 2) * No way to use correct left/right page style automatically depending on the first page number + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148245 + use case unclear (Heiko), rather very unlikely (Cor) + page number can have any offset + proposal for solution submitted (Regina) => AI Heiko: read the comments carefully => NEEDINFO ... as in: what does Mike think about how often the scenario happens.. OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-30
Present: Sahil, Hossein, Bogdan, Heiko Comments: Charles, John, Stuart, Miklos, Samuel Tickets/Topics * Autofilter enables deselect items automatically when typing a search + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133836 + Patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/159737 + change All into All Selected (downside is an additional click) + add checkbox "[x] Auto Select" (downside is a more heavy UI) + consider experienced users who expect current behavior (Ady) + check other tools too (Hossein) + combining searches is only possible with the new functionality (Bogdan) => comment on BZ * The term "Track changes" is being used ungrammatically + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158289 + "Record Track Changes" vs "Record Tracked Changes" or "Record Change Tracking" + "Change Tracking", and better under tools (Charles, John) + term is used by MSO, not worth the effort (Stuart, Heiko) + MS Word uses "Track changes" Google Docs: "review suggested edits" (Miklos) + "Track Changes" sounds good to me, "Manage Change Tracking" for example, or "Previous Change Tracking" (Sahil) + some effort to implement => WF * Forced to pick from the existing Impress templates - need to ad a Light and a Dark template + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155609 + possible if background is transparent via Tools > Color > Light/Dark (Bogdan, Heiko) + still some ambiguity since probably light background is expected on export (Hossein) + and we ship some dark templates such as Portfolio => WFM * Copy SVG Code Directly into LibreOffice to Render Pictures + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41119 + Insert > From Clipboard or Paste Special > As Text + why copy/paste the code when you can have the full image; better suited for an extension (Samuel) + add function similar to "Import MathML from Clipboard" (Regina) + allows to tweak and inspect the SVG code (Stuart) + wonder what happens when one pastes just a part on top of an existing image, -1/WF (Heiko, Hossein) + if editing when pasting complex content is the natural next step, would we also allow to modify ODF or HTML data (Hossein) + Pasting without editing would be meaningless, and those together requires big effort (Hossein) + not much interest in this feature over the years => resolve WF * Shapes-via-Gallery is problematic & partially redundant with the Shapes sub-toolbars and sidebar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158253 + no point in changing the Gallery (Stuart) + the Gallery is a place for various content being sorted currently by tasks mostly; if we remove the line drawings, for example, it might become more polished but we loose functionality; nevertheless some items might be worth to challenge (Heiko) + categorization is in fact not perfect but providing improvements to the Gallery is beyond one ticket (Hossein) + not a fan of removing content rather better categorization (Hossein) => ticket not actionable => WF OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-22
Present: Maija, Sahil, Julia, Eyal, John, Cor, Heiko Comments: LeroyG, Mike, Ady, Rafael, Werner, Tomaz, Csongor Tickets/Topics * Conducting a survey around LibreOffice + How often would you accept a nag screen? + Would you appreciate a welcome screen with some initial questions? + ... + to bring the results into something actionable is challenging but expected by the participants (Cor) * Inconsistent behavior of "New style from selection" in Styles list and Styles menu + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151563 + works as expected in the Stylist but not anywhere else + add the "paragraph" to the string, at least (LeroyG) + alternative commands for every individual style (Mike) + not obvious that the command uno:StyleNewByExample is needed in menu/toolbar/shortcut (Eyal) + not so important (Cor, John) + drop customizability and access in the UI except the Stylist (Heiko) + drawback is that one needs to activate the Stylist + extra UNO commands would be needed for the Notebookbars too (John) + change just the title for now (Cor, Eyal) + PS can be added by directly adding the name to the styles toolbar control and we could provide an analogue control for CS (Cor) => change command title * add UNO command for Hidden font effect of characters in Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158168 + easy to customize via user-defined character style (Heiko) + disagree since it means to multiply CS (Eyal) + suggest to add it as DF (Eyal, John) + depending on the use case it be necessary to add the attribute on top of any format; example workflow is to have words in different language next to each other and hide one or the other (Cor) + but tend to agree with WF/NAB (Cor) => add UNO command (but dont show on the UI by default) * Sidebar pane shortcuts conflict with Alt+NumPad input + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158112 + alt+num code is used to insert characters not on the keyboard (Ady) + make it depending on the OS/DE (Eyal) + use alt+shift+ (Heiko) + Acceptable (Eyal) + remove shortcuts, or make it so users can customize it + no so good (Eyal) + involve a11y into the discussion (Eyal) + ctrl+alt+ is available for customization! => comment * Add 'shuffle' or 'random' option to 'Sort' dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158196 + functionality not available in Excel too + agree to the need for UNO command to shuffling cell range, rows, columns (Rafael) + better suited for Sheet > Fill Cells (Werner) + definitely not (Tomaz) + frequently needed; best suited for the sort dialog as another option after ascending/descending (Csongor) + wonder if randomization needs to have a start value to get the same result repeatedly (Eyal) + should not (Cor) + expect it as extra command under Data among Sort (John) + bloats the dialog (Cor) + would rather like to see it in the dialog; would be more visible (Eyal) + hard to wrap the mind around sort first by col A, the by random B, and finally by C (Heiko) => UNO command might be the best choice OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-16
Present: Hossein, Sahil, Heiko Comments: Miguel, Regina, Cor Tickets/Topics * No hotkey to apply cloned formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156404 + ticket was set to fixed by removing the customizability for the UNO command + Clone formatting is a complex interaction with single click to apply once and double to apply until escaped; this complexity cannot put into a command (but could be done in a simple way) + we do have Repeat (shift+ctrl+Y), which applies the formatting, if this was the last operation, to the current selection (Heiko) + no strong opinion, suggest to be compatible with other programs (Hossein) + in fact MSO allows to copy per ctrl+shift+C and paste from this buffer at any time later per ctrl+shift+V => introduce the UNO command * Setting language for Selection/Paragraph/All text can't be shortcut + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157648 + it's a bug, if pasting w/o format does not work (Cor) + possible solution is to define a character style with the preferred language, use tools > customize > keyboard: styles > character styles to assign a shortcut to this style (ideally you do this in a template); select text and apply the style per shortcut then (Hossein) => no further shortcut needed, WF * UI: Resizing of a selection of columns/rows should correspond to the mouse position + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157945 + do not resize (all columns) to the width of the currently dragged column but divide the sum by the number of columns so the mouse position remains after releasing it (Cor) + sounds reasonable to me, rather with a modifier key such as ctrl to keep the old behavior too (Heiko) + same in Excel and suggest to not break the current behavior (Hossein) => do it * Feature request: Editing, Formatting, UI. Option to add linebreaks when merging cells into one + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158034 + agree to use cr/lf (for rows) and tab (for columns) when merging cells (and split later with this information) (Miguel, Cor, Heiko) + doubt it can be considered generally (Hossein) + undo needs to be considered, tab/linefeed have special meaning => comment * Need a rectangular-brace-pair callout shape + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157879 + good for an extension; attached to the ticket (Regina) + the Gallery > Shapes has some good callout examples (Hossein) + adding such shape leads to compatibility issues + possible to get square brackets from round (Heiko) + but this wont be a callout (Eyal) + compatibility bug should be filed (Hossein) + having the default shapes from other shapes in LibreOffice makes sense (Hossein) + adding too many shapes make access difficult and we should do it only for absolutely necessary content, WF (Heiko) => comment OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-08
Present: Eyal, Cor, Sahil, John, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Stephane, Regina, Eike, Timur, Jean-Baptiste Tickets/Topics * Add the possibility to save and load custom predefined settings for Text Import in Calc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156879 + Data Provider could be a solution, though it's experimental (Heiko) + can follow the use case (Eyal, Cor) + possible solution is to remember the last settings (Eyal) + in a first solution we could just remember the checkboxes + previous column types could be used if the number matches + does not clutter the UI (Heiko) + to load presets could be done too but would be a heavy interaction and kind of over-engineering + multi-selection of columns to batch apply a type is helpful too - which is possible in the current version (Cor) => remember the last settings, if multi-selection is not sufficient * UI Feature Request: Possibility to hide a page like in Impress + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156802 + can follow the use case (Stephane) + always possible to exclude pages on printing/exporting to PDF (Regina, Cor, John) + against "hide" because of the semantics but agree with means to remember a print range (Eyal) => resolve WF and suggest to file a new ticket for print range * AUTOFILTER : Doesn't work with 2 words like "CP" and "Mi-CP" or "MiCP" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157878 + Tools/Options/Calc/Calculate:Apply to whole cells should do the trick (Miguel) + AutoFilter should be independent of that option (Eike) + always compare the autofilter against the entire cell; the fuzzy search/filter could be done by multi-selecting *CP* per search for CP => change the behavior to always apply the autofilter to the entire cell * PDF restrictions in signed PDF documents + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143134 + it's normal that you cannot add comments in signed file (Timur) + non example for the opposite; signed document should stay unchanged (Heiko) + some environments exist where the signed document has an attached commenting workflow; will ask on the ticket (Cor) + it might be a flag to allow comments in signed PDFs (Hossein) + possible with Adobe software (Cor) => not a topic for UX * Ability to navigate via viewing area on charts + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138509 + good for an extension (Jean-Baptiste) + 1. Ability to Zoom in + good idea (Eyal, John, Cor) + over-engineering; advanced chart functions are better suited for specialized tools (Heiko) + 2. Ability to Select data range + same as above (Heiko) + support this too (Eyal, John, Cor) + if we want to improve on this area we should include R with some libraries * Ability to hover on charts to quickly visualize details + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138510 + we do show tooltips, but chart needs to be in edit mode (Heiko) + good idea, maybe worth a META ticket (Eyal) => comment * Tabbed interface: Overflow the tabbed interface to scroll/flip instead of a popup + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158123 + Importance of making tabbed feature usable on different screen size (Hossein) + alternative overflow mechanism has pro and cons (Heiko) => comment OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-02
Present: Cor, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Stephane Tickets/Topics * in automatic filter, add the number of the first row where the value appears + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157331 + proposal is to show the first occurrence in addition/alternatively to the total number the first occurrence (tdf#149984) + suggest to ask in a forum/ask-libreoffice for good solutions - and request a change if none is found (Cor) + computational effort sounds to be low; real estate on dialog seems to be possible though somewhat cluttered; wouldn't reject the request but recommend to not start work unless more users are interested (Eyal) + would WF the request; searching is easy and showing the total number more relevant (Heiko) => keep ticket and comment * Cell / font formatting lost when data linked from external data + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150414 + if external source has formatting it should be taken into the reference, if not it must not clear the internal format (Eyal) + make the two feature behave in exactly the same way and provide an option to use the source formatting (Stephane) + better documentation needed (Heiko) + topic is very difficult to understand and probably needs more investigation (Cor) => follow Stephane's suggestion * The arrowhead control in the sidebar line section is difficult to notice + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157882 + sidebar is crowded anyway, suggest to not have every single attribute there (Heiko) + cap style / corner style are even less likely changed by users (Eyal) + control is difficult to notice but tooltip makes the functionality obvious (Cor) => improve by moving the current control into a new line, drop cap/corner style, and keep splitting the control for later OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Oct-25
Present: John, Bogdan, Heiko Comments: Eike, Eyal Tickets/Topics * feature [Draw] Color option to identify the layer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157255 + currently we show italic for locked, underline for non-printing and blue font color for invisible, and a bold bar for the active layer + a) just use bold for the active layer and icons for states + drawback is a jumping UI and larger tabs + b) use a thin bar to indicate the object's layer + hard to distinguish from the active layer + c) colorize the layer of the object with highlight color + could use the system highlight color (and invert the blue font of disabled) + like option a) (John) + competitors? draw.io uses kind of a Navigator and draws a tiny dot for the object's layer + ideally improve the Navigator => comment * Re-initialize autofill rather than overwriting content + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157731 + re-initialize autofill rather than overwriting content when pressing ctrl (Heiko) + take care of shift being pressed (just copies the content) + no harm in adding this function (John) => do it * Paste number format only + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157627 + paste special without format should not alter the target format (Eike) + would be a random choice of attributes and bloats the dialog (John, Heiko) + workflow is unclear and sounds very specific + using proper cell style might be a good alternative + Excel provides an option to paste "Formulas and number formats" or alternatively "Values and number formats"; we should consider adding this (John) + just adding the number format could be a checkbox under Options labeled "Number format" disabled if "[x] Format" is checked (and otherwise allowing to overwrite the target number format) => do it * Print or export to PDF by chapters/sections + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157346 + nice shortcut (Heiko) + should be called heading; and agree with the request (Eyal) + makes the print dialog more complicated and is quite unusual; reading first/last page from the document is simple enough (John) => resolve WF OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Oct-19
Present: Cor, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Stephane, RGB, Eyal, Jan, Robert Tickets/Topics * As we now have a Comment style, remove/redirect "Format all comments..." + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157522 + direct formatting might still be needed, eg. to increase the font size for all comments (Stephane) + rename to "Direct format all comments" and perhaps hide it from the menu but keep it; add Edit Style to the menu (Heiko) + turn "Format all comments" into "Edit default paragraph style for comments" (RGB) + rather open the Paragraph Style dialog for the current Comment PS (Eyal) + remove the command, and offer "Select All" (Cor, Eyal) => comment * Improve password security UX + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157518 + implement strength meter based on existing code, do not use rules, consider further improvements (Jan) + https://keepass.info/help/kb/pw_quality_est.html + have an "unmask password" icon (Jan) + have a policy to provide companies a way to not allow simple passwords (Cor, Gabor) + show strength meter with tooltips what do to (Eyal, Heiko) + perhaps split the bug (Eyal) => comment * Method to clear search text drop down list in Base form + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157039 + remember search during the session (Heiko) + store it in the database (Robert) => fix depending on effort * Writer: repeat first column of a table on subsequent pages + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157301 + table don't flow left/right to the next page (Cor) + OP is not a CTL user but wants to split a wide table across multiple pages + theoretically it might be possible "If a table does not fit on a single page, a set of adjacent table columns can be automatically repeated on every page..." + Calc provide means to achieve this via Print Range > Row/Columns to repeat (Cor) + don't worth the effort, unless the OP can explain why implementing this in Writer in necessary (Eyal) => WF OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Oct-05
Present: Heiko Comments: Gabor, Jean-Francois, Stephane, Ilmari, Telesto, Attila, William, Khaled, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Writer allows to insert comments in footnotes in DOCX, but loses them + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157406 + have UI settings for all similar MSO-compat options (Gabor) + add AllowCommentsInFootnotes and ClockwisePieChartDirection but not ReverseSeriesOrderAreaAndNetChart, and ReverseXAxisOrientationDoughnutChart (Heiko) => easy hack * Import & Export mechanism for the font substitution table + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157415 + realize per extension (Jean-Francois, Heiko) => WF * Formula help still displayed when editing cell formatted as text + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156674 + show tip anyway (Stephane) + cell reference highlighting might be misleading (Ilmari) + formula might be shown anyway (Heiko) + and the tooltip shows up only while editing; possible workflow is to write formulas in text mode and switch finally to number for execution- which makes the tooltip valuable => resolve WF/NAB * Cursor goes beyond margins when typing spaces at the end of a line + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155494 + mimic MS Word that allows spaces beyond margin and off page (Telesto) + controversial situation; allow space, don't wrap line, give feedback... and the use case is very dubious (Attila) + not being able to add pointless spaces at the end or breaking into the next line was the reason for the report (William) + TextEdit and Pages keep the cursor at line end regardless spaces (Khaled) + MS Word had in the past '"Wrap trailing spaces to the next line" (for compatibility with WordPerfect)'; suggest to break line (Stuart) + make this optional (William, Heiko) => add optionally OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Sep-27
Present: Maja, Eyal, Rafael, John, Rizal, Heiko
Comments: Stephane
Tickets/Topics
* Support partial visibility of tracked changes (at least like MS Word)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157104
+ use case: reviewer caring about content not formatting (Stephane)
+ tools > options > writer > changes allows to set every type to [None]
but it still becomes colored differently, at least for formatting
+ agree with the request (John), agree with the use case (Rafael)
+ show in the TC sidebar (only) (Heiko)
+ should also be available in the menu (Eyal)
+ toolbar button to toggle margin visibility needs rework (Eyal)
+ improve tools > options? not a good choice as it is not per document,
low discoverability
+ take care of margin options
=> do it
* [UI] Presenter mode does not use system font
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157276
+ complex theming at ooO.PresenterScreen.Presenter.Themes[]
including background image, font size, color, style...
