Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Help dealing with this
Rainer Bielefeld wrote (25-04-12 07:47) I believe OfficeUser had a bad day when he wrote that lousy bad and incomplete report with wild speculations instead of reviewable facts. We should not attach great importance to that matter with the unfortunate subject line and wrong conclusion. I see the person is quite helpful in finding bugs too: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedemailreporter2=1emailtype2=substringlist_id=70531email2=big_nproduct=LibreOffice So must have been a sad mistake, I guess too. -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Help dealing with this
Hi Rainer, Kohei, Markus, Am 25.04.2012 07:47, schrieb Rainer Bielefeld: Kohei Yoshida schrieb: I think we could use some help dealing with an ugly personal attack disguised as a bug report. Hello Kohei, I believe OfficeUser had a bad day when he wrote that lousy bad and incomplete report with wild speculations instead of reviewable facts. We should not attach great importance to that matter with the unfortunate subject line and wrong conclusion. But when I'm reading this bug in the right way the bug report is a direct accusation and a slander to *one* of our (new) developers who makes good work. So the very least is that if OfficeUser had a bad day he had to say Sorry. Grüße k-j ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Help dealing with this
klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote So the very least is that if OfficeUser had a bad day he had to say Sorry. He already said Sorry and volunteered to change the summary in Comment number 4. In any case it was Markus himself who considered it was his fault in comment #6 and #8 here https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46230#c6 It was impolite of OfficeUser to stress that but it doesn't seem like a case to lose hope in a FOSS project Just my 2 (non-dev) cents ;) Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Help-dealing-with-this-tp3937235p3937501.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Help dealing with this
Pedro píše v St 25. 04. 2012 v 00:16 -0700: klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote So the very least is that if OfficeUser had a bad day he had to say Sorry. He already said Sorry and volunteered to change the summary in Comment number 4. Hmm, he said sorry but the very next comment was invalid and negative again. In any case it was Markus himself who considered it was his fault in comment #6 and #8 here https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46230#c6 This is not related. It was a Calc bug while the most problematic bug was about Impress. It was impolite of OfficeUser to stress that but it doesn't seem like a case to lose hope in a FOSS project I hope that Kohei and Markus will not give up because of few quarrelsome people. They do great job and are important for the project. Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Help dealing with this
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 23:24 -0400, Kohei Yoshida wrote: I think we could use some help dealing with an ugly personal attack disguised as a bug report. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49115 It's a bug reporter like this that makes me lose hope in a FOSS project such as this one. So - it's not particularly nice to try to blame someone; on the other hand possibly if the bug reporter has a suspicion it was related to something else that might be relevant I'd like to have that in the bug personally - even if it's wildly wrong. Prolly I'm missing some context. Having said that - really being blamed for things you didn't do is (IMHO) a sign of success ;-) it means that our breadth of community is reaching well into the lunatic fringe. The reality is that you guys are doing a simple excellent job in calc, and no random bug reporter is going to change your co-worker's impression of you there :-) So - I'd counsel relaxing, passing the bug report around to amuse a few friends, and seeing it as an unwanted symptom of success. Some of the personal flameage I get from time to time is really rather amusing ;-) try this for a recent, unsolicited, (anonymized) and heroic attempt to transfer blame: I have a bone to pick with LibreOffice. Not all of it is LibreOffice's fault, but there is enough blame to go around. ... This is definitely a very bad attitude towards LibreOffice. I think justifiably. The term when I have been harmed in this way is that LibreOffice is now anathema to me, cast aside in to the bin of broken software never to be used again. :-) And this wasn't even a document-data-loss bug; in fact there was no bug in LibreOffice at all here on investigation; just some silly user-error. Then again, you'd be amazed at the number of things I'm (apparently) personally responsible for ;- On a more positive note, I'm regularly impressed at how pleasant some people can be on the rare occasions (eg. before the fsync patch went in) that hours of data are lost through no fault of their own and they file bugs that are remarkably restrained. IMHO, the real fun is trying to win such people over and help turn them into advocates and/or QA people in time but ... that's a big ask I know. Hope that helps ! Keep up the good work Moggi, Kohei co. :-) ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Help dealing with this
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 23:24 -0400, Kohei Yoshida wrote: I think we could use some help dealing with an ugly personal attack disguised as a bug report. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49115 It's a bug reporter like this that makes me lose hope in a FOSS project such as this one. Please better feel the support from others who appreciate the well done job by the devs. Always see the positives, and forgive the negatives. Miguel Ángel. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Help dealing with this
Kohei Yoshida schrieb: I think we could use some help dealing with an ugly personal attack disguised as a bug report. Hello Kohei, I believe OfficeUser had a bad day when he wrote that lousy bad and incomplete report with wild speculations instead of reviewable facts. We should not attach great importance to that matter with the unfortunate subject line and wrong conclusion. Best regards Rainer ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