and familyname, though not set
+ PresenterTheme::FontDescriptor::CreateFont() {
if (msFamilyName.isEmpty())
aFontRequest.FontDescription.FamilyName = "Tahoma";
+ customization in the registry could be applied and shared
via extension
+ certainly needs to be larger and more distinctive than usual
UI content (Eyal)
+ "fallback" resp. default for empty fontfamily should not be Tahoma
but the UI font (Eyal)
+ don't dislike the current solution, wouldn't change it (Heiko)
+ prefer to have the system default (Rafael)
=> let's do it
* EDITING Hyperlink to hidden sheet navigates to wrong sheet
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118866
+ how does MSO work? the same as Calc -> no information (John)
+ even worse since editing the hyperlink breaks it while we
still list the hidden sheet
+ a) switch anyway (and show the hidden sheet, maybe only temporarily)
+ a1) permanently unhide the hidden sheet, since the
temporary action is too surprising (Eyal, Rafael)
+ b) show some info bar, message box, balloon tip
+ c) disable the link and change the appearance accordingly
+ IMO b) or a1); against c) (Eyal)
+ IMO b) or a) (John)
+ IMO b) infobar; against a1) and a) as there might be a need
to hide a sheet (Rafael, Maja)
+ protected sheets need to be considered; showing is not an option in
this case
+ the infobar moves the content downward, a messagebox is disruptive
=> do it (easyhackable, medium interesting)
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[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Sep-13
Present: John, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Dieter, Stephane, Mike Tickets/Topics * Separate Default Page Size from Language Locale + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149478 + add an option to set the default page size (John, Eyal) + Consider placing the option elsewhere than Languages Settings | Language, as that is not intuitive & difficult to discover (Eyal) + templates are pretty easy to do and users should learn this (Dieter) => do it * UX review needed for Options - Writer - Compatibility dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157006 + hide single GUI option (John, Heiko) + reorganize the other, ie. OpenOffice 1.1 together + perhaps combining all those options makes it easier (John) + rename, ie. use verbs at the beginning + shorten text if possible, ie. "Tolerate..." without " for compatibility..." (needs to be considered individually) + Perhaps consider having a drop-down list box for setting the selection to correspond to specific apps: OOo 1.1, some version(s) of MS Word etc. (Eyal) + Planning to comment on specifics in more detail on the bug page (Eyal) => easyhack * Tabs in Ruler not showing correctly + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157081 + Windows show no automatic tab stop at all (only manual) + change design of default tab stop indicator and (John) + use left/right pointing angle for LTR/RTL (Stephane) => do it * Inconsistent table row selection + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155670 + nothing "surprising" in the selection, LibreOffice is doing well (Heiko) + LO behavior on is surprising, frustrates expectations and inconsistent (e.g. third-line-level vs first-line-level) (Eyal) + unclear use case /issue (John) + compatibility might be relevant (John) + don't think we need to make the same mistakes (Heiko) + Disagree, issue is very clear (Eyal) + Will try to make a video to better clarify the frustration (Eyal) => prolly NAB * Incentivize users to use the latest version via the UI + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153153 + prompt would be intrusive, static text in About dialog okay (Mike) + Windows has the (auto-)updater informing about new versions, Linux distributions prefer own update procedures, no need for more "incentives" (Heiko) + About dialog is not an incentive per se (Eyal) + rather invest in better update mechanism and "intrusive prompt" when new major updates are available (Eyal) + show an infobar on major version "Version is no longer supported" along with buttons "Update", "Show again", Don't bother again" (Eyal, John) => comment OpenPGP_0xA68C0CA5EEA5F466.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Sep-07
Present: Eyal, Heiko Comments: Dieter, Mike, Balazs, Stephane, Maxim Tickets/Topics * Pasting a table cell, pastes the source cell in the upper/actual cell as an inner table cell + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149625 + always put inner tables when cursor is inside the cell (Mike) + use modifier key or paste special dialog + do not change / WF as such a rare use case does not improve with a different workflow (Dieter) => resolved NAB/INV meanwhile * Not possible to enable table header rows repeat from menubar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93694 + command is not frequently used and does not deserve a place in the main/context menu (Heiko) + Command is used frequently enough to merit reasonable visibility, and its toggle aspect (repeat yes/no) at least also merits increased visibility (Eyal) + adding the command to the table toolbar is not sufficiently visible/ accessible, people will not notice it as they rarely pay attention to the table toolbar, and an icon will not draw their attention (Eyal) + adding to the context menu is an acceptable "compensation" for the loss of visibility via the menu (Eyal) + shorter command label would be good (Heiko, Eyal) + start label with an action verb like "Repeat Header Rows" + sounds good; and is used on MSO too + do the same with .uno:RowSplit and move to the context menu and name it "Break Row Across Pages" => do it * "Fit height to text" is misleading, only regards growing rather than shrinking + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156939 + resizing works, if not set manually (Heiko) + ... but the box is still never shrunk, only stretched (Eyal) + ideally this toggle would make the box both stretch and shrink as necessary (Heiko) + Unless the functionality is changing very soon, better rename so that the label fits the current, rather than the ideal, functionality (Eyal) + Suggest "Stretch" instead of "Fit" (Eyal) + MSO uses "[ ] Resize shape to fit text" and "[ ] Wrap text in shape" + "Resize shape" switches off automatically when the height changes + if "Wrap text" is switched off, the box is sized according the page width (and text still breaks) + if the box is resized from the page width, the "Wrap text" option is switched on automatically + feature needs to be ODF compliant => comment * "Fit width to text" shouldn't default to "extend width to fit whole paragraph on a single line" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156942 + should do the same as "Fit height to text" (Heiko) + and does - the text box changes depending on the text if active; otherwise the text breaks + should not grow beyond page/side width (Eyal, Heiko) + ... but limitation on growing beyond page/window width is independent of the behavior choice in this bug (Eyal) + request is to set width, and apply line breaking, so that the paragraph fits to the chosen box height; at least as an optional behavior, preferably as the default or single behavior (Eyal) + not a common functionality and needs to be available in ODF (Heiko) + Arranging text in textboxes is an extremely common activity with Impress. Also, with the current behavior being unwieldy, using this functionality couldn't be common (Eyal) => comment * add toggle to show / hide authorship metadata in popup Calc comments + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156885 + config key could be added (Balazs) + agree with the toggle request meaning show/hide (Eyal) + Calc is special regarding comments and should not compared with Writer; such a toggle makes sense (Stephane, Ady) + show comments in a sidebar tab makes hiding simple (Maxim) + function to clear metadata sounds more appropriate than a (hidden) config key that disables the feature (Heiko) => comment OpenPGP_0xA68C0CA5EEA5F466.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Aug-30
Present: Eyal, Heiko
Comments: Khaled, Stuart
Tickets/Topics
* Ability to remove non-printing/"atypical" characters in a stretch
of text
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156507
+ there is no such thing as exotic characters (Khaled, Stuart)
+ recommended workflow is to use advanced search and replace
with +F10 exposing NPC, and +X showing Unicode
=> wontfix
* The "Fast Action" Buttons to hide/unhide all grouped columns & rows
disappear when View Headers is set to conceal headers
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156495
+ a) keep the extra space and just hide the labels
+ b) disable the command and always show headers if groups exist
+ c) accept situation since done intentionally
=> c), resp. WF; also since groups still can be shown/hidden
individually
* Indication of which table rows are considered heading rows is
"hidden away" from the user
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156454
+ make a duplicate of bug 113603 "Unified table management"
+ any band-aid like some info in the context menu or
tooltips to indicate whether a row is a header is odd
=> make a duplicate
* Allow insertion of items into master without a selected item
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155741
+ works in the floating Navigator ("Text" is always selected)
but not when docked
+ unclear why insertion is not possible
+ having some random entry when nothing is in the document
is weird
+ selecting the first item by default is not a solution
since after adding a document one ends up with no selection
=> needsDevEval
* Custom list numbering from DOCX import is not available in UI
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156598
+ new scheme allows to use %1%2 on any level
+ mockup prepared during the session
+ would like to have "%1{.%2}[2-]{.%3}[3-]{.%4}[4-]{.%5}
[5-]{.%6}[6-]{.%7}[7-]{.%8}[8-]{.%9}[9-]{.%10}[10-]" (Eyal)
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[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Aug-24
Present: Heiko Comments: Jan, Eyal Tickets/Topics * On F1 / Help failure - No resolution path is identified for resolving errormesssage + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142926 => no further comment, the doer decides * No hotkey to apply cloned formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156404 + don't add an extra shortcut for sticky cloning (Heiko) => no further comment, WF * In LibreOffice Writer no option to select all text with the same formating + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156488 + ENHANCEMENT: Select all text with the same formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94989 + resolve WF/NAB as we do this via Find All (Heiko) + unclear use case: select all text with certain formatting for what purpose?; likely has alternative/better ways to achieve (Heiko) + F is not the place anyone would look for this functionality (Eyal) => WF, as this was the decision in the past * Split search for text and for style into two tabs in Find and Replace dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156493 + good idea (Jan) + applies to "Paragraph Style", "Attributes", and "Format"/"No Format" + searching for attributes/formatting in comments or via regex is possible although unlikely needed + don't see much advantage (Heiko) => do it OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Aug-16
Present: John, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Eike, Justin, Bogdan Tickets/Topics * Select paragraph (quad click) causes jumping to the end + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156369 + see also https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137603 + MSO hides the caret on selection, we show it and give feedback where it is; changing this should be done + not so many people requesting this change (John) + actually it is a frequently asked question (Heiko) + depends on the OS/DE how selection works (Notepad on Windows hides the caret likewise MSO while Kate on Linux/KDE does the same as we do, ie. show and move the caret) + advantage of showing the caret is better feedback; you see what has been selected (important when the text spawns multiple pages) + do not change this; and if do it optional (Heiko) => make this request a duplicate of 137603 and comment there * Warn when default format is changed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90593 + no warning when changing the default at Tools > Options > Load/Save + pointless in first place and common without (Bogdan, Justin) + saving as plain txt gives no warning but changing on SaveAs to doc it warns; MSO gives a warning for odt (for example) even when it is the default (together with a don't show again checkbox) + would expect the same as MSO for all formats but odt/fodt; the "warn when not saving..." below should become "Do want in case of alien formats" being controlled on the confirmation dialog => do so * Wrong cell attributes assumed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113687 + valid request but header should be taken into account (Eike) => make the format of inserted rows/cols depending on the action left/right (rather prior/after) resp. below/top * Cannot copy formula by copying cell when displaying with Show Formula + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156357 => assigned * Option to REQUIRE pressing F2 or Enter to switch to cell edit mode and ignore any data entry attempts otherwise + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155891 + option to disallow direct input in Calc (F2 always required) + if implemented it should be done as expert option to make it hard to find for average users (Hossein) => do it OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jul-27
Present: Shu, Hossein, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Ady, Thomas, Roman Tickets/Topics * Allow to invert selection in Autofilter + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156305 + wont clutter too much and nice to have (Ady) => add the option * Get Rid of the Red Background Color in Find Box + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156227 + shading has a clear meening (Thomas) + don't mind the red highlighting (Shu) + bad contrast for black font on red background, at least on Windows (Hossein) + MSO shows an extra dialog + Not having a popup/dialog to tell nothing is found may lead to issues. For example in Writer, it caused the screen reader not announcing it https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117173 => make "Search key not found" label bold and red instead of the input highlight => show a dialog with "Search key not found" with a "[x] Show this message" dialog for a11y * The "increase indent" icon has no effect after reaching cell border + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114452 + keep function and make it depending on the cell size rather than column (Shu) + increase after maximum (Eyal) + disable the command if the indentation is at the maximum => do it * Pivot table - enable subtotals by default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155130 + enabling per double click on row field is easy (Roman) + enabling subtotals clutters the table, in particular in case of multiple groups where users should decide manually which group needs a summary (Heiko) => do not enable by default * continue fulfilling input fields + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101625 + hide the button (Shu, Heiko) => do it OpenPGP_0xA68C0CA5EEA5F466.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jul-19
Present: Heiko Comments: Dieter, Cor, Ady Tickets/Topics * Add Favorites section to Formula Editor + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156188 + add "last used" similar to functions in Calc (Heiko) => do it * EDITING: Extending selection to next word includes after-word space + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155949 + support the proposal for consistency (Dieter) + no need to select for DF on a single word (Cor) => recommend to not implement but keep open for further input * Animation deck 'Play' button should be positioned to lead edge of deck, so always visible + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156192 + like the suggestion (Cor) => do it * Choose which adjacent column of a "double clicked" formula dictates the extent of the fill + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149356 + proposal not clear (Ady) + Instead of only considering the "left-side" column (or "prior") for RTL/CTL cases) + autofill action will remain the same; the difference is that both-sides adjacent columns are considered instead of just the "prior" + unclear what happens when hidden columns are adjacent + No new shortcuts => implement alt+click to autofill on the opposite site => change behavior depending on LTR/RTL and rename into prior (left for LTR) and after (at least in the documentation OpenPGP_0xA68C0CA5EEA5F466.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jul-13
Present: Hossein, Cor, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Stephane, Shu, Eyal, David Tickets/Topics * Removing "contextual groups" from the list of NB variants + Justin resolved some related tickets as WF/WFM + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Guidelines/ToolBar + https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/12/21/evolving-past-the-restrictions-of-toolbars/. + pro removing: experimental state for long, some effort needed + con: would be a pity to just follow what others do + too many UI options anyway (Hossein) + unfortunately we do not have the manpower to improve these ideas + we have this ticket somewhere (Heiko) * Add an "all pages" view mode to Draw to scroll through all pages in canvas (without needing Page Pane) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156087 + similar to Writer's multiple-page view; expected by many users (Stephane, Shu) + Impress has the Slide Sorter in an extra view mode + Draw is not a PDF viewer, WF (Stuart) + missing function (Shu) + Draw is not meant to show multi-page documents, dup of bug 141732 or invalid (Eyal) => resolve WF * Rename "rotation object" to "solid of revolution" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156099 + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_of_revolution (Tuomas) + ODF defines "a three-dimensional rotation shape based on the given polygon"; the more convoluted "solid of revolution" while lexically correct adds nothing to the UI or the UX (Stuart) => resolve NAB * Support distinction rather than override of conflicting subdocument styles + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155740 + unclear use case (David) + some confirmation per document (Shu) + if we better go with a global master switch (Heiko) + master documents are a special workflow aiming for style consistency, WF (Mike, Hossein) + unclear use case (David) + copy/paste could solve alternative workflows (Shu) => resolve WF * When setting the Heading/Outline Numbering for a level to "None", still getting separators + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156089 + works like in MSO, WF (Justin) + no reason to block, WF (Heiko) + asking to _clear_ the separator fields in case of None (Eyal) + remembering "Chapter/:" is not a (good) solution since users may change it for None into "-/>", or the like, making it very difficult to follow + behavior existing for years shouldn't change without good reasons (Hossein) + list style is something you shouldn't change multiple times => resolve WF * Autocorrect replaces " - " with " – " instead of " — " (en-dash instead of em-dash) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156046 + maybe drop the conversion of single hyphen (Stuart) + typically two hyphen is an EN-dash, three EM (Heiko) + two dashes with / without spaces is kind of standard and working like this in MSO (Hossein) + clearly described in https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/shared/01/06040100.html + two dashes without spaces like 1--2 is not correctly converted (Heiko) => bug; do not change the behavior as described in the help OpenPGP_0xA68C0CA5EEA5F466.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jul-05
Present: Lupe, Bogdan, John, Rizal, Heiko Comments: Jean-Baptiste, Ady, Eyal, Hossein, Mike, Eike, Ilmari Tickets/Topics * default file names when printing workbook in PDF SUGGESTION : default file names when printing workbook in PDF + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144207 + automatically suggest a PDF file name + the first words of a text document does not express generally the contains of the document, might be sensitive (Jean-Baptiste) + we name documents "Untitled" when saving (Heiko) => don't do + automatically create several PDF files according to the choice indicated + add a checkbox below and indented under All with "[ ] Split workbook and create individual PDFs for every sheet", or the like (Heiko) + no harm in it but shouldn't be the default (John) => do it * Hash marks that indicate "cell too narrow" should expand according to the cell width + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155886 + agree with a _minimum_ of three # marks (Ady) + clutters the spreadsheet (Heiko) + filling with ##'s is better then having the arbitrary three #'s (Eyal, Hossein) + three hashes are easier to spot (Lupe) + unclear use case (John) => comment * Warning dialog shows only once for "Record changes" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147980 + not only about *protection* of the recording, but also about *controlling* (Mike) + add wording about the destructive nature of the action in the Calc case (Eike) + consider removing this checkbox entirely (Eyal) + unclear what is being destroyed (John) => investigate and suggest a text * "replace custom styles" option in AutoCorrect should be removed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140024 + agree (Stuart, Heiko) + totally unclear, "Custom Styles" could be Direct Formatting (Eyal) + removing it wouldn't be realized by many users anyway (John) + the lately introduced Spotlight feature shows styles clearly (Heiko) + use case is maybe on receiving a document from someone else all "alien" styles can be converted at once (Rizal) + rename the option maybe (Rizal) + perfectly clear (Heiko, John) + should be better switched off by default => forward to documentation with suggestion to add an example * proposal-option to remove whitespace characters (other than space) in "paste special", "clear direct formatting", Format->Text and in import dialog box + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148544 + clean() and trim() work well (Ilmari) + objective easy to achieve with inbuilt functions (Ady) + Users could also mark the undesired character as separator in the import dialogue and also check Merge delimiters + unclear use case (Eyal) + typically not added intentionally and suggested option would be convenient (Stuart, Rizal) => suggest to keep ticket open and wait for supporters OpenPGP_0xA68C0CA5EEA5F466.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jun-21
Present: Eyal, Shu, John, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Dieter, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Several Calc menu commands are available in Read-Only mode + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155434 + it's about to grey out items that cannot be used (Eyal) => makes sense * Edit Index Entry dialog: Replace "Apply" button with "Reset" button and make "Close" apply automatically + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155471 + consistency is prime, keep Apply but add Ok (Dieter) + no indication when changes are applied (eg not in case of Close) => warn if Close is pressed without Apply/Next (Eyal) + how about labeling with "Previous <= => Next (and Apply)" (Heiko) + no urgent need for adding Reset (Eyal, Heiko) + Apply could be removed (Heiko) + we could disable Apply if no changes are made (Eyal) + Apply is handy if one doesnt want to press next/prev (Eyal, John) => resolve WF and suggest follow-up tickets * Option to Disable Overwrite Mode (Insert Key) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155561 + standard behavior, Overwrite is shown in the statusbar (Heiko) + draw attention the first time users do it (John, Eyal) + MSO has an option to enable insert/overwrite (but doesn't show any indicator, neither as different cursor not in the statusbar) => show a warning dialog the first time overwrite is enabled; okay button must not be in focus * How many copies you want of something should not be hidden in the print dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147514 + the dialog remembers the expanded state (Stuart) + the dialog is too large, expanding by default makes the content scroll; moving single items into the non-expandable part breaks relation (Heiko) + swap include and number of copies (Eyal, John) + check display size and expand the section and resize the dialog if possible (Hossein) + changing the number of pages is a more common use case than include odd/even (John, Eyal) + keep collation in the collapsed section (Eyal) + rename first "More" to "Collation and Paper Size", and the second "Pages per Sheet" => do this * Set paragraph style drop down is able to create new styles, which is unconventional (and not fitting the label) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155729 + disable style creation; just search for styles (Heiko) + similar for fonts- typing another font name is possible even if it doesnt exists + open a dialog and ask users what to do; disagree with removal (Eyal) + MSO has no similar option for styles but for font names- it shows a dialog if the font not exists whether it should be used anyway + It had in Office 2003, but not now (Hossein) + function is useful if the sidebar is not open (replaces the somewhat hidden "New from Selection") + allow renaming the current style? (Heiko) not needed (John, Eyal) => show the dialog with yes/no option OpenPGP_0xA68C0CA5EEA5F466.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jun-15
Present: Happy, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Mike, Dieter, Eyal Tickets/Topics * E-Mail by using mail-merge needs handling of: "messages per connection" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155299 + reasonable request (Mike) + add to Tools > Options > Writer > Mail Merge a frame "Options" with "Break every [ 100] messages for [ 5] s" (the values could need a review) => do this * Allow edit of F1 keystroke + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155671 + makes sense to allow customization of all keys (Happy) + F1 has a dedicated command so it's just the limitation to customize => allow it * Include extension chart digitizer in LO 7 chart with Calc table + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139933 + LibreOffice is not an OCR tool, well suited for an extension (Heiko) => do not add to the core functionality * More centralized endnote/footnote settings + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125876 + rename Tools > "F & E" to "Footnotes/Endnotes settings" (Dieter) + +1 (Happy, Heiko) + add F Settings to context menu of footnote anchor + should be the fact right now + rename "Insert > Footnote or Endnote" to "Edit Footnote/Endnote" (Dieter) + rather hide this command as adding a random character is odd (Heiko) + it's the only way to insert characters not available as numbering lists like Arabic alef (Hossein) + keep and rename to "Insert Special Footnote/Endnote" (Happy) + make footnote numbering page-style-specific, rename the Insert > F dialog "Out-of-order Note" or "Special Note", provide access to Page Style from F (Eyal) + off topic here, depends on bug 155712; if footnotes were bound to page style it would be confusing for left/right varying styles => follow Dieter's suggestion except Special F/E * HYPERLINK DIALOG: Simplification of Hyperlink Process + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130646 + search for bookmarks or optionally sort alphabetically in the Navigator + Navigator shows the URL on hover + use case is "referencing of terminology" which would be Insert > Cross-reference (Eyal) + or rather Alphabetical Index created per Concordance File (Heiko) => sufficient methods, NEEDINFO OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jun-07
Present: Eyal, John, Heiko Comments: Mike, Andre, Stuart Tickets/Topics * [Character styles] Make more clear that the font used is from the paragraph style + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153623 + part of bug 88559 "Display of inherited attributes from parent styles in Styles dialog" (Mike) + visual clue that an attribute has not been explicitly set or unset is needed (Andre) + show an indicator on altered attributes (Eyal) + could be similar to system settings at KDE (Heiko) + not showing the actual attributes from the PS is a bug (Eyal, John) + changing the character format inline for multiple paragraphs empties the varying fields, which is easy to follow; otherwise it takes the value from the PS, again easy to understand => comment * WRITER: Can't define a character style for Regular font variant + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155113 + starting from a PS with italic font, this attribute is taken into the CS and can be changed into regular, meaning it could be solved with the above (Heiko) + there are some reasons to create a CS not based on any PS (Eyal) + show the indicator in a greyed-out appearance if an attribute is changed and allow to make this sticky; clicking on the indicator toggles from on to off (removing individual attributes from a style) => easy to understand * Remove (or change functionality and label) of "Default" button in Styles tab of Insert Index dialog (see c1,c6,c7) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153653 + decision for c6 & c7 needed (renaming proposals) + make style selection likewise the B dialog (Eyal) + does not work as this dialog has way less attributes to assign => go with context menus and maybe a trashbin-symbol in the middle for the factory setting * I want to choose my Notebookbar without changing my whole User Interface + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148123 + merits as MUFFIN proposal (Stuart) + power users may like this, average users don't need it (John) + if the UI is customized (Notebookbar + Toolbars) it should be persistent (John) + menubar on/off is remembered + low priority (Eyal) => fix the bug OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jun-01
Present: Hossein, Heiko Comments: Eike, Eyal, Mike, Kabilo, Stephane Tickets/Topics * Allow entering textbox edit mode with single click instead of double-click + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153749 + ideally we consistently implement single click to activate the (text box) object vs. double click to enter the edit mode + Impress/Draw has the option General > Allow quick editing (Heiko) + Excel works as requested and single click goes into edit mode and one has to grab the frame to move (Hossein) + bad idea for charts as it results in unintentional editing (Eike) + see also bug 141841 + oppose to change the global default and opposing a quick editing mode for charts (Eyal) => implement as an option, off by default for Calc and Writer, and on for Impress/Draw as of today * Writer - protected section - allow to insert content into fields + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154808 + fields provide important features, also useful for templates (Mike) + one use case is to hide sections but don't delete (Kabilo) + unclear how to protect (Eyal) + in the field dialog per "[ ] Ignore protection" or + in the section dialog next to "[ ] Editable in read-only documents" per "[ ] Keep fields editable in case of protection" + use case is weak; the field to control hidden parts does not need to be in a protected section (Heiko, Hossein) => plenty of options, rather not do it * UI: Remediate frustration of unclear style names in style-name picklist contexts + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155054 + picklist / dropdown should show hierarchy (OP, Eyal) + WF because of the Automatic filter option (Heiko) + trees are complex UI elements and detrimental to usability (Heiko) + request could be solved with some kind of alias; although the current situation is fine (Hossein) => resolve WF * "Growing Liberty" Impress template has a slide of unclear (suspicious for advertizing) nature in the end + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155390 + keep last slide with icons, +1 (Rania, Laurent) + provide icons rather per Gallery, -1 (Eyal) + credits look like advertising, -1 (Mike, Heiko, Hossein) => remove the slide (1 page) * Make "Level" spinbox into a dropdown menu in the Document tab of "Insert - Field" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154052 + agree with the suggestion (Stephane, Heiko, Hossein) + don't mind if direct editing remains possible (Eyal) => do it OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-24
Present: https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/design#L39 Comments: Eike, Ady, Bogdan, Rafael, Tomaz, Timur, Roman, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Find & Replace: Checkmark "Current selection only" automatically unset after repeating "find" (or "find/ replace") despite that area is still marked + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141296 + dialog should remember the option (Eike) + after f the dialog selection is lost (Ady) and searching again makes no sense (Heiko) + iterative operations are common (Bogdan) + only obvious issue is that replacing items may end in no selection and the fact that current selection depends on whether more than one cell is selected (Heiko) + remembering the option is desirable (Hossein) + MSO has no option to _ignore_ the selection; replacement is always applied to the selection if more than one cell is selected (Hossein) + makes sense to drop the option (John); option is good (Shu) + MSO does not change the current selection on replacement (Heiko) + it's kind of a convenience feature to quickly see what has been changed (Heiko) + could be made dependent on whether a selection was active before the replacement (Hossein) => comment * Confusion between "bibliography entry" and "citation" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155050 + bibliographical entry is part of the toc - and citation a more common term for the functionality (Stuart) + alternatively use "reference"? (Heiko) + compare with well-known 3rd party tools Mendeley, Zotero, Endnote (John, Hossein) + Zotero uses "Citation" and Bibliography (John), MSO Word as well (Hossein) => do rename * Pasting a table cell, pastes the source cell in the upper/actual cell as an inner table cell + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149625 + different behavior depending on the selection; same behavior for MSO Word + inserting a table into a table cell is possible too (Heiko) + wondering if this has a real use case (John), apparently it is as questions on the web indicate (Hossein) + Search for "nested tables" in BZ => resolve NAB * Remove empty rows faster in Calc (add in LO instead of extension) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151133 + common use case, integration makes sense (Rafael, Tomaz, Timur) + does it exit in Excel? (John), unclear (Heiko) => do it (for both row and column) * rename “Modify” button into "Assign" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155214 + wouldn't change (Roman) + Assign fits better (Stuart, Heiko, John) => rename * Simplified options dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90989 + simplification means essentially to create new dialogs from scratch- with a lot of effort + searching for content simplifies the workflow + improve rather than start from scratch (Hossein, John) + still think it's beneficial (John) + MSO does a worse job by some simple tabs and one large "Advanced" (Hossein) + small-size devices such as handhelds demand a smaller options dialog (John) => do it OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-10
Present: Cor, John, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Stephane, Stuart, Jim, Dieter, Bogdan, Gabor Tickets/Topics * MRU and SC add option to sort recent documents alphabetically + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154985 + some advanced options ooO.Common > History but not alpha sort (Stephane) + rather pining documents to the top of the MRU list (bug 38742) (Stuart, Cor) => WF, we better do the favorite/pinning thing * FLUID page number indication option: on / off + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153777 + was "Page 1-2 of 3" and has been changed for bug 90150 (Jim) + no problem with "1 and 2 of 3" (John) + OP seems to understand* the information as if the number indicates where the cursor is but it indicates the view (Cor) *) "and then, you'll .. EVERY time.." + MSO gives feedback where the cursor is; should be done somehow (Hossein) => NAB/WF * Insert caption dialog doesn't offer controlling the first number + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154896 + field numbers can be edited later but no good reason why not possible on insertion (Dieter) + You have to edit all the fields, and not a single one (Hossein) + primary workflow is to insert a caption as quick and easy as possible; also afraid of adverse effect for master documents (Heiko) + experts can do macro programming or other tricks (Hossein) => WF/NAB * New feature: set the source/scope of AutoComplete search (UI Tools > AutoInput) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155016 + add option to autocomplete not only based on current column but the whole sheet; no good reason to block (Heiko) + autocomplete in large spreadsheets is not advisable (Hossein) + makes sense, but should be optional (John) + simple workaround is to add the word list at the bottom of the needed column in the new sheet (Cor) + being afraid of performance issues (Heiko) => WF/NAB * Rename Format - Description menu item + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155044 + rename to "Accessibility Description" (Heiko, Bogdan) + dislike this and suggest "Alt Text" (Stuart) + "Alt Text" would be tech-talk (Gabor) + A description would be useful for all users who care about this (Cor) + "Alt Text" is used in MSO at the a11y sidebar (Heiko) + "Alternative Text" found at U.S. university web sites + "Alt Attribute" Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_attribute => go with "Alt Text"; add hint for translators OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-04
Present: Heiko Comments: Roman, Miguel, Julien, Stephane Tickets/Topics * Impress: Master Slide deck in Sibebar should have Title, Footers and more options + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154903 + Master Elements... allows to disable the footer (and header for Notes); no need to split and make it a primary control (Heiko) => resolve WF/NAB * Pasting into a cell should make it change to edit mode + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154781 + disagree, easy to switch (Roman) + disagree, in edit mode you cannot go to another cell (Heiko) + pasting must not overwrite content (OP)- but that's the common workflow; and would be a fact for multiple cells (Heiko) => resolve WF/NAB * Add an item to the context menu of a chart object to enter text box edit mode + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141841 + suppress text edit mode (F2) for charts (Heiko) => change summary to suppress text edit mode * User dictionary: auto-learn new words + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154954 + disagree, not clear when correct (Miguel) + disagree, easy to add (Julien) + interesting idea, optional and off by default (Stephane) + rather realize per macro (Heiko) => resolve WF/NAB * Optimal width/height of merged cells + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142515 + merged cells cannot be optimized; overflow indicator needed? + no good solution, resizing first/last is odd, all an option (Eike) + OT: we should show an overflow indicator pointing downwards (Heiko) => resolve WF/NAB and create follow-up ticket OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-26
Present: Cor, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Mike, Ady, Ilmari Tickets/Topics * Replace string is empty + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 + no need, WF (Stuart) + pro: common behavior, annoying to reselect, con: easy to do, danger of accidently replacing when just searching (Eyal) + last items are remembered but prefer to not auto select since destructive functions should be guarded (Cor, Heiko) => WF * The default width of Calc columns should be a bit narrower + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154788 + change the default col width? + better use a proper template (Mike) + expected length should be taken into account (Ady) + Excel too narrow, 2cm more appealing but very much personal taste (Cor) => let's run a poll on social media * "Apply border and shadow" option should be removed from AutoCaption dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154686 + unclear function, no idea what it is good for (all) + blame anyone? (Eyal)- string dates back when the UI was created from previous *.src file + just hide/drop the UI control (Heiko) + prefer to dig into the issue aka bug (Cor) + charts apparently don't get the autocaption (Heiko) => bug, needsDevAdvice * UI: "augmented reality" hovering mode (immediate display of underlying formulas etc.) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147326 + maybe as extension (Ilmari) + use case a bit unclear, but seems not to be a frequent use case (Eyal) + would be a clumsy interaction; and very slow with the tooltip delay (Heiko) + tooltip would clash with Tools > Options > Calc > View > Formula Indicator and Hint (Heiko) + wonder if View > Value Highlighting is sufficient (Cor, Eyal) => ask OP if that sufficient OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-20
Present: Heiko Comments: Csongor, Eyal Tickets/Topics * RULER: Improve dragging indents + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154098 + MSO has three buttons allowing all interactions (Csongor) + one more click is not crucial (Eyal) + question is whether users understand the workflow (Heiko) => let's do it if someone volunteers * UI: Add Compress image dialog to the Image properties dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154699 + no image properties on Draw/Impress (Heiko) + makes sense and allows easy fixing of other issues (Csongor) + compression is a one-way and irreversible action while any other attribute can be undone (Eyal) + compression information makes sense (Eyal) => yes to info and access button but no to execution * Autocorrect uses language-specific quotation marks for other languages + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153989 + quotes are bound to locale, ie. << in Switzerland but " in German + sounds desirable to define it with the language => go for it * Autocorrect dialog should offer starting-ending quote pairs more conveniently + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153988 + depending on the implementation above it requires a dropdown + unicode character dialog allows to search for names => NAB/WF * LanguageTool Server - GUI/UX enhancement of the settings + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154306 + improvement of UI makes sense but should be simple (Heiko) + three state might be the way to go (Eyal) => submit mockup OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-12
Present: Heiko Comments: Ezinne, Miguel, Ady, Eyal, Regina, Roman Tickets/Topics * Add an option to warn when autofill overwrites existing data (turned off by default) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150739 + appreciate a warning (Ezinne) + we have an advanced option (Miguel) + we must not interrupt the workflow with a messagebox (Heiko) + potential solution in bug 154466 "Overwriting data warnings should be an undo notice, not confirm dialog (UX)" + message could interrupt too (Ady) + but the infobar doesn't (ideally disappearing after some seconds) (Heiko) => show an infobar with the option to Undo * FIELD DIALOG: Add possibility to assign character style to the field + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153537 + fields shouldn't be formatted at all (Eyal) => resolve as WF * Improvement of CALC diagrams + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147232 + uncomfortable to work with a diagram which is up to 200 x 90 cm + Export as PNG allows to change the image size / dpi (Regina) + scaling labels could be done with a chart style changing the font size from 12pt to 6pt for example, see bug 62925 or bug 90490 (Heiko) + excluding the wall to have the exact size of the (inner) diagram is possible manually but might be a valuable enhancement + however, it's not clear if this is needed so we better resolve WF => WF * Rename Presentation Styles to Drawing Style + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154492 + presentation styles are used in the master view primarily (Regina) + but changing the background color or the bullets is always possible (Heiko) + renaming might be an option but it would still be used as a style + disagree with renaming (Roman) + changing master attributes in the normal edit mode is a desired feature; it is understood as a style and changing the name wont alter workflow or design + the documentation could deserve some improvement, see https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/lo/text/simpress/01/0510.html => forward to documentation OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-06
Present: Gabby, Rizal, Abdallah, Heiko Comments: Tickets/Topics * No option to select "Delete Comment" via a letter press in the context menu + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154389 + quick way to solve is to assign any mnemonic and require user to press it twice + better solution would be to improve the auto assignment algorithm to find some key + better solution (Gabby) + using the main menu would be _Sheet > Cell _Comments > _Delete Comment + the issue happens only for the context menu => fix it programmatically * Add option to use approximate/fuzzy string matching to whole of dictionary + word completion for more aggressive autocorrection + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125433 + add option "auto correct typos up to n letter" + probably not the right approach since typos mix letters like Borwser => Browser + we do not have probability for the suggestions and cannot decide if autocorrect would be appropriate => desirable function, up to developers to figure out how to do * Improve Calc's Format > Align Text menu's contents and labels + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154410 + toolbar buttons work as expected and reverting a toggle state brings back the default alignment + the menu seems to be a toggle function too but cannot untoggle + "Default" would be some kind opf radio button functionality and not the toggle on/off anymore; it opens Pandora's box for all the menus with on/off attributes => fix the menu problem but don't add a Default item * FORMATTING: "Keep aspect ratio" checkbox of images or photos not always honoured + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80281 + proportional scaling for images is enabled when using the mouse and we should do the same when working with the dialog + check "Keep ratio" in the Position & Size dialog by default for images (Gabby) => do it * Change label for .uno:InsertIndexesEntry and label and tooltip for .uno:IndexEntryDialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153847 + proposal is Insert Index Entry, and it was solved meanwhile => thanks for the work OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-29
Present: John, Alejandro, Heiko Comments: Stuart Tickets/Topics * Customize dialog is too big to display on 1280x800 laptop screen + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154021 + resolved NOB, Gnome theme occupies white space excessively (Stuart) + reducing font size solved the problem (Vince, OP) + we might be able to reduce the number of shown items in the lists (Heiko) + we should consider to adjust the minimum required size (John) + 1280x800 is still common (Heiko) + most users are on Windows (John) + don't make it worse for the vast majority (John) => keep ticket in WF/NAB state * Clone format of unmerged cells breaks up merging, applies to first unmerged cell only + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153899 + merging cells with the keep option does exactly this, we must not format hidden cells + copying/cloning merged cells takes merge state into account, however, applying a format via cell style, which is the supposed workflow does not + cloning the merged state is a convenience feature => WF/NAB * Comment indicator is too small, non-circumspect, easy to miss + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154080 + indicators have changed recently and are easy to spot at 100% but still somewhat harder at 200% + indicators can be controlled by TOCV > Text Overflow resp. Comment indicator + keeping the UI and the interaction simple is the best, meaning no flashing for example + changing the comment color is interesting + corner case, hard to believe it's needed by many => move checkboxes and colors for text overflow and comment indicator into application color (easy hack w. medium to interesting difficulty) * Insert Caption and Caption Options dialogs have a mix of settings affecting the whole category or only current caption + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153248 + excellent mockup in bug 148597 comment 20 + seems to be powerful, and makes it more consistent (John) + useful for power users (John) => interesting GSoC project OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-23
Present: Eyal, Gabby, Heiko Comments: Regina, Ilmari, Seth, Waleed, Miguel, Mike, Jan-Marek Tickets/Topics * No UI for flipping the column order of a table + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153995 + duplicate to bug 116948 (UNO command to switch left/right columns resp. upper/lower rows) and bug 99457 (Ability to move rows, columns using one hand and preserving all existing content) - which is not the request here + assuming a table is done in western with column headers from left to right the request is to easily flip the whole table to RTL so the last column would be the first etc. + could be somehow combined to autoformat/table style but is actually not changing attributes on the cell level + similar function is known in Calc as transpose to flip rows/columns + Calc offers an option to flip the whole sheet from LTR to RTL + ideally we have a state on Draw/Impress as well as Writer tables as known from Calc Sheet > Right-To-Left that switches the whole table; if this requires modifications to ODF a simple UNO command doing the flipping is acceptable too + implementing as macro sounds also interesting but since it is likely a more frequently used feature that deserves a dedicated function => do it * When selecting a cell or table row/column, "Position & Size" regards entire table + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151338 + need for precise cell size is duplicate of bug 151337 (Can't change table row height without selecting the row) but request is actually about disabling the function unless the whole table is selected (Ilmari) + rename to "Position and Size of Table" or hide when in cell context (Eyal) + P is a generic function also relevant for ordinary shapes (Heiko) + keep the current state (Gabby) + change P to "P of Shape" or Object -> wouldn't solve anything (Eyal) + it is an issue and we should leave it open (Eyal) => follow Eyal's suggestion and rename summary to "Change label of P depending on context" * Use of "numbering" instead of "bullets"/"bulleting" for bulleted list + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153986 + Bullets & Numbering > Position/Customize "number*" for unordered types? + easy to understand, no need to change (Seth) + drop "numbering" (Gabby, Heiko), use "Listing" (Waleed) + use "number/bullet alignment" (Eyal) => drop "numbering", easyhack * Show small preview in Position & Size dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154026 + total slide is not show and position/size in relation is unclear (Eyal) + entering exact values comes likely with knowing the slide/page (Heiko) + when zoomed in you don't know the slide size; and in the slide preview it's not clear what object is selected (Eyal) + having a preview is always nice and convenient (Gabby) => do it; low priority * Export as PDF only exports text selected (if text selected) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152304 + revise bug 54908 or make the selection more clear + using selection is the default and convenience feature (Miguel) + printing a selection is rarely the default (Telesto #139164 c10) + default to whole document (Mike, Jmux #139164 c13) + use a dialog (Mike #54908 c26) + always clicking yes in such a dialog is annoying in case a selection is done intentionally + use a highlighting color for automatically selected options like showing "Selection" in red (Heiko) + has some drawbacks too + add an extra command for "Export Selection to PDF" which starts both the same dialog (Eyal) + would be only for PDF not other export/print command + leave print as it is + could also be a command in the context menu + or just rename the command(s) if a selection is active + probability of accidentally having something selected vs. intentionally is low; and we have a proper feedback with the preview (Gabby) + disagree, in particular objects on other pages are easily selected (Eyal) + add a checkbox "[x] Ask for confirmation" or "[x] Ask for confirmation during the session" to suppress confirmation in special scenarios (Heiko) + feels like we cannot decide (Eyal) + make a duplicate (Heiko) + some users might consider Export different to Print (Eyal) => make a duplicate anyway and comment on the ticket OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-15
Present: Cor, Heiko Comments: Dieter, Stephane, Jim, Eyal, Regina, Caolan, Andrea Tickets/Topics * Keyboard short cut to traverse over open modules + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147219 + could be a UNO command to access uno:WindowList or some Alt+W+ mnemonic (Heiko) + isn't it a question of the OS, eg. alt+^ switches between windows of the active application in Gnome (Cor) => function welcome, comment on ticket * MASTER DOCUMENT: In navigator 'Insert -> File' should be 'Insert -> Text File' to be more precise + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153666 + agree with renaming (Dieter) + Insert from the popup menu is the same as Insert > Text from File... and unifying the labels makes sense (Heiko) + "Insert > Insert from File" replaces the current text while Insert > File adds the document into a new section (Cor) + rename to "Text Document" to make it clear what type of document can be loaded (Heiko) + could be misunderstood as ASCII text or RTF files (Cor) => resolve WF/NAB also to keep the help * In Writer, there should be 3 types of hyperlinks + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153740 + somewhat over-engineering (Dieter) + if, it should be done for all types (Stephane) + easy-hackable (Jim) + some options like a) different underlining, b) split the hyperlink section in the navigator, c) add icons (Heiko) + a) not so good, b) could have merits, c) clutters (Eyal) + hovering over the entry shows the type (Cor) => use case needed to make coding necessary * Request: Rename "Square" gradient to "Rectangle" gradient in the UI + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154071 + a) "Square" -> "Rectangle", b) "Quadratic" -> "Quadratic (square)" + +1 for a) -0.5 for b) with the explanation in brackets (Heiko) + needed for transition (Regina) + agree with both (Eyal) + we need to make sure that renaming wont affect legacy documents (Cor) + "Rectangular" and as a compromise "Square (Quadratic)" using the old name in brackets (Heiko) => do it * Impress: Improve search for animations + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149015 + easy-hackable (Caolan) + consistency is prime (Eyal, Heiko) => do it * Bring back the transparency option + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154140 + moving this option into expert settings make sense (Heiko) + it's also about accessibility (Andreas) + option is not specific to Calc; was probably added to deal with performance issues with transparency back in the year dot (Cor) + if it is a FAQ we should consider to bring it back (Cor) => will ask for more info (Cor) OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-09
Present: Denisia, Eyal, Rizal, Heiko Comments: Jan, Seth, Cor, Ady, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Make Calc text hyperlinks stand out more + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153880 + keep consistent with themes (Cor) + underlining is fine, no option needed (Denisia) => do it * [UI] Paragraph Heading levels & Text Body + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153735 + rename the outline level “Text Body” to Body Text, No heading, None + Body Text would be fine, and is widely used (Denisia) + not logical and somewhat ambiguous with the PS Text Body (Eyal, Heiko) + [None] as it used across the app (Seth) => let's use "[None]" * Indicate slide direction when it is out-of-view + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149362 + show indicators at what direction the active slide is + when focus is in the side pane pressing up/down scrolls (Heiko) + there is an info in the statusbar (Denisia) + implementing tdf#151170 makes this request obsolete (Heiko) + changing standard controls is mostly worsen usability (Heiko) + would retreat if the idea does not get support (Eyal) => resolve WF * Revert commit of Bug 91415 - Scale Calc's comment indicator with zoom level (please, do not) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153106 + zoom out is supposed to make the indicator less overlapping (Ady) + triangles make better use of space than rectangles (Denisia) + triangles are visually appealing and the actual issue should be addressed differently, eg by hiding the indicators (Stuart) + triangles are fine but zoom is questionable (Eyal) + suggest to adjust the steps and/or make the indicator smaller rather than reverting (Heiko) + scaling supports a11y; and Google sheers has the same trouble (Denisia) + example with less dependency to zoom, accepted (Eyal) => go with a compromise with a small scaling factor and a slightly smaller indicator * Function Suggestion: hotkey contains 'serial' key combinations + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153302 + would be an option, could help people with a large number of shortcuts, shortcuts with a hierarchy makes it easier to remember (Eyal) + hard to customize, feedback unclear, burden of implementation and maintenance, restriction not so simple, eg. ctrl+s followed by ctrl+o possible? (Heiko) + could be a nice extension (Eyal) + alt+mnemonics are sequential (Jan) + legitimate request, should remain open (Eyal, Denisia) => reopen and comment OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-01
Present: John, Cor, Heiko Comments: Ilmari, Stuart, Adolfo, Ady, Stephane Tickets/Topics * Emphasize the entry the mouse pointer is over in the Writer Navigator content tree + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152775 + question is not whether to highlight the content in the document but to draw the tree node in bold (Ilmari) + no reason, no use case, WF (Heiko) + unclear whether the boldness requires the node to be clicked (Cor) + if so, it would be inconsistent with hoover = highlight feature => comment and ask for a use case * Rename "Chapter -> Heading" and "E# -> H#" in Entries tab of Insert Table of Contents, Index, Bibliography dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153561 + naming of entries (E) and headings (E#) is confusing, change to H#? + see also bug 153712 for CI => HI and bug 148597 for captions + changing C to H should be consistent over all kind of indices (Cor) => go ahead * Calc 7.5 tiny formula bar font for japanese + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153727 + allow changing the font size or all font attributes? + see also https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88141 + see comment 17 for options + WFM (Stuart) + follow the cell format d) (Adolfo) + would result in terrible jumping UI (Ady) + duplicate of 88141 and valid (Cor) + prefer a generic option, b) from the list (Cor, Stuart) + prefer a dedicated solution aka f), meaning a special place for long text or showing per tooltip (Heiko) + variant c), some kind of zoom feature on the formula bar eg. ctrl+wheel, would be hard to figure out and lacks on feedback (Heiko) + following the document zoom factor aka e) is acceptable, however (Heiko) + has been removed for bug 127066 (Stuart) + remember to keep the UI simple (John) => make a dup and comment on 88141 * Support/default to a non-white page background in Dark Mode + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153334 + duplicate of bug 152184 (Stephane) + convincing argument is to use the night shift and expect the app colors to follow (Heiko) + ditch the ability to create own AC (Heiko) + switching between two color sets require it to be available but the current implementation allows to have any number and name; you cannot trust in these user-defined sets; making it a hard-coded is the only way to ensure two colors per item are available + simplification is desirable, just a switch for light/dark (John) + people use the color scheme customization option (Cor) + suggest to trust in the predefined scheme names and if there is no "LibreOffice Dark" scheme a warning would be shown (Cor) => comment * Groupedbar Compact UI : missing "columns..." entry of the "format" menu of the menu bar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151430 + add Format > Columns / .uno:FormatColumns to the UI or the menus + adding items should be balanced with the need, add only if crucial for the work (John) + add to the Insert menu (Heiko, Cor) => do it OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-15
Hi Eyal, the meeting agenda is always announced in advance. This time it was on Wednesday what I assume to be possible for you. You could have sent a notice to postpone a topic. Flagging tickets as to-be-discussed sounds easy but adds noise to the report and wouldn't solve your problem. For the two topics from yesterday I think one was unanimously resolved/NAB and the other considered to not benefit the modification. Please don't understand input from UX as a gatekeeper to the development, you are free to reopen tickets and seek for response from other people. Cheers, Heiko On 15.02.23 22:41, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: Heiko, you again scheduled bugs of mine for a discussion without taking a moment to check whether I can join the meeting. I asked you not to do that and I'm asking you again. This is unfair, especially after I've explicitly asked that you not do that. The treatment of these bugs is usually entirely different based on whether I attend the session or not. What seems to happen when I'm not there is that the case for the issue is not made seriously, and thus objections or claims which I would probably be able to convincingly rebut or disprove are stated and accepted with no retort or objection. Now, I won't deny that this is not something specific to bugs I file: A user who does not have design committee participant support from the get-go, and who does not attend a committee session, will often not have any participant serve as the advocate or champion for that bug / that user - and may not get a "fair shake" in the evaluation of their bug. The difference in my case that you know that I can occasionally - but not always nor most times - attend. And session agendae are announced just a single day in advance, and not on the relevant bug pages - so, not enough time for me to notice. Finally, it is usually the case that multiple bugs I have filed are placed on the agenda for the same session, i.e. there are "Eyal's filings sessions", which are scheduled without me being able to react. This is quite inappropriate and I again ask that you stop doing that. Either ping me before scheduling my filings, or make the announcement a good number of days in advance. Also, and for the benefit of other bug filers, it would not be a bad idea to post a comment on the pages of bugs which are about to come up in committee, about the upcoming committee session. Eyal On 15/02/2023 22:21, Heiko Tietze wrote: Present: John, Cor, Heiko Comments: Stuart, John, Pedro, Rafael Tickets/Topics * Styles Preview should be able to show a grid of list styles (Tabbed UI) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153525 + a "More..." button could open the Stylist in the sidebar (Stuart, Heiko) + could be a small expander button on the lower right edge (Cor) + strong support for a Tabbed NB in general and completely implemented features in particular (John, Pedro, Rafael) + take the full space is easy to achieve, expanding into a list might a bit more difficult => do it * Most bundled page styles are nonsensical and/or redundant + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153534 + every single page style has a use case (Cor) + never had any problems with the list of page styles (John) + the (small) list can also be filtered (Heiko) => resolve WF/NAB * Style organizer's "Next style"'s function not clear to user + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153600 + label and help is clear (John) + labeling it "Next paragraph style" adds no information and it's reasonably clear what the dialog/label is talking about (Cor) => resolve WF/NAB * Editing:- Feature Request "go to - special" feature needed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149933 + introduce function to search for special content like blanks, constants etc. sounds like a good idea (Cor) + would be a comfortable shortcut for many searches (Heiko) + alternatively we could have a special entry in the sidebar + would be inconsistent as blank evaluates data while the existing Navigator options detect model content (Cor) => do it * Change "heading level" to "outline level" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152605 + see comment 14 for (tentatively accepted) proposal + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153499 + use index level for index entry outlines + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153596 + see also ToC dialog => consistency in naming is good, go for it * Permit "No User Input" as a data validation which would then permit filter sorting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149497 + reasonable request
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-15
Present: John, Cor, Heiko Comments: Stuart, John, Pedro, Rafael Tickets/Topics * Styles Preview should be able to show a grid of list styles (Tabbed UI) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153525 + a "More..." button could open the Stylist in the sidebar (Stuart, Heiko) + could be a small expander button on the lower right edge (Cor) + strong support for a Tabbed NB in general and completely implemented features in particular (John, Pedro, Rafael) + take the full space is easy to achieve, expanding into a list might a bit more difficult => do it * Most bundled page styles are nonsensical and/or redundant + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153534 + every single page style has a use case (Cor) + never had any problems with the list of page styles (John) + the (small) list can also be filtered (Heiko) => resolve WF/NAB * Style organizer's "Next style"'s function not clear to user + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153600 + label and help is clear (John) + labeling it "Next paragraph style" adds no information and it's reasonably clear what the dialog/label is talking about (Cor) => resolve WF/NAB * Editing:- Feature Request "go to - special" feature needed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149933 + introduce function to search for special content like blanks, constants etc. sounds like a good idea (Cor) + would be a comfortable shortcut for many searches (Heiko) + alternatively we could have a special entry in the sidebar + would be inconsistent as blank evaluates data while the existing Navigator options detect model content (Cor) => do it * Change "heading level" to "outline level" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152605 + see comment 14 for (tentatively accepted) proposal + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153499 + use index level for index entry outlines + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153596 + see also ToC dialog => consistency in naming is good, go for it * Permit "No User Input" as a data validation which would then permit filter sorting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149497 + reasonable request + (Standard/Auto-) Filter work on protected sheets + Sorting should work too, at least optional (Cor) + afraid of data integrity issues aka references to a certain cell that changes after sorting (Heiko) + option should not be at data validation but at the protect sheet dialog among the other exceptions (Heiko) + has the drawback that it applies to the whole sheet (Cor) => allow users to permit sorting -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-09
Present: Cor, Heiko Comments: Stephane, Andre Tickets/Topics * Format->Text menu name is confusing in Calc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153300 + rename Format > Text to Format > Character in Calc (and maybe also other modules too) + menu items consist of Font and Font Effects from the dialog (Stephane) + Font Effects might fit but font weight wouldn't be included + Writer has a menu item "Character..." (Heiko) + "Text formatting", not a better solution though (Cor) => no good solution, this has to be learned; WF * Enhancement Request: Exclude some pages from field "Page Count" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153259 + flag on page break to exclude single pages from counting (Andre) + very impractical since the hard page break is assigned to the 1st paragraph (Cor) One would need to add extra hard page breaks for each .. + page style attribute to suppress counting pages (Heiko) + bug 71583 requests individual counting and should be closed + has probably a use case (Cor) but should be realized as document information and not taken into a variable (Heiko) + requires a new flag in ODF => do it as page style * Insert Caption and Caption Options dialogs have a mix of settings affecting the whole category or only current caption + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153248 + "local" and "global" settings is one dialog is very confusing (Stéphane) + Yes - clearly indicating is a must. (Cor) but it may prevent the need of extra dialogs + discussed with Stephane and we clarified the issues; have to work on it (Heiko) => comment later * LO should retain selection on first document when interacting with second document + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152744 + selection color needs to be dimmed (Cor) + maybe the reason why it is not shown at all (Heiko) => worth to do * Revert commit of Bug 91415 - Scale Calc's comment indicator with zoom level (please, do not) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153106 + want to ponder over it (Cor) asking a question for clarification - don't get the real problem + wild idea: draw text/numbers with background; that would cover the comment indicator; but we seem to not have this option on a quick glance (Heiko) => keep open for now OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-01
Present: Hossein, John, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Mike, Stuart, Regina, Stéphane Tickets/Topics * Wrong cursor position when deleting a selection in Show Changes mode + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109272 + similar bug 137972 "Correcting with spell checker context menu places cursor at the left (previously right)" and (duplicate) bug 149854 "Track Changes: replace of the first letter of a word is not consistent; new character at the left or right of deleted one depending on how" + behavior is different for selection and includes the paragraph break (Hossein) + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple-click + Feature request -> triple click + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98694 + how many people care (John) - a couple, see duplicate + jumping to the end of the selection after deletion if track changes is enabled is beneficial (John) + it's a pity to abstain from the straight-forward implementation we have (Heiko) => do it * Backup copies of all files are saved to a single folder + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150148 + add option to overwrite the default path to save with the document source (Mike) + saving documents from different modules always ends up in *.bak files + MSO does not allow files from different applications having the same name like test.xlsx and test.docx (Hossein, John) + add checkbox under Load/Save > General underneath and indented to Always create backup copies "[ ] Overwirte backup path and use document folder" + not overwriting by adding or /date/random number would be an alternative and is used by MSO (Hossein) + MSO saves for example C:\Users\\appdata\roaming\microsoft\... Test((310124753096842400)).asd + see also https://www.ubackup.com/backup-restore/backup-word-documents.html + it is a nightmare to align these documents with the origin (Heiko) + using the document folder is common; would make this the default and drop the backup folder (Eyal) + alternatively using subfolders might be a solution (Eyal) + yet another alternative is to hold the path of the original file as a property of the backup copy; not very friendly for manual inspection by users, but precludes the need for complex mapping/decoding of weird extensions and codes (Eyal) => comment on ticket * Change label "Separator" to "Before Caption" and "Numbering separator" to "After numbering" in Caption dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153242 + agree with the need to change (Stéphane) + would prefer better documentation (Heiko) + "Numbering separator" is unclear + dont like the suggestion as both are "before the caption", changing the label is welcome however (Eyal) + MSO requests manual input of caption separator (:) and provides "use separator" with a set of single characters for chapters (Hossein) + unclear how it works (Eyal) => comment on the ticket * Please provide a user preference to disable inheriting the system UI theme + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153229 + dark mode works now (Stuart), themes may help (Regina) + Use [( ) Dark ( ) Light ( ) System] options instead of multiple options (Hossein) + It is possible to use dark mode per application in different platforms with platform specific settings. We can use them in LibreOffice. (Hossein) $ GTK_THEME=Adwaita:dark soffice https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/185115 + prefer the addition of system colors to application colors together with the ability to use gradients and bitmaps and have some kind of "libreoffice theme" that could also be shared via extension (Heiko) + majority of users would be happy with a switch for bright/dark (system) colors (softmaker/onlyoffice does it very well); and many user wont find/search for the supposed extensions (John, Eyal) => comment on ticket OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-26
Present: Heiko Comments: Rafael, Eike, Cor, Stephane Tickets/Topics * Cannot turn off section boundaries with Options-Application Colors + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129905 + remove the special color for section boundaries or fix the issue => issue has been resolved fixed by Rafael * Tool names are different between the toolbar and Visible Buttons list + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153065 + use the contextlabel instead tooltip for the hint on toolbar buttons + show the tooltip additionally if extended tips are enabled => lets give it a try * Track changes in a spreadsheet shows the most recent change in a transaction instead of the change from the start of that transaction + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149163 + show original + last modification in TC comment would be misleading if someone else made changes in between (Eike) * -Update Index- to add MS Office option + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153079 + add "Update Page Numbers Only" to ToC + appreciated (Cor, Stephane) => let's add the function * Allow overlap option for Frame and Graphics styles should be disabled by default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149376 + either block insert image when an image is selected or do insert but move slightly down/right + insert image onto a shape applies it as background => one of the two options * Please remove the "finished" dialog after restoring Documents + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153168 + auto-finish if everything was successful (Rafael) + maybe after a short delay like 500ms (Heiko) => do it OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-18
Present: Cor, John, Heiko Comments: Roman, Khaled Tickets/Topics * Open object preferences or options with F4 (and add description to context menus) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152978 + since we cannot use a shortcut for multiple actions this requires to introduce a new UNO command which delivers it contextually (Heiko) + F4 is currently assigned to different commands in the various dialogs (Roman) + simply exec .uno:TransformDialog on F4 in Writer but not Calc (Cor) + this reduces inconsistency (Cor, John) + dislike the idea to block a precious shortcut by a not frequently used function (Heiko); function keys should be global shortcuts doing the same everywhere like F6 (a11y) or F2 (edit) + like the idea to have one shortcut for _any_ properties, though => go ahead * Show the current View Layout option in the status bar, without relying on color + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146579 + one option is to trust icon designers to create easy to distinct icons + draw a rectangle around the icon makes sense too (John, Cor) + same problem at the page view tab, yet with blue => try with a rectangle * Ease use of Unicode control characters for bidirectionality, e.g. RLI and PDI + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152125 + introduce UNO command that inserts control codes before and after selection (Heiko) + make existing LTR/RTL selection-dependent (Khaled) => let the RTL people decide * LANGUAGE SETTINGS: An option to add to writing aids + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152441 + requested minimum word length does not work for short words (eg "teh") + better to add the word to the user dictionary or to use NONE as language for the selection blocking the spell-checking => resolve WF * Improve Business Card Help Page + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152122#c8 + no need to make two different functions look identical (John) + option is to have one tab "Address" and put Private and Business under this tab - not worth the effort (Heiko) + or add "Address" to Private/Business - not solving any issue => NAB/WF OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-12
Sorry for your inconvenience. I use to announce the agenda on the design mailing list every Tuesday, and in case you want to participate you could ask to postpone a topic. Ultimately we discuss topics and make recommendations. It's of course nice to have someone in the call supporting the idea but this can be done on Bugzilla as well. On 12.01.23 14:51, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: I have to protest meeting in which most bugs up for discussion are ones I've either filed or have been part of the discussion on, scheduled without consulting me regarding the time. I'm at work in the afternoon and can usually not attend at these hours. And then of course when I'm not there, naturally, there is typically nobody to argue for the idea nor to address reservations which are first brought up in the design meeting rather than on the bug page. OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-12
Present: Cor, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Eyal, Seth, Dieter, Mike Tickets/Topics * PS formatting gets lost, if you paste text into an new document with same name of PS, but different settings + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138786 + keep target style when pasting a source with the same PS (Heiko) or let the user confirm (Dieter) or provide some kind of paste special option (Mike) + unclear use case (Heiko) + is a bug: pasting styled content should take the formatting from the source if the style is unused, otherwise the target style + works for some but not all styles (Cor) => bug for the particular style * "Drawing Style" should be renamed "Drawing Object Style" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152656 + +1 (Stuart), -1 (Roman, Heiko), challenge for "Default Drawing Style" + "Default Object Style" or "Default Style" or "Default Drawing-Object Style" (Eyal) + not worth the effort (Cor) => resolve WF * Change "outline level" to "heading level" in UI and help pages for Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152605 + "Chapter and Outline Numbering", here "Heading Level" (Stuart) + "Heading and Outline Numbering" (Eyal) misleading as the request is about *Outline Level* supposedly named "Heading Level" (Seth) + just "Level"; the Level is defined in a "*Chapter* numbering" dialog; could be "Numbering level" (Heiko) + no improvement so rather keep it (Heiko) + agree to "Heading Level" but we also have a frame label; and the tab itself is named "Outline & List" (Cor) + afraid of unknown consequences (Cor) => recommend to keep "outline level" * Introduce a Slide/Page style category in Impress + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152655 + provide kind of direct formatting opportunity via sidebar for many different options (Eyal) + unclear relation to master slides, everything should be covered (Cor) + introducing a new style means to trigger the standardization and to add the new feature ultimately to every application (Heiko) + it will bring _more_ complexity to the users.. + better improve gaps in master slide implementation (Cor) => invalid request * "Hybrid PDF" must share embedded media between the ODT and the proper PDF + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152661 + excessive increase in size (Eyal) + do understand the issue - would be nice if that can be avoided, but.. + PDF and ODF are different formats, keeping both at full length has its value (Stuart, Heiko) + likely requires to change every PDF reader to access media from a shared-data section - or to update all ODF writer/reader and the standardization to do so (Cor) => WF OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Dec-21
Present: Heiko Comments: Jim, Mike, Roman, Eyal, Stuart, Miguel Tickets/Topics * Navigator: Proposal to combine Comment category context menu items 'Show All' and 'Hide All' to check menu item 'Show Comments in Document' + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147864 + change hide/show into "[x] Show Comments" and remove "by author" flavors (Jim) + not going to fly when "show comments by " is realized (Mike) + remove the hide/deletebyauthor functions (Heiko) => no support for removal of functions, comment * Right-click context menu for line numbering area should show line-numbering-related items + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152556 + agree with the proposal (Roman) + focus remains within the document margins so no we do not have a line numbering context (Heiko) + clicking an area is contextual even when the focus doesn't change (Eyal) => different views, comment * Assign + to .uno:DeleteColumns in Calc for shortcut parity as with Tables in Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152522 + shortcut was removed with the 3s timer but help not updated (Stuart) + assigning the shortcut is possible but not too helpful (Stuart) + Alt+Delete is assigned to "Delete Columns" in Writer, either we do the same for Calc or remove it in Writer (Heiko) + if we add the shortcut we should first of all consider to assign something to "Delete rows", maybe Shift+Alt+Delete (Heiko) => no clear decision, comment * Automatically extend the chart data source range when adding rows at the end + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42196 + inserting a line between start/end adds it to the data range; before start or after end does not unless the option "Expand references when new rows/columns are added" is checked (Miguel) + adding data to the end is usually done without adding a row and should be detected (Miguel) + maybe enable SID_SC_INPUT_REF_EXPAND by default (Heiko) => unclear impact, comment and needsDevAdvice OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Dec-15
Present: Rizal, Heiko Comments: Miguel, Stuart, Gerhard, Eyal, Cor Tickets/Topics * Improve the wording of "JREs already installed" list title, to remove confusion + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152453 + "Installed in the system, select one for use with LibreOffice:" (Miguel) + "Select the JRE you want to use with LibreOffice:" (Heiko) + "Java runtime environments (JRE) already installed. Select one:" (Stuart) + not always multiple JRE installed, maybe make it dependent (Rizal) => no best solution for non-native speaker, up to the doer * Dedicated sidebar deck for table-related functions + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152481 + appreciated (Stuart) + Does the table section fill a dedicated tab? yes (Rizal) + Is switching between the Table and the Properties tab necessary? + no, but it's not intuitive to switch to the table tab (Rizal) + automatically switching would be bad (Rizal, Heiko) => go for it, answer the questions on BZ * Writer Impress : the image compression form should change the image resolution only if it decreases + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145161 + hide resolutions above the original dpi rate (Heiko) + we cannot hide predefined resolutions as it is bound to width/height and users can enter some large value increasing the resolution + the wording with "Reduce" is incorrect and we should change it to "Change image resolution to:" (Rizal) + also change "Compress Image"? (Rizal) + wouldn't touch it because users are familiar with this name and the respective, usual functionality (Heiko) + alternatively we could also use a maximum for Width/Height => do it * Add option to remove trailing spaces in the Basic IDE + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94524 + laymen would benefit but experts know what they do (Rizal) + welcome the change, no harm in it (Cor) + no harm in trailing spaces, no benefit in the function (Gerhard) + known from IDEs (Eyal) + have a special function/command to trim or do on save/run? + "beautifier" (in case the function is enhanced later) are usually started manually (Rizal, Rafael) => do it * Simple clicking a module gives the impression that this module has the view + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145269 + wouldn't expect a different highlighting, the info is shown somewhere (Rafael) + same issue for the Stylist (and ticket) with the recommendation to use a grayish color for the active yet not selected style => do this here as well, link tickets OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Dec-07
Present: Cor, Eyal, Rayhan, Heiko Comments: Stuart Tickets/Topics * Width property does not work in right-sidebar via "Position and Size" panel + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146609 + change line "width" to thickness or stroke weight, and keep width/height (Stuart) + should be done in both sidebar and dialog + "Position and Size of Bounding Box/Area" (Heiko) + too long (Cor) => follow Stuart's proposal * Settings on the image frame style lost when caption is applied + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32485 + "Graphic" is anchored To Paragraph, "Frame" As Character + anchoring is not part of the frame style + anchor it "to character" by default to comply with the latest effort in anchoring (Heiko) + in fact the graphic is anchored "to character" but the "Graphic" style is using To Paragraph + actual problem is that there is no space between image and caption (Eyal) + applying the distance below an image, is nice if there is a reasonable small distance set, say 0.5 cm. Then applying that spacing for a caption is wonderful :) (Cor) + But if you have a distance of say 2 cm set, you definitely do not want that applied to the distance of the caption ;) (Cor) + ideally we drop the direct formatting and trust in the frame styles => needsDevEval * Show "more options" symbol also in the tabs + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152357 + add a "more" button to tabs on cost at balanced appearance? + MUFFIN is not a ribbon, customizability is limited (Stuart, Heiko) + we have plenty of UI alternatives (Cor) + Tabbed should be similar to Windows (Eyal) + requires changing the notebookbar so the options group in relation to the dialogs (Cor, Heiko) => keep open * Lines added to bullet list are not animated + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141834 + user expectation is that adding elements take the "group animation" (Cor) + animating additional inserted paragraphs in the object is useful in typical scenarios, but - are we sure it is always the desired behavior? (Eyal) + but it's easier to remove an animation than adding it, if possible at all (Heiko) + might be a duplicate (Cor) + Note that if one adds a paragraph between other paragraphs, it "gains" an animation effect, but the last animated paragraph loses its animation, so that the behavior here is not even consistent (Cor) + Suggest that it be made either a blocker or blocked-by the more general bug about reworking the animations of paragraphs in an object, if one exists (Eyal) => needs some kind of fix, needsDevAdvice * Provide a visual clue when a table is a DDE link to Calc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75375 + should be visualized like a field and receive some feedback dialog (Heiko) => needsDevAdvice OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Dec-01
Present: Heiko Comments: Rafael, Timur, Maxim, Eike, Mike, Dieter Tickets/Topics * Impress: Table design icon without function + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151185 + issue will be obsolete if bug 101802 is done (consolidating table style across modules) (Rafael) + no alternative to access table styles if sidebar is not open (Timur) + sidebar does not toggle and table style has no own deck, which is a requirement to make this function work (Maxim) + make the command list TS management functions (Heiko) wont work for all modules as it was implemented for sd/ only (Maxim) => hide the command at the toolbar, keep it at the notebookbar since this usually runs with closed sidebar; create ticket for extra deck, if not exist * Can't change table row height without selecting the row + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151337 + no option to enter a precise value at all + would expect to get it via spacing before/after and minimum height but this doesn't work at all; and spacing between only adds on top (Heiko) + not really needed in the sd/ context => keep ticket with low priority * Consider removing Attribute Blinking in Find and Replace dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143886 + UI access needed for legacy documents (Eike) + remove and show an infobar top turn it off (Mike) => reopen and follow Mike's idea * CHAPTER NUMBERING DIALOG: Add additional option in numbering sublevels + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152256 + use fields and/or manual input for the extra mile (Heiko) + introduce a checkbox "[ ] Apply numbers of this level to shown sublevels" (Mike, Dieter) => do it * Tools>Options>LibreOffice Writer>Table dialog, "Variable" setting does not work when resizing cells with keyboard shortcut + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139977 + cannot follow the issue, options work well (Heiko) + Label is not clear, better "Behavior of row/columns via shortcut (alt+)" + Documentation needs improvement too => do it OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Nov-23
Present: Eyal, Cor, Bogdan, Shegs, Heiko Comments: many Tickets/Topics * Navigator: State of outline headings is lost when navigator is closed then reopened + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152116 + not worth the effort (Heiko) + would expect the state to remain on collapse/expand (Eyal, Cor) + perhaps not so difficult (Eyal) => remember across the session; needsDevAdvice * Tab key should ignore indent + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150848 + respect the usual tab stop like indent on first line = 5cm should not make the tab jump to 5cm (Eyal) + tab seems to "simulate" indentation and dilutes the workflow (Eyal) + if the tab stop is defined with, for example 1cm, the tab moves to exact this position (Heiko) + tab stop larger than the indent end at the indent + abstain (Cor, Eyal) + tab to indent for zero tabs sounds like a convenience feature (Heiko) => resolve NAB/WF; perhaps worth to add a note to the documentation * Support changing the default sequencing of multiple animations + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151324 + multi-selection is effective and easy to understand, against this (Heiko) + suggest to have it as an option (Eyal) + can follow the idea (Cor) + just remember the last used value? (Heiko) + in line with other workflows (Cor) + would be satisfactory; and should not revert by some circumstances (Eyal) => go for it * Add a protection-against-deletion checkbox to table/index generation dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152111 + same request as last week (change the default) and WF for me (Cor) + another checkbox does not hurt usability, but not convinced (Cor) + workflow is pointless, rare scenario (Heiko) + not so rare, convenient, and regenerating is simple (Eyal) + Navigator makes deletion very easy too, still WF/NAB (Heiko) => close this bug as WF, open the previous and comment there + maybe a good idea to check MSO * TOC for chapter should start at current level+1, not current level + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152075 + start the chapter-ToC on flexible level/outline + nice to have it based on outline levels (Bogdan) + unclear use case for both level and outline position (Heiko) => will summarize the comments OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Nov-17
Present: Cor, Heiko Comments: Rafael, Stuart, Timur Tickets/Topics * Suggestion for a new feature - setting the default border line width + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144141 + suggest to remember the last used value (Rafael, Cor) + one default for all controls (eg. cell / page style in calc, tables in Writer, shapes...) or individually? + makes no sense to have the same setting everywhere so best we remember it individually (Cor) => do it * Make the Erase command accessible via the toolbar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151937 + add .uno:Delete as standard command to context menus + a) resolve WF since LibreOffice requires a keyboard + b) let users customize the command (also WF) (Stuart) + c) to add the function everywhere + d) just add it to one/a few specific context menu + afraid to open pandora's box (Cor) => resolve WF because of customization * Enter group: functionality to add an existing shape to a group is missing + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145359 + Jim submitted a first patch + amazing work, nothing to add => go for it * Allow regular deletion of selection containing an entire generated index/table + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152030 + at creation time and later it is possible to unset the protection flag + the context menu provides delete => not deleting protected content is a safety measure and should be kept -> WF/NAB * Rename Enable very large spreadsheets (16m rows, 16384 cols) option to shorter and more correct + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151155 + simply go with "Enable large spreadsheets" and show details in a tooltip (Heiko) + we have enough space, why bother; and the additional info might be of value for some users (Cor, Timur) => WF/NAB OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA and QA Analyst - from Timur
Hi Timur, very sorry that you feel disappointed, although it's understandable. I'm pretty sure it's not just me who values your work a lot. Your comments always showed much expertise and were of great help to me. It would be very pity if you decide to abandon LibreOffice completely. Many thanks for your work and all the best to you, Heiko On 16.11.22 13:40, Timur Gadzo wrote: Hello fellow QAers Along my LO time, I saw many folks coming and some disapearring (wondering why). Now I was faced with that, I decided to send this message, to explain why it makes no sense for me to be in QA team anymore (1). I was OO user and casual bug reporter since 2005, and then LO user and reporter and increasingly tester for 10+ years now, by nick of Timur. Reporting some hundreds of bugs, but testing much more. I always tried to make a bug clear, retesting and closing or duplicating, renaming, hiding excessive comments. Doing bibisects or more of them in the single bug, with all bibi repos and torments with old versions, using different scripts for automated bibisects. For that I had 2 Windows and 3 Linux with some specific settings as different UI, dark mode, e-mail sending, domain, proxy etc. Sometimes I'd add to wiki. I didn't advertise my work or single bugs in chat/Telegam, I just worked more. Last few years I increased my work so that took me 4 hours/workday, 20 hours/week. Then I saw a vacancy for QA Analyst (2) and applied because I mostly was doing all that already, save reporting. During the next few months I worked on this full 8 hours/day to see how it looks with 40 hours/week. Doing so I finally amounted to 6434 bugs I gave some input to. Although I was regularly in QA reports with my 4 hours, in September I really topped (3). Later I learned I wasn't selected which came as a shock just because of this objectively available input and reports. I wasn't informed who was, I first thought it may be someone who also had a great QA work, like Julien or Rafael or Raal, those who I could also see all the time in reports and Bugzilla while not being part of TDF or companies, like Justin or MIke etc. I asked for something that could be helpful to me: what were my shortcomings that overturned my years long work, and consequently what were the crucial advantages of the chosen candidate. To add an insult to the injury, I got no explanation although I asked the same twice. I'm especially disappointed that Xisco didn't respond in any way, after so many years. Recently I learned who was selected for the position of QA Analyst, someone by nick of stragu. Seems that he was active in LO for years, with input to some 735 bugs by the time of selection. While it's considerable, it's not near my devotion and input nor it was in the 1st tier of LO QA. Unless there were some other values in selection. I don't doubt that selected candidate can achieve expected level, but he simply wasn't there at the time of selection, as seen in the previous and the most recent report (4). Lesson learned in the harder way is that it's approximately of the same value in TDF to triage 100, 735, 6.434 or 16.434 bugs. For later volunteer can spend years and detriment personal life but it's only appreciated by word, not really advised. Instead, after some hundred/s of bugs, it's better to go on with personal development/growth as listed in (5). Since this was not correct to me, it makes no sense to go on doing the work that someone is now chosen for. (1) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Team (2) https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/07/22/join-the-libreoffice-team-as-a-quality-assurance-analyst-m-f-d-40h-per-week-remote/ (3) https://qa.blog.documentfoundation.org/2022/10/11/qa-dev-report-september-2022/ (4) https://qa.blog.documentfoundation.org/2022/11/10/qa-dev-report-october-2022/ (5) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/GetInvolved Regards Timur -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Nov-09
Present: Heiko
Comments: Stuart, Rainer, Cor, Regina, Telesto
Tickets/Topics
* Having "Enable word completion" and "Collect words" options separated
doesn't make sense to me
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145044
+ collect words without enabling word completion?
+ use collected words without collecting new (Cor)
+ and collect without word completion? (Heiko)
=> better keep it
* There are no "Deletions in margin" and "Insertions in margin" items
in some Edit-Track changes submenu
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151665
+ menu access to show TC on/off plus inline vs. margin?
+ replacing the simple show by a choice of four options sounds wrong (Heiko)
=> better keep it simple
* Better UX to insert and manage playing an audio stream/soundtrack
in background for entire ODF presentation
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151394
+ slide transition sounds is played until it ends which allows to
use this feature as background music (Rainer)
+ the access is clunky and hard to figure out, however (Stuart)
+ effect must be finalized before applying the sound
+ must not be "Applied to all slides".
+ can only be applied to the first slide of a sequence
+ looping needs very precise timing
+ audio file is not embedded into the ODF presentation
+ what other features are needed?
+ showing in an automatic presentation until when exactly the music is
playing having a use case in mind where photos are shown in a loop
+ driving the slide progress per audio with the idea to record a
presentation
=> introduce an extra dialog/interaction, allow to stop and loop playback
* Better distinguish shape text from shape name
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151691
+ need to change the naming scheme " '': "
or do some larger modification
+ don't see a problems here (Regina)
+ better distinguish shape text from shape name (Telesto)
+ replacing the type name with an icon or a thumbnail clutter the dialog
too much; showing the information in multiple lines or in a tabular view
might solve this problem - which is not relevant for many - and introduce
other issues
=> better not change the view
* Toolbar button for enclosing text in () brackets
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151710
+ UNO command vs. autocorrect function or realize per extension
+ if possible, add as autocorrect function
+ put selected text into brackets with (), [], and {}
+ insert single character if nothing is selected
+ might be confusing that overwriting is not possible and should
be off by default therefore
=> do it
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[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Nov-03
Present: Heiko Comments: André, Dieter, Eyal Tickets/Topics * Writer: Caption strings should be set to document language instead of UI language + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151020 + use translation from PS for variable names requested on ask.libo (André) + not much of a problem, users can change category names manually (Dieter) + unclear set-up of document / UI language (Eyal) => keep the ticket with low priority for reference * ENHANCEMENT: Collapse or hide toggle for individual effect details in animation sidebar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151377 + change the layout and/or workflow of the animations deck? + no further opinion, happy to change the layout slightly again (Heiko) => do it * Add ability to toggle a reader / reading view (mode) in Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151320 + introduce a special reading mode or improve the web view mode with muted colors + suggest to realize this view mode / color settings combination per extension (Heiko) => move topic respectively OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Oct-12
Present: John, Cor, Heiko Comments: Regina, Stuart, Eyal, Rafael, Roman Tickets/Topics * GALLERY: Option to add files to a "Favourites" theme in gallery + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151222 + current workflow is to create a special category "Favorites" and copy the interesting items into it (Regina) + Gallery management is clunky and Favorites is widely used (Cor, John) + having another route to Gallery items would be orthogonal to the existing path and confusing (Heiko) + adding the Favorite tagging mechanism wont block improvements to the Gallery (Cor) + could be shown in the list likewise the categories but on top and separated with a ruler; creating a category with the same name would end up in "Favorite 1"; renaming and deletion needs to be blocked (Heiko) => comment * Size submenu of table selection context menu not clear enough + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151284 + command labels usually start with an action like "Insert *" (Eyal) + "Optimize Size" (Rafael) + "Height and Width" (Cor) + just "Size" is reasonable (John, Cor) + "Resize Row/Column" (Eyal) + works but is lengthy + just "Resize" (John) + hard to translate in German, Dutch.. (Heiko) => better stick with the existing term, WF * Consider adding "Move to Top" and "Move to Bottom" buttons under effects list + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151345 + Move To Top/Button a not a requirement (Stuart) + tend to agree with WF but if the commands "move up/down" (as existing) and "to top/bottom" (as requested) could be added to the context menu (Heiko) + seldom use case, cluttering the UI, dragging is possible (Cor) + planning to change the UI anyway (Effects go into an expander) (Heiko) + competitor don't have it either, so prolly no big need (John) => WF * Need mechanism for re-centering "Slides pane" onto current slide with edit focus + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151170 + statusbar shows the number of the current slide and the sorter has a clear indicator but not when the focus changes eg after clicking the white space at the slide sorter + UNO action to scroll the pane would be very helpful (Stuart) + sounds like feature creep to me and extends the UNO API unnecessarily; having a "toolbar" (some button next to close) would be acceptable but ideally a more natural interaction like automatically refocus when items are edited, which is the fact today (Heiko) + alternatively we could just avoid loosing the focus; ie. no white space in the slide sorter (Heiko) + always show the currently active slide at the status bar (John) => recommend to modify the ticket goal * New Paste Special Operations: Maximum, Minimum + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151205 + afraid of a bottomless pit (Rafael), no use case (Roman) + plenty of space, do it (Eyal) + in case we have even more options it could go into a dropdown (Rafael) + strongly disagree; we should keep it as simple as needed (Heiko) + use case: Tracking a set of measurements where there is no need to keep the history of measurements, only the last value and the "best" value to date + don't get the use case, but seems to be completely different to what we have (Cor) + seems to be very advanced; too niche = WF (John) => recommend to realize per extension OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Sep-22
Present: Heiko Comments: Timur, Regina, Stuart, Eike, Roman, Tuomas Tickets/Topics * UI: Context Menu does not appear if user clicks on the top-left sheet corner + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145201 + WF (Timur), alternative ways (Regina) + no objection to have some menu there, ideally configured so non-matching options for all cells (eg sparklines, merge) are hidden + but low priority => go for it * Changing right page margin changes horizontal scrolling position + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151041 + it's clear what's happening, WF (Stuart) + if we keep the view constant it should be always (Heiko) + It would make little sense to hold the vcl canvas view on a part of the page that no longer has any importance to inputting textual content. (Stuart) => needsDevAdvice * Protected status only is pasted if the source cells belong to one row + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150910 + bug 123974 has the opposite expectations (Eike) + difference between single/multiple selection + pasting single protected cell into an unprotected area makes this cell protected + pasting at least two cells makes the target unprotected + it doesn't matter if one of the cell is unprotected or all are protected + decision on bug 123974 c10 was to "removing the protected state only if a) the sheet is protected, and b) the target cell is unprotected" => this should apply to multiple selections too and whether the flag is set or not needs to be decided per cell * Confusing radio button placement in Text flow tab of Table Properties dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151002 + appreciate labels (Roman) + suggest a flipped layout additionally (Tuomas) + don't see the advantage (Heiko) => do it OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Sep-14
Present: Eyal, (Shegs,) Rizal, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Tomaz, Tuomas, Mike, Eyal Tickets/Topics * Rename the "Search Commands" menu item + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 + duplicate bug 148073 resolved NAB + "Search for commands" is catchy (Mike) + "Find Command" (Eyal) => go with "Search for Commands..." * The strings "Top of baseline" and "Bottom of baseline" should be changed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150804 + "Above baseline" and "Below baseline" shorter and more accurate than "Top of baseline" and "Bottom of baseline" (Tuomas) + "Align top/bottom with baseline" (Eyal) + not much improvement as it just adds "Align" and changes of to with; and it fits not well to other options (Heiko) + so suggest to change just "of" to "with" (Eyal) + maybe split the field into two top/center/bottom and baseline/character/line (Eyal) => comment and let the doer decide * Search Commands should also search commands _not_ on the menus + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150814 + unclear in case of commands with input and configuration requirements (Stuart) + contextual disabled commands are not added to the list (Tomaz) + results should be separated from those that are in the main menu a) change the appearance like italic font, or gray color b) use some textual indicator like brackets c) label like "Not in menu: <...>" d) positional indicator, ie. use a horizontal ruler and list the non-menu commands below + prefer a) or b) and dislike d) as it might be distracting (Eyal) + prefer d), dislike a) as it is a different indicator and c) is too long (Heiko) => command and go ahead * Support flags in Search Commands: whole-word, case-sensitive, regexp + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150811 + if ICU regex libs can be used (Stuart) + against this (Tomaz) + weak use case in comment 6, academic and far-fetched (Heiko) + admittedly, and in the end it's not that much we search for (Eyal) => resolve WF * Insert->Image inconsistent behavior when graphic objects are selected + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150889 + inserting an image onto a selected shapes puts the bitmap into the background, but this works not anymore for Draw/Impress to avoid replacement + inserting something should consistently delete selected objects (Eyal) + disagree with the deletion (Heiko) but in fact when some text is selected and you insert a chart the text is deleted - and inconsistencies are worse than inconveniences + possible solutions a) change Draw/Impress to behave like Writer (insert Image as background) b) change Writer and Calc and never apply as background c) make all insertions behaving the same and _replace_ selections + MSO Word and Powerpoint deselect the shape and insert the image => go with a) for now for sake of easy implementation (sounds as the easiest to implement) but on the long run do c) OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Sep-08
Present: Mayu, Heiko Comments: Rafael, Eike, Tuomas, Mike, Cor, Eyal Tickets/Topics * Confusing language in Similarity Search + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150693 + "Number of different/additional/additional characters" or "Different/Larger/Shorter by [ ] characters"; tooltips are helpful in case of ambiguous labels (Rafael) + algorithm is Levenshtein and suggestion is not an improvement (Eike) + shorter labels are better, so having "character" as a "unit" an improvement (Mayu) => let's do it / easyhack * "Text-to-text" is hard to understand + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150694 + "Oversized and undersized characters" (Tuomas) + "Character alignment" (Rafael) + "Vertical character alignment", "Vertical alignment of characters" (Eyal) + small label is way too long + don't mind text-to-text; again better to keep it short (Mayu) + "Vertical character alignment" for the bold title and maybe "Position" (Heiko) => do it / easyhack * Ctrl+Q should close documents, not exit LibreOffice + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150721 + show a confirmation box on ctrl+Q (Stuart) + with "[x] Confirm before quitting with Ctrl+Q" + unlike Firefox and similar tool we have confirmation dialogs about unsaved changes; and a second confirmations would be annoying + MSO has no Exit at all, Close at the last document terminates the app (like ctrl+W / alt+F4 does for LibreOffice) + not an issue; and documents are saved (Cor, Mayu) => resolve WF * There should be a way to manually update fixed date / time + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150751 + introduce a function to "Update Fields (Fix)"? + fix is fix, WF (Mike) + do not change (Cor, Mayu) + add a "Format value" or "Show formatted value" field type (Eyal) => resolve WF OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Aug-31
Since we should avoid cross-posting on mailing lists I wonder if anyone at the @dev and @qa list wants to follow these minutes - without reading the design list (which is very quite). If not I'll not bother you anymore with these messages. On 31.08.22 20:54, Heiko Tietze wrote: Meeting minutes OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Aug-31
Present: Cor, Heiko Comments: Roman, Rafael, Stuart, Tristan, Wolfgang, Eike Tickets/Topics * Rename character style "source text" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150619 + go with "Monospaced" (Rafael) + merge "Source Text, Teletype, User Entry" into "Source Code" (Stuart) + use either "Source Code Style" or "Typewriter Style" (Tristan) + like "Typewriter" (without style) (Heiko) + prefer "Monospace" (Cor) => do it and try to remove unnecessary CS * "Copy version information" button in About dialog should have description label + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143994 + implemented intentionally as icon-only button (Roman, Heiko) + tooltip is sufficient (Cor) => WF/NAB * LineStartName / LineEndName "Symmetric Arrow" vanished + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149917 + equilateral triangle with the expectable directions, asked for in https://ask.libreoffice.org/t//79362I for a macro (Wolfgang) + reading bug 126648 it seems we renamed Symmetric Arrow to Arrow Short + macros may rely on a certain style and we should investigate if some solution per code (Cor) + Only then we can judge if it is reasonable to solve (somehow) or not... + strongly against such a restriction to keep _any random_ style; even with some code solution we cannot update the design + relying on some style (that can be deleted by the user, btw) or any other volatile content is wrong here; the mentioned macro needs to be written more carefully (Heiko) => reopen, comment, needsDevAdvice * CSV (Text) import dialog: Improve discoverability of Column type setting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150652 + a) keep label enabled, b) auto select first column, c) show down arrow, d) show a static tip, e) switch from Standard to Text... (Heiko) + switching to Text has been refused; power users wants to load data without interruption (Mike) + a) makes sense, all the rest is not needed (Cor) => recommend to do a) (easyhackable), no strong objection against c) * [UI][RFE] clearly visible hint or tooltip when entering a non-number Conditional Formatting condition + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150271 + "+" is just no valid input, not much we can do (Eike) + corner case, let's keep it as it is (Cor) + to allow complex input such as formulas makes no sense (Heiko) => resolve WF/NAB OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Aug-25
Present: Tristan, Heiko (Rizal, Aneta) Comments: Stuart, Mike, Roman Tickets/Topics * Preview using Conditional Formatting has weird behavior when multiple cells are selected + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150448 + use a static text like "42", "Sample", or "Preview" + alternatively, we show only the first n values from the selection + pointless in case of T,T,T,F,T,F,F,T,F,F... or the like + so show the first n categories + probably some effort to implement for little benefit + prefer the static text "This is a preview" (Tristan) => do it * Title case setting for style headings capitalizes 'and' + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121913 + it's actually "Capitalize Every Word" but affects also excluded words like mRNA and iPhone (see also bug 121779) => forward the question to the developers * Document Recovery UX can be improved + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150428 + unclear if is it really popping up at the wrong time (Heiko) + to be confirmed by QA, needsDevAdvice for possible improvements * Drop separate docking Elements window, and use Sidebar instead + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150489 + remove the left elements pane in Math (Stuart, Mike) + keep it to have it parallel to other tabs (Roman) + more modern design; and not many useful interactions on the other tabs (Heiko) => do it, and see if users complain * Freeze XXX commands in tabbed interface appear twice + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150471 + keep first col/row as quick interactions (Heiko) => do it OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Aug-17
Present: John, Eyal, Cor, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Mike, Timur Tickets/Topics * Render non-printing line numbers with faint gray + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150375 + potential solution for bug 150237 + starting with a text would show no line number unless line 5, which is odd (Eyal) + dialog is started manually so users are aware of what they are doing (Cor) + how about starting with #1 (Heiko) + faint numbers are neat but probably not worth the effort (Stuart) + showing the current line number could be done via the statusbar (Heiko) + users want to see numbers of multiple lines (Eyal) + line numbers are important for minutes, for example (Eyal) + faint grey lines could be realized as an extra "line numbering" run before the actual line numbering; the option could be stored in the registry and applied to the document independently from the line numbering setting + better change the default to every line (John, Cor, Eyal) + less development effort, no confusion => prefer grey lines but change default is okay too => needsDevAdvice (could be easyhackable) * Paragraph mark in rotated-character paragraph placed in middle of text + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150276 + show pilcrow at the next character, ie. on top of a rotated text, meaning bottom-to-top (Eyal) + show it right of the rotation as MSO does (Heiko) + pilcrow should be in line with the cursor (Regina) + keep pilcrow unrotated (Mike) + having it on top or at the side shifts text either for hard or soft breaks; suggest therefore to have the hard break right/left and suppress soft break in rotated text (Heiko) + MSO puts the rotated word into the next line for both hard and soft breaks (so we have an incongruency anyway) (Heiko) + rotate the pilcrow/softbreak symbol and put it at the end of the line; accept that is overwritten (Eyal, John) + pilcrow should be drawn under the text (Eyal) + many pro and cons, wouldn't put effort in any (bad) solution (Cor) => comment on the ticket, needsDevEval * TABLES: Command "Distribute columns evenly" doesn't work for a single row + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150244 + respect the selection or treat the whole table as some static evenly distributed object when a flag is set, as requested in bug 128279 + don't agree with bug 128279 (Cor) + expect an action and to respect the selection (John, Cor) + alt+left/right interaction should not change (Cor) + two different things both make sense; running the action (per selection) switches off the state (Eyal) => accept the ticket, ie. don't change not selected columns if a selection is active * Last row does not remain hidden when deleting row(s) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150260 + same behavior on MSO: if rows 15-last are empty, deleting some rows <15 doesn't show additional rows. If A1048576 is not empty, deleting rows 9-10 shows additional rows A1048575-A1048576 (Timur) + deleting columns does reduce the total number, however, in Excel but not in Calc + hiding columns sets width to zero + WPS never adds lines (Timur) + deleting rows add new to the end of the table, which are not hidden then; so hide the added row if the last one is hidden (Heiko) + how about other attributes such as formatting (Eyal) + only the hidden attribute => recommend to do it OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Aug-11
Present: Heiko Comments: Dieter, Eyal, Stuart, Telesto, Mike Tickets/Topics * Consider renaming button "open" in templates dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146161 + "Create" or "New From Template" or WF/NAB + how to deal with File > New > Template... and File > Templates > Manage Templates (or Open) from bug 104074? + prefer "New From Template" in the Manage Template dialog for File > New > Templates... => easyhack * LINE NUMBERING DIALOG: Change interval to 1 by default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150237 + every single line is standard in some scenarios (Eyal, Dieter) + every 5 lines is appropriate for most use cases (Heiko) + configuration well covered in help (Stuart) => recommend to keep the default but keep ticket open due to tie * WORD COMPLETION: Make it visible, if there is more than one option for word completion + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149591 => no rather input, do it * Pictures in writer: ignores height changes and proportional settings + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149678 + add option to keep ratio of source on crop (Telesto) + we may add some "lock" icon between height/width to keep the ratio but would prefer to keep the dialog simple + and this lock potentially clashes with the other options => resolve WF * Make Autosum button a split button + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150262 + have Sum() be the default and all other options in the menu (Mike) => no objection, do it OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Aug-03
Present: Geeko, Heiko Comments: Dieter, Roman, Mike, Eyal Tickets/Topics * Line numbering should go in Formatting menu + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150012 + "Tools" is more like a container for several features + changing the menu structure requires also to change the documentation (Dieter) + Formatting is quite long right now (Dieter) and Line Numbering is not formatting rather a view option (Roman) + suggest WF (Eyal) => resolve WF * Pivot Table Filter is inaccessible from main menu, and its label in context menu doesn't distinguish it from e.g. Standard Filter + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150182 + use "Pivot Table Filter" (Mike) or "Source Range Filter" (Roman) + renaming is fine but since it opens the same dialog misleading + better run the Pivot filtering method also from the main menu when in Pivot mode (Heiko) + if the standard filter needed anyway? => go for it * No "Undo" after changing margins size in "Print Preview" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150116 + margins are set by dragging a line changing the respective values in page format + no undo for the directly entered values + changing the values from the main window seems to be added to the undo stack + undo would be convenient (Geeko) + unclear whether technically feasible / easy to realize => do it, needsDevEval OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Jul-28
Present: Adolfo, Cor, Rizal, Ilmari, Xisco, Heiko Tickets/Topics * Add 'Search in all sheets' option to Find toolbar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98270 + auto switch and continue on the next sheet after last found item? + ask the user to continue on the nextg sheet similar to "continue from beginning" (Heiko) + mixing the behavior (Ilmari) + dont show again needed (Adolfo) + 'only' objection is that the simple/quick find bar is getting more and more complicated (Cor) + use a checkbox in the quick find bar "[ ] Search in all Sheets" (off by default) (Xisco) + would prefer to keep the quick fin d bar simple (Heiko) + reject the request as it's easy to search in all sheets per full search (Ilmari) => WF to avoid clutter * Add sortable counts to AutoFilter drop down + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149984 + mockup attached, adding a bit noise + visual noise can be reduced by adding a "pill/badge" styling, as in web frameworks Bootstrap etc. (Adolfo) + costs on performance unclear, ppb negligible + it mixes the feature AutoFilter with another function. Then there will for sure be others with different handy functions to add (Cor) + no good reason to not do it besides clutter and some ideas to avoid perf penalties including to make it optional => do it * Base: Dialog for User Administration couldn't be resized - too small when translated to German to show all buttons + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149944 + make resizable or use icon-only / menu button + generalized toolkit problem: GTK's widgets too padded out, not meant for dense UIs + dialog maybe not welded (Xisco) + button wall awkward anyway (Heiko) + could be difficult to change if hard-coded (Xisco) => look into it and realize actions per menu button or adjust the dialog size depending on controls (maybe weld it) * Constant Colors Fail WCAG 2.1 Contrast Ratio + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149934 + adjust and rename all hard-coded internal colors? + 800+ files to change + no value in changing the internal name COL_BLUE to COL_NAVY for example (Xisco) + afraid of UI tests when changing the RGB values, worth a try + little benefit as colors are later defined by the OS + lot of noise for too little outcome (Xisco) + benefit on a11y, perhaps involve Hypra for that (Ilmari) => do not change the names but give RGB values a try * Calc UI - Defaults in Find dialogue and toolbar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145292 + change find defaults and/or remember last user choice? + remembering last user choice sounds reasonable (Adolfo, Ilmari) => do it OpenPGP_0xA68C0CA5EEA5F466.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Jul-13
Present: Bjoern, Thorsten, John, Cor, Eyal, Heiko Topic: Polypoly * Introduction + https://polypoly.org/en-gb/ + founded May/4th 2019 with the purpose to empower end users to reclaim their data. + main problem with data is that we send data to 3rd party companies and we have no rights on it + goal is to store data locally (on the edge) and let algorithms evaluate those data and share only the results + European cooperative "COOP" https://polypoly.coop/en-de/ + first release available for Android/iOS is able to bring the data of Facebook and google back to the user (as copy in the moment). The data will be explained to the end user in a way that also non tech people are able to understand what the net knows about them. + next step is to integrate open source projects * Scenarios + surveys such as https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2021/10/18/results-from-the-survey-about-libreoffice-calc/ are completed by tech-affine people with some expertise "...mid-age (65% between 33 and 65 years old), technology-affine (60% use Linux as operating system), and power users (45% run the application every day)" + anecdotal reports to judge on enhancement requests such as https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135501 (Change the default UI) + missing knowledge, eg. how many individuals run LOOL/COOL, meaning have configured the environment first + answers to questions like "what action comes most often before undo" has huge potential for improvement + personas should be based on facts (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org /Design/Guidelines/HIG_foundations#Persona) * Existing code + initial steps have been done https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/OpenOffice.org_User_Feedback_Extension + UI setting removed with https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/119166 for bug 140107 but code still at sfx2/source/control/unoctitm.cxx collectUIInformation(), see also bug 96434 * Questions + wouldn't it be better to not collect data at all (rather than doing the PP approach) + open source community tried with Discourse, for example, but better we reclaim data; data is key for many questions; PP is neutral and transparent + PP does not own the data; PP is a cooperative, all income will be shared + is PP open source / what license + yes, dual-licensing + what would be the scenario when PP becomes included + probably a question "Do you want to share data..." as opt-in + amount of data is frightening + 10 years of extensive Google usage is about 100MB + an option might be to keep raw data for only a short period and condense then + feedback channel, something that allows the individual to compare with the average + could be something for the future + include questionnaires for example to split user types + demographics are included already + identification with brands is built-in + any legal constraints + LibreOffice sends crash reports to TDF + who is doing the coding effort + research and testing needed to improve the PP AI + integration needs to be done together afterwards/in parallel + what are the next steps + involve the ESC + write a blog post and involve the community OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Jul-06
Present: Cor, Heiko Comments: Seth, Stuart Tickets/Topics * styles / document: "autoupdate" -- misleading meaning + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149796 + rename "[ ] Autoupdate" to "[ ] Update style when changing attributes" + "[] Automatic style update from document" (Seth) => do it * move table down to create text space above the table + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149825 + introduce command "Insert paragraph break before table" supplementing the return key at the very first cell + no objection (Cor) => add command to insert PB before table/section in the context menu * Template Manager dialog too small + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149768 + probably caused by some other setting (Stuart) => NEEDINFO * Lots of Spaces get suppressed, when a Paragraph mark is added after this Sample + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149763 + auto correct kicks in - we should give a hint if this happens - question + no urgent need to change order and/or labels (Heiko) + "special circumstances" and involvement of extensions makes it hard to follow; generic answer is "autocorrection works" => recommend NAB * implement option to remember window size on a per document basis + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144211 + we save the last window size and use it for all modules including start center (Cor) + store window size independently from start center per module, but not store window size per document (Stuart) + dup of bug 75644 "Better options to control LibO window resize...", which in turn is a dup of bug 41777? + potential use case for storing size per document is to have document 1 on the left side of the screen and document 2 at right (Heiko) => make it a duplicate, comment there OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Jun-30
Present: Heiko
Comments: Eyal, Rafael, Roman, Andre
Tickets/Topics
* Add Shape main menu in to Impress
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149643
+ issue: group/ungroup (and other functions) are not formatting
+ proposal: add full Shapes root menu as known in Draw
+ pro: in sync with Draw (Eyal)
+ con: large main menu with more items than other modules, effort for
documentation (Rafael)
+ minor issue, large consequences (Heiko)
=> do not add it / WF
* New Feature: Print Preview In Sidebar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149701
+ to update the print preview probably draws some resources
+ similar to page/slide pane (Rafael, Roman)
+ but those thumbnails are not a full-fledged preview
+ no strong objection but also not much benefit (Heiko)
=> needsDevEval, likely WF
* The "Protect" section on the Options tab of {Image, Frame, Object}
Properties dialog should be on the "Type" tab
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149085
+ proposal: move Protection options in case of images to the Type tab
and make the preview larger
=> reasonable, go for it
* "Date (fix)" fields updated when copy of document opened
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84973
+ open as copy works similar to templates and updates the date (Mike)
+ don't users expect "Date (fix)" to always have the initial value?
=> make "Date (Fix)" really fix (no change on copy)
* FORMATTING request enhancement: create formatted Table of Figures
using tabs before and after index
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148597
+ raised at
https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/how-to-create-formatted-table-of-figures-using-tabs-before-and-after-index-number/76464/2?u=bva
+ no discrimination between chapter "Chapter No"/E# and "Entry Text"/E
as known from ToC (Andre)
=> level up ToF to match ToC
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[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Jun-22
Present: Cor, Heiko Comments: Regina, Mike, Eike Tickets/Topics * EDITING: The "Increase Indent" and "Decrease Indent" increment step should be the width of 3 space chars (using the default style font) when working in an xlsx document + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144991 + indentation should depend on the default font size at three spaces + makes sense (Mike) and is what MSO does (Eike) + change the indentation when the default font is altered + rather not but offer new the defaults at the interactions (Mike) => no-brainer if it's a standard * Prototype UI for new Inking feature + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146968 + proposal to improve drawing capabilities (essentially bug 89369 with a different approach) + functional difference apparently, unclear for other objects (Cor) + the "styles" are probably just combinations of attributes (Heiko) + combining frequently used attributes such as color and seldom like cap style into one "style" is probably not user-focused + there is bug 127348 related to this incl. a mockup (Heiko) => NEEDINFO * UI: PNG export dialog has radio button doesn't allow 'dimensions' or 'DPI' to be set both + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144195 + setting one attribute affects another; works for me (Regina, c8) + suggest a toggle button between mutually dependent settings meaning "auto adjust setting" (Regina) + afraid of side-effects, commented on bug 115464 incl. a mockup (Heiko) + welcome the suggested modification (Cor) => do it * Comment box arrows should be visually separate when pointing to the same line + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86888 + don't show any lines but highlight in author's color on focus (Heiko) + MSO cannot do zero length comments and selects the whole word, would be a prerequisite to see a comment without the pointing line (Cor) + show the line only when a comment is selected (Heiko) + NAB/INV since the comment becomes framed and the dashed line solid (Cor) + bug: dashed lines may become solid depending on spaces (Heiko) => resolve INV * No way for Glow and Soft Edge settings in drawing styles and in any dialogs + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136123 + mockup attached + if possible, we should remove the enabled checkbox and bind shadow on/off to distance >0; + like to have the default (Cor), maybe the other way around and on/off for the two options => do it OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Jun-16
Present: Heiko Comments: Regina Tickets/Topics * Basic-IDE - Missing feature to export COLORIZED basic code in a WRITER document + Workaround + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138380 + prefer a macro solution for such special request (Heiko) => realize per extension * Lines and Shadows in Shapes are positioned outside their selected region (to Entire Paragraph area or Paragraph Text area) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149460 + Writer images are treated as frames and not as shapes (Regina) + bug 90070 asks to not shrinks the size when adding a border and spacing (but not yet shadows) (Regina) => keep open and comment on 90070 * Problem with decimal number selection using double click + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149306 + select all if a word is a currency like 1.234,56$ + should be possible using a regex algorithm => do it * Can't insert/embed office-documents as icons + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50991 + insert OLE object from file as icon works well + but with drag 'n drop the document is linked into a section + sections have some advantage over OLE objects + attaching binary files might be a security issue + change behavior carefully and insert as OLE object in case of drag 'n drop plus accelerator key (eg. Ctrl) => do it * UI: Improve handling of configuring table borders in table properties dialog (to make it work for multiple workflows) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143249 + mockup revised, no further comment => implement this * Add the ability to bookmark or comment spelling/grammar mistakes in text from spellcheck dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93073 + mockup provided to automatically add a bookmark for this + idea was appreciated and received no further comments => implement it OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Jun-08
Present: Cor, Heiko Comments: Rafael, Seth, Eyal Tickets/Topics * When clicking an Insert-shape button, focus is wrong + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149341 + the toolbar "insert shapes" command remains active while you can draw multiple shapes in Writer; and escape cancels this + once drawing the shape is finished, the tool should no longer be selected in the sidebar, and return to selection mode by pressing Esc (Rafael) => sounds good (Cor) * Make the selection behavior when double-clicking a word a user preference + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149254 + include the trailing space on double-click (and insert back in case of overtyping)? + keyboard use with ctrl+shift+left/right includes the space and we should do the same for the mouse (Cor) + if so, have an option for it + nope => do it * Proposal for slight change in position and label of controls in the Position dialog for objects + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149407 + a) "From left" of "Paragraph area" by "0.70cm" (Seth) + to => of makes sense (Cor) + "to" does not fit always, eg. with "left of entire page" (Heiko) + change wont improve the understandability (Cor) + b) Align "Paragraph area" to "From left" with offset "0.70cm" (Eyal) + unclear how it works in other languages and can of worms (Cor) => recommend to not change (WF) but no string objection if someone volunteers; better do smaller steps * Change submenu label for formatting textboxes and shapes in Calc and Impress + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149414 + intention to not use the generic "object" and consistency across modules; alternative make a pseudo .uno for Calc (Seth) + any objection to change "Object and Shape" -> "Text Box and Shape" + Insert > OLE Object (but in fact Insert > Shape) barely combines with Format > Object & Shape + Text Box and Shape sounds much better => do it for all modules * It's difficult to reach text area properties + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149411 + does the command Format > Object and Shape > Text Attributes... need a more prominent position? + somehow misplaced in the main menu but expect it to be in the sidebar (Eyal) + Fit width/height might be worth to add to the "Columns" deck (renaming needed) and we could add the deck's generic property action (Heiko) + New label could be "Text" (Cor) or "Text Attributes" (Heiko) => do it OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Jun-02
Present: Heiko Comments: Regina, Mike, Seth Tickets/Topics * SLIDESHOW: Feature request to add well known keyboard shortcut from Powerpoint CTRL+A + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149351 + air mouse are built for MSO and use ctrl+A for the pen + full customization likely hard to realize, more simple compatibility mode could be an alternative (Heiko) => let's follow MSO shortcuts * Clarify what a master slide is a master _for_ + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149316 + would be nice to have a list "This master slide is used for ..." (Regina) + don't see a problem and slide masters could be used flexible in one presentation and in another one not (Heiko) => recommend WF but keep open * When inserting a FOOTNOTE or ENDNOTE, allow user to chose an alternative anchor character style + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143433 + request seems to circumvent the double superscripted (ordinary) asterisk, * vs (see also bug 145239) + varying CS contradicts the idea of autonumbering where numbers have a reliable sequence => WF, better solve the double superscript * A different Formatting Mark for Numbered Entries + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149287 + special paragraph break symbol like § would be hard to spot + proposed indicator § looks like a paragraph (Seth) + better realize styles highlighter from bug 38194 (Heiko) => WF * Paragraph numbering similar to line numbering + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149372 + technically no significant problem to show an annotation similar to line number for consecutive paragraphs in order to not interfer with the internal numbering (Mike) + alternatively show the number of paragraphs before/after in a statistics dialog (see bug 123083 and META bug 103479) => recommend WF but keep ticket OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-May-25
Present: John, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Eyal, Ilmari, Mike, Rafael Tickets/Topics * Want option to see more effect info in the list of effects + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142821 + extend the animations list with more information like "Emphasis: Change Font Color to #99"? + "plenty of white space" (Eyal) makes sense (John) => show the animation detail for emphasis * "Left paragraph border" -> "Left of paragraph indent" and "Right paragraph border" -> "Right of paragraph indent" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149242 + change the label or improve the preview? + "Left frame border" has been changed to "Left of frame text area" for bug 148782 + revision: "Left of paragraph text area" + revision clashes with "Paragraph area" + afraid of worsening the situation (John) + "Left paragraph white-space" maybe (Heiko) + white-space is unclear, at least in other languages than English => no good solution * Customize footnote symbols + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145239 + unclear if there is a standardized style for the request (John, Eyal) + can of worms, better implement a citation style (CSL) (Stuart) + does not refrain us from more flexibility for user-defined footnotes + UI-wise we could split a manually entered string into characters for the autonumbering or use a comma-delimited list (Heiko) => needinfo and WF unless it's an official standard * The descriptions of Safe Mode options are misleading + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120269 + mockup at https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/Zj8nsETFTyPgeEB + looks good (John) but + is there an autobackup to "restore last known working state" + what is "undo modifications" compared to restore? + too many options, maybe remove "reset state of extensions" + Apply button is unclear (comment by Roman) + restarts with the chosen settings- clear to me (John) + mutual dependency between user profile and extension (comment by Cor) + unclear which one; if clearing entire profile, for example, means to also clear the extensions we could automatically check this option + separate bundled/shared aka user/application extensions (comment by Samuel) + if needed we have to add an extra section/frame under Extension (which would become "User Extension") with the same options for "Application Extensions" + users are probably unaware of what extensions are bundled and what uninstalling means; better to have one option for both (John) + "Backup user profile" and "Restore from file" unclear (Cor) + we could just allow to restore from last known configuration (and consequently backup overwrites the one setting) + continue in save mode vs. apply unclear (Cor, Roman) + clear to me (John) + different naming welcome but better have tooltip explaining the function + some image(s) make the UI nicer => go for it * Create sketches for ajlittoz's vision of a UI promoting the use of styles + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149230 + ideas? + Write up scenarios for our personae (Benjamin, Eve) doing something with DF which would be better with styles, and present them on the bug page (or in an attachment?) so that suggested UI ideas could relate to improving concrete scenarios/behaviors (Eyal) + not convinced of the pedagogic argument (John) + another view is that software should support the user instead of users accommodating to the software + "intuitive application control" syndrome (Ilmari) + providing a styles oriented toolbar does a) replicate the Stylist, b) wont bring users into understanding the matter, and c) is always incomplete + styles should be encouraged by all means (Mike) + by some, yes, but not all (Eyal, Rafael) + detect DF and give feedback (Rafael) => recommend to make it a duplicate OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-May-19
Present: Heiko Comments: ajlittoz, Miklos, Mike, Maxim Tickets/Topics * Writer: hidden link between list and chapter numbering + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143197 + unlikely to solve (ajlittoz) + perhaps disable F12 shortcut (Mike) + keep F12 and restrict the LS to chapter numbering, meaning to disable all inappropriate options (as today) and block also all LS for outlines; don't allow using this LS on ordinary paragraphs; ultimately the software should handle proper LS and the user must not be required to think what options to pick (Heiko) => comment * "Object" property dialog (and Navigator and UI elements) should be retitled "OLE Object" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149018 + no objection to proposal in c19 => do it * Should .uno:ObjectMenue be shown in the Customize dialog? + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149047 + consider Windows where OLE works differently (Miklos) + filled dynamically with content (Maxim) => resolved fixed with the "OLE Object" modification * Add button or context menu for (Un)Grouping in dialogue Pivot Table Layout + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112867 => unclear workflow, WF/NAB * ability to draw callout with line extending from top or bottom of text box + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141085 => unclear workflow, WF/NAB OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-May-11
Present: John, Heiko Comments: Regina, Cor, Mike, John, Pedro, Roman, Eyal, Justin Tickets/Topics * Alphabetical index field: allow "Edit Index Entry" to open on double-click + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143158 + introduce double-click interaction in addition to the context menu seems to be a special handling + it's possible to double click on fields which opens edit fields + multi-selection (whole word or parts) and cursor at the end wont show the command, which is a bug + not expecting double-click myself but wont hurt anyway (John) => let's do it * Include a HUD inside the Standard toolbar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148967 + requires to rewove a considerable number of commands from the toolbar + 3x commenters against, 4x pro + maybe overloading the quick find or the sidebar (Mike) + remember Tomaz commenting somewhere that this modification requires some effort + better have a dedicated sidebar tab where the search will return a) the position at the main menu (as of today), b) the command associated with the term whether in the label or the tooltip, and c) places in the document where the word is being used (taking the quick find bar effectively into the sidebar) as done in MSO + drawback is that controls at the quickfind bar applies to the document/ quick search only + if the 1280px limitation really is a limit, the standard toolbar is in fact not a good solution (John) + makes it 4 against vs 3 pro => comment and recommend to resolve WF * Change behavior of anchor to character in an empty paragraph + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146445 + some may expect the object to move some want it to remain + current situation can be explained and is straight-forward + discussion is somewhat academic anyway => recommend to not change * Show the count of hidden sheets in the Calc spreadsheets statusbar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148712 + plenty of alternatives, not worth to occupy the space (Regina) + appreciate the view (Cor) + expectation is "Sheet 4 of 10 (4 hidden)" + tooltip? not the expectation + icon-only info button with a question mark, or the like, next to add sheet showing a tooltip like info as requested (and maybe more information in the future like total size of the document) => go for it * PDF Accessibility: Checker dialog should have a "Print report" button + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149000 + rather Copy but unclear if needed at all + prototype function taken from https://verapdf.org/ involves more steps, ie. upload, check, modify and again where a printout might be handy + better show annotations in the document like comments + probably along with an option to remove all these annotations + but running the checker again is cheap and does the trick + maybe the idea is to export the inaccessible parts of the documents together with the issue (John) + unclear workflow; what happens with the exported and a11y conform parts? + MSO lists all types of issues and the occurrences below; it offers possible solutions via context menu directly at the issue (some even as a no-brainer one click option) and explain why this needs to be done; all in a sidebar => recommend WF OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-May-05
Present: Cor, Heiko Comments: Adolfo, Eyal, Stuart, Ilmari Tickets/Topics * Popup dialog boxes for Arrow Style tab should use consistent terminology with the main Arrow style tab + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148736 + duplicate of: * Improve label and tooltip for Arrow Styles icon in Drawing Objects Properties bar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148737 + arrowhead -> arrow style + worried about overloading the term style (Adolfo) + "styles" are everywhere in the dialog and at the toolbar, needs to clean-up (Cor) + arrowhead is indeed inconsistent with the source being arrow style (Heiko) + toolbar => preferably we find better names for all "style" items but meanwhile the simple patch is not bad * Graphics objects not replaced/overwritten when Paste is used on the marked object + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91147 + pasting a shape onto another does not delete but in case of an image it does + not a regression (Ilmari) + shape don't overwrite other objects - by design, but images must not -> bug => comment and make it a bug regarding images * Make "Auto Spellcheck" a module-level or document-level option + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148848 + +1 for having it module specific, -1 for document level (Eyal, Stuart, Cor) => accepted * Add to list: unable to 'detected' a list directly below/or above.. you always need to place cursor in the list + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148798 + automatic detection vs. flexibility + confusion reported in bug 140579 resolved fixed with reference to documentation by Dieter + "Add To List" assigns the list before to the current paragraph; having one item - the very first before the list - behave differently and become added to the next list would be inconsistent; but using the ctrl key modifier makes the function very flexible and does the trick + only alternative is to have two functions, "add to list before" and "...after", which needs to be enabled depending on the document structure; drawback here is the complexity and the unclear default => NAB/recommend to not enhance * "Previous / Next Page" shortcuts do not match the tooltips on the navigator + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142834 + no issue (Cor, Heiko) => resolve WF/NAB OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Apr-27
Present: Eyal, Heiko Comments: Seth, Dieter, Cor, Csongor, Regina, Roman Tickets/Topics * Commands related to styles miscategorized in customization dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131760 + patch submitted SID_TEMPLATE_LOAD -> Template, SID_STYLE_DESIGNER -> View (Seth) + another name like "Style Functions" might work as well (Eyal) => comment * Explicit toggle for ToC/Index title + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148320 + no issue, preview available (Dieter, Cor) + alternative is to have a checkbox "[x] Use title" and enable the input respectively + improve consistency, maybe novice user would not try to delete, label "Type and Title" is misleading, and we have enough space in the dialog (Eyal) => nice easyhack for beginner- * Need to make Insert cross-ref more accessible + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148648 + alt+shift+R or C (Eyal) + (default) shortcuts are precious, but no preference from my side (Heiko) + alt+shift+R is assigned to View > Rulers (a single time function), would feel better to reassign this one (Heiko) + having this shortcut makes sense (Eyal) + don't mind but strongly encourage a shortcut for cross-reference (Eyal) => do it * Mark page center on horizontal and vertical rulers + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148128 + no objection, useful idea (Cor, Csongor) + not a requirement for Writer and available in Draw/Impress (Heiko) + page center is not clear, eg. including the gutter? (Regina) + there is a snap function for the actual position of the shape + for tables, for example, it's also important to know where the center is (Eyal) + if we implement a positioning feature it should be one used across the app which is the snap lines in Draw; make positioning very flexible since the objects could be aligned to left/right of the center too (Heiko) + snaplines needs to be enhanced to also snap at the center of objects and to snap at the page center + centering an object in Writer is possible via Position & Size (also with option to consider or ignore the gutter) + still interesting to see where the center is; and it has a minor impact on UI/UX (Eyal) + center could be realized per printer marks but those depend on columns - what center is meant in case of columns or other content like sections, frames etc.? + bug is about center of page + a) suggest to split the bug into mark and snap and b) ask for input what center exactly is meant (page, text area, paragraph... or any) + prefer to not do (Heiko) => comment * UI: The No List button constantly highlighted when no some text isn't a list + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148790 + standard mutually exclusive behavior, NAB (Heiko) + but typically positively defined, would prefer two buttons (Eyal) + easy to customize (hide button) and working well (Heiko) + having the No List button has not much benefit for the user and occupies space, so removing/hiding makes sense => check whether No List was added but recommend to remove * Rework the Sparklines dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148568 + Mockup provided (Roman) + looks good + vertical axis needs min/max labels, the caption and controls should become properly indented (ideally the first control right of the caption) + Axis should be Axes, Properties -> Basic Properties + this configuration would greatly benefit from a preview => comment OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Apr-21
Present: Eyal, Heiko Comments: Thomas, JO3EMC, Andreas, Regina, Mike Tickets/Topics * When merging cells, it is not good that 'Keep the contents of the hidden cell' is the default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147837 + MSO can read hidden content from merged cells but when applied on MSO365 it offers only to remove the content + no need to change (Roman) + hidden content may be a safety, security and privacy issue (JO3EMC) + warning/infobar on load (since at save time it's not possible) (Heiko) + probably too late (Eyal) + current default is convenient (Eyal) + maybe the first option, saving into one cell, is the better default + better solution might be to show an indicator for hidden content similar to the comments (Eyal, Heiko) => comment * Need ability to search only comments + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148463 + Ability to pick-and-choose where to search + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148464 + reasonable request but having this flexibility comes on cost of a cluttered dialog + feature would be needed for several entities such as Comments, Footnotes, Text... + solution a) is to list all entities similar to attributes and check it by default + solution b) would be to know where search was started from and allow to "[ ] Search only in %1" + solution c) is to start the search command with a parameter like .uno:Search?where="comment" and allow to restrict the search to this entity only + b) and c) clutter less, a) is more flexible (but requires a check all/none option) => comment * Give alert for unsaved when sending document in email + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148469 + turn the logic and ask to save first (Heiko) + rather prompt for saving first (even when not needed) but with the option to send anyway without saving (Thomas) => go for it * Poor nomenclature for Manual Break + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148513 + prefer a simple solution, see comment 8 (Heiko) + propose more verbose solution, comment 14 (Seth) + consider LTR/RTL and better use Start/End (Eyal) + adding a preview thumbnail should be simple (Heiko) + good image might be a challenge (Eyal) => comment * Rework Sparklines's context menus + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148465 + for cells w/o sparklines, do not list sparkline commands at all (Heiko) or at least have only Insert Sparkline at the root level (Eyal) + in case of context being a sparkline it's not needed to Insert (but to Edit) + ideally we show/enable Ungroup only if we have a group and vice versa (Eyal) + consider the Notebookbars (Andreas) => do it * Rename "Left page border" and "right page border"... + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148593 * Rename "page text area top" and "page text area bottom"... + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148591 + "border" is wrong (Mike) + must not use "Margin" nor "Border", maybe "Page region left of page content area" (Regina) + rework the dialog "from ground", actually just move the "to:" dropdown at the second position to make it a sentence (Eyal) + if possible, the offset should be always available (and "From Left" could be removed then) + we have a great preview showing exactly what happens (Heiko) => no better proposal though OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
